Re: Help interpreting adrenal test results

[Guest guest]

>

> - Q1: Could mercury toxicity itself be the chronic stressor leading

> to increased cortisol production throughout the day?

I believe it could be. The adrenal cortex is a strong magnet for

mercury accumulation (according to autopsy studies), and any

mobilization (e.g. from using the cortex) could be causing ongoing

damage. I know that when I am on a round, I can physically feel the

adrenal stress and its the strongest chelation symptom for me.

As for your question about supplementing cortisol, yes it is

recommended by the people on sttm/NTHA and to reduce it at night with

phosphatidylserine if it is interfering with sleep. If you search

their archives, you will find many threads about treating the high

cortisol stage.

Jay

[Guest guest]

Thanks for responding, Jay.

I realized afterwards that the length of my initial post may have

dissuaded people from responding, so here's the " short, short version " :

I have a saliva test at

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_147_saliva.pdf. Any

comments?

I looked up " high cortisol, " as you suggested, and I did find some

helpful posts in the archives. In particular, I had forgotten about

the following site, http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%202.html, which

seems to describe my situation -- high cortisol, low DHEA. This post

was also very relevant and helpful:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/21624

(It seems as if I have a similar situation as described in the above

post. My testosterone is also equivalent to about an 85 year old...

wonderful. I tried testosterone lozenges and gel but it didn't help

me feel any better. Maybe the dosage was too low.)

My D.C., who does applied kinesiology, muscle-tested me for several

hormone-related supplements yesterday. His testing found that

cortisol is counterindicated, T3 should be helpful, DHEA should be

helpful, Maca should be helpful, but pregnenolone doesn't seem to

help. I'm still not sure how much to trust the results of

muscle-testing, but I think it at least gives some useful

(person-specific) information to help guide treatment.

So I'm going to again try DHEA, T3, and Maca -- sequentially, so I can

try and determine the effect of each.

Hopefully I can " muddle through " chelation long enough to start

reversing all these hormonal problems!

Thanks,

Darren

[Guest guest]

Thanks for responding, Jay.

I realized afterwards that the length of my initial post may have

dissuaded people from responding, so here's the " short, short version " :

I have a saliva test at

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_147_saliva.pdf. Any

comments?

I looked up " high cortisol, " as you suggested, and I did find some

helpful posts in the archives. In particular, I had forgotten about

the following site, http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%202.html, which

seems to describe my situation -- high cortisol, low DHEA. This post

was also very relevant and helpful:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/21624

(It seems as if I have a similar situation as described in the above

post. My testosterone is also equivalent to about an 85 year old...

wonderful. I tried testosterone lozenges and gel but it didn't help

me feel any better. Maybe the dosage was too low.)

My D.C., who does applied kinesiology, muscle-tested me for several

hormone-related supplements yesterday. His testing found that

cortisol is counterindicated, T3 should be helpful, DHEA should be

helpful, Maca should be helpful, but pregnenolone doesn't seem to

help. I'm still not sure how much to trust the results of

muscle-testing, but I think it at least gives some useful

(person-specific) information to help guide treatment.

So I'm going to again try DHEA, T3, and Maca -- sequentially, so I can

try and determine the effect of each.

Hopefully I can " muddle through " chelation long enough to start

reversing all these hormonal problems!

Thanks,

Darren

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for responding, Jay.

>

> I realized afterwards that the length of my initial post may have

> dissuaded people from responding,

It's more likely that some people have been too busy to respond or to

go through old messages. Posting again to get our attention is a good

idea.

so here's the " short, short version " :

>

> I have a saliva test at

> http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_147_saliva.pdf. Any

> comments?

>

Did I understand correctly from the test results that you had been

taking oral cortisol within 24 h of the test? That would affect the

results. I would think a person would have to stop for a period of

time, maybe a week, to get accurate results.

Do you get any of the following symptoms - poor response and crashing

with stress, low BP, dizziness of first standing, frequent infections

and difficulty shaking infections, aches and pains?

I remember Andy saying that men with low testosterone often need to

take the testosterone by injection (with fine needles so it doesn't

hurt). This is something that you might want to follow up on. My

understanding is that testosterone at the right levels should increase

a person's feeling of well being.

Before you start T3 you might want to check blood levels of free T3

and free T4. They should be in the top 1/3 to 1/4 of the normal

range. I would used sustained release T3. If it makes you feel

worse, go back to the cortisol question.

It sounds like DHEA will be helpful.

I have had muscle testing and I don't rely totally on the results.

J

> I looked up " high cortisol, " as you suggested, and I did find some

> helpful posts in the archives. In particular, I had forgotten about

> the following site, http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%202.html, which

> seems to describe my situation -- high cortisol, low DHEA. This post

> was also very relevant and helpful:

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/21624

>

> (It seems as if I have a similar situation as described in the above

> post. My testosterone is also equivalent to about an 85 year old...

> wonderful. I tried testosterone lozenges and gel but it didn't help

> me feel any better. Maybe the dosage was too low.)

>

> My D.C., who does applied kinesiology, muscle-tested me for several

> hormone-related supplements yesterday. His testing found that

> cortisol is counterindicated, T3 should be helpful, DHEA should be

> helpful, Maca should be helpful, but pregnenolone doesn't seem to

> help. I'm still not sure how much to trust the results of

> muscle-testing, but I think it at least gives some useful

> (person-specific) information to help guide treatment.

>

> So I'm going to again try DHEA, T3, and Maca -- sequentially, so I can

> try and determine the effect of each.

>

> Hopefully I can " muddle through " chelation long enough to start

> reversing all these hormonal problems!

>

> Thanks,

> Darren

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for responding, Jay.

>

> I realized afterwards that the length of my initial post may have

> dissuaded people from responding,

It's more likely that some people have been too busy to respond or to

go through old messages. Posting again to get our attention is a good

idea.

so here's the " short, short version " :

>

> I have a saliva test at

> http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/files/hairtest_147_saliva.pdf. Any

> comments?

>

Did I understand correctly from the test results that you had been

taking oral cortisol within 24 h of the test? That would affect the

results. I would think a person would have to stop for a period of

time, maybe a week, to get accurate results.

Do you get any of the following symptoms - poor response and crashing

with stress, low BP, dizziness of first standing, frequent infections

and difficulty shaking infections, aches and pains?

I remember Andy saying that men with low testosterone often need to

take the testosterone by injection (with fine needles so it doesn't

hurt). This is something that you might want to follow up on. My

understanding is that testosterone at the right levels should increase

a person's feeling of well being.

Before you start T3 you might want to check blood levels of free T3

and free T4. They should be in the top 1/3 to 1/4 of the normal

range. I would used sustained release T3. If it makes you feel

worse, go back to the cortisol question.

It sounds like DHEA will be helpful.

I have had muscle testing and I don't rely totally on the results.

J

> I looked up " high cortisol, " as you suggested, and I did find some

> helpful posts in the archives. In particular, I had forgotten about

> the following site, http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%202.html, which

> seems to describe my situation -- high cortisol, low DHEA. This post

> was also very relevant and helpful:

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/message/21624

>

> (It seems as if I have a similar situation as described in the above

> post. My testosterone is also equivalent to about an 85 year old...

> wonderful. I tried testosterone lozenges and gel but it didn't help

> me feel any better. Maybe the dosage was too low.)

>

> My D.C., who does applied kinesiology, muscle-tested me for several

> hormone-related supplements yesterday. His testing found that

> cortisol is counterindicated, T3 should be helpful, DHEA should be

> helpful, Maca should be helpful, but pregnenolone doesn't seem to

> help. I'm still not sure how much to trust the results of

> muscle-testing, but I think it at least gives some useful

> (person-specific) information to help guide treatment.

>

> So I'm going to again try DHEA, T3, and Maca -- sequentially, so I can

> try and determine the effect of each.

>

> Hopefully I can " muddle through " chelation long enough to start

> reversing all these hormonal problems!

>

> Thanks,

> Darren

>