reactive, leaky gut and DMSA

[Guest guest]

I have developed leaky gut I believe from mercury (with adrenal

fatigue and 's) and now react to a large number of foods. That

list now includes DMSA (fever chills rash). I am on no thrroid meds

but am taking cortef 15 mg/daily.

Has anyone overcome this problem? I would like to continue regular

rounds using both ALA and DMSA but the reactions are too strong.

[Guest guest]

I had similar problems with DMSA in the beginning but lowered the

dose and am fine. Doing better on than off the rounds even...

I also had similar leaky gut experiences with IgG food allergies,

candida, parasites and constipation. I worked hard to clear all that

up, in my case, before starting chelation. I was worried about my

body's ability to eliminate waste because, at the time, I was only

aware of the horrible DMPS/EDTA protocol doctors were doing, was

terrified that it might kill me (and for good reason as it turns out.)

One of the first things I did for the leakygut/absorption/elimination

problem was to eliminate gluten and dairy. Many people are gluten

intolerant so that almost always helps with allergies -- even if

you're not a " true " celiac with the genes/biopsy and all that like I

am.

I agree with Dean about the IgG foods test. Key move! Eliminating

those foods was the next step for me to stop the inflammation in my

gut. I'm pretty sure that IgG tends to be temporary or " changing "

compared to IgE and IgA allergens and so it's often tied to foods

you're currently eating and least suspect: Mine were things I ate

often or really liked like garlic, almonds, eggs, sugar cane, papaya,

pineapple, zuchini.

I say this because, as I think Dean mentions, you want a test that

has a decent turn-around time so the foods are as current and

therefore accurate as possible. I used York Labs ($300, 4 years ago)

and it took a little over two months to get the results. Long time!

There are others to choose from, don't know the names off-hand, so

shop around. I think you want to get the test for a lot of foods --

it's like 96 or so?

I also agree with good probiotic supplementation for treating these

crazy allergies. But I'd recommend staying away from bifido bacteria

and probiotics made from homeostatic soil organisms (like Primal

Defense.) This is just my opinion others may differ..

For reestablishing good bacteria, one of my routines for years has

been, first or second thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, have

a few big tablespoons of homemade kefir (I make it from coconut milk)

to which I add one packet of VSL3 probiotic powder. It seems to get

the organisms " woken up " or maybe it's just my imagination. It's

expensive but, at one packet a day, I justify it because AFAIK it's

one of the only probiotics to have been tested for live organisms and

my sense is that they work well. Obviously there are other good

choices.

There's a Yahoo group called microbialnutrition where you can learn

about many other natural probiotic foods, how to make them. They're

quite easy and lots. Many of the ferments have a lot of fiber in them

too and so that helps with elimination too. I hear people

recommending fiber supplements but they have never worked for me

personally. I just make sure to eat about 5 cups of fresh steamed

green vegetables a day. Any of the ferments can take their place as

they have a lot of fiber plus all the vitamins and enzymes.

I think, as much as possible, it's useful and productive to use whole

foods for the major source of vitamins, minerals and such. I went

through a period of having drawers full of supplements, I think I was

always looking for the magic pill, the magic bullet, and it finally

got so depressing. Now I research thoroughly, set long-term goals,

experiment a bit along the way but try not to do everything at once.

Mix and match..

For keeping my candida yeast under control I also, first thing in the

morning, take a quarter teaspoon of Nystatin powder mixed in a large

glass of water. (If you have a big problem with Candida, be careful

as this might make your stomach kind of queasy, due to fungal die-

off.) Ideally you want to go on a candida type diet -- no

sugars/starches -- for 6 months before attempting any of the

antifungals.. Then start slowly, adding in carefully..

I had a huge mold/yeast/parasite problem and by a strict starch/sugar-

free diet followed by routine maintenence with different antifungals

(and a stint with a parasite medicine called Alinea,) my bowels work

like a charm now. I also had to take an antibiotic, for a specific

klebsiella bacteria i think it was called. That was over 2 years ago

now.

After every treatment, another challenge would emerge; I finally felt

like I was peeling an onion. The trick was to not do anything

drastic, sort of work it all at the same time. I firmly believe that

toxic metals and, of course, the celiac issues, have always been at

the core of my problem. But the others had to be cleared up along the

way...

If I would have known about this safe gentler method for chelating

metals, I would have included it long ago in my over-all protocol.

Finally, I've learned, as many in the group, that patience and single-

mindedness achieve the goal.

~robin

[Guest guest]

I had similar problems with DMSA in the beginning but lowered the

dose and am fine. Doing better on than off the rounds even...

I also had similar leaky gut experiences with IgG food allergies,

candida, parasites and constipation. I worked hard to clear all that

up, in my case, before starting chelation. I was worried about my

body's ability to eliminate waste because, at the time, I was only

aware of the horrible DMPS/EDTA protocol doctors were doing, was

terrified that it might kill me (and for good reason as it turns out.)

One of the first things I did for the leakygut/absorption/elimination

problem was to eliminate gluten and dairy. Many people are gluten

intolerant so that almost always helps with allergies -- even if

you're not a " true " celiac with the genes/biopsy and all that like I

am.

I agree with Dean about the IgG foods test. Key move! Eliminating

those foods was the next step for me to stop the inflammation in my

gut. I'm pretty sure that IgG tends to be temporary or " changing "

compared to IgE and IgA allergens and so it's often tied to foods

you're currently eating and least suspect: Mine were things I ate

often or really liked like garlic, almonds, eggs, sugar cane, papaya,

pineapple, zuchini.

I say this because, as I think Dean mentions, you want a test that

has a decent turn-around time so the foods are as current and

therefore accurate as possible. I used York Labs ($300, 4 years ago)

and it took a little over two months to get the results. Long time!

There are others to choose from, don't know the names off-hand, so

shop around. I think you want to get the test for a lot of foods --

it's like 96 or so?

I also agree with good probiotic supplementation for treating these

crazy allergies. But I'd recommend staying away from bifido bacteria

and probiotics made from homeostatic soil organisms (like Primal

Defense.) This is just my opinion others may differ..

For reestablishing good bacteria, one of my routines for years has

been, first or second thing in the morning, on an empty stomach, have

a few big tablespoons of homemade kefir (I make it from coconut milk)

to which I add one packet of VSL3 probiotic powder. It seems to get

the organisms " woken up " or maybe it's just my imagination. It's

expensive but, at one packet a day, I justify it because AFAIK it's

one of the only probiotics to have been tested for live organisms and

my sense is that they work well. Obviously there are other good

choices.

There's a Yahoo group called microbialnutrition where you can learn

about many other natural probiotic foods, how to make them. They're

quite easy and lots. Many of the ferments have a lot of fiber in them

too and so that helps with elimination too. I hear people

recommending fiber supplements but they have never worked for me

personally. I just make sure to eat about 5 cups of fresh steamed

green vegetables a day. Any of the ferments can take their place as

they have a lot of fiber plus all the vitamins and enzymes.

I think, as much as possible, it's useful and productive to use whole

foods for the major source of vitamins, minerals and such. I went

through a period of having drawers full of supplements, I think I was

always looking for the magic pill, the magic bullet, and it finally

got so depressing. Now I research thoroughly, set long-term goals,

experiment a bit along the way but try not to do everything at once.

Mix and match..

For keeping my candida yeast under control I also, first thing in the

morning, take a quarter teaspoon of Nystatin powder mixed in a large

glass of water. (If you have a big problem with Candida, be careful

as this might make your stomach kind of queasy, due to fungal die-

off.) Ideally you want to go on a candida type diet -- no

sugars/starches -- for 6 months before attempting any of the

antifungals.. Then start slowly, adding in carefully..

I had a huge mold/yeast/parasite problem and by a strict starch/sugar-

free diet followed by routine maintenence with different antifungals

(and a stint with a parasite medicine called Alinea,) my bowels work

like a charm now. I also had to take an antibiotic, for a specific

klebsiella bacteria i think it was called. That was over 2 years ago

now.

After every treatment, another challenge would emerge; I finally felt

like I was peeling an onion. The trick was to not do anything

drastic, sort of work it all at the same time. I firmly believe that

toxic metals and, of course, the celiac issues, have always been at

the core of my problem. But the others had to be cleared up along the

way...

If I would have known about this safe gentler method for chelating

metals, I would have included it long ago in my over-all protocol.

Finally, I've learned, as many in the group, that patience and single-

mindedness achieve the goal.

~robin