Re: sulfate supplementation - no, not necessarily.

[Guest guest]

Sunny -

You may want to check message 57707.

Given your son's reaction to salicylates, this doesn't really tell you

anything about sulfate. It could be that your son has a lot and that it

is not being used (which means restrict salycilates and phenolics and

take _no_ sulfate), or that it is inadequate (which also means restrict

salycilates and phenolics, but take lots of sulfate). It could also

mean that sulfate is normal but is being inadequately used (again,

restrict salycilates and phenoics and taken no sulfate).

So, do not give him sulfate on the basis of this dietary observation.

Do restrict salicylates though.

I know that the GSDL (now Genov) test for cysteine does not appear to be

reflecting clinical response, but what about the test for plasma

sulfate? Anyone know? If it is still looking like it works, you might

want to at least get this test.

Dave.

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sfhsuperman http://profiles.yahoo.com/sfhsuperman>

Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:06 pm (PDT)

Hello, My 10 year old son reacts to fruits and vegetables rich in

salicylates, and I read the following passage in the Files

section,Could some one shed some light on how to do sulfate

supplementation.

" The sulfation pathway removes certain chemicals such as salicylates

and some others. People who are sensitive to salicylates will find

that restricting them in diet and increasing sulfate supplementation

will be beneficial "

Thanks in advance!!!

Sunny

[Guest guest]

It's certainly ok to try it, but dont' expect that the data on his food

needs means that it will necessarily help. Indeed, it could make the

situation worse.

The situation is very much like cysteine. For some of us, it helps, for

others it makes the situation dramatically worse. We used to be able to

tell via the plasma cysteine test, but no longer. Along with plasma

cysteine, Andy had been recommending plasma sulfate. I don't know what

he recommends now to identify whether a person is high/low or normal

sulfate.

Anyone up to date on this?

Dave.

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stevie_94306 http://profiles.yahoo.com/stevie_94306>

Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:52 pm (PDT)

>

> Sunny -

>

> You may want to check message 57707.

>

> Given your son's reaction to salicylates, this doesn't really tell you

> anything about sulfate. It could be that your son has a lot and that it

> is not being used (which means restrict salycilates and phenolics and

> take _no_ sulfate),

I think it is fine to try epsom salt baths/creams if a person

reacts to salicylates. It can help a lot in some cases and is

well worth a try. Also a good way to get more magnesium.

Molybdenum supplementation might also help and is recommended

for mercury toxic people for other reasons.

As far as I know, there is no harm that comes directly from

too much sulfate. I haven't seen anything in archives or in

the book to indicate this, please let me know if I've forgotten

or missed something.

or that it is inadequate (which also means restrict

> salycilates and phenolics, but take lots of sulfate). It could also

> mean that sulfate is normal but is being inadequately used (again,

> restrict salycilates and phenoics and taken no sulfate).

>

> So, do not give him sulfate on the basis of this dietary observation.

I think parents do this often with ASD kids and it should be

fine for adults to try, too. It shouldn't be necessary to know

the sulfate level first.

Improvement in salicylate-related symptoms with use of epsom salts

would demonstrate that sulfate is being used, I think. You might

have to give it a little time to see improvement and sometimes there

can be initial symptoms when you start (which can be alleviated by

using less salts).

> Do restrict salicylates though.

I agree this is a good idea, although the degree of restriction

might vary depending on how much benefit a person gets from

epsom salts and molyb supplementation. Some dietary infractions

might be okay if these treatments help the symptoms.

> I know that the GSDL (now Genov) test for cysteine does not appear to be

> reflecting clinical response, but what about the test for plasma

> sulfate? Anyone know? If it is still looking like it works, you might

> want to at least get this test.

You will find Andy's comments about this in amc archives. He said

serum sulfate is probably useful.

Personally, after talking on the phone with Genova labs people

a few times, it makes me want to never give them my money.

--

> Dave.

[Guest guest]

It's certainly ok to try it, but dont' expect that the data on his food

needs means that it will necessarily help. Indeed, it could make the

situation worse.

The situation is very much like cysteine. For some of us, it helps, for

others it makes the situation dramatically worse. We used to be able to

tell via the plasma cysteine test, but no longer. Along with plasma

cysteine, Andy had been recommending plasma sulfate. I don't know what

he recommends now to identify whether a person is high/low or normal

sulfate.

Anyone up to date on this?

Dave.

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Posted by: " " sage@...

sage@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20sulfate%20supplementation%20-%20no%2C%2\

0not%20necessarily%2E>

stevie_94306 http://profiles.yahoo.com/stevie_94306>

Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:52 pm (PDT)

>

> Sunny -

>

> You may want to check message 57707.

>

> Given your son's reaction to salicylates, this doesn't really tell you

> anything about sulfate. It could be that your son has a lot and that it

> is not being used (which means restrict salycilates and phenolics and

> take _no_ sulfate),

I think it is fine to try epsom salt baths/creams if a person

reacts to salicylates. It can help a lot in some cases and is

well worth a try. Also a good way to get more magnesium.

Molybdenum supplementation might also help and is recommended

for mercury toxic people for other reasons.

As far as I know, there is no harm that comes directly from

too much sulfate. I haven't seen anything in archives or in

the book to indicate this, please let me know if I've forgotten

or missed something.

or that it is inadequate (which also means restrict

> salycilates and phenolics, but take lots of sulfate). It could also

> mean that sulfate is normal but is being inadequately used (again,

> restrict salycilates and phenoics and taken no sulfate).

>

> So, do not give him sulfate on the basis of this dietary observation.

I think parents do this often with ASD kids and it should be

fine for adults to try, too. It shouldn't be necessary to know

the sulfate level first.

Improvement in salicylate-related symptoms with use of epsom salts

would demonstrate that sulfate is being used, I think. You might

have to give it a little time to see improvement and sometimes there

can be initial symptoms when you start (which can be alleviated by

using less salts).

> Do restrict salicylates though.

I agree this is a good idea, although the degree of restriction

might vary depending on how much benefit a person gets from

epsom salts and molyb supplementation. Some dietary infractions

might be okay if these treatments help the symptoms.

> I know that the GSDL (now Genov) test for cysteine does not appear to be

> reflecting clinical response, but what about the test for plasma

> sulfate? Anyone know? If it is still looking like it works, you might

> want to at least get this test.

You will find Andy's comments about this in amc archives. He said

serum sulfate is probably useful.

Personally, after talking on the phone with Genova labs people

a few times, it makes me want to never give them my money.

--

> Dave.