Re: big problems here. need help. please.

[Guest guest]

Robin,

Any chance it could be relux. I believe Andy says that that can

increase with I believe DMSA/ALA they are acids. I know my reflux got

worse for a bit, better and now this round has presented itself again.

Just a thought. Not real confident it is this...

Colette

> Not sure why I don't get answers to these specific questions here; if

> it's because nobody knows the answer, fine, it's just that I don't

> know if you don't know or it slipped under the rug or what.

>

> Is there somewhere else I should ask??

>

> thank you in advance, ~robin

>

> PS BTW I went through NAET for years and it helped a lot.... the MCS

> I developed over the years seems directly related to the massive

> amounts of mercury and arsenic (I moved to New Mexico where Arsenic

> is everywhere...) I also have Lead, aluminum, thallium..

>

[Guest guest]

It takes time for replies to post to this group because they go

through the moderator first I believe. I emailed you in case it took

to long for this to post.

Low BP and chest pain, fatigue are adrenal signs. Adrenals can really

take a beating with chelation especially if they are already bad. Most

mercury toxic people have low adrenal function. My mother complained

of chest, esophagus pain for months after removing two amalgams. The

doctors could find nothing wrong with her. I suggested she use adrenal

cortex because I could tell her adrenals were shot. the problem went

away. I note that if I do not take my adrenal support daily, I will

get a return in symptoms: discomfort, tightness in chest, fatigue, low

bps..etc.

You may want to visit: www.stopthethyroidmadness.com for information

on thyriod/adrenals and what to do about them. Chelation can be very

uncomfortable if these glands are not working right.

>

> I posted " round 10 having problems.. esophageal " and have received no

> answers.

>

> I'm still in constant discomfort bordering on solid pain. I went to

> acupuncture today and pulses were extremely thin, low chi.. treatment

> didn't help the tightness but my chi came up. I'm pretty exhausted

> and even though I've searched, I can't find any help.

>

> As I said in the post of this morning, I have been at 12.5 DMSA every

> 3-4 around the clock, 3 days on 4 days off. This time I added 12.5

> ALA. Felt fine at first, better even but since last night I have

> solid chest pain that will sometimes creep into my esophagus

> (although that's better since the acupuncture)

>

> My round will end tomorrow morning at which time I have a giant

> vitamin c push, meyers, to help with redistribution.

>

> If my relentless chest pain is caused by excess mercury being

> mobilized then I don;t see why I should stop as it will only get

> worse before better and, as I say, I have the vitamin c tomorrow to

> coincide.

>

> I don't have have any dizziness or mood weirdness or any other usual

> symptoms I get from taking maybe too much chelator so I doubt it's

> that. But I am in pain and exhausted from it all.and don't know what

> to do. I am not functioning except to lie down and maybe read.

>

> As I mentioned in the other post I had some ideas and would love your

> thoughts. I've been taking extra C, NAC (which normally helps) and

> magnesium. No help.

>

> Not sure why I don't get answers to these specific questions here; if

> it's because nobody knows the answer, fine, it's just that I don't

> know if you don't know or it slipped under the rug or what.

>

> Is there somewhere else I should ask??

>

> thank you in advance, ~robin

>

> PS BTW I went through NAET for years and it helped a lot.... the MCS

> I developed over the years seems directly related to the massive

> amounts of mercury and arsenic (I moved to New Mexico where Arsenic

> is everywhere...) I also have Lead, aluminum, thallium..

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation robin wrote:

I posted " round 10 having problems.. esophageal " and have received no

answers.

--------Sorry Robin, I don't always know the answers, and everyone isn't

always reading everyday, so it's hit or miss sometimes!--------Jackie

I'm still in constant discomfort bordering on solid pain. I went to

acupuncture today and pulses were extremely thin, low chi.. treatment

didn't help the tightness but my chi came up. I'm pretty exhausted

and even though I've searched, I can't find any help.

As I said in the post of this morning, I have been at 12.5 DMSA every

3-4 around the clock, 3 days on 4 days off. This time I added 12.5

ALA. Felt fine at first, better even but since last night I have

solid chest pain that will sometimes creep into my esophagus

(although that's better since the acupuncture)

---------I have very little personal experience with ALA, but from what I

have, I believe it is a very powerful chelator. And if I remember right, you're

not that many months since amalgam removal, right? It may just be too soon for

you to use ALA, or at that dosage, or for a full round. I think I would suggest

dropping the ALA and finish the round with just DMSA.--------Jackie

My round will end tomorrow morning at which time I have a giant

vitamin c push, meyers, to help with redistribution.

If my relentless chest pain is caused by excess mercury being

mobilized then I don;t see why I should stop as it will only get

worse before better and, as I say, I have the vitamin c tomorrow to

coincide.

---------Only you can determine what are bearable symptoms, but this sounds

rather extreme to me, and personally I would drop the ALA for now. And like you

said, hopefully the IV Vit C tomorrow will help.---------Jackie

I don't have have any dizziness or mood weirdness or any other usual

symptoms I get from taking maybe too much chelator so I doubt it's

that. But I am in pain and exhausted from it all.and don't know what

to do. I am not functioning except to lie down and maybe read.

-----------I believe people would tell you that they probably get different

symptoms from ALA than the other chelators. 6mg of ALA totally knocked me flat.

Totally exhausted and I couldn't stay awake. Nonfunctional. Haven't tried it

again. It may just be too soon since amalgam removal for you to use it, this

seems to vary alot by person, and do remember, you've been under alot of stress

lately, and I really believe this plays a big role in tolerating chelation also.

So probably not a good time to be experimenting with ALA. JMO.-------Jackie

As I mentioned in the other post I had some ideas and would love your

thoughts. I've been taking extra C, NAC (which normally helps) and

magnesium. No help.

-----------Extra C is always worth trying. Maybe E too? C, E, zinc, and

magnesium, I think are Andy's top four. You and Jada already discussed milk

thistle. Maybe Alka Seltzer Gold? Sometimes I try that, when I don't know what

to do or try.--------Jackie

Not sure why I don't get answers to these specific questions here; if

it's because nobody knows the answer, fine, it's just that I don't

know if you don't know or it slipped under the rug or what.

-----------Sometimes we don't know the answers, or aren't sure, or haven't

experienced it ourselves, so don't know what to suggest. And I haven't noticed

or or others posting today, so maybe help is still on the way?

Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you

And people seem to report a huge variety of symptoms during chelation, and I

just don't know if there's an answer for all of them. But my general rule of

thumb is, if they seem too bad, then stop the round, or in this case, drop the

ALA. I just don't think it pays to be too miserable. I think it's best to find

the dose of chelator that you can chelate at comfortably.---------Jackie

Is there somewhere else I should ask??

thank you in advance, ~robin

PS BTW I went through NAET for years and it helped a lot.... the MCS

I developed over the years seems directly related to the massive

amounts of mercury and arsenic (I moved to New Mexico where Arsenic

is everywhere...) I also have Lead, aluminum, thallium..

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation robin wrote:

I posted " round 10 having problems.. esophageal " and have received no

answers.

--------Sorry Robin, I don't always know the answers, and everyone isn't

always reading everyday, so it's hit or miss sometimes!--------Jackie

I'm still in constant discomfort bordering on solid pain. I went to

acupuncture today and pulses were extremely thin, low chi.. treatment

didn't help the tightness but my chi came up. I'm pretty exhausted

and even though I've searched, I can't find any help.

As I said in the post of this morning, I have been at 12.5 DMSA every

3-4 around the clock, 3 days on 4 days off. This time I added 12.5

ALA. Felt fine at first, better even but since last night I have

solid chest pain that will sometimes creep into my esophagus

(although that's better since the acupuncture)

---------I have very little personal experience with ALA, but from what I

have, I believe it is a very powerful chelator. And if I remember right, you're

not that many months since amalgam removal, right? It may just be too soon for

you to use ALA, or at that dosage, or for a full round. I think I would suggest

dropping the ALA and finish the round with just DMSA.--------Jackie

My round will end tomorrow morning at which time I have a giant

vitamin c push, meyers, to help with redistribution.

If my relentless chest pain is caused by excess mercury being

mobilized then I don;t see why I should stop as it will only get

worse before better and, as I say, I have the vitamin c tomorrow to

coincide.

---------Only you can determine what are bearable symptoms, but this sounds

rather extreme to me, and personally I would drop the ALA for now. And like you

said, hopefully the IV Vit C tomorrow will help.---------Jackie

I don't have have any dizziness or mood weirdness or any other usual

symptoms I get from taking maybe too much chelator so I doubt it's

that. But I am in pain and exhausted from it all.and don't know what

to do. I am not functioning except to lie down and maybe read.

-----------I believe people would tell you that they probably get different

symptoms from ALA than the other chelators. 6mg of ALA totally knocked me flat.

Totally exhausted and I couldn't stay awake. Nonfunctional. Haven't tried it

again. It may just be too soon since amalgam removal for you to use it, this

seems to vary alot by person, and do remember, you've been under alot of stress

lately, and I really believe this plays a big role in tolerating chelation also.

So probably not a good time to be experimenting with ALA. JMO.-------Jackie

As I mentioned in the other post I had some ideas and would love your

thoughts. I've been taking extra C, NAC (which normally helps) and

magnesium. No help.

-----------Extra C is always worth trying. Maybe E too? C, E, zinc, and

magnesium, I think are Andy's top four. You and Jada already discussed milk

thistle. Maybe Alka Seltzer Gold? Sometimes I try that, when I don't know what

to do or try.--------Jackie

Not sure why I don't get answers to these specific questions here; if

it's because nobody knows the answer, fine, it's just that I don't

know if you don't know or it slipped under the rug or what.

-----------Sometimes we don't know the answers, or aren't sure, or haven't

experienced it ourselves, so don't know what to suggest. And I haven't noticed

or or others posting today, so maybe help is still on the way?

Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you

And people seem to report a huge variety of symptoms during chelation, and I

just don't know if there's an answer for all of them. But my general rule of

thumb is, if they seem too bad, then stop the round, or in this case, drop the

ALA. I just don't think it pays to be too miserable. I think it's best to find

the dose of chelator that you can chelate at comfortably.---------Jackie

Is there somewhere else I should ask??

thank you in advance, ~robin

PS BTW I went through NAET for years and it helped a lot.... the MCS

I developed over the years seems directly related to the massive

amounts of mercury and arsenic (I moved to New Mexico where Arsenic

is everywhere...) I also have Lead, aluminum, thallium..

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation robin wrote:

I posted " round 10 having problems.. esophageal " and have received no

answers.

--------Sorry Robin, I don't always know the answers, and everyone isn't

always reading everyday, so it's hit or miss sometimes!--------Jackie

I'm still in constant discomfort bordering on solid pain. I went to

acupuncture today and pulses were extremely thin, low chi.. treatment

didn't help the tightness but my chi came up. I'm pretty exhausted

and even though I've searched, I can't find any help.

As I said in the post of this morning, I have been at 12.5 DMSA every

3-4 around the clock, 3 days on 4 days off. This time I added 12.5

ALA. Felt fine at first, better even but since last night I have

solid chest pain that will sometimes creep into my esophagus

(although that's better since the acupuncture)

---------I have very little personal experience with ALA, but from what I

have, I believe it is a very powerful chelator. And if I remember right, you're

not that many months since amalgam removal, right? It may just be too soon for

you to use ALA, or at that dosage, or for a full round. I think I would suggest

dropping the ALA and finish the round with just DMSA.--------Jackie

My round will end tomorrow morning at which time I have a giant

vitamin c push, meyers, to help with redistribution.

If my relentless chest pain is caused by excess mercury being

mobilized then I don;t see why I should stop as it will only get

worse before better and, as I say, I have the vitamin c tomorrow to

coincide.

---------Only you can determine what are bearable symptoms, but this sounds

rather extreme to me, and personally I would drop the ALA for now. And like you

said, hopefully the IV Vit C tomorrow will help.---------Jackie

I don't have have any dizziness or mood weirdness or any other usual

symptoms I get from taking maybe too much chelator so I doubt it's

that. But I am in pain and exhausted from it all.and don't know what

to do. I am not functioning except to lie down and maybe read.

-----------I believe people would tell you that they probably get different

symptoms from ALA than the other chelators. 6mg of ALA totally knocked me flat.

Totally exhausted and I couldn't stay awake. Nonfunctional. Haven't tried it

again. It may just be too soon since amalgam removal for you to use it, this

seems to vary alot by person, and do remember, you've been under alot of stress

lately, and I really believe this plays a big role in tolerating chelation also.

So probably not a good time to be experimenting with ALA. JMO.-------Jackie

As I mentioned in the other post I had some ideas and would love your

thoughts. I've been taking extra C, NAC (which normally helps) and

magnesium. No help.

-----------Extra C is always worth trying. Maybe E too? C, E, zinc, and

magnesium, I think are Andy's top four. You and Jada already discussed milk

thistle. Maybe Alka Seltzer Gold? Sometimes I try that, when I don't know what

to do or try.--------Jackie

Not sure why I don't get answers to these specific questions here; if

it's because nobody knows the answer, fine, it's just that I don't

know if you don't know or it slipped under the rug or what.

-----------Sometimes we don't know the answers, or aren't sure, or haven't

experienced it ourselves, so don't know what to suggest. And I haven't noticed

or or others posting today, so maybe help is still on the way?

Sorry, didn't mean to ignore you

And people seem to report a huge variety of symptoms during chelation, and I

just don't know if there's an answer for all of them. But my general rule of

thumb is, if they seem too bad, then stop the round, or in this case, drop the

ALA. I just don't think it pays to be too miserable. I think it's best to find

the dose of chelator that you can chelate at comfortably.---------Jackie

Is there somewhere else I should ask??

thank you in advance, ~robin

PS BTW I went through NAET for years and it helped a lot.... the MCS

I developed over the years seems directly related to the massive

amounts of mercury and arsenic (I moved to New Mexico where Arsenic

is everywhere...) I also have Lead, aluminum, thallium..

[Guest guest]

I think as Jackie indicated 12.5 mgs of ALA may be too much.

I had to go back and start at 3 mgs (1/8th of a 25 mgs tablet)

for a few rounds

I have noticed with ALA I get more of a chest soreness and hoarse

cough which a few of us spoke about around a week ago (Jada and

others).

I know you gotta do what you gotta do with those Ba'tard landlords

but stress takes a lot out of you and makes everything harder..even

though we think we can get through these things our body/brain is in

rough shape and has the final word

Take care

>

> I posted " round 10 having problems.. esophageal " and have received

> no answers.

>

> I'm still in constant discomfort bordering on solid pain. I went to

> acupuncture today and pulses were extremely thin, low chi..

> treatment didn't help the tightness but my chi came up. I'm pretty

> exhausted and even though I've searched, I can't find any help.

>

> As I said in the post of this morning, I have been at 12.5 DMSA

> every 3-4 around the clock, 3 days on 4 days off. This time I

> added 12.5 ALA. Felt fine at first, better even but since last

> night I have solid chest pain that will sometimes creep into my

> esophagus (although that's better since the acupuncture)

[Guest guest]

I think as Jackie indicated 12.5 mgs of ALA may be too much.

I had to go back and start at 3 mgs (1/8th of a 25 mgs tablet)

for a few rounds

I have noticed with ALA I get more of a chest soreness and hoarse

cough which a few of us spoke about around a week ago (Jada and

others).

I know you gotta do what you gotta do with those Ba'tard landlords

but stress takes a lot out of you and makes everything harder..even

though we think we can get through these things our body/brain is in

rough shape and has the final word

Take care

>

> I posted " round 10 having problems.. esophageal " and have received

> no answers.

>

> I'm still in constant discomfort bordering on solid pain. I went to

> acupuncture today and pulses were extremely thin, low chi..

> treatment didn't help the tightness but my chi came up. I'm pretty

> exhausted and even though I've searched, I can't find any help.

>

> As I said in the post of this morning, I have been at 12.5 DMSA

> every 3-4 around the clock, 3 days on 4 days off. This time I

> added 12.5 ALA. Felt fine at first, better even but since last

> night I have solid chest pain that will sometimes creep into my

> esophagus (although that's better since the acupuncture)

[Guest guest]

I think as Jackie indicated 12.5 mgs of ALA may be too much.

I had to go back and start at 3 mgs (1/8th of a 25 mgs tablet)

for a few rounds

I have noticed with ALA I get more of a chest soreness and hoarse

cough which a few of us spoke about around a week ago (Jada and

others).

I know you gotta do what you gotta do with those Ba'tard landlords

but stress takes a lot out of you and makes everything harder..even

though we think we can get through these things our body/brain is in

rough shape and has the final word

Take care

>

> I posted " round 10 having problems.. esophageal " and have received

> no answers.

>

> I'm still in constant discomfort bordering on solid pain. I went to

> acupuncture today and pulses were extremely thin, low chi..

> treatment didn't help the tightness but my chi came up. I'm pretty

> exhausted and even though I've searched, I can't find any help.

>

> As I said in the post of this morning, I have been at 12.5 DMSA

> every 3-4 around the clock, 3 days on 4 days off. This time I

> added 12.5 ALA. Felt fine at first, better even but since last

> night I have solid chest pain that will sometimes creep into my

> esophagus (although that's better since the acupuncture)

[Guest guest]

>

> I posted " round 10 having problems.. esophageal " and have received no

> answers.

I agree with Colette. It sounds a lot like reflux. Are you taking

your ALA in a capsule? Make sure you do that and also take it with

food. If you don't take with food, you could at least try taking

with something alkaline like mag citrate or sodium bicarb.

To soothe the discomfort, you could try some slippery elm. That's

what I did when I had similar problems.

> I'm still in constant discomfort bordering on solid pain. I went to

> acupuncture today and pulses were extremely thin, low chi.. treatment

> didn't help the tightness but my chi came up. I'm pretty exhausted

> and even though I've searched, I can't find any help.

Did the acupuncturist look at your tongue? If you have reflux I

think you would probably have a red tipped tongue.

> As I said in the post of this morning, I have been at 12.5 DMSA every

> 3-4 around the clock, 3 days on 4 days off. This time I added 12.5

> ALA. Felt fine at first, better even but since last night I have

> solid chest pain that will sometimes creep into my esophagus

> (although that's better since the acupuncture)

Acupuncture is good for reducing inflammation, which reflux will

cause.

> My round will end tomorrow morning at which time I have a giant

> vitamin c push, meyers, to help with redistribution.

>

> If my relentless chest pain is caused by excess mercury being

> mobilized then I don;t see why I should stop as it will only get

> worse before better and, as I say, I have the vitamin c tomorrow to

> coincide.

>

> I don't have have any dizziness or mood weirdness or any other usual

> symptoms I get from taking maybe too much chelator so I doubt it's

> that. But I am in pain and exhausted from it all.and don't know what

> to do. I am not functioning except to lie down and maybe read.

>

> As I mentioned in the other post I had some ideas and would love your

> thoughts. I've been taking extra C, NAC (which normally helps) and

> magnesium. No help.

If you take C on an empty stomach, make sure it is buffered C,

not ascorbic acid.

I hope the suggestions above help you feel better. If you feel

like you can't continue the round, I would suggest dropping the

ALA, but continue with DMSA for the rest of the round.

--

> Not sure why I don't get answers to these specific questions here; if

> it's because nobody knows the answer, fine, it's just that I don't

> know if you don't know or it slipped under the rug or what.

>

> Is there somewhere else I should ask??

>

> thank you in advance, ~robin

>

> PS BTW I went through NAET for years and it helped a lot.... the MCS

> I developed over the years seems directly related to the massive

> amounts of mercury and arsenic (I moved to New Mexico where Arsenic

> is everywhere...) I also have Lead, aluminum, thallium..

>

[Guest guest]

thank you to everyone for the thoughtful replies. I was beside myself.

and now can't wait to tell you what I did to help make less the

symptoms but want to see if it works all night before I share. gotta go

sleep now.

~robin

[Guest guest]

thank you to everyone for the thoughtful replies. I was beside myself.

and now can't wait to tell you what I did to help make less the

symptoms but want to see if it works all night before I share. gotta go

sleep now.

~robin