End of round 6 and a pretty rough night..

[Guest guest]

After 3 1/2 days, I stopped my 6th dmsa round, 12.5mg, at 9PM last

night. I was looking forward to an uninterupted night of sleep.

I woke at 1:15AM with a damp chilly feeling and my mind was oddly

awake. I drank extra water, took some Ionic Fizz (magnesium blend),

added an extra blanket and brought over a portable space heater but I

still couldn't rid myself of the chill. I lay awake until 4AM when a

half of a Klonopin tablet I'd taken at 3:30 kicked in.

This same sleepless night sort-of-thing happened at the end of round 5

last week but I didn't put two and two together until now. It must be

the freed up metal in my system?

I think I'll end the round a bit earlier in the day next time and maybe

schedule a sauna near the time of the re-distribution, see if that

helps. Any other ideas appreciated.

~robin

[Guest guest]

> and maybe

> schedule a sauna near the time of the re-distribution, see if that

> helps. Any other ideas appreciated.

This is an interesting option Robin.

Have others used this method to calm redistribution?

A lot of people that I have met that are toxic on hair test seem to use

exercise to 'stay well'.

Sweating daily to rid metals.

But I always wonder how long it will last and when the crash will come for

that person.

It may keep the body well, but the metals keep moving towards the brain and

Central Nervous System.

Dean

[Guest guest]

First 4 months was a roller coaster in chelation. I started late

November..Right now its going good..see below for what i think has

helped in March

December dmsa was mostly bad, not real bad, just bad. I think poor

adrenals were making it worse. I ended up with a bad flu/cold a month

in on dmsa. I was on very low doses I believe 6 mgs

January saw , she prescribed dmps, bless her soul.

I had initial problems with it as I think it worked too well and i

became badly constipated. That is, AI page 206 First paragraph

says its a 5-2 ratio between fecal and urinary excretion

I ended up taking most of the remainder of January off from chelation

February was dmps (15 mgs evry 8 hours..But then i got carried away

and increasd the dosage too fast and big problems again...

I have found that a more continuous chealtion seems to work better

March has been pretty good. Biggest problem was a cold/bronchial

I am at 22.5 mgs evry 8 hours and have done 1 round of ALA at 3 mgs

IMPORTANT

Bad Symptoms on rounds have so far disappeared in last two weeks

and I think it has to do with 2 things I started this last round

A) castor oil packs 3-4 days on and 1 off

siberian ginseng I actually think this has treaked my adreanal

problem. I am walking 4 miles a day (have done for last 4 days);

after taking siberian ginseng (actually proper term is siberian

eleuthero) for past 6 days, I have a lot more energy...still a little

mentally deficient (cannot handle too many tasks)

Other things I think are helping

C) lymph support with trampolining, cleavers and red clover

and dry brushing (twice a week)

D) more magnesium, regular doses of vitamin C and psyllium (2-3 times

a day)

E) a more aggresive yeast treatment program of eliminating all

sugars, processed foods and more probiotics

I have found that if things aren't quite right on a round, my sleep

also sucks. What do I personally believe to be happening when things

are not quite right...

I)amount of dose is too high or

II) dose needs to be taken more often, and possibly cut

III) your bodies expulsion systems are getting the stuff out

ie bowels, lymphs are plugged up

IV) you have other body functional interferences going on which are

messed up by mercury being chelated (ie adrenals, yeast, serotonin

levels are low, etc etc..re the supplements that AI talks about being

necssary to maintain)

PS I take about 6 mgs of time released melatonin with my clonezpan

(klonoprin)

Keep the faith, you will find the sweet spot

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " robin "

wrote:

>

> After 3 1/2 days, I stopped my 6th dmsa round, 12.5mg, at 9PM last

> night. I was looking forward to an uninterupted night of sleep.

> This same sleepless night sort-of-thing happened at the end of

> round 5 last week but I didn't put two and two together until now.

> It must be the freed up metal in my system?

>

> I think I'll end the round a bit earlier in the day next time and

> maybe schedule a sauna near the time of the re-distribution, see

> if that helps. Any other ideas appreciated.

>

> ~robin

>

[Guest guest]

Its always interesting to read others chelation experiences.

I started in Jan with DMSA and couldn't handle the stuff. It really

made me ill -painful stomach especially. Now I am using ALA alone at low doses

6mg. I seem to do better while on the round and then worsen after the round has

finished -But keep going - maybe in a year or so we will be feeling better than

we have for a long time/ I have had CFS for over 20 years and am glad to have

found the answer at last -thanks to Andy's research.

I use Valerian for sleep by the way. Sometimes I can't sleep at all and feel

ghastly, at other times I want to sleep more than usual.

Kind regards in the UK.

> >

> > After 3 1/2 days, I stopped my 6th dmsa round, 12.5mg, at 9PM

last

> > night. I was looking forward to an uninterupted night of sleep.

>

> > This same sleepless night sort-of-thing happened at the end of

> > round 5 last week but I didn't put two and two together until

now.

> > It must be the freed up metal in my system?

> >

> > I think I'll end the round a bit earlier in the day next time and

> > maybe schedule a sauna near the time of the re-distribution, see

> > if that helps. Any other ideas appreciated.

> >

> > ~robin

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

In my last post (about a week ago), I asked for some feedback about

end of round issues and wondered in that post if adding fiber (apple

pectin or sodium alginate from " seaweed " might help. Not a single

reply. DMSA and DMPS create compounds that bind and excrete Hg through

kidney/urine, but when we are not chelating how does the body eliminate

HG? Through respiration (breathing) prespiration (sweat) and

liver/bile. So I think adding apple pectin toward the end of a round

could not hurt, though I have no proof for my hypothesis that it would

help to limit redistribution. My MD likes the alginate products for the

same purpose, binding heavy metals in the gut.

From 's reply to your post

> psyllium (2-3 times

> a day)

> E) a more aggresive yeast treatment program of eliminating all

> sugars, processed foods and more probiotics.

What finally got me over my fear of chelating (DMPS 12.5 mg x every 8

hours 7 days on 7 days off, now on 2nd round), was a terrible month of

very intense redistribution symptoms when I had a GI bug in January and

early February that wreaked havoc with my regular " two a days " .

cites many co-therapies that he is using to help the between

rounds symptoms and it is not surprising to me that probiotics and

intestinal fiber are a big part of the solution.

I want to post soon about certain odd stuff going on during my chelation

rounds. Will do so tonight I hope.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

In my last post (about a week ago), I asked for some feedback about

end of round issues and wondered in that post if adding fiber (apple

pectin or sodium alginate from " seaweed " might help. Not a single

reply. DMSA and DMPS create compounds that bind and excrete Hg through

kidney/urine, but when we are not chelating how does the body eliminate

HG? Through respiration (breathing) prespiration (sweat) and

liver/bile. So I think adding apple pectin toward the end of a round

could not hurt, though I have no proof for my hypothesis that it would

help to limit redistribution. My MD likes the alginate products for the

same purpose, binding heavy metals in the gut.

From 's reply to your post

> psyllium (2-3 times

> a day)

> E) a more aggresive yeast treatment program of eliminating all

> sugars, processed foods and more probiotics.

What finally got me over my fear of chelating (DMPS 12.5 mg x every 8

hours 7 days on 7 days off, now on 2nd round), was a terrible month of

very intense redistribution symptoms when I had a GI bug in January and

early February that wreaked havoc with my regular " two a days " .

cites many co-therapies that he is using to help the between

rounds symptoms and it is not surprising to me that probiotics and

intestinal fiber are a big part of the solution.

I want to post soon about certain odd stuff going on during my chelation

rounds. Will do so tonight I hope.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

In my last post (about a week ago), I asked for some feedback about

end of round issues and wondered in that post if adding fiber (apple

pectin or sodium alginate from " seaweed " might help. Not a single

reply. DMSA and DMPS create compounds that bind and excrete Hg through

kidney/urine, but when we are not chelating how does the body eliminate

HG? Through respiration (breathing) prespiration (sweat) and

liver/bile. So I think adding apple pectin toward the end of a round

could not hurt, though I have no proof for my hypothesis that it would

help to limit redistribution. My MD likes the alginate products for the

same purpose, binding heavy metals in the gut.

From 's reply to your post

> psyllium (2-3 times

> a day)

> E) a more aggresive yeast treatment program of eliminating all

> sugars, processed foods and more probiotics.

What finally got me over my fear of chelating (DMPS 12.5 mg x every 8

hours 7 days on 7 days off, now on 2nd round), was a terrible month of

very intense redistribution symptoms when I had a GI bug in January and

early February that wreaked havoc with my regular " two a days " .

cites many co-therapies that he is using to help the between

rounds symptoms and it is not surprising to me that probiotics and

intestinal fiber are a big part of the solution.

I want to post soon about certain odd stuff going on during my chelation

rounds. Will do so tonight I hope.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C - lots and lots. Particularly at the end of rounds.

Also, since it's at night time, you can use melatonin, which is a brain

anti-oxidant.

Dave.

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grainwrecked http://profiles.yahoo.com/grainwrecked>

Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:39 pm (PDT)

After 3 1/2 days, I stopped my 6th dmsa round, 12.5mg, at 9PM last

night. I was looking forward to an uninterupted night of sleep.

I woke at 1:15AM with a damp chilly feeling and my mind was oddly

awake. I drank extra water, took some Ionic Fizz (magnesium blend),

added an extra blanket and brought over a portable space heater but I

still couldn't rid myself of the chill. I lay awake until 4AM when a

half of a Klonopin tablet I'd taken at 3:30 kicked in.

This same sleepless night sort-of-thing happened at the end of round 5

last week but I didn't put two and two together until now. It must be

the freed up metal in my system?

I think I'll end the round a bit earlier in the day next time and maybe

schedule a sauna near the time of the re-distribution, see if that

helps. Any other ideas appreciated.

~robin

[Guest guest]

Vitamin C - lots and lots. Particularly at the end of rounds.

Also, since it's at night time, you can use melatonin, which is a brain

anti-oxidant.

Dave.

Posted by: " robin " grainwreck@...

grainwreck@...?Subject=%20Re%3AEnd%20of%20round%206%20and%20a%20pr\

etty%20rough%20night%2E%2E>

grainwrecked http://profiles.yahoo.com/grainwrecked>

Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:39 pm (PDT)

After 3 1/2 days, I stopped my 6th dmsa round, 12.5mg, at 9PM last

night. I was looking forward to an uninterupted night of sleep.

I woke at 1:15AM with a damp chilly feeling and my mind was oddly

awake. I drank extra water, took some Ionic Fizz (magnesium blend),

added an extra blanket and brought over a portable space heater but I

still couldn't rid myself of the chill. I lay awake until 4AM when a

half of a Klonopin tablet I'd taken at 3:30 kicked in.

This same sleepless night sort-of-thing happened at the end of round 5

last week but I didn't put two and two together until now. It must be

the freed up metal in my system?

I think I'll end the round a bit earlier in the day next time and maybe

schedule a sauna near the time of the re-distribution, see if that

helps. Any other ideas appreciated.

~robin

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Robin,

> In my last post (about a week ago), I asked for some feedback about

> end of round issues and wondered in that post if adding fiber (apple

> pectin or sodium alginate from " seaweed " might help. Not a single

> reply.

I replied.

Seaweed might be contaminated with things that are found in the sea -

like heavy metals. There is also the possibility of being a high

sulfur food.

> DMSA and DMPS create compounds that bind and excrete Hg through

> kidney/urine, but when we are not chelating how does the body eliminate

> HG? Through respiration (breathing) prespiration (sweat) and

> liver/bile. So I think adding apple pectin toward the end of a round

> could not hurt, though I have no proof for my hypothesis that it would

> help to limit redistribution. My MD likes the alginate products for

the

> same purpose, binding heavy metals in the gut.

There is no need for special products. Fiber just keeps things

moving, and it makes tons of sense to take in as much fiber as

possible. That can come from food, like fruits and vegetables.

I think that there are problems with alginate products. If anyone is

interested they could search the archives of chelation groups.

> From 's reply to your post

> > psyllium (2-3 times

> > a day)

> > E) a more aggresive yeast treatment program of eliminating all

> > sugars, processed foods and more probiotics.

> What finally got me over my fear of chelating (DMPS 12.5 mg x every 8

> hours 7 days on 7 days off, now on 2nd round), was a terrible month of

> very intense redistribution symptoms when I had a GI bug in January and

> early February that wreaked havoc with my regular " two a days " .

> cites many co-therapies that he is using to help the between

> rounds symptoms and

>it is not surprising to me that probiotics and

> intestinal fiber are a big part of the solution.

>

Yes, yes, yes. TONS of probiotics and fiber. And don't forget water too,

J

> I want to post soon about certain odd stuff going on during my

chelation

> rounds. Will do so tonight I hope.

>

> Doug

>