Re: Chelate or not to chelate!!!

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> Hello All,

> Few days ago,I got my four amalgams out, currently I am taking milk

> thistle 2x, b- complex 1 cap, vitamin C with bioflavnoids 500mg 1x.

With time you may want to increase those and divide to 3 or 4 times a

day. See " Amalgam Illness " for the other basic supplements. I

immediately notice that Mg, Zn and essential oils are not there, are

needed, and I'm probably missing some without going to the book to check.

> After reading possible side effects of DMSA amd DMPS I am really

> having second thoughts;

Remember that the possible side effects occur because of the metals

that the chelators move. The side effects can easily be controlled by

decreasing the dose of chelators and thus moving less metals. This is

something that most people get confused about. Many start chelating

with doses of chelators that are too high, get side effects, and then

throw up their hands in despair, when all they needed to do was lower

the chelator dose. This is also the major reason why we suggest

starting at doses of 12.5 mg per dose. It is not likely that there

will be side effects at such a low dose and for the few people that do

have side effects, they shouldn't be too extreme, and they can lower

the dose to 5 mg or so.

I started DMSA at 25 mg per dose. The side effects scared me because

they were brain related. It took a _whole_year_ for me to figure out

to lower the dose. At 18 mg the side effects were manageable and at

12.5 mg the side effects were __nothing__.

Sorry to go on about this.....

> however , for ALA Ihave to wait 3 months.

> My question is why it is so important to chelate using any of this????

> Is my body not going to heal by itself??? Since I have removed the

> major load from the system.

>

Our bodies are not designed to remove heavy metals in the kind of

doses that we get exposed to in our modern world. It is possible that

your body will slowly start to remove some. It is also possible that

your body won't be able to remove any metals at all because the

existence of the metals in the body interferes with the enzymes and

processes that excrete toxins. It is sort of like the more toxic

person _can't_ remove metals until some metals are removed and for

them proper chelation is the only hope.

Even for bodies that can remove some metals - the removal doesn't

happen very fast so it is not likely that much will be removed in the

person's lifetime. There is almost _no_ natural clearance of metals

from the brain, some people have even less ability to clear metals

from the brain because of genetics, so anyone who wants any hope to

remove metals from the brain has to chelate, and has to chelate with

ALA on a proper 3 h schedule. It may not be clear right now what the

metals in the brain are doing. Removing them would reduce the risk of

developing some degenerative diseases in the future.

J

> Thanks in advance!!!

> Sunny

>

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>

> Hello All,

> Few days ago,I got my four amalgams out, currently I am taking milk

> thistle 2x, b- complex 1 cap, vitamin C with bioflavnoids 500mg 1x.

With time you may want to increase those and divide to 3 or 4 times a

day. See " Amalgam Illness " for the other basic supplements. I

immediately notice that Mg, Zn and essential oils are not there, are

needed, and I'm probably missing some without going to the book to check.

> After reading possible side effects of DMSA amd DMPS I am really

> having second thoughts;

Remember that the possible side effects occur because of the metals

that the chelators move. The side effects can easily be controlled by

decreasing the dose of chelators and thus moving less metals. This is

something that most people get confused about. Many start chelating

with doses of chelators that are too high, get side effects, and then

throw up their hands in despair, when all they needed to do was lower

the chelator dose. This is also the major reason why we suggest

starting at doses of 12.5 mg per dose. It is not likely that there

will be side effects at such a low dose and for the few people that do

have side effects, they shouldn't be too extreme, and they can lower

the dose to 5 mg or so.

I started DMSA at 25 mg per dose. The side effects scared me because

they were brain related. It took a _whole_year_ for me to figure out

to lower the dose. At 18 mg the side effects were manageable and at

12.5 mg the side effects were __nothing__.

Sorry to go on about this.....

> however , for ALA Ihave to wait 3 months.

> My question is why it is so important to chelate using any of this????

> Is my body not going to heal by itself??? Since I have removed the

> major load from the system.

>

Our bodies are not designed to remove heavy metals in the kind of

doses that we get exposed to in our modern world. It is possible that

your body will slowly start to remove some. It is also possible that

your body won't be able to remove any metals at all because the

existence of the metals in the body interferes with the enzymes and

processes that excrete toxins. It is sort of like the more toxic

person _can't_ remove metals until some metals are removed and for

them proper chelation is the only hope.

Even for bodies that can remove some metals - the removal doesn't

happen very fast so it is not likely that much will be removed in the

person's lifetime. There is almost _no_ natural clearance of metals

from the brain, some people have even less ability to clear metals

from the brain because of genetics, so anyone who wants any hope to

remove metals from the brain has to chelate, and has to chelate with

ALA on a proper 3 h schedule. It may not be clear right now what the

metals in the brain are doing. Removing them would reduce the risk of

developing some degenerative diseases in the future.

J

> Thanks in advance!!!

> Sunny

>

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>

> Hello All,

> Few days ago,I got my four amalgams out, currently I am taking milk

> thistle 2x, b- complex 1 cap, vitamin C with bioflavnoids 500mg 1x.

> After reading possible side effects of DMSA amd DMPS I am really

> having second thoughts; however , for ALA Ihave to wait 3 months.

> My question is why it is so important to chelate using any of this????

> Is my body not going to heal by itself??? Since I have removed the

> major load from the system.

Sunny,

Some people do feel fine after amalgam removal and others don't, but I

think it is too early to say in your case.

Andy has commented on the decision to not chelate after amalgam removal:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120331.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82494.html

See also the sections under " Starting Chelation " in this wiki page for

other relevant information (e.g. the 3 month rule and doing trial rounds):

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

As far as side effects go, DMSA and DMPS are a walk in a part compared

to ALA for many people. What sorts of worries are you having? I would

clarify if it related to frequent low dose chelation (Cutler's

protocol) or the more common high infrequent doses used by doctors.

I would increase Vitamin C intake by a lot more if you can tolerate

it. 3-10 grams for example.

Jay

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>

> Hello All,

> Few days ago,I got my four amalgams out, currently I am taking milk

> thistle 2x, b- complex 1 cap, vitamin C with bioflavnoids 500mg 1x.

> After reading possible side effects of DMSA amd DMPS I am really

> having second thoughts; however , for ALA Ihave to wait 3 months.

> My question is why it is so important to chelate using any of this????

> Is my body not going to heal by itself??? Since I have removed the

> major load from the system.

Sunny,

Some people do feel fine after amalgam removal and others don't, but I

think it is too early to say in your case.

Andy has commented on the decision to not chelate after amalgam removal:

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/120331.html

http://onibasu.com/archives/am/82494.html

See also the sections under " Starting Chelation " in this wiki page for

other relevant information (e.g. the 3 month rule and doing trial rounds):

http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol

As far as side effects go, DMSA and DMPS are a walk in a part compared

to ALA for many people. What sorts of worries are you having? I would

clarify if it related to frequent low dose chelation (Cutler's

protocol) or the more common high infrequent doses used by doctors.

I would increase Vitamin C intake by a lot more if you can tolerate

it. 3-10 grams for example.

Jay

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My last set was removed yesterday, and my God I was soooo very

depressed in the evening; later on at night woke up at 1:30 and

couldn't fall asleep. Morning wasn't good either up until I took Milk

thistle, felt more better after taking vitamin C. So do you think this

is all related to my amalgam removal and I should chelate now???

Thanks in advance!!!!

Sunny

>

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My last set was removed yesterday, and my God I was soooo very

depressed in the evening; later on at night woke up at 1:30 and

couldn't fall asleep. Morning wasn't good either up until I took Milk

thistle, felt more better after taking vitamin C. So do you think this

is all related to my amalgam removal and I should chelate now???

Thanks in advance!!!!

Sunny

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