Re: Adrenal Cortex Extract

December 14, 2007

I have been taking Adrenal Cortex Extract (ACE) for about 1 week.

Gradually increasing the dose upto 4 caps per day and I have noticed

the following.

If I take this in the evening at dinner I cannot sleep at night.

I did get intense body and especially face tingling & itching when I

got upto 4 caps per day. I thought this might be something else I am

talking(Vit , so I stopped that and the ACE and everything calmed

down the next day. I then re-took the Vit B and nothing happened. I

then retook some ACE and the symptoms returned. I stopped the ACE and

again the symptoms stopped the next day.

So that means the ACE gave me the tingling and itching, but that was

at the high dose of 4 caps a day. The evening dosages certainly did

not agree with me, so no need to try evening dosing again.

So I will restart the ACE and go with 1 in the morning and 1 at lunch

and see what happens. It was only when I increased the dosage that

the itchy stuff happened. I will aim to get to 2 in the morning and 1

at lunch, but any more tingling and itching and I will stop

altogether.

My temps have fluctuated between 97.2 – 97.5 deg's. which is pretty

good (for me) both in terms of high temp(for me) and fair stable(for

me), especially since the tingling and itching was uncomfortable and

made me feel pretty ropey during this time. And I have also been

battling a little re-distribution after the last DMSA round. And

heartburn. And dehydration. And my shoulders hurt like crazy. So the

fact that my temp's stayed relatively stable, enough though I've had

a rough week, means its worth persevering and trying again to find a

suitable dosage of ACE.

I will reprint my lab results and comments Jackie made

> Adrenal stress profile (saliva) age group 30-39

> Cortisol levels

> Sample 1. 7-8am 10.8 ... ref 12-22

> Sample 2. 11-12am 4.3....ref 4-8

> Sample 3. 4-5pm 4.4....ref 3-7

> Sample 4. 11-12pm 1.6....ref 1-3

>

> ----------Yes you are certainly low all day, especially your

> morning cortisol should be much higher. You are low in range in

> afternoon/evening, do you feel better then? I usually fell better

at

> night, which is a common adrenal and mercury symptom.---Jackie

Sunshine

December 17, 2007

Sunshine, which ACE product is this, Thorne or Allergy Research

Group/Nutricology? The mg's per capsule was much different, so I'd like to know

which one you're using.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

I have been taking Adrenal Cortex Extract (ACE) for about 1 week.

Gradually increasing the dose upto 4 caps per day and I have noticed

the following.

If I take this in the evening at dinner I cannot sleep at night.

I did get intense body and especially face tingling & itching when I

got upto 4 caps per day. I thought this might be something else I am

talking(Vit , so I stopped that and the ACE and everything calmed

down the next day. I then re-took the Vit B and nothing happened. I

then retook some ACE and the symptoms returned. I stopped the ACE and

again the symptoms stopped the next day.

So that means the ACE gave me the tingling and itching, but that was

at the high dose of 4 caps a day. The evening dosages certainly did

not agree with me, so no need to try evening dosing again.

So I will restart the ACE and go with 1 in the morning and 1 at lunch

and see what happens. It was only when I increased the dosage that

the itchy stuff happened. I will aim to get to 2 in the morning and 1

at lunch, but any more tingling and itching and I will stop

altogether.

My temps have fluctuated between 97.2 - 97.5 deg's. which is pretty

good (for me) both in terms of high temp(for me) and fair stable(for

me), especially since the tingling and itching was uncomfortable and

made me feel pretty ropey during this time. And I have also been

battling a little re-distribution after the last DMSA round. And

heartburn. And dehydration. And my shoulders hurt like crazy. So the

fact that my temp's stayed relatively stable, enough though I've had

a rough week, means its worth persevering and trying again to find a

suitable dosage of ACE.

I will reprint my lab results and comments Jackie made

> Adrenal stress profile (saliva) age group 30-39

> Cortisol levels

> Sample 1. 7-8am 10.8 ... ref 12-22

> Sample 2. 11-12am 4.3....ref 4-8

> Sample 3. 4-5pm 4.4....ref 3-7

> Sample 4. 11-12pm 1.6....ref 1-3

>

> ----------Yes you are certainly low all day, especially your

> morning cortisol should be much higher. You are low in range in

> afternoon/evening, do you feel better then? I usually fell better

at

> night, which is a common adrenal and mercury symptom.---Jackie

Sunshine

December 18, 2007

>

> Sunshine, which ACE product is this, Thorne or Allergy Research

Group/Nutricology? The mg's per capsule was much different, so I'd

like to know which one you're using.--------Jackie

I am using the Thorne ACE product. 50mg per capsule.

I have been back on the ACE(for the second attempt) for 3 days now,

taking 1 cap at breakfast and one cap at lunchtime. (first time

around I did 4 days on ACE before I had to stop.)

A couple of noticeable things have happened. Firstly, I could not get

to sleep last night at my normal time. In the end I got to sleep 2.5

hours later than normal. This is very unusual for me, normally I'm

out like a light, every night at 1030pm. For me, this has to be

related to the ACE….it is defo doing something to me.

Secondly, my temps have become more unstable and lower. The feeling

of being cold all the time is returning a little.

Thirdly, I have the tingling and itching coming on strong all of a

sudden this evening. This has only just happened now at the end of

the third day on ACE. This tingling and itching is most unpleasant.

What is happening now is what happened when I first took the Ace, so

I am likely to conclude that ACE is no good for me. I will not take

any Ace tomorrow and I will monitor my symptoms, if they recede I

will know for sure it is no good for me.

Just a note about the symptoms: I do not know for sure if this is

because of the ACE, or because of the last DMSA round, or because I

just started a parasite cleanse and a bowel cleanse and I started

drinking Essiac tea too. I have only just started the parasite

cleanse etc and I had not started these things when I first took the

ACE and got the same symptoms. The Ace remains the number one suspect

by far, but these symptoms could be just my body's general poor

condition reacting to stressors. Certainly tingly&itchy are symptoms

of my previous parasite cleanse, but at the moment I think and feel

it's the ACE causing these things, because all the symptoms are the

same as when I first took ACE.

As I said, I will not take the ACE tomorrow and if symptoms lessen I

will know it's the ACE.

(I am having 2-3 weeks break from Chelating at the moment, I don't

know if parasite cleansing is in or out of protocol, but I need to do

it, no question about that. I have a bacteria problem that needs

addressing. I decided not to chelate at the same time as the parasite

cleanse. DMSA will have to wait its turn.)

Sunshine

December 18, 2007

In frequent-dose-chelation sunshinep1969 wrote:

>

> Sunshine, which ACE product is this, Thorne or Allergy Research

Group/Nutricology? The mg's per capsule was much different, so I'd

like to know which one you're using.--------Jackie

I am using the Thorne ACE product. 50mg per capsule.

---------So the ARG/Nutricology 250mg ACE would probably be way too much for

you. So people's tolerances and needs for this does seem to vary.-------Jackie

I have been back on the ACE(for the second attempt) for 3 days now,

taking 1 cap at breakfast and one cap at lunchtime. (first time

around I did 4 days on ACE before I had to stop.)

A couple of noticeable things have happened. Firstly, I could not get

to sleep last night at my normal time. In the end I got to sleep 2.5

hours later than normal. This is very unusual for me, normally I'm

out like a light, every night at 1030pm. For me, this has to be

related to the ACE..it is defo doing something to me.

-----------Sounds like its raising your night time cortisol, making it hard

for you to sleep. You may just not need ACE, or maybe just one in the

morning?-----Jackie

Secondly, my temps have become more unstable and lower. The feeling

of being cold all the time is returning a little.

----------The only thing I can think of is that your body needs cortisol to

use thyroid hormone, so when you give it the cortisol it needs, it may use up

whatever thyroid hormone that was floating around, and then when that's gone and

you aren't supplementing thyroid also, it could cause a drop in thyroid hormone

levels. I'm not an expert on this, but I think I remember reading something

like that when I used to read the NaturalThyroidHormone group for awhile. So

the ACE may be affecting your thyroid levels.--------Jackie

--------Somebody else may know more about this, jump in please!--------Jackie

Thirdly, I have the tingling and itching coming on strong all of a

sudden this evening. This has only just happened now at the end of

the third day on ACE. This tingling and itching is most unpleasant.

----------The only time I recall having those symptoms was from yeast die-off

from taking too many antifungals after having lots of antibiotics a year ago.

And no, it's not pleasant!------Jackie

What is happening now is what happened when I first took the Ace, so

I am likely to conclude that ACE is no good for me. I will not take

any Ace tomorrow and I will monitor my symptoms, if they recede I

will know for sure it is no good for me.

Just a note about the symptoms: I do not know for sure if this is

because of the ACE, or because of the last DMSA round, or because I

just started a parasite cleanse and a bowel cleanse and I started

drinking Essiac tea too.

-----------It's hard to figure out when we're doing too many things at once.

I have heard of Essiac tea, but have never used it myself, and have never heard

of anybody having reactions to it. I would be suspect of the parasite cleanse,

because of the die-off it could be causing.--------Jackie

I have only just started the parasite

cleanse etc and I had not started these things when I first took the

ACE and got the same symptoms. The Ace remains the number one suspect

by far, but these symptoms could be just my body's general poor

condition reacting to stressors. Certainly tingly&itchy are symptoms

of my previous parasite cleanse, but at the moment I think and feel

it's the ACE causing these things, because all the symptoms are the

same as when I first took ACE.

-----------Hard to say for sure, but it's probably one of the two, or maybe a

little of both? You'll just have to keep experimenting and figure it out

yourself. Maybe shelf the ACE for awhile and try it again down the road, when

you're not doing cleanses or too many other things? I tried ACE a long time ago

and didn't tolerate it then, but now this fall I do. Not sure

why.----------Jackie

As I said, I will not take the ACE tomorrow and if symptoms lessen I

will know it's the ACE.

(I am having 2-3 weeks break from Chelating at the moment, I don't

know if parasite cleansing is in or out of protocol, but I need to do

it, no question about that. I have a bacteria problem that needs

addressing. I decided not to chelate at the same time as the parasite

cleanse. DMSA will have to wait its turn.)

----------Probably a good idea to hold off on chelation for now. As you can

already see, it's hard to figure out what is doing what, without throwing

chelation into the mix also. I'm not sure where Andy stands on parasite

cleanses, but I do know he feels that liver flushes may be too hard on mercury

toxic people.--------Jackie

Sunshine

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December 19, 2007

>

> Secondly, my temps have become more unstable and lower. The

feeling

> of being cold all the time is returning a little.

>

> ----------The only thing I can think of is that your body needs

cortisol to use thyroid hormone, so when you give it the cortisol it

needs, it may use up whatever thyroid hormone that was floating

around, and then when that's gone and you aren't supplementing

thyroid also, it could cause a drop in thyroid hormone levels. I'm

not an expert on this, but I think I remember reading something like

that when I used to read the NaturalThyroidHormone group for awhile.

So the ACE may be affecting your thyroid levels.--------Jackie

>

> --------Somebody else may know more about this, jump in please!---

-----Jackie

Sunshine: That is very interesting that. i have no idea at this

stage, but i will investigate this theory. Looks good on paper.

From what i'v read the adrenals need treating first, but i don't

remember reading what you just described.

> What is happening now is what happened when I first took the Ace,

so

> I am likely to conclude that ACE is no good for me. I will not

take

> any Ace tomorrow and I will monitor my symptoms, if they recede I

> will know for sure it is no good for me.

>

> Just a note about the symptoms: I do not know for sure if this is

> because of the ACE, or because of the last DMSA round, or because

I

> just started a parasite cleanse and a bowel cleanse and I started

> drinking Essiac tea too.

>

> -----------It's hard to figure out when we're doing too many

things at once. I have heard of Essiac tea, but have never used it

myself, and have never heard of anybody having reactions to it. I

would be suspect of the parasite cleanse, because of the die-off it

could be causing.--------Jackie

Sunshine: i did test drive the essiac tea on its own 3 weeks ago,

when nothing else was happening. I got nasty shoulder pains

at " moderate " dosages, so i am dosing now at low dosage only.

I have stopped ACE today, i will report back later what happens. last

time it took 1.5 days before i started feeling any better.....i

continue with the parasite & bowel cleanses and essiac tea.

Sunshine

December 19, 2007