Re: Help with Adrenal Cortex & Thyroid Hormone Resistance

[Guest guest]

I really really appreciate all this info - I printed it out & will take

to my doc for further consideration. I did notice rather rapidly that

when I uped my dosage to 1 1/2 gr that my temp started to rise so I may

stick to increasing Armour for a short time & observe results. I can't

tell you how much your help means- thank you!!!!!

>

> > I started on a low

> > dosage of Armour (1gr) 2 wks ago and felt worse. Was easily

explained

> > by them as too low a dosage, so now I have added another 1/2gr.

> > According to 's Temp Syndrome, Armour does not work and

> > sustained release T3 is the best protocol. Do any of you readers

have

> > experience with this? I appreciate all of you!

>

> Yes, the standard line on most thyroid forums is that if you

feel 'worse' on

> Armour then you are taking to little. I think this is a simplistic

approach

> that does not look comprehensively at all the thyroid options.

[Guest guest]

Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge adrenal

issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my temps are

fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the adrenal

support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I have

been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into thyroid

issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of this.

The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

Joy

>

> > I started on a low

> > dosage of Armour (1gr) 2 wks ago and felt worse. Was easily

explained

> > by them as too low a dosage, so now I have added another 1/2gr.

> > According to 's Temp Syndrome, Armour does not work and

> > sustained release T3 is the best protocol. Do any of you readers

have

> > experience with this? I appreciate all of you!

>

> Yes, the standard line on most thyroid forums is that if you

feel 'worse' on

> Armour then you are taking to little. I think this is a simplistic

approach

> that does not look comprehensively at all the thyroid options.

[Guest guest]

Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge adrenal

issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my temps are

fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the adrenal

support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I have

been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into thyroid

issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of this.

The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

Joy

>

> > I started on a low

> > dosage of Armour (1gr) 2 wks ago and felt worse. Was easily

explained

> > by them as too low a dosage, so now I have added another 1/2gr.

> > According to 's Temp Syndrome, Armour does not work and

> > sustained release T3 is the best protocol. Do any of you readers

have

> > experience with this? I appreciate all of you!

>

> Yes, the standard line on most thyroid forums is that if you

feel 'worse' on

> Armour then you are taking to little. I think this is a simplistic

approach

> that does not look comprehensively at all the thyroid options.

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation : joy480674 wrote:

Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge adrenal

issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my temps are

fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the adrenal

support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I have

been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into thyroid

issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of this.

The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

Joy

-----------Joy, Dean seems to understand the adrenal/thyroid connection and

temperatures much better, so hopefully he will help you with that. But if your

adrenal support doesn't seem like enough at 20mg, you could try a higher dose,

but you could also try adding in ACE, if you're not already taking it. I have

been taking both, and it feels like the ACE does something different, and my

adrenals feel more supported overall, and it seems to keep me from thinking

*maybe I need more HC*. I have even had some days when I have only taken 10mg

of HC when taking the higher doses of ACE. So it is something to try, to help

keep your HC dose down, it is helping me.------------Jackie

[Guest guest]

> Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge adrenal

> issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my temps are

> fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the adrenal

> support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I have

> been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into thyroid

> issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of this.

> The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

> Joy

Hi Joy,

Yes, in my opinion you are not on sufficent adrenal support if your daily

AVERAGE temperatures are fluctuating to that degree. They can and do

fluctuate during a day e.g. lower in the morning and then rising, but each

daily overall average should be the same. So, assuming those are you average

temperatures then you need more adrenal support.

I have come to the conlcusion that one should always use HC and and adrenal

glandular together. The cortisol rests the adrenals while the glandualr

repairs the adrenals. I have seen people's temperatures begin to stabalise

when adding the glandular, while on HC they were unstabile. I would try that

before increasing the dose of HC.

Plus there are other ways to support the adrenals and often most need to be

used for at least 3 months, and some longer - biotin, B5, B6, Vit C, Zinc,

Magnesium, pregneolone, fish oils and these should all be used too.

Fish oils (pharmaceutical grade without mercury of course) are vital.

Thankfully someone I know here in SA helped created an electronic

temperature chart to help us all track our temperatures.

She is a quite member of this list also - so thank you :-)

You can download it here and let us know how it works.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/body_temperature.html

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

> Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge adrenal

> issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my temps are

> fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the adrenal

> support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I have

> been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into thyroid

> issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of this.

> The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

> Joy

Hi Joy,

Yes, in my opinion you are not on sufficent adrenal support if your daily

AVERAGE temperatures are fluctuating to that degree. They can and do

fluctuate during a day e.g. lower in the morning and then rising, but each

daily overall average should be the same. So, assuming those are you average

temperatures then you need more adrenal support.

I have come to the conlcusion that one should always use HC and and adrenal

glandular together. The cortisol rests the adrenals while the glandualr

repairs the adrenals. I have seen people's temperatures begin to stabalise

when adding the glandular, while on HC they were unstabile. I would try that

before increasing the dose of HC.

Plus there are other ways to support the adrenals and often most need to be

used for at least 3 months, and some longer - biotin, B5, B6, Vit C, Zinc,

Magnesium, pregneolone, fish oils and these should all be used too.

Fish oils (pharmaceutical grade without mercury of course) are vital.

Thankfully someone I know here in SA helped created an electronic

temperature chart to help us all track our temperatures.

She is a quite member of this list also - so thank you :-)

You can download it here and let us know how it works.

http://www.livingnetwork.co.za/healingnetwork/body_temperature.html

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

Hi Dean,

I need to join in here for some advice. Like Joy, my temps range

from 93 to 97 degees. However, they start out in the 97s and end up

around 93 at night. I haven't seen anyone else that fit this

pattern.

I just had an appointment with a doctor that is reasonably competent

with adrenal and thyroid issues. Saliva testing showed good levels

in the morning and then a big crash at night. Thyroid testing

was " normal, " but the Dr. agrees the ranges are inappropriate among

other reasons to treat anyway. So I am on 1/2 grain of Armor daily (

to increase every 2 weeks) and 320 mg of Adrenal Cortex Extract twice

daily. For the past two weeks of this, my temps haven't dropped

below 95.

The Dr. also put me on an adrenal support supplement with Ginseng,

Cordyceps Mycelium, and Rhodiola Root extract. Any opinions?

I have been taking all of the supplements that you recommended to Joy

for about 2 years. I also have taken prednisolone in long stretches

at 2.5 mg in morning and 2.5 in afternoon. The pred helped energy a

little but not the temps. Do I need more? How much glucocorticoid

effect does the ACE have?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi Dean,

I need to join in here for some advice. Like Joy, my temps range

from 93 to 97 degees. However, they start out in the 97s and end up

around 93 at night. I haven't seen anyone else that fit this

pattern.

I just had an appointment with a doctor that is reasonably competent

with adrenal and thyroid issues. Saliva testing showed good levels

in the morning and then a big crash at night. Thyroid testing

was " normal, " but the Dr. agrees the ranges are inappropriate among

other reasons to treat anyway. So I am on 1/2 grain of Armor daily (

to increase every 2 weeks) and 320 mg of Adrenal Cortex Extract twice

daily. For the past two weeks of this, my temps haven't dropped

below 95.

The Dr. also put me on an adrenal support supplement with Ginseng,

Cordyceps Mycelium, and Rhodiola Root extract. Any opinions?

I have been taking all of the supplements that you recommended to Joy

for about 2 years. I also have taken prednisolone in long stretches

at 2.5 mg in morning and 2.5 in afternoon. The pred helped energy a

little but not the temps. Do I need more? How much glucocorticoid

effect does the ACE have?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi Dean,

I need to join in here for some advice. Like Joy, my temps range

from 93 to 97 degees. However, they start out in the 97s and end up

around 93 at night. I haven't seen anyone else that fit this

pattern.

I just had an appointment with a doctor that is reasonably competent

with adrenal and thyroid issues. Saliva testing showed good levels

in the morning and then a big crash at night. Thyroid testing

was " normal, " but the Dr. agrees the ranges are inappropriate among

other reasons to treat anyway. So I am on 1/2 grain of Armor daily (

to increase every 2 weeks) and 320 mg of Adrenal Cortex Extract twice

daily. For the past two weeks of this, my temps haven't dropped

below 95.

The Dr. also put me on an adrenal support supplement with Ginseng,

Cordyceps Mycelium, and Rhodiola Root extract. Any opinions?

I have been taking all of the supplements that you recommended to Joy

for about 2 years. I also have taken prednisolone in long stretches

at 2.5 mg in morning and 2.5 in afternoon. The pred helped energy a

little but not the temps. Do I need more? How much glucocorticoid

effect does the ACE have?

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

> Hi Dean,

>

> I need to join in here for some advice. Like Joy, my temps range

> from 93 to 97 degees. However, they start out in the 97s and end up

> around 93 at night. I haven't seen anyone else that fit this

> pattern.

Yes, this unusual for me to hear also.

> I just had an appointment with a doctor that is reasonably competent

> with adrenal and thyroid issues. Saliva testing showed good levels

> in the morning and then a big crash at night. Thyroid testing

> was " normal, " but the Dr. agrees the ranges are inappropriate among

> other reasons to treat anyway.

What are the actual results. I've long given up believing even a competent

dr when they say thyroid results are normal.

Yes, clinical symptoms and temperatures are far more important.

>So I am on 1/2 grain of Armor daily (

> to increase every 2 weeks) and 320 mg of Adrenal Cortex Extract twice

> daily. For the past two weeks of this, my temps haven't dropped

> below 95.

Well, that is progress. Tells me that the ACE is supporting your adrenals if

there is less fluctuation. Though you seem to need more thyroid to lift your

temps.

If you can lift them with Armour you'll need to consider ST3.

> The Dr. also put me on an adrenal support supplement with Ginseng,

> Cordyceps Mycelium, and Rhodiola Root extract. Any opinions?

I don't know much at all about the above herbs except for Ginseng. I don't

like it for tired and ill adrenals. I feel it is a good support for healthy

adrenals in times of stress. It boosts the adrenals and I've never seen the

sense in boosting exhausted organs. Rather you need to repair them. Andy

also says (if I remember right) that you should only use Ginseng for a week

at a time so it maintains its effect.

ACE you can be on for long times.

> I have been taking all of the supplements that you recommended to Joy

> for about 2 years. I also have taken prednisolone in long stretches

> at 2.5 mg in morning and 2.5 in afternoon. The pred helped energy a

> little but not the temps. Do I need more?

Why do you take prednisolone instead of HC?

> How much glucocorticoid effect does the ACE have?

I don't know, but clinically it always seems to help better feel better and

have more energy with very few side effects.

I wish we know more about glandulars. What I know is that they do work, and

need to be taken for long periods.

The adrenals need on average 9-18 months of proper support for healing. So

says Teitelbaum and I agree.

Though everyone is individual.

I do think that HC on its own is powerful, bit should be combined with other

nutrients (e.g ACE) to initiate repair.

DeanSA

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Dean,

>

> I need to join in here for some advice. Like Joy, my temps range

> from 93 to 97 degees. However, they start out in the 97s and end up

> around 93 at night. I haven't seen anyone else that fit this

> pattern.

Yes, this unusual for me to hear also.

> I just had an appointment with a doctor that is reasonably competent

> with adrenal and thyroid issues. Saliva testing showed good levels

> in the morning and then a big crash at night. Thyroid testing

> was " normal, " but the Dr. agrees the ranges are inappropriate among

> other reasons to treat anyway.

What are the actual results. I've long given up believing even a competent

dr when they say thyroid results are normal.

Yes, clinical symptoms and temperatures are far more important.

>So I am on 1/2 grain of Armor daily (

> to increase every 2 weeks) and 320 mg of Adrenal Cortex Extract twice

> daily. For the past two weeks of this, my temps haven't dropped

> below 95.

Well, that is progress. Tells me that the ACE is supporting your adrenals if

there is less fluctuation. Though you seem to need more thyroid to lift your

temps.

If you can lift them with Armour you'll need to consider ST3.

> The Dr. also put me on an adrenal support supplement with Ginseng,

> Cordyceps Mycelium, and Rhodiola Root extract. Any opinions?

I don't know much at all about the above herbs except for Ginseng. I don't

like it for tired and ill adrenals. I feel it is a good support for healthy

adrenals in times of stress. It boosts the adrenals and I've never seen the

sense in boosting exhausted organs. Rather you need to repair them. Andy

also says (if I remember right) that you should only use Ginseng for a week

at a time so it maintains its effect.

ACE you can be on for long times.

> I have been taking all of the supplements that you recommended to Joy

> for about 2 years. I also have taken prednisolone in long stretches

> at 2.5 mg in morning and 2.5 in afternoon. The pred helped energy a

> little but not the temps. Do I need more?

Why do you take prednisolone instead of HC?

> How much glucocorticoid effect does the ACE have?

I don't know, but clinically it always seems to help better feel better and

have more energy with very few side effects.

I wish we know more about glandulars. What I know is that they do work, and

need to be taken for long periods.

The adrenals need on average 9-18 months of proper support for healing. So

says Teitelbaum and I agree.

Though everyone is individual.

I do think that HC on its own is powerful, bit should be combined with other

nutrients (e.g ACE) to initiate repair.

DeanSA

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation DeanNetwork wrote:

<< >>

> How much glucocorticoid effect does the ACE have?

I don't know, but clinically it always seems to help better feel better and

have more energy with very few side effects.

I wish we know more about glandulars. What I know is that they do work, and

need to be taken for long periods.

The adrenals need on average 9-18 months of proper support for healing. So

says Teitelbaum and I agree.

Though everyone is individual.

I do think that HC on its own is powerful, bit should be combined with other

nutrients (e.g ACE) to initiate repair.

------------I agree with Dean that the combination of HC and ACE is probably

much more effective at healing the adrenals than either one alone. My

subjective feeling while taking just HC was that it helped supply the cortisol

that I needed, but I never really felt like they got any better. After I

started taking higher doses of ACE, along with the HC, I do get the feeling like

maybe my adrenals are actually getting better or trying to repair. So I agree

that both are important.---------Jackie

DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ------------I agree with Dean that the combination of HC and ACE is

> probably much more effective at healing the adrenals than either one

> alone. My subjective feeling while taking just HC was that it helped

> supply the cortisol that I needed, but I never really felt like they got

> any better. After I started taking higher doses of ACE, along with the

> HC, I do get the feeling like maybe my adrenals are actually getting

> better or trying to repair. So I agree that both are

> important.---------Jackie

Hi Jackie,

Interestingly I think it was Dr Jeffries says in Safe uses of Cortisol that

people on HC still remain stress intolerant despite having cortisol being

supplied. It is my experience that ACE/Isocort/Glandulars seem to make one

more stress tolerant. I put this down to repair of the adrenals taking

place.

Somehow they seem to make the adrenals more responsive to stress, while on

HC you almost have to be ready with the next dose because the adrenals are

almost asleep/resting rather than responding.

I agree with your comments. Both are vital.

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

>

> ------------I agree with Dean that the combination of HC and ACE is

> probably much more effective at healing the adrenals than either one

> alone. My subjective feeling while taking just HC was that it helped

> supply the cortisol that I needed, but I never really felt like they got

> any better. After I started taking higher doses of ACE, along with the

> HC, I do get the feeling like maybe my adrenals are actually getting

> better or trying to repair. So I agree that both are

> important.---------Jackie

Hi Jackie,

Interestingly I think it was Dr Jeffries says in Safe uses of Cortisol that

people on HC still remain stress intolerant despite having cortisol being

supplied. It is my experience that ACE/Isocort/Glandulars seem to make one

more stress tolerant. I put this down to repair of the adrenals taking

place.

Somehow they seem to make the adrenals more responsive to stress, while on

HC you almost have to be ready with the next dose because the adrenals are

almost asleep/resting rather than responding.

I agree with your comments. Both are vital.

Thanks,

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

Sorry to monopolize the forum but hopefully others will be helped

too. Sorry I wasn't clear about my temp readings, but I started

taking them first thing in the morning & they have always been in the

96 range. As I started taking more throughout the day, they seem to

drop considerably, sometimes as low as 92. I think as I begin to take

more frequently, the averages may be close. Therefore, I'm not sure

if this is totally indicitive of adrenal or not. I also added adrenal

glandular (American Biologics) about a month ago and take most of the

supplements. I still haven't added the fish oils (yuck!) but will if

it is that important. I guess my next question is about the adrenal

glandular? I have been reading other posts & it seems that everyone

thinks the ACE is better? Obviously, I will do what it takes to lick

this problem! I plan on making an appt with my doc soon to look at

WTS and see about switching to that protocol. Thank you again Dean -

you are a godsend!

>

>

>

>

> > Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge

adrenal

> > issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my

temps are

> > fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the

adrenal

> > support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I

have

> > been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into

thyroid

> > issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of

this.

> > The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

> > Joy

>

> Hi Joy,

> Yes, in my opinion you are not on sufficent adrenal support if your

daily

> AVERAGE temperatures are fluctuating to that degree. They can and

do

> fluctuate during a day e.g. lower in the morning and then rising,

[Guest guest]

Oops - sorry I started writing my other post before reading these.

Seems you are saying that ACE or glandulars are both beneficial.

Thanks you guys for the conversation - it is so helpful!

Joy

>

>

> >

> > ------------I agree with Dean that the combination of HC and ACE

is

> > probably much more effective at healing the adrenals than either

one

> > alone. My subjective feeling while taking just HC was that it

helped

> > supply the cortisol that I needed, but I never really felt like

they got

> > any better. After I started taking higher doses of ACE, along

with the

> > HC, I do get the feeling like maybe my adrenals are actually

getting

> > better or trying to repair. So I agree that both are

> > important.---------Jackie

>

> Hi Jackie,

> Interestingly I think it was Dr Jeffries says in Safe uses of

Cortisol that

> people on HC still remain stress intolerant despite having cortisol

being

> supplied. It is my experience that ACE/Isocort/Glandulars seem to

make one

> more stress tolerant. I put this down to repair of the adrenals

taking

> place.

> Somehow they seem to make the adrenals more responsive to stress,

while on

> HC you almost have to be ready with the next dose because the

adrenals are

> almost asleep/resting rather than responding.

> I agree with your comments. Both are vital.

> Thanks,

> DeanSA

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation joy480674 wrote:

Sorry to monopolize the forum but hopefully others will be helped

too.

-----------First of all Joy, you are not monopolizing the forum, and second,

this is what we are here for, to help each other! So no apologies necessary.

We all learn from everybody's experiences.-----------Jackie

Sorry I wasn't clear about my temp readings, but I started

taking them first thing in the morning & they have always been in the

96 range. As I started taking more throughout the day, they seem to

drop considerably, sometimes as low as 92. I think as I begin to take

more frequently, the averages may be close. Therefore, I'm not sure

if this is totally indicitive of adrenal or not. I also added adrenal

glandular (American Biologics) about a month ago and take most of the

supplements. I still haven't added the fish oils (yuck!) but will if

it is that important. I guess my next question is about the adrenal

glandular? I have been reading other posts & it seems that everyone

thinks the ACE is better?

------------I don't remember his reasoning, but Andy seems to recommend ACE

over the whole glandular. A search of onibasu might come up with the answer or

his reasons.----------Jackie

Obviously, I will do what it takes to lick

this problem! I plan on making an appt with my doc soon to look at

WTS and see about switching to that protocol. Thank you again Dean -

you are a godsend!

>

>

>

>

> > Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge

adrenal

> > issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my

temps are

> > fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the

adrenal

> > support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I

have

> > been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into

thyroid

> > issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of

this.

> > The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

> > Joy

>

> Hi Joy,

> Yes, in my opinion you are not on sufficent adrenal support if your

daily

> AVERAGE temperatures are fluctuating to that degree. They can and

do

> fluctuate during a day e.g. lower in the morning and then rising,

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation joy480674 wrote:

Sorry to monopolize the forum but hopefully others will be helped

too.

-----------First of all Joy, you are not monopolizing the forum, and second,

this is what we are here for, to help each other! So no apologies necessary.

We all learn from everybody's experiences.-----------Jackie

Sorry I wasn't clear about my temp readings, but I started

taking them first thing in the morning & they have always been in the

96 range. As I started taking more throughout the day, they seem to

drop considerably, sometimes as low as 92. I think as I begin to take

more frequently, the averages may be close. Therefore, I'm not sure

if this is totally indicitive of adrenal or not. I also added adrenal

glandular (American Biologics) about a month ago and take most of the

supplements. I still haven't added the fish oils (yuck!) but will if

it is that important. I guess my next question is about the adrenal

glandular? I have been reading other posts & it seems that everyone

thinks the ACE is better?

------------I don't remember his reasoning, but Andy seems to recommend ACE

over the whole glandular. A search of onibasu might come up with the answer or

his reasons.----------Jackie

Obviously, I will do what it takes to lick

this problem! I plan on making an appt with my doc soon to look at

WTS and see about switching to that protocol. Thank you again Dean -

you are a godsend!

>

>

>

>

> > Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge

adrenal

> > issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my

temps are

> > fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the

adrenal

> > support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I

have

> > been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into

thyroid

> > issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of

this.

> > The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

> > Joy

>

> Hi Joy,

> Yes, in my opinion you are not on sufficent adrenal support if your

daily

> AVERAGE temperatures are fluctuating to that degree. They can and

do

> fluctuate during a day e.g. lower in the morning and then rising,

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation joy480674 wrote:

Sorry to monopolize the forum but hopefully others will be helped

too.

-----------First of all Joy, you are not monopolizing the forum, and second,

this is what we are here for, to help each other! So no apologies necessary.

We all learn from everybody's experiences.-----------Jackie

Sorry I wasn't clear about my temp readings, but I started

taking them first thing in the morning & they have always been in the

96 range. As I started taking more throughout the day, they seem to

drop considerably, sometimes as low as 92. I think as I begin to take

more frequently, the averages may be close. Therefore, I'm not sure

if this is totally indicitive of adrenal or not. I also added adrenal

glandular (American Biologics) about a month ago and take most of the

supplements. I still haven't added the fish oils (yuck!) but will if

it is that important. I guess my next question is about the adrenal

glandular? I have been reading other posts & it seems that everyone

thinks the ACE is better?

------------I don't remember his reasoning, but Andy seems to recommend ACE

over the whole glandular. A search of onibasu might come up with the answer or

his reasons.----------Jackie

Obviously, I will do what it takes to lick

this problem! I plan on making an appt with my doc soon to look at

WTS and see about switching to that protocol. Thank you again Dean -

you are a godsend!

>

>

>

>

> > Dean, I forgot to ask one more thing - I know that I have huge

adrenal

> > issues & as I mentioned that I'm taking 20mg HC too. Since my

temps are

> > fluctuating (from as low as 92's to 96's) I'm wondering if the

adrenal

> > support is adequate enough to be addressing the thyroid stuff? I

have

> > been on HC for 4 months now (without much relief) & got into

thyroid

> > issues because I felt that might be the missing link in all of

this.

> > The balance of both seems to be so tricky! Thanks again,

> > Joy

>

> Hi Joy,

> Yes, in my opinion you are not on sufficent adrenal support if your

daily

> AVERAGE temperatures are fluctuating to that degree. They can and

do

> fluctuate during a day e.g. lower in the morning and then rising,