Re: Re: Results of hair elements test--

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In frequent-dose-chelation wrote:

Thank you very much, Jackie and !

Comments and some questions below:

>

> --------Welcome to the club! Not sure if this is one you want to

be in though! If it makes you feel any better, my first hair test was

even worse than yours, including my arsenic being higher.----------Jackie

>

-------- Thank you Jackie! I hope you have improved and now you are

better!

----------I still have a long ways to go, because I have had alot of bumps

along the way that have kept me from chelating and set me back. But overall,

yes I have improved, and I know chelation is the key to me getting

better.---------Jackie

Of course I would rather prefer to be OK, but since my problems have

come with me for so many years, I feel very fortunate for having found

its very likely cause. It is great to know it is a problem that can be

solved! ----

----------Yes, that's what Andy says too, that at least it is something you

can do something about, and should improve, once you find out what it is. I

believe so many never figure out that they have a heavy metal

problem.--------Jackie

>

> Your hair test says you have both a mercury problem and an arsenic

> problem. ALA and DMPS are the best chelators in this case. Wait

> four days after all amalgam is removed before starting chelation.

> See TK's general chelation suggestions in the files. I suggest you

> use DMPS for a few months before adding ALA.

>

> The all low appearance of the test suggests you would benefit from

> treatments to improve digestion such as supplemental stomach acid

> and digestive enzymes. For undetectable lithium, a supplement of

> 5 mg lithium (orotate or aspartate) can be helpful.

-----Curiously, I am completely unaware of having any gut problem.

---------I wasn't aware that I had any gut problems and wasn't absorbing my

nutrients either. Digestive aides have helped me. But, your diet does sound

very good, but you still may be low in stomach acid. When we see mostly all low

minerals on a hair test, this is a general statement that we make. Even taking

Vit C in the ascorbic acid form with meals, will increase acid for

digestion.---------Jackie

Maybe I should have added that I follow a macrobiotic diet (three

years from now), which excludes meat, dairy products and sweet things.

Is is based on brown rice and other whole cereals, beans, vegetables,

some fish and complements such as seaweed, miso or gomasio.

This macrobiotic diet helped me a lot, but obviously it is not enough

and the reason is obvious. -----

----------If the diet is working for you then stick with it. I personally

need alot of protein and limit carbs.---------Jackie

>

> In Hair Test Interpretation, Andy says that high hair zinc may

> mean more vitamin B-6 is needed. You might try adding some extra

> B-6 along with the B complex you are already taking.

>

> ----------He also says that when mineral transport is deranged,

>elevated hair zinc invariably indicates a low body burden and zinc

>supplementation is appropriate. Absorption of zinc is severely

>impaired in mercury toxicity, and very high amounts are needed. For

>adults, he recommends 100-200mg a day in divided doses.-------Jackie

>

--------I think he suggest to take 100mg of zinc at the beginning but

then low the dose to 50mg when one begins using ALA. Doesn't this

apply in this case? ------

---------Yes, you're right! It was late when I was typing this, and I

repeated what he said from HTI, not considering that you are using ALA. I think

Andy has eased up on that thought about lowering zinc with ALA though.

Hopefully somebody else will remember. But I know it is one of the most

important minerals to supplement with mercury poisoning.------------Jackie

>

>

> > Location: Madrid, Spain

> > 1) Current symptoms and medical history;

> > Male, 40.

> > Brain fog, coldness, muscular weakness, multiple infections,

fatigue,

> > some muscular pain.

>

> > These problems slowly started when I was very young (14? 16?

18?) and

> > have increased (with on's and off's periods) to something that

today,

> > without supplementation, is quite miserable. With supplementation I

> > feel much better.

>

> The symptoms above suggest possible adrenal and/or thyroid problems.

> If your supplementation fully corrects the symptoms, then you might

> be okay, otherwise I suggest testing to determine whether hormone

> support is needed. Many of us do need this. Saliva testing is best

> for adrenals. For thyroid you need free T3, free T4, and TSH.

>

> ------------For thyroid, also test for antibodies.--------Jackie

>

>

------Yes, besides brain fog the problems that most bother me are

thyroid and adrenal-like so I should take care of them. I am a little

bit scared of adrenal suppression, so I though trying to support

adrenals with vit C, licorice and such, trying to avoid HC.

---------It is certainly fine and probably appropriate to try other things

first. Can you get adrenal cortex extract in Spain? That is another thing to

try, before HC. I am using it with HC now, and I feel it is

helping.----------Jackie

I am also reluctant of using Armour thyroid because I've been told

that this will add further stress to adrenals... But really I am not

very sure about this.

------------This is correct, and it's why they say to treat your adrenals

first. And this happened to me, before I knew better. A doctor let me try

Armour, but he didn't understand the adrenal thing, and I crashed harder after a

few weeks. So I truly believe that statement. Adrenals first.----------Jackie

I will try the saliva test. Regarding T3, I have tried it to be tested

many times. Even I have found some doctor who asked for it to be

tested, without success. It seems no one considers the possibility of

having T4->T3 conversion problems. Moreover, I have been unable to

find in Spain any drug combining T4 and T3, just only T4.

-----------Can you get saliva testing in Spain? Otherwise, I think somebody

posted that you can order them from ZRT Labs and they will send it overseas.

Check out their website. You might be able to get thyroid testing from them

also.----Jackie

Just curious: I don't see in the results the characteristic pattern

expected for thyroid/adrenal problems. Does it mean the problems are

relatively mild, and so this is why I find such a big relief in things

like licorice?------

---------It could be. And you are correct, you don't have the obvious adrenal

pattern in your hair, so they might not be too bad off. And your thyroid ratio

is in range also. Now Andy has said that these aren't always 100%. For

example, I have high blood sugar problems, but it didn't jump out on my hair

test either (may have been timing too). And my first hair test didn't have the

classic adrenal pattern, 3 of the 4 were very low, but I definitely had adrenal

problems. But then explained to me that my potassium was low

red, and she said that in itself was a sign of adrenal problems, so that

explained that.-----------Jackie

> > 3) Supplements; medications and chelating schedule at the time

of hair

> > test;

> >

> > Vit C (as sodium ascorbate): 1 tsp 3 times per day.

> > Vit E: 400 IU 3 times per day

> > B-50: 3 times per day

> > Magnesium: 400 mg three times per day

> > Zinc: 50 mg once

> > Chromium picolinate: 200 mcg three times per day

> > Milk thistle: 3 times per day

> > Hydergine: 1,125 mg three times per day (Just started few days ago,

> > currently slowly increasing)

>

> Andy recommends some additional supplements in Amalgam Illness, such

> as EFAs, molybdenum, and others. I suggest adding these at some

> point.

-----Thank you. I forgot to mention I am also using flax oil (about

6tsp) and borage oil (1 tsp). Ack!!---

> > 5) Other relevant information.

> > My father was an amateur alchemist and experimented for many

years at

> > work (in a small shop where I used to spend many hours) and after

> > retirement, at home. So since I was a child I was probably

> > exposed to Hg, which is a main ingredient in any alchemist lab.

> > His last 10-15 years of live were very miserable.

> > My mother which is still alive (85) enjoys a very good health.

She was

> > 45 when I was born.

>

> ---------Your mother must be a good excretor of metals, and

>probably wasn't exposed as much as your father. Do you have any idea

>where the arsenic came from?------Jackie

-------My mother was almost as exposed as my father, since she worked

with him at the shop and clearly more exposed than me. Hope my kids

have inherited this genes of her!

----------This is very interesting, and is proof that some people are

naturally better detoxers than others. And some say it also has to do with

individual sensitivity to the metals, like the test. So yes, keep

hoping that your kids get her genes! But if they don't, at least you know what

to do.----------Jackie

--------No idea of where the arsenic comes from. But checking against

the symptoms Cutler describes for arsenic toxic people I don't feel

described in them: no skin eruptions, I do eat lots of carbohydrates

and I am not aware of problems because of this, don't have chemical

sensitivity nor vision problems beyond what is normal at 40. However I

will add B12 and folic acid and will consider TMG, but I already have

very low cholesterol. Wouldn't be a bad idea in this case?------

----------You can try these supplements and see if they help. But if you

don't notice anything, you may not need them. And maybe mercury is your main

problem. Arsenic is one of the things that goes up, when mineral transport is

deranged from mercury poisoning. My arsenic comes from my well water, so you

might want to check your water source. Otherwise, maybe it came from your

father's lab?----Jackie

>

> Interesting. Your hair test agrees that you are very toxic, since

> it comes close to meeting all three rules. You have lots of

> chelation ahead of you.

>

-----Yes, it seems you will have to stand my broken English for a

while! However, since I have so much improved with supplements, I

though maybe I was just moderately poisoned! Now I think maybe I

should be ready for four years of chelation! --------

-----------First, I think you're English is very good! And second, it's best

to prepare for the long haul, but if all goes well, maybe you'll be done

sooner!-------Jackie

---------And I have to say, I am impressed with what you have learned already.

Good luck and keep us posted on how you're doing!---------Jackie