Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Dear group, I have never had any lab tests done so far; probably because with all the amalgam removals Ihaven't had the money. However, I would like to know what the most useful tests are,are they understandable to the average person like myself? and how much they would cost. I am now one month after amalgam removals and have had a bad response to DMSA so am reluctant to try that again. I am presently attacking the candida problem with Aloe, Caprylic acid and diet. Andy's book AI is very complex, especially in the areas of adrenals and hormones so any recommendations would be helpful. I am concerned about my poor sleep patterns and excessive urination Yours gratefully . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 , I am like you as it relates to the adrenal and thyroid (sort off confused). I just know that adrenals must be treated before thyroid I think the adrenal tests run around $100-$125 as a starting point melatonin has really helped my sleep and the recent combination of dpms and HC-hydrocortisone (for adrenals) has I think helped my sleep as well as general health . Jackeie thinks its more the Hydrocortisone for the adrenals that have helped sleep. I am on a taper 100mgs HC for a week, then 50 mgs for the next week then 20 I was having excessive urination problems when I was on heavy sulphur diet...up 2-3 times a night. I haven't had any problems since I stopped sulphur Good luck > > Dear group, > I have never had any lab tests done so far; probably because with all > the amalgam removals Ihaven't had the money. However, I would like to > know what the most useful tests are,are they understandable to the > average person like myself? and how much they would cost. > I am now one month after amalgam removals and have had a bad response > to DMSA so am reluctant to try that again. I am presently attacking the > candida problem with Aloe, Caprylic acid and diet. Andy's book AI is > very complex, especially in the areas of adrenals and hormones so any > recommendations would be helpful. I am concerned about my poor sleep > patterns and excessive urination > Yours gratefully . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 , I am like you as it relates to the adrenal and thyroid (sort off confused). I just know that adrenals must be treated before thyroid I think the adrenal tests run around $100-$125 as a starting point melatonin has really helped my sleep and the recent combination of dpms and HC-hydrocortisone (for adrenals) has I think helped my sleep as well as general health . Jackeie thinks its more the Hydrocortisone for the adrenals that have helped sleep. I am on a taper 100mgs HC for a week, then 50 mgs for the next week then 20 I was having excessive urination problems when I was on heavy sulphur diet...up 2-3 times a night. I haven't had any problems since I stopped sulphur Good luck > > Dear group, > I have never had any lab tests done so far; probably because with all > the amalgam removals Ihaven't had the money. However, I would like to > know what the most useful tests are,are they understandable to the > average person like myself? and how much they would cost. > I am now one month after amalgam removals and have had a bad response > to DMSA so am reluctant to try that again. I am presently attacking the > candida problem with Aloe, Caprylic acid and diet. Andy's book AI is > very complex, especially in the areas of adrenals and hormones so any > recommendations would be helpful. I am concerned about my poor sleep > patterns and excessive urination > Yours gratefully . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 , I am like you as it relates to the adrenal and thyroid (sort off confused). I just know that adrenals must be treated before thyroid I think the adrenal tests run around $100-$125 as a starting point melatonin has really helped my sleep and the recent combination of dpms and HC-hydrocortisone (for adrenals) has I think helped my sleep as well as general health . Jackeie thinks its more the Hydrocortisone for the adrenals that have helped sleep. I am on a taper 100mgs HC for a week, then 50 mgs for the next week then 20 I was having excessive urination problems when I was on heavy sulphur diet...up 2-3 times a night. I haven't had any problems since I stopped sulphur Good luck > > Dear group, > I have never had any lab tests done so far; probably because with all > the amalgam removals Ihaven't had the money. However, I would like to > know what the most useful tests are,are they understandable to the > average person like myself? and how much they would cost. > I am now one month after amalgam removals and have had a bad response > to DMSA so am reluctant to try that again. I am presently attacking the > candida problem with Aloe, Caprylic acid and diet. Andy's book AI is > very complex, especially in the areas of adrenals and hormones so any > recommendations would be helpful. I am concerned about my poor sleep > patterns and excessive urination > Yours gratefully . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation topbrokersf wrote: , I am like you as it relates to the adrenal and thyroid (sort off confused). I just know that adrenals must be treated before thyroid --------You're correct , adrenals first, and don't let a doctor tell you otherwise. Many don't understand the adrenal connection, but it happened to me personally, I had a DO willing to give me Armour thyroid but wouldn't do adrenals, so I went ahead and tried it, and crashed very hard every afternoon and started feeling worse after a few weeks on Armour and finally quit. Needless to say, I'm not giving him my money anymore! knew right away that my adrenals were in trouble. And both of you, don't feel bad, I also found the adrenal and thyroid stuff very confusing, and it took me a really long time of reading about it before it started to sink in and I did something about it. But finding a doctor who gets it is the other problem.------Jackie If you were women, I would recommend Dr. Lee's books, especially Hormone Balance Made Simple, because other hormones besides adrenals and thyroid can be out of whack too. Andy recommends them also. But, here are some other websites you might find helpful. There is alot of information at this website, but this chart helps you determine whether you have adrenal, thyroid, or a mixture of both problems. http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp This website tells you about the 7 stages of adrenal fatigue, and helped me understand how I got where I am. I think this one is linked to Diagnos-Techs as far as testing. http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html This is the website for ZRT Labs which uses, and Dr. Lee mentions this lab in his books. Check it out, because they have a hormone symptom checklist, one for men too, so this might help you guys determine if this kind of testing might be useful for you. http://www.zrtlab.com/Default.aspx One thing I liked about my tests from ZRT Labs, was that when I had a second test done, it showed the results of the first test right next to the second test, for easy comparison. Very nice feature.--------Jackie also mentioned the Canary Club, and *I think* they use these two labs. I have never ordered through them, but they may be cheaper, you'll have to check it out. http://www.canaryclub.org I think the adrenal tests run around $100-$125 as a starting point --------4X/day Cortisol from ZRT is $120, $150 with DHEA.---------Jackie melatonin has really helped my sleep and the recent combination of dpms and HC-hydrocortisone (for adrenals) has I think helped my sleep as well as general health . Jackeie thinks its more the Hydrocortisone for the adrenals that have helped sleep. ----------I just want to make this clear, that we were talking about DMPS and HC, when I made that comment. I wasn't comparing HC to melatonin. Melatonin helps many people with sleep problems, and it is also a good antioxidant, so is a good thing to take, if it helps you. I personally think that getting hormones supported or balanced also helps with lots of things, including sleep. My overall sense of well being has been better since working on balancing hormones, and not just adrenals. And keep in mind that we are all different, so what works for one, may not work for another.---------Jackie I am on a taper 100mgs HC for a week, then 50 mgs for the next week then 20 ---------Wow. I didn't know they go that high. My taper was 60-40-20, and I was zinging on 60. The only time I've had 100 was a stress dose right before my recent surgery. To make sure others understand, these are not doses you take on a regular basis, and should probably never do a taper without a doctor, IMO. Most people feel that 20mg a day is a safe physiological dose to be on long term, if necessary, to give the adrenals a rest and a chance to heal.-----------Jackie I was having excessive urination problems when I was on heavy sulphur diet...up 2-3 times a night. I haven't had any problems since I stopped sulphur -----------That's interesting. is correct that this is or can be diabetes insipidus, and Andy talks about it in AI, just look in the index.---------Jackie Good luck > > Dear group, > I have never had any lab tests done so far; probably because with all > the amalgam removals Ihaven't had the money. However, I would like to > know what the most useful tests are,are they understandable to the > average person like myself? and how much they would cost. -----------If you have insurance, sometimes you can get a regular doctor to test some things for you, like thyroid, especially if you bring in a list of symptoms. I don't think you'll get a regular doctor to do saliva testing of any kind for you though. And standard blood tests are fine, to see if anything shows up there. I have been able to get my regular doctor to check my Vit D levels also, and ferritin, which is body store of iron. I was low on both. Otherwise, I would do some reading at the links I gave you above, especially the symptoms, to help you determine if hormone testing would be helpful to you.----------Jackie > I am now one month after amalgam removals and have had a bad response > to DMSA so am reluctant to try that again. I am presently attacking the > candida problem with Aloe, Caprylic acid and diet. Andy's book AI is > very complex, especially in the areas of adrenals and hormones so any > recommendations would be helpful. ----------Given above.----------Jackie I am concerned about my poor sleep patterns -----------There have been recent discussions about this, and I think Jada had a really good post about using ACE (adrenal cortex extract) during the day and melatonin at night, to help correct this. I think I remember insomnia getting worse for me during amalgam removal time, so things may settle down for you also as time goes on. There are suggestions in AI about what to try, and besides melatonin, I recall some people saying magnesium and/or taurine at bedtime helped them sleep better. And I also believe that hormone imbalance affects this also.---------Jackie and excessive urination -----------Think we covered that above, diabetes insipidus. Will probably improve with proper chelation. According to AI, it is caused by a poisoned pituitary.---------Jackie > Yours gratefully . > _,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on Yahoo! search. Yahoo! Groups Latest product news Join Mod. Central stay connected. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation topbrokersf wrote: , I am like you as it relates to the adrenal and thyroid (sort off confused). I just know that adrenals must be treated before thyroid --------You're correct , adrenals first, and don't let a doctor tell you otherwise. Many don't understand the adrenal connection, but it happened to me personally, I had a DO willing to give me Armour thyroid but wouldn't do adrenals, so I went ahead and tried it, and crashed very hard every afternoon and started feeling worse after a few weeks on Armour and finally quit. Needless to say, I'm not giving him my money anymore! knew right away that my adrenals were in trouble. And both of you, don't feel bad, I also found the adrenal and thyroid stuff very confusing, and it took me a really long time of reading about it before it started to sink in and I did something about it. But finding a doctor who gets it is the other problem.------Jackie If you were women, I would recommend Dr. Lee's books, especially Hormone Balance Made Simple, because other hormones besides adrenals and thyroid can be out of whack too. Andy recommends them also. But, here are some other websites you might find helpful. There is alot of information at this website, but this chart helps you determine whether you have adrenal, thyroid, or a mixture of both problems. http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp This website tells you about the 7 stages of adrenal fatigue, and helped me understand how I got where I am. I think this one is linked to Diagnos-Techs as far as testing. http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html This is the website for ZRT Labs which uses, and Dr. Lee mentions this lab in his books. Check it out, because they have a hormone symptom checklist, one for men too, so this might help you guys determine if this kind of testing might be useful for you. http://www.zrtlab.com/Default.aspx One thing I liked about my tests from ZRT Labs, was that when I had a second test done, it showed the results of the first test right next to the second test, for easy comparison. Very nice feature.--------Jackie also mentioned the Canary Club, and *I think* they use these two labs. I have never ordered through them, but they may be cheaper, you'll have to check it out. http://www.canaryclub.org I think the adrenal tests run around $100-$125 as a starting point --------4X/day Cortisol from ZRT is $120, $150 with DHEA.---------Jackie melatonin has really helped my sleep and the recent combination of dpms and HC-hydrocortisone (for adrenals) has I think helped my sleep as well as general health . Jackeie thinks its more the Hydrocortisone for the adrenals that have helped sleep. ----------I just want to make this clear, that we were talking about DMPS and HC, when I made that comment. I wasn't comparing HC to melatonin. Melatonin helps many people with sleep problems, and it is also a good antioxidant, so is a good thing to take, if it helps you. I personally think that getting hormones supported or balanced also helps with lots of things, including sleep. My overall sense of well being has been better since working on balancing hormones, and not just adrenals. And keep in mind that we are all different, so what works for one, may not work for another.---------Jackie I am on a taper 100mgs HC for a week, then 50 mgs for the next week then 20 ---------Wow. I didn't know they go that high. My taper was 60-40-20, and I was zinging on 60. The only time I've had 100 was a stress dose right before my recent surgery. To make sure others understand, these are not doses you take on a regular basis, and should probably never do a taper without a doctor, IMO. Most people feel that 20mg a day is a safe physiological dose to be on long term, if necessary, to give the adrenals a rest and a chance to heal.-----------Jackie I was having excessive urination problems when I was on heavy sulphur diet...up 2-3 times a night. I haven't had any problems since I stopped sulphur -----------That's interesting. is correct that this is or can be diabetes insipidus, and Andy talks about it in AI, just look in the index.---------Jackie Good luck > > Dear group, > I have never had any lab tests done so far; probably because with all > the amalgam removals Ihaven't had the money. However, I would like to > know what the most useful tests are,are they understandable to the > average person like myself? and how much they would cost. -----------If you have insurance, sometimes you can get a regular doctor to test some things for you, like thyroid, especially if you bring in a list of symptoms. I don't think you'll get a regular doctor to do saliva testing of any kind for you though. And standard blood tests are fine, to see if anything shows up there. I have been able to get my regular doctor to check my Vit D levels also, and ferritin, which is body store of iron. I was low on both. Otherwise, I would do some reading at the links I gave you above, especially the symptoms, to help you determine if hormone testing would be helpful to you.----------Jackie > I am now one month after amalgam removals and have had a bad response > to DMSA so am reluctant to try that again. I am presently attacking the > candida problem with Aloe, Caprylic acid and diet. Andy's book AI is > very complex, especially in the areas of adrenals and hormones so any > recommendations would be helpful. ----------Given above.----------Jackie I am concerned about my poor sleep patterns -----------There have been recent discussions about this, and I think Jada had a really good post about using ACE (adrenal cortex extract) during the day and melatonin at night, to help correct this. I think I remember insomnia getting worse for me during amalgam removal time, so things may settle down for you also as time goes on. There are suggestions in AI about what to try, and besides melatonin, I recall some people saying magnesium and/or taurine at bedtime helped them sleep better. And I also believe that hormone imbalance affects this also.---------Jackie and excessive urination -----------Think we covered that above, diabetes insipidus. Will probably improve with proper chelation. According to AI, it is caused by a poisoned pituitary.---------Jackie > Yours gratefully . > _,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on Yahoo! search. Yahoo! Groups Latest product news Join Mod. Central stay connected. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation topbrokersf wrote: , I am like you as it relates to the adrenal and thyroid (sort off confused). I just know that adrenals must be treated before thyroid --------You're correct , adrenals first, and don't let a doctor tell you otherwise. Many don't understand the adrenal connection, but it happened to me personally, I had a DO willing to give me Armour thyroid but wouldn't do adrenals, so I went ahead and tried it, and crashed very hard every afternoon and started feeling worse after a few weeks on Armour and finally quit. Needless to say, I'm not giving him my money anymore! knew right away that my adrenals were in trouble. And both of you, don't feel bad, I also found the adrenal and thyroid stuff very confusing, and it took me a really long time of reading about it before it started to sink in and I did something about it. But finding a doctor who gets it is the other problem.------Jackie If you were women, I would recommend Dr. Lee's books, especially Hormone Balance Made Simple, because other hormones besides adrenals and thyroid can be out of whack too. Andy recommends them also. But, here are some other websites you might find helpful. There is alot of information at this website, but this chart helps you determine whether you have adrenal, thyroid, or a mixture of both problems. http://www.drrind.com/scorecardmatrix.asp This website tells you about the 7 stages of adrenal fatigue, and helped me understand how I got where I am. I think this one is linked to Diagnos-Techs as far as testing. http://www.chronicfatigue.org/ASI%20Normal.html This is the website for ZRT Labs which uses, and Dr. Lee mentions this lab in his books. Check it out, because they have a hormone symptom checklist, one for men too, so this might help you guys determine if this kind of testing might be useful for you. http://www.zrtlab.com/Default.aspx One thing I liked about my tests from ZRT Labs, was that when I had a second test done, it showed the results of the first test right next to the second test, for easy comparison. Very nice feature.--------Jackie also mentioned the Canary Club, and *I think* they use these two labs. I have never ordered through them, but they may be cheaper, you'll have to check it out. http://www.canaryclub.org I think the adrenal tests run around $100-$125 as a starting point --------4X/day Cortisol from ZRT is $120, $150 with DHEA.---------Jackie melatonin has really helped my sleep and the recent combination of dpms and HC-hydrocortisone (for adrenals) has I think helped my sleep as well as general health . Jackeie thinks its more the Hydrocortisone for the adrenals that have helped sleep. ----------I just want to make this clear, that we were talking about DMPS and HC, when I made that comment. I wasn't comparing HC to melatonin. Melatonin helps many people with sleep problems, and it is also a good antioxidant, so is a good thing to take, if it helps you. I personally think that getting hormones supported or balanced also helps with lots of things, including sleep. My overall sense of well being has been better since working on balancing hormones, and not just adrenals. And keep in mind that we are all different, so what works for one, may not work for another.---------Jackie I am on a taper 100mgs HC for a week, then 50 mgs for the next week then 20 ---------Wow. I didn't know they go that high. My taper was 60-40-20, and I was zinging on 60. The only time I've had 100 was a stress dose right before my recent surgery. To make sure others understand, these are not doses you take on a regular basis, and should probably never do a taper without a doctor, IMO. Most people feel that 20mg a day is a safe physiological dose to be on long term, if necessary, to give the adrenals a rest and a chance to heal.-----------Jackie I was having excessive urination problems when I was on heavy sulphur diet...up 2-3 times a night. I haven't had any problems since I stopped sulphur -----------That's interesting. is correct that this is or can be diabetes insipidus, and Andy talks about it in AI, just look in the index.---------Jackie Good luck > > Dear group, > I have never had any lab tests done so far; probably because with all > the amalgam removals Ihaven't had the money. However, I would like to > know what the most useful tests are,are they understandable to the > average person like myself? and how much they would cost. -----------If you have insurance, sometimes you can get a regular doctor to test some things for you, like thyroid, especially if you bring in a list of symptoms. I don't think you'll get a regular doctor to do saliva testing of any kind for you though. And standard blood tests are fine, to see if anything shows up there. I have been able to get my regular doctor to check my Vit D levels also, and ferritin, which is body store of iron. I was low on both. Otherwise, I would do some reading at the links I gave you above, especially the symptoms, to help you determine if hormone testing would be helpful to you.----------Jackie > I am now one month after amalgam removals and have had a bad response > to DMSA so am reluctant to try that again. I am presently attacking the > candida problem with Aloe, Caprylic acid and diet. Andy's book AI is > very complex, especially in the areas of adrenals and hormones so any > recommendations would be helpful. ----------Given above.----------Jackie I am concerned about my poor sleep patterns -----------There have been recent discussions about this, and I think Jada had a really good post about using ACE (adrenal cortex extract) during the day and melatonin at night, to help correct this. I think I remember insomnia getting worse for me during amalgam removal time, so things may settle down for you also as time goes on. There are suggestions in AI about what to try, and besides melatonin, I recall some people saying magnesium and/or taurine at bedtime helped them sleep better. And I also believe that hormone imbalance affects this also.---------Jackie and excessive urination -----------Think we covered that above, diabetes insipidus. Will probably improve with proper chelation. According to AI, it is caused by a poisoned pituitary.---------Jackie > Yours gratefully . > _,_.___ Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages MARKETPLACE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Earn your degree in as few as 2 years - Advance your career with an AS, BS, MS degree - College-Finder.net. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity a.. 9New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Health Live Better Longer Find new ways to stay healthy. New web site? Drive traffic now. Get your business on Yahoo! search. Yahoo! Groups Latest product news Join Mod. Central stay connected. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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