Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 HI Mo. Actually I don't see any severe adrenal problems, though I do note that you are on the lower side of the range except at midnight. Are you having any symptoms which are profoundly adrenal related? Have you tried the pupil test? What about thyroid tests? What you need are the free T3 and free T4. Janie > I am Mo and this list has been recommended to me today. I am at the very > beginning stages of looking into the possibility that I am hypoadrenalic (if > that's the right word!) and hypothyroid. I have been assessed as such on > clinical signs and the first test I have done has come back today, the adrenal > profile. The figures are below. > I am hoping this group will be able to give me some feedback on these > figures to enable me to understand and maybe some tips about supplementation. > > > Salivary cortisol > 8.00 10.2 6.0 to 33.0 > noon 11.2 4.0 to 28.0 (this one was actually taken > at 1.30 pm) > 4.00 6.1 4.0 to 11.8 > midnight 5.0 1.0 to 5.0 > > DHEA > 8.00 8.2 4.0 to 29.0 > noon 7.1 2.5 to 13.0 > 4 pm 4.6 2.0 to 6.0 > midnight 3.4 1.0 to 4.0 > > Comments: > Salivary cortisol relatively flat profile with values tending towards the > lower end of reference range (particularly early morning) > > DHEA: overall profile indicates normal hormone output. > > Not at all sure what this means apart from that my DHEA seems to be OK. > > Any insights would be welcome. Thanks. > > > Mo > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 > I do not think the DHEA was Normal - it was LOW ...and low DHEA is an indicator of low adrenal function. Except in other cases like me. My adrenals are not low functioning, yet I have low DHEA. Go figure. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 > I do not think the DHEA was Normal - it was LOW ...and low DHEA is an indicator of low adrenal function. Except in other cases like me. My adrenals are not low functioning, yet I have low DHEA. Go figure. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 > I do not think the DHEA was Normal - it was LOW ...and low DHEA is an indicator of low adrenal function. Except in other cases like me. My adrenals are not low functioning, yet I have low DHEA. Go figure. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 > and DHEA also goes low with age..as in over 50. > Cindi I am only 33. grin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Dear Mo, This type of adrenal profile is very common in adrenal fatigue. In the morning the adrenals have to make double the output of cortisol and higher levels of other hormones than what is needed for the rest of the day. The typical healthy adrenal function is cyclic in the day. In the morning, one hour after getting up, adrenal output peaks at the double level of the rest of the day. Then as the day progresses cortisol output from the adrenals slowly declines with small peaks and valleys inbetween. But the general trend is down from the morning to about 1:00 to 3:00 a.m. where the output of cortisol is at it's lowest point of the day. And then it all starts over again. In adrenal fatigue, it is often hard for the adrenals to muster the demands of the morning and then in the rest of the day, they can do alright. Some have an afternoon low and some may have a drop or rise at 1:00 to 3:00 in the morning that will wake them. This type of adrenal fatigue is usually cured with time by proper thyroid treatment. Adrenal size, storage capacity and function is controlled by a large measure by the amount of circulating thyroid hormone. Thyroid is what stimulates the gland, along with excercise and activity. So, if hypothyroidism has been around for some time, the adrenals will become weak and will loose storage capacity for hormones for stress, excercise and illness. The heatlhy adrenals store about 3 weeks worth of hormone for stress, excercise and illness, which can double the demands for cortiosne in a short period. When a person has been hypothyroid for some time, the gland no longer has enough stores of hormones for stress and the person becomes limited in their capacity for it. The adrenals take quite some time to recover once the thyroid dose is established at a level that is sufficient. They can take up to 4 months to 2 years. It is essential that thyroid replacement be sufficient or the adrenals will never work properly and be large enough for proper stress handling. http://thyroid.about.com/library/derry/bl11.htm DHEA is another story. It seems to me from all the posts that come into this site, that most people with adrenal fatigue either have high or low DHEA. I had terrible adrenal fatigue and had normal DHEA much like yours. So, DHEA is not a good indicator, in my book, of adrenal fatigue. But, if DHEA is too low, then it can interfere with adrenal and hormone production. Countless regular doctors today undermedicate for thyroid. So, the best thing is to monitor your thyroid function yourself to make sure you are getting proper treatment. Here are some pages on this: http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp http://www.thyrophoenix.com/self_monitor.htm http://www.alternate-health.com/thyroid.html Also, most doctors today only prescribe synthetic thyroid replacement. This can be inadequate and leave people with many symptoms. There are other choices you should be aware of: http://personal.bellsouth.net/w/u/wurmstei/ There are some things you can do to help yur adrenals do their job a recover: - Start to learn how to control and eliminate stress. Do controlled relaxation, meditation or some relaxation technique. This has been found to really lower the daily demands for adrenal hormones. - Don't do too strenuous of excercise. Better break it up into short sessions two or three times a day. 10 minute excercise sessions with a break between is very good. But some people can get away with 20 minute excercise that is not too strenuous. - Eat many small healthy meals or snacks in the day. Do not let yourself go hungry. This requires a lot of cortisol and other hormones from the adrenals to get glucose up if you don't eat. - Avoid sugar, simple carbohydrates and more than 2 pieces fo fruit a day. Sugar and simple carbos are a big adrenal stressor. Some say avoid coffee, colas with sugar and caffiene. But, one cup of coffee a day is not seen as harmful by some doctors. - Eat more goo quality protein (not soy). Adrenal fatigue causes wasting of muscle and protien. It causes a catabolic state. Protien needs to be replaced. - Try to get a minimum of 8 hours sleep a night. This can be very difficult in adrenal fatigue. It can cause you to loose your circadian rythem and not be able to sleep. Many specialists in adrenal fatigue say you really need 9 hours sleep to recover. - Don't stay up too late. Go to bed at 10:00 or earlier. Be sure to go to bed when you are tired and ready. - consider the following supplements: - Vitamin C, 4000 mg a day. The adrenals have the highest need of vitamin C of any organ. - Vitamin B5, 1000 mg a day. This is the parent material from which cortisol is made. - There are many herbs that can help the adrenals,- gensing, Ashwaghanda, Bipleurium, and others. Maybe people here will list others. - Make sure you have a very nutritious diet with good fats, like real butter, coconut oil omega-3 fatty acids. The adrenals are made up of 40% fat. I'm sure there are many more things you can do. The biggies are stress, good diet and sleep. If your symptoms are very bad and affecting your work and life significantly, then you can consider adrenal support in the form of an adrenal glandular or adrenal cortex extract or prescription cortef or prednisone. But, these have real drawbacks. It's better to figure out how to cure your problem than medicate it this way. Good luck. Tish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Tish, what was that salary amount you told me I had to pay to keep you here?? grinning. Great post. Janie > Dear Mo, > This type of adrenal profile is very common in adrenal fatigue. In > the morning the adrenals have to make double the output of cortisol > and higher levels of other hormones than what is needed for the rest > of the day. The typical healthy adrenal function is cyclic in the > day. In the morning, one hour after getting up, adrenal output peaks > at the double level of the rest of the day. Then as the day > progresses cortisol output from the adrenals slowly declines with > small peaks and valleys inbetween. But the general trend is down > from the morning to about 1:00 to 3:00 a.m. where the output of > cortisol is at it's lowest point of the day. And then it all starts > over again. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 how ever much it was, it isn't enough Great post Tish, I was hoping you would answer because you always go into such detail. Lynda (in the UK) Tish, what was that salary amount you told me I had to pay to keep you here?? grinning. Great post. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 > > I am only 33. And I have the body of Madonna, the intellect of Einstein, two corvettes in our garage, and several mountain homes in the Swiss Alps......... > > > > okay. > cindi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 > > I am only 33. And I have the body of Madonna, the intellect of Einstein, two corvettes in our garage, and several mountain homes in the Swiss Alps......... > > > > okay. > cindi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... Artistic Grooming Hurricane, West Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... Artistic Grooming Hurricane, West Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... Artistic Grooming Hurricane, West Virginia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 thanks for my laugh of the day Lynda (in the UK) ----- Original Message ----- From: Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 In a message dated 3/10/2005 3:50:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: > Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the > mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... > OH - is that what i saw on the horizon? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 In a message dated 3/10/2005 3:50:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: > Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the > mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... > OH - is that what i saw on the horizon? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 In a message dated 3/10/2005 3:50:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: > Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the > mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... > OH - is that what i saw on the horizon? cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 >Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... Me?? Me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 >Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... Me?? Me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 >Yes she OD'd on the chocolate and I think I see her nose tipping over the mountains here in WV!!! Mz Pinochio.... Me?? Me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 > > Do you think using pecans instead would help, according to the info I > have pecans are moderate sals and almonds are very high. I need to > supply some kind of biscuit to her school each day for snack as that is > all she will eat. > > Best wishes - Sue Sue, I do much better with pecans although I douse almonds sometimes. pecans make lovely baked goods, meat extenders, csrusts etc. Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 > > Do you think using pecans instead would help, according to the info I > have pecans are moderate sals and almonds are very high. I need to > supply some kind of biscuit to her school each day for snack as that is > all she will eat. > > Best wishes - Sue Sue, I do much better with pecans although I douse almonds sometimes. pecans make lovely baked goods, meat extenders, csrusts etc. Carol F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 > > Sue, > > Yes, you could make the recipe using a lower salicylate nut like > pecans or even a mixture of two nuts like pecans and macadamias. > > > Jody > mom to -7 and -9 > SCD 1/03 > Hi again Jody I have replaced almonds with pecans in biscuit recipe and have a much happier girl. Thanks for you help - Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 " I have replaced almonds with pecans in biscuit recipe and have a much happier girl. " Oh GOOD! I'm glad to hear it. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 " I have replaced almonds with pecans in biscuit recipe and have a much happier girl. " Oh GOOD! I'm glad to hear it. Jody mom to -7 and -9 SCD 1/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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