Re: DMSA challenge test? Maybe take less ?

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Sheila,

> >

> > I took a dose of 500mg DMPS for my challenge test and it was a

> HUUUGE disaster! I was brainfogged beyond compehension for months,

> and it took what seemed like forever to get back to baseline. It was

> deceiving because I felt pretty good the day I took it, it took

> several days before I started going brain dead and kept getting worse

> and worse, it was scary. I'll never ever do a challenge test again,

> I think they are dangerous and the results are not even meaningful.

> >

> > Marcia

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

/Sheila

What about this..I think this is what you, Sheila are asking/

Proposing

ISSUE A_ need to take much less dmsa to avoid problems

-------------------------------------------------

On one hand I can kinda understand what Sheila is getting at,

Fool the moron doctor (shoudn't be too hard), by not taking any dmsa

or taking much less. The point is Sheila that you would/should have

to take much less of a dosage to possibly not screw yourself up..like

maybe under 10 mgs to start...A lot of people on this forum who are

very toxic start at 6 mgs (1/4 of a 25 mgs tablet). You can order

these from a few places that are OTC and have 25 mgs tablets

ISSUE B_ assume you take the test w/Low Dosage and tests show Nothing

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok so you take the challenge test with 6-10 mgs of DMSA and no

mercury toxicity results shows. Maybe you should walk through this

test result scenario with DR Moron (sorry as you can probably tell

I have a tremendously low respect for most/all doctors)..That is tell

him you have read that sometimes challenge tests show little mercury

so what now DR M??? Do you stil treat me or do I walk? If he says I

cannot treat you since no mercury was shown, it probably means

you are doing the challenge for nothing and should consider a new

line of getting your tests done

ISSUE C:getting tests done ( sorry can you confirm/add to this)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

As says most tests can be done on your own. But I do think some

tests need a dr's request, But I am not sure about this

** amino acids??

** liver metabolism tests

** Adrenal (can be done on your own I believe)

** hair tests (can be done on your own)

** other blood tests (may need a dr)..ie for vitamin D, blood sugar

Issue D " The need to involve a Doctor FOR tests

--------------------------------------

I sort of know what you are going through with wanting/needing a doc

to do these tests. I went through this initially and thought geez i

need someone nearby to help me with this stuff...Before I knew it

this doc (and she was a lady which surprises me as they are much more

non dick-headish), is pushing her darn supps and treatments and has

me off track from the protocol...So I quit the DMD (Damn moronic drs).

I was lucky enough to be close to BUT realize this may

not work for you

Another way you might do this which is what I sorta did, and that was

get the tests done before you get too involved with this dr... Once I

realized it was her agenda that she was going to treat me on and not

mine, I gave up on her but I was going to get what I wanted first..IE

The tests

Just tell Him (I presume its a him) that you want to get a few more

tests done before you embark on any challenge tests ....AI and

reading the forum can help you with this Ie what tests are

recommended (see AI page sorry i do not have the book with me but

there are a few pages that cover this)...Tell him you think its a

good idea to see what else is going on so he can provide a more

thorough treatment plan...Appeal to his EGO

I think in most states they have to give you copies of these. get

what you need from this Dr M and then its hasta la vista baby

I think this is what suggests, go to any old dr OR THIS DOCTOR

and GET WHAT YOU WANT AND NEED... NOT WHAT DR M WANTS TO GIVE YOU

ISSUE E: You have to become your own Dr in effect

------------------------------------------------

The reality is that most of us (if very toxic) have a myriad of

problems that one dr cannot fix as he would need to be probably only

treating 5 patients like us as our symptoms are so vast

This is the good news and the bad news...The good news is there

is no one that knows what ails you better than you. AI and this

forum on " one day " gives me more insight into how to go about this

protocol and treatment, than a weeks worth of Doctor appts

Issue F

---------

Sorry I do not know about the 300 mgs of Glycine and 10 mgs of Uro

Cit..I suggest you take a look at AI and do a search on this forum

or the internet for these products OR ask DR M , what it is they are

supposed to do

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " "

wrote:

>

Sheila wrote:

- The doctor also wants me to take 3000mg of glycine and 10 meg of Uro

- Cit K upon arising in the morning

>

wrote

> These aren't going to protect you from the damage that the challenge

> dose would do.

>

Sheila wrote

-before I do the challenge of 500mg DMSA.

LInda wrote

> > Did you take this also when you did the challenge?

Sheila wrote

- I am wondering if I could get by with taking less DMSA for challenge

- (the doc does not need to know if I took all of it) Would I still

- show excretion of metals? He is the only doc around that I can use

- for the labs.

wwote

> The risk of the damage that this procedure can cause to you is not

> worth it for any doctor.

>

> There is no need for special labs. You can go to any regular old

> doctor, not even tell him/her that you are chelating and ask for

> whatever lab tests it is that you want.

>

> There is no need to follow chelation with urine tests, if that is

> what you are thinking, and urine tests are useless for following

> progress anyway.

>

> If there are certain tests that you want, most can be obtained over

> the internet, for example www.directlabs.com, and thyroid tests

> through the canary club.

>

> I wouldn't bother with this doctor. Who wants a doctor who is going

> to harm the patient.

>

> J

[Guest guest]

/Sheila

What about this..I think this is what you, Sheila are asking/

Proposing

ISSUE A_ need to take much less dmsa to avoid problems

-------------------------------------------------

On one hand I can kinda understand what Sheila is getting at,

Fool the moron doctor (shoudn't be too hard), by not taking any dmsa

or taking much less. The point is Sheila that you would/should have

to take much less of a dosage to possibly not screw yourself up..like

maybe under 10 mgs to start...A lot of people on this forum who are

very toxic start at 6 mgs (1/4 of a 25 mgs tablet). You can order

these from a few places that are OTC and have 25 mgs tablets

ISSUE B_ assume you take the test w/Low Dosage and tests show Nothing

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok so you take the challenge test with 6-10 mgs of DMSA and no

mercury toxicity results shows. Maybe you should walk through this

test result scenario with DR Moron (sorry as you can probably tell

I have a tremendously low respect for most/all doctors)..That is tell

him you have read that sometimes challenge tests show little mercury

so what now DR M??? Do you stil treat me or do I walk? If he says I

cannot treat you since no mercury was shown, it probably means

you are doing the challenge for nothing and should consider a new

line of getting your tests done

ISSUE C:getting tests done ( sorry can you confirm/add to this)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

As says most tests can be done on your own. But I do think some

tests need a dr's request, But I am not sure about this

** amino acids??

** liver metabolism tests

** Adrenal (can be done on your own I believe)

** hair tests (can be done on your own)

** other blood tests (may need a dr)..ie for vitamin D, blood sugar

Issue D " The need to involve a Doctor FOR tests

--------------------------------------

I sort of know what you are going through with wanting/needing a doc

to do these tests. I went through this initially and thought geez i

need someone nearby to help me with this stuff...Before I knew it

this doc (and she was a lady which surprises me as they are much more

non dick-headish), is pushing her darn supps and treatments and has

me off track from the protocol...So I quit the DMD (Damn moronic drs).

I was lucky enough to be close to BUT realize this may

not work for you

Another way you might do this which is what I sorta did, and that was

get the tests done before you get too involved with this dr... Once I

realized it was her agenda that she was going to treat me on and not

mine, I gave up on her but I was going to get what I wanted first..IE

The tests

Just tell Him (I presume its a him) that you want to get a few more

tests done before you embark on any challenge tests ....AI and

reading the forum can help you with this Ie what tests are

recommended (see AI page sorry i do not have the book with me but

there are a few pages that cover this)...Tell him you think its a

good idea to see what else is going on so he can provide a more

thorough treatment plan...Appeal to his EGO

I think in most states they have to give you copies of these. get

what you need from this Dr M and then its hasta la vista baby

I think this is what suggests, go to any old dr OR THIS DOCTOR

and GET WHAT YOU WANT AND NEED... NOT WHAT DR M WANTS TO GIVE YOU

ISSUE E: You have to become your own Dr in effect

------------------------------------------------

The reality is that most of us (if very toxic) have a myriad of

problems that one dr cannot fix as he would need to be probably only

treating 5 patients like us as our symptoms are so vast

This is the good news and the bad news...The good news is there

is no one that knows what ails you better than you. AI and this

forum on " one day " gives me more insight into how to go about this

protocol and treatment, than a weeks worth of Doctor appts

Issue F

---------

Sorry I do not know about the 300 mgs of Glycine and 10 mgs of Uro

Cit..I suggest you take a look at AI and do a search on this forum

or the internet for these products OR ask DR M , what it is they are

supposed to do

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " "

wrote:

>

Sheila wrote:

- The doctor also wants me to take 3000mg of glycine and 10 meg of Uro

- Cit K upon arising in the morning

>

wrote

> These aren't going to protect you from the damage that the challenge

> dose would do.

>

Sheila wrote

-before I do the challenge of 500mg DMSA.

LInda wrote

> > Did you take this also when you did the challenge?

Sheila wrote

- I am wondering if I could get by with taking less DMSA for challenge

- (the doc does not need to know if I took all of it) Would I still

- show excretion of metals? He is the only doc around that I can use

- for the labs.

wwote

> The risk of the damage that this procedure can cause to you is not

> worth it for any doctor.

>

> There is no need for special labs. You can go to any regular old

> doctor, not even tell him/her that you are chelating and ask for

> whatever lab tests it is that you want.

>

> There is no need to follow chelation with urine tests, if that is

> what you are thinking, and urine tests are useless for following

> progress anyway.

>

> If there are certain tests that you want, most can be obtained over

> the internet, for example www.directlabs.com, and thyroid tests

> through the canary club.

>

> I wouldn't bother with this doctor. Who wants a doctor who is going

> to harm the patient.

>

> J

[Guest guest]

/Sheila

What about this..I think this is what you, Sheila are asking/

Proposing

ISSUE A_ need to take much less dmsa to avoid problems

-------------------------------------------------

On one hand I can kinda understand what Sheila is getting at,

Fool the moron doctor (shoudn't be too hard), by not taking any dmsa

or taking much less. The point is Sheila that you would/should have

to take much less of a dosage to possibly not screw yourself up..like

maybe under 10 mgs to start...A lot of people on this forum who are

very toxic start at 6 mgs (1/4 of a 25 mgs tablet). You can order

these from a few places that are OTC and have 25 mgs tablets

ISSUE B_ assume you take the test w/Low Dosage and tests show Nothing

-------------------------------------------------------------------

Ok so you take the challenge test with 6-10 mgs of DMSA and no

mercury toxicity results shows. Maybe you should walk through this

test result scenario with DR Moron (sorry as you can probably tell

I have a tremendously low respect for most/all doctors)..That is tell

him you have read that sometimes challenge tests show little mercury

so what now DR M??? Do you stil treat me or do I walk? If he says I

cannot treat you since no mercury was shown, it probably means

you are doing the challenge for nothing and should consider a new

line of getting your tests done

ISSUE C:getting tests done ( sorry can you confirm/add to this)

--------------------------------------------------------------------

As says most tests can be done on your own. But I do think some

tests need a dr's request, But I am not sure about this

** amino acids??

** liver metabolism tests

** Adrenal (can be done on your own I believe)

** hair tests (can be done on your own)

** other blood tests (may need a dr)..ie for vitamin D, blood sugar

Issue D " The need to involve a Doctor FOR tests

--------------------------------------

I sort of know what you are going through with wanting/needing a doc

to do these tests. I went through this initially and thought geez i

need someone nearby to help me with this stuff...Before I knew it

this doc (and she was a lady which surprises me as they are much more

non dick-headish), is pushing her darn supps and treatments and has

me off track from the protocol...So I quit the DMD (Damn moronic drs).

I was lucky enough to be close to BUT realize this may

not work for you

Another way you might do this which is what I sorta did, and that was

get the tests done before you get too involved with this dr... Once I

realized it was her agenda that she was going to treat me on and not

mine, I gave up on her but I was going to get what I wanted first..IE

The tests

Just tell Him (I presume its a him) that you want to get a few more

tests done before you embark on any challenge tests ....AI and

reading the forum can help you with this Ie what tests are

recommended (see AI page sorry i do not have the book with me but

there are a few pages that cover this)...Tell him you think its a

good idea to see what else is going on so he can provide a more

thorough treatment plan...Appeal to his EGO

I think in most states they have to give you copies of these. get

what you need from this Dr M and then its hasta la vista baby

I think this is what suggests, go to any old dr OR THIS DOCTOR

and GET WHAT YOU WANT AND NEED... NOT WHAT DR M WANTS TO GIVE YOU

ISSUE E: You have to become your own Dr in effect

------------------------------------------------

The reality is that most of us (if very toxic) have a myriad of

problems that one dr cannot fix as he would need to be probably only

treating 5 patients like us as our symptoms are so vast

This is the good news and the bad news...The good news is there

is no one that knows what ails you better than you. AI and this

forum on " one day " gives me more insight into how to go about this

protocol and treatment, than a weeks worth of Doctor appts

Issue F

---------

Sorry I do not know about the 300 mgs of Glycine and 10 mgs of Uro

Cit..I suggest you take a look at AI and do a search on this forum

or the internet for these products OR ask DR M , what it is they are

supposed to do

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " "

wrote:

>

Sheila wrote:

- The doctor also wants me to take 3000mg of glycine and 10 meg of Uro

- Cit K upon arising in the morning

>

wrote

> These aren't going to protect you from the damage that the challenge

> dose would do.

>

Sheila wrote

-before I do the challenge of 500mg DMSA.

LInda wrote

> > Did you take this also when you did the challenge?

Sheila wrote

- I am wondering if I could get by with taking less DMSA for challenge

- (the doc does not need to know if I took all of it) Would I still

- show excretion of metals? He is the only doc around that I can use

- for the labs.

wwote

> The risk of the damage that this procedure can cause to you is not

> worth it for any doctor.

>

> There is no need for special labs. You can go to any regular old

> doctor, not even tell him/her that you are chelating and ask for

> whatever lab tests it is that you want.

>

> There is no need to follow chelation with urine tests, if that is

> what you are thinking, and urine tests are useless for following

> progress anyway.

>

> If there are certain tests that you want, most can be obtained over

> the internet, for example www.directlabs.com, and thyroid tests

> through the canary club.

>

> I wouldn't bother with this doctor. Who wants a doctor who is going

> to harm the patient.

>

> J

[Guest guest]

---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

In frequent-dose-chelation , " Marcia "

wrote:

>

>

> > -The doctor also wants me to take 3000mg of glycine and 10 meg

of Uro

> > Cit K upon arising in the morning

>

> These aren't going to protect you from the damage that the

challenge

> dose would do.

>

>

>

> ********* thats a fact. I had a myers IV cocktail when I did my

challenge test, IV C and it did NOTHING to protect me from months of

misery from that test.

>

>

> The risk of the damage that this procedure can cause to you is not

> worth it for any doctor.

>

>

>

> The thing is, the results you will get dont' really mean anything

anyway! If you are not able to excrete properly, its not even going

to show much of the mercury coming out and they are going to use that

test against you to say you don't have a mercury problem when indeed

that could really indicate a more severe one!

>

> I wouldn't bother with this doctor. Who wants a doctor who is

going

> to harm the patient.

>

>

>

> I totally agree with on this, why PAY Drs that don't know

enough not to hurt you. I've been there, its NOT worth it, they took

money I could have used to be much further along in the merc removal

and getting to chelation process. The more I've read and studied

(which you need to do much more of so you will recognize harmful

treatments when you hear/see them) the less I will trust any Dr. to

work with me doing chelation. I've had closed friends severely harmed

by doing high dose dma with amalgams in. This is serious stuff, how

important is having your brain?

>

>

>

> Marcia

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, this is what the mom's on A-M do.

>

> ---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

> days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

> my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

> have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

> would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you think I should do more than 10mg? Thanks sheila

> >

> > ---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

> > days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

> > my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

> > have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

> > would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Do you think I should do more than 10mg? Thanks sheila

> >

> > ---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

> > days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

> > my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

> > have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

> > would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila, we usually recommend people start with 12.5mg of DMSA. That is half a

capsule, so easy to split, would be much easier than trying to figure 10mg.

Trying to start out higher, like at 25mg would be a crap shoot. Some people

would do fine, and others wouldn't. Some people even find 12.5mg too much, and

start at half of that, or about 6mg. I felt good at 12.5mg for starting. 25mg

was too much. So sorry to say, but nobody is going to be able to predict how

much you will tolerate for your starting dose.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation thedyes wrote:

Do you think I should do more than 10mg? Thanks sheila

> >

> > ---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

> > days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

> > my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

> > have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

> > would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila, we usually recommend people start with 12.5mg of DMSA. That is half a

capsule, so easy to split, would be much easier than trying to figure 10mg.

Trying to start out higher, like at 25mg would be a crap shoot. Some people

would do fine, and others wouldn't. Some people even find 12.5mg too much, and

start at half of that, or about 6mg. I felt good at 12.5mg for starting. 25mg

was too much. So sorry to say, but nobody is going to be able to predict how

much you will tolerate for your starting dose.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation thedyes wrote:

Do you think I should do more than 10mg? Thanks sheila

> >

> > ---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

> > days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

> > my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

> > have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

> > would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila, we usually recommend people start with 12.5mg of DMSA. That is half a

capsule, so easy to split, would be much easier than trying to figure 10mg.

Trying to start out higher, like at 25mg would be a crap shoot. Some people

would do fine, and others wouldn't. Some people even find 12.5mg too much, and

start at half of that, or about 6mg. I felt good at 12.5mg for starting. 25mg

was too much. So sorry to say, but nobody is going to be able to predict how

much you will tolerate for your starting dose.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation thedyes wrote:

Do you think I should do more than 10mg? Thanks sheila

> >

> > ---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

> > days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

> > my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

> > have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

> > would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila, are you supposed to collect urine for 6 hours? Some are for 24 hours,

that's why I'm asking. But I believe the recommendation is to start collecting

the urine on the morning of the 3rd day on round, while you are still taking the

chelator. You don't wait till you stop taking it. I believe this gives you the

best chance of hopefully catching some metals coming out.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation thedyes wrote:

---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

In frequent-dose-chelation , " Marcia "

wrote:

>

>

> > -The doctor also wants me to take 3000mg of glycine and 10 meg

of Uro

> > Cit K upon arising in the morning

>

> These aren't going to protect you from the damage that the

challenge

> dose would do.

>

>

>

> ********* thats a fact. I had a myers IV cocktail when I did my

challenge test, IV C and it did NOTHING to protect me from months of

misery from that test.

>

>

> The risk of the damage that this procedure can cause to you is not

> worth it for any doctor.

>

>

>

> The thing is, the results you will get dont' really mean anything

anyway! If you are not able to excrete properly, its not even going

to show much of the mercury coming out and they are going to use that

test against you to say you don't have a mercury problem when indeed

that could really indicate a more severe one!

>

> I wouldn't bother with this doctor. Who wants a doctor who is

going

> to harm the patient.

>

>

>

> I totally agree with on this, why PAY Drs that don't know

enough not to hurt you. I've been there, its NOT worth it, they took

money I could have used to be much further along in the merc removal

and getting to chelation process. The more I've read and studied

(which you need to do much more of so you will recognize harmful

treatments when you hear/see them) the less I will trust any Dr. to

work with me doing chelation. I've had closed friends severely harmed

by doing high dose dma with amalgams in. This is serious stuff, how

important is having your brain?

>

>

>

> Marcia

>

[Guest guest]

Sheila, are you supposed to collect urine for 6 hours? Some are for 24 hours,

that's why I'm asking. But I believe the recommendation is to start collecting

the urine on the morning of the 3rd day on round, while you are still taking the

chelator. You don't wait till you stop taking it. I believe this gives you the

best chance of hopefully catching some metals coming out.--------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation thedyes wrote:

---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I take

my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out? I

have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if this

would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

In frequent-dose-chelation , " Marcia "

wrote:

>

>

> > -The doctor also wants me to take 3000mg of glycine and 10 meg

of Uro

> > Cit K upon arising in the morning

>

> These aren't going to protect you from the damage that the

challenge

> dose would do.

>

>

>

> ********* thats a fact. I had a myers IV cocktail when I did my

challenge test, IV C and it did NOTHING to protect me from months of

misery from that test.

>

>

> The risk of the damage that this procedure can cause to you is not

> worth it for any doctor.

>

>

>

> The thing is, the results you will get dont' really mean anything

anyway! If you are not able to excrete properly, its not even going

to show much of the mercury coming out and they are going to use that

test against you to say you don't have a mercury problem when indeed

that could really indicate a more severe one!

>

> I wouldn't bother with this doctor. Who wants a doctor who is

going

> to harm the patient.

>

>

>

> I totally agree with on this, why PAY Drs that don't know

enough not to hurt you. I've been there, its NOT worth it, they took

money I could have used to be much further along in the merc removal

and getting to chelation process. The more I've read and studied

(which you need to do much more of so you will recognize harmful

treatments when you hear/see them) the less I will trust any Dr. to

work with me doing chelation. I've had closed friends severely harmed

by doing high dose dma with amalgams in. This is serious stuff, how

important is having your brain?

>

>

>

> Marcia

>

[Guest guest]

This is a 6 hour urine test. So if I start on Friday afternoon, I

should test on Sunday morning after my first morning urine- then for

6 hrs. The round will end Monday. Do you think this will show any

metals at all? Since this will be my first round. Does taking 500mg

all at once release alot more metals in your urine? Thanks Sheila

>

> ---What if I did a round of dmsa 10mg every three hours for three

> days and night then on the last day after I take my last dmsa I

take

> my urine every six hours. Would this show any metals coming out?

I

> have already paid for the challenge test so I was wondering if

this

> would work instead? this would be my first round. Thanks Sheila

>