Re: Goals for Wellness

[Guest guest]

Robin - I think of the process this way:

(1) Eliminate exposures

(2a) Help the body deal with the ongoing damage (eg anti-oxidants, lots

of nutrients etc)

(2b) Manage symptoms (eg eliminate reactive foods, take supplements like

grapefruit juice or methylators or yeast management, keep up my

electrolytes, do yoga for FM etc)

(3) Help the body excrete (eg liver support, alkalinize the urine,

chelate, sweat)

Once (1) was done, I have done as much of (3) as I can. Managing

symptoms is an important part of that, because chelation is exhausting,

causes symptoms, and you will be fighting the symptoms to be able to

keep a high level of chelation. Like they say in yoga, " The problem

came in like elephants, and they'll go out like elephants " . Andy has

said much the same in re removing mercury. And, like running a

marathon, you don't want to be so aggressive that you're tearing

yourself down and are unable to finish, but you do want to push as hard

as you can within the context of maximizing your performance.

Dave.

Posted by: " robin " grainwreck@...

Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:55 am (PDT)

I was getting overwhelmed with information yesterday. It's tempting

to include every new idea into my own routine, anything to get better!

But when taking so many supplements, I get nervous about balance. So

this morning, while my head was at its clearest, I made a list of

Goals for Recovery, with rankings from most to least important.

MY GOALS FOR WELLNESS

~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Get rid of the metal in my body.

2. Make sure I don't hurt myself with improper treatment or activity.

3. Correct imbalances caused by chelating agents.

4. Support body's detox pathways, liver function, gut climate, etc.

5. Support general overall health.

6. Control unpleasant symptoms.

* Use whole foods and diet rather than supplements whenever possible.

~robin

[Guest guest]

Robin - I think of the process this way:

(1) Eliminate exposures

(2a) Help the body deal with the ongoing damage (eg anti-oxidants, lots

of nutrients etc)

(2b) Manage symptoms (eg eliminate reactive foods, take supplements like

grapefruit juice or methylators or yeast management, keep up my

electrolytes, do yoga for FM etc)

(3) Help the body excrete (eg liver support, alkalinize the urine,

chelate, sweat)

Once (1) was done, I have done as much of (3) as I can. Managing

symptoms is an important part of that, because chelation is exhausting,

causes symptoms, and you will be fighting the symptoms to be able to

keep a high level of chelation. Like they say in yoga, " The problem

came in like elephants, and they'll go out like elephants " . Andy has

said much the same in re removing mercury. And, like running a

marathon, you don't want to be so aggressive that you're tearing

yourself down and are unable to finish, but you do want to push as hard

as you can within the context of maximizing your performance.

Dave.

Posted by: " robin " grainwreck@...

Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:55 am (PDT)

I was getting overwhelmed with information yesterday. It's tempting

to include every new idea into my own routine, anything to get better!

But when taking so many supplements, I get nervous about balance. So

this morning, while my head was at its clearest, I made a list of

Goals for Recovery, with rankings from most to least important.

MY GOALS FOR WELLNESS

~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1. Get rid of the metal in my body.

2. Make sure I don't hurt myself with improper treatment or activity.

3. Correct imbalances caused by chelating agents.

4. Support body's detox pathways, liver function, gut climate, etc.

5. Support general overall health.

6. Control unpleasant symptoms.

* Use whole foods and diet rather than supplements whenever possible.

~robin

[Guest guest]

> Managing symptoms is an important part of that, because chelation

> is exhausting, causes symptoms, and you will be fighting the

> symptoms to be able to keep a high level of chelation.

Thanks Dean. I'm also treating symptoms, doing everything I can to

get well. My post was more about symbiosis, wanting to know how a

certain substance worked in the grand scheme of things, what is

absolutely necessary to being mercury-free and what's not.

The symptom thing was a tiny part of my letter and I, frankly, wish

I'd never mentioned it :-)

But since I did I'll try to clarify that little teensy part:

There are a couple ways to view symptoms: 1.) is it a symptom that

needs to be corrected for recovery? or 2.) is it a symptom that is

more cosmetic in nature?

For example: If my symptom is that I'm dizzy, cold and anxious, I'd

certainly take supplements to correct it: maybe address adrenal

function, maybe cut back on chelating agents, etc.

But, for example, if my symptom is general longer-term fatigue

and malaise, then I'd weigh the " cure " for that symptom. I'd figure

out if the cure for malaise was also going to help my more immediate

concern of getting rid of the source of the problem. And that would,

of course, be the mercury.

If I have to live with general malaise and fatigue, I'll do it if I

know I'm on the right track with chelation.

An example might be vitamin C. Vitamin C is great for helping the

liver get rid of stuff. But it also causes one to not absorb calcium

so if it's taken all the time, long-term, it can cause its own sort

of lack-of-calcium problems. Long term lack of calcium isn't so good.

And that's a tiny example of why I like to focus, if possible!, on

good whole foods that do some of the same things as supplements

because, in the long-term, I feel better about the symbiosis thing

and I think I'll recover faster in the long run.

Namaste.

~robin

[Guest guest]

> Managing symptoms is an important part of that, because chelation

> is exhausting, causes symptoms, and you will be fighting the

> symptoms to be able to keep a high level of chelation.

Thanks Dean. I'm also treating symptoms, doing everything I can to

get well. My post was more about symbiosis, wanting to know how a

certain substance worked in the grand scheme of things, what is

absolutely necessary to being mercury-free and what's not.

The symptom thing was a tiny part of my letter and I, frankly, wish

I'd never mentioned it :-)

But since I did I'll try to clarify that little teensy part:

There are a couple ways to view symptoms: 1.) is it a symptom that

needs to be corrected for recovery? or 2.) is it a symptom that is

more cosmetic in nature?

For example: If my symptom is that I'm dizzy, cold and anxious, I'd

certainly take supplements to correct it: maybe address adrenal

function, maybe cut back on chelating agents, etc.

But, for example, if my symptom is general longer-term fatigue

and malaise, then I'd weigh the " cure " for that symptom. I'd figure

out if the cure for malaise was also going to help my more immediate

concern of getting rid of the source of the problem. And that would,

of course, be the mercury.

If I have to live with general malaise and fatigue, I'll do it if I

know I'm on the right track with chelation.

An example might be vitamin C. Vitamin C is great for helping the

liver get rid of stuff. But it also causes one to not absorb calcium

so if it's taken all the time, long-term, it can cause its own sort

of lack-of-calcium problems. Long term lack of calcium isn't so good.

And that's a tiny example of why I like to focus, if possible!, on

good whole foods that do some of the same things as supplements

because, in the long-term, I feel better about the symbiosis thing

and I think I'll recover faster in the long run.

Namaste.

~robin

[Guest guest]

Robin, not trying to add to your level of considerations here, but

one thing that helped me was having the food allergy tests. I think

the company is Immu30pro or something like that. IF interested you

can email me directly for the company who I did the tests with

through

But mine showed high allergy to milk products, eggs, almonds and

honey which i was using in my tea as I thought it was better than

sugar. I hope and think that staying away from these products is

helping me deal with all of the other problems I have

Over the last few weeks, I have gone more hard core on the anti yeast

diet, basically green drink (celery, zucchini and romaine letuce-all

non sulphur); mostly chicken, sometimes red meat, organic peanut

butter with apples (my treat) and herbal tea..NOTHING PROCESSED...

(sorry my one exception is organic packaged broth I use to make my

soup)

I have noticed this diet also seems to help my body cope with the

myriad of other problems (poor metabolism, constipation and other

chelation related issues). A good diet just means less crap for our

already overwhelmed systems (gut, liver, kidneys, lymph, bowels) to

deal with. It was hard giving up real tea and sugar...but after a

week I think many things are better and my chelation rounds seem a

little better (i am more regular)

So I think diet helps satisfy and sets the framework for

accomplishing your objectives 1-6

> I made a list of Goals for Recovery, with rankings from most to

least important.

>

> MY GOALS FOR WELLNESS

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

> 1. Get rid of the metal in my body.

>

> 2. Make sure I don't hurt myself with improper treatment or

activity.

>

> 3. Correct imbalances caused by chelating agents.

>

> 4. Support body's detox pathways, liver function, gut climate, etc.

>

> 5. Support general overall health.

>

> 6. Control unpleasant symptoms.

>

> * Use whole foods and diet rather than supplements whenever

possible.

>