low white cell counts (neutropenia)

[Guest guest]

Hi I suffer from CFS/ME and for a long time I have had recurring low

white cell counts (mild neutropenia).... which happens in peaks and

troughs, they do return to within " normal " at times but then dip low

again for no apparent reason. Recently I have been told I do have

quite a high load of toxic metals in my body which I am about to start

chelating.

I was just wondering if anyone else in this group had recurring low

white cell counts which improved after the chelation programme had

removed the toxic metals from the body? and did white cell counts

remain stable after the toxins were removed?? i.e I am wondering

whether the metals have been causing the recurring white cell count dips

many thanks

jim

[Guest guest]

I too have had low (but still within range) WBC, and below normal

Neutrophils, 1.8 with a ref range of 2-7.3 K/uL. Still trying to

figure out what exactly is causing it. My Lymphocyte counts are middle

of range, so it only really appears to be affecting neutrophil counts.

I'll let you know how my numbers go as I plan to keep track of

different blood tests that are abnormal or near abnormal for me.

Thanks,

Mike

>

> Hi I suffer from CFS/ME and for a long time I have had recurring low

> white cell counts (mild neutropenia).... which happens in peaks and

> troughs, they do return to within " normal " at times but then dip low

> again for no apparent reason. Recently I have been told I do have

> quite a high load of toxic metals in my body which I am about to start

> chelating.

> I was just wondering if anyone else in this group had recurring low

> white cell counts which improved after the chelation programme had

> removed the toxic metals from the body? and did white cell counts

> remain stable after the toxins were removed?? i.e I am wondering

> whether the metals have been causing the recurring white cell count

dips

> many thanks

> jim

>

[Guest guest]

thankyou very much for your reply I would very much like to hear how

your progress goes as the way you describe your blood counts sound

remarkably similar to mine from the impression I get from your

description, apart from my lymphocytes go low as well as my

neurtrophils, just to clarify I have 2 questions....

are you actively chelating metals currently? did you do toxic metal test?

I did a toxic metal urine test and it showed up various high levels of

toxic metals

cheers jim

> >

> > Hi I suffer from CFS/ME and for a long time I have had recurring low

> > white cell counts (mild neutropenia).... which happens in peaks and

> > troughs, they do return to within " normal " at times but then dip low

> > again for no apparent reason. Recently I have been told I do have

> > quite a high load of toxic metals in my body which I am about to start

> > chelating.

> > I was just wondering if anyone else in this group had recurring low

> > white cell counts which improved after the chelation programme had

> > removed the toxic metals from the body? and did white cell counts

> > remain stable after the toxins were removed?? i.e I am wondering

> > whether the metals have been causing the recurring white cell count

> dips

> > many thanks

> > jim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thankyou very much for your reply I would very much like to hear how

your progress goes as the way you describe your blood counts sound

remarkably similar to mine from the impression I get from your

description, apart from my lymphocytes go low as well as my

neurtrophils, just to clarify I have 2 questions....

are you actively chelating metals currently? did you do toxic metal test?

I did a toxic metal urine test and it showed up various high levels of

toxic metals

cheers jim

> >

> > Hi I suffer from CFS/ME and for a long time I have had recurring low

> > white cell counts (mild neutropenia).... which happens in peaks and

> > troughs, they do return to within " normal " at times but then dip low

> > again for no apparent reason. Recently I have been told I do have

> > quite a high load of toxic metals in my body which I am about to start

> > chelating.

> > I was just wondering if anyone else in this group had recurring low

> > white cell counts which improved after the chelation programme had

> > removed the toxic metals from the body? and did white cell counts

> > remain stable after the toxins were removed?? i.e I am wondering

> > whether the metals have been causing the recurring white cell count

> dips

> > many thanks

> > jim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

thankyou very much for your reply I would very much like to hear how

your progress goes as the way you describe your blood counts sound

remarkably similar to mine from the impression I get from your

description, apart from my lymphocytes go low as well as my

neurtrophils, just to clarify I have 2 questions....

are you actively chelating metals currently? did you do toxic metal test?

I did a toxic metal urine test and it showed up various high levels of

toxic metals

cheers jim

> >

> > Hi I suffer from CFS/ME and for a long time I have had recurring low

> > white cell counts (mild neutropenia).... which happens in peaks and

> > troughs, they do return to within " normal " at times but then dip low

> > again for no apparent reason. Recently I have been told I do have

> > quite a high load of toxic metals in my body which I am about to start

> > chelating.

> > I was just wondering if anyone else in this group had recurring low

> > white cell counts which improved after the chelation programme had

> > removed the toxic metals from the body? and did white cell counts

> > remain stable after the toxins were removed?? i.e I am wondering

> > whether the metals have been causing the recurring white cell count

> dips

> > many thanks

> > jim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Have you considered Neutrophil Plus as a supplement? If you plan to

use dmsa you need to monitor your neutrophil levels as it can lower

them is some susceptible people. I have read of metals causing low

white cells in Andy's books. For me it messed up my red cells, those

were low, and too small and pale. Mycrocytic hemolytic something or

other..however after one year post amalgam removal and 16 rounds my

red cells are normal now. If that is any hope! I have a file on

raising neutrophils.

Here is some information from Andy that we use on A-M for neutrophil

problems:

Neutrophils, yeast and DMSA

copyright 2002 Hall Cutler

Many people have reported yeast flare ups with DMSA.

DMSA is known to lower neutrophil numbers. Neutrophils are in charge

of killing off extra yeast. Mercury is known to inhibit some of the

specific chemistry neutrophils use to kill yeast.

Here are some things that help with neutrophils in case people want to

try them.

Arginine increases neutrophil production of NO, which neutrophils use

to kill yeast. If you give too much arginine without lysine then you

may increase susceptibility to certain viral infections. Adding some

lysine fixes this.

Taurine increases neutrophil ability to withstand their own OCl-

(bleach) which they also use to kill yeast.

The product " neutrophil plus " by Biotics increases neutrophil number.

It is a glandular extract. Biotics sells to licensed health care

practitioners only.

Lithium increases neutrophil numbers. Lithium orotate is available

from Vitamin Research Products over the counter, or lithium carbonate

is Rx as Eskalith. These are typically used for manic depressive

disorder but may also benefit people with abnormal brain electrical

activity.

Ornithine alpha ketoglutarate increases neutrophil numbers.

Neutrophils need lots of zinc, which of course is always a problem for

mercury poisoned people.

Goldenseal and other berberine containing materials may increase

neutrophil number or activity.

DMG greatly increases antibody production and lymphocyte function. It

is not clear if it also stimulates neutrophils.

Cimetidine (Tagamet) the anti-stomach acid H2 blocker may increase

neutrophil number or function. It also generally increases immune

system reactivity.

DMG and cimetidine may make allergic people MORE allergically

reactive.

Other over the counter anti-yeast things are:

Caprylic acid which is also in most liquid MCT supplements as the

triglyceride and is also in coconut oil in substantial amount,

Aloe Vera gel,

Lactoferrin,

Garlic (which is sulfury),

Grapefruit Seed Extract (which also slows down phase 1 a LOT),

and oregano oil (which is icky for people with slow phase 1).

Biotin may also help control yeast and is very helpful for those with

difficulty regulating blood sugar, or elevated pyruvate, or trouble

metabolizing certain amino acids,

probiotics help supply " healthy " organisms to compete with the yeast

and push it out,

FOS (fructooligosacccarides) feed the " healthy " organisms,

and there are of course the Rx antifungals.

Hopefully this list gives people enough things to try that they can

find one or two that are practical for them.

Andy . . . . . .

>

> Hi I suffer from CFS/ME and for a long time I have had recurring low

> white cell counts (mild neutropenia).... which happens in peaks and

> troughs, they do return to within " normal " at times but then dip low

> again for no apparent reason. Recently I have been told I do have

> quite a high load of toxic metals in my body which I am about to start

> chelating.

> I was just wondering if anyone else in this group had recurring low

> white cell counts which improved after the chelation programme had

> removed the toxic metals from the body? and did white cell counts

> remain stable after the toxins were removed?? i.e I am wondering

> whether the metals have been causing the recurring white cell count dips

> many thanks

> jim

>

[Guest guest]

Have you considered Neutrophil Plus as a supplement? If you plan to

use dmsa you need to monitor your neutrophil levels as it can lower

them is some susceptible people. I have read of metals causing low

white cells in Andy's books. For me it messed up my red cells, those

were low, and too small and pale. Mycrocytic hemolytic something or

other..however after one year post amalgam removal and 16 rounds my

red cells are normal now. If that is any hope! I have a file on

raising neutrophils.

Here is some information from Andy that we use on A-M for neutrophil

problems:

Neutrophils, yeast and DMSA

copyright 2002 Hall Cutler

Many people have reported yeast flare ups with DMSA.

DMSA is known to lower neutrophil numbers. Neutrophils are in charge

of killing off extra yeast. Mercury is known to inhibit some of the

specific chemistry neutrophils use to kill yeast.

Here are some things that help with neutrophils in case people want to

try them.

Arginine increases neutrophil production of NO, which neutrophils use

to kill yeast. If you give too much arginine without lysine then you

may increase susceptibility to certain viral infections. Adding some

lysine fixes this.

Taurine increases neutrophil ability to withstand their own OCl-

(bleach) which they also use to kill yeast.

The product " neutrophil plus " by Biotics increases neutrophil number.

It is a glandular extract. Biotics sells to licensed health care

practitioners only.

Lithium increases neutrophil numbers. Lithium orotate is available

from Vitamin Research Products over the counter, or lithium carbonate

is Rx as Eskalith. These are typically used for manic depressive

disorder but may also benefit people with abnormal brain electrical

activity.

Ornithine alpha ketoglutarate increases neutrophil numbers.

Neutrophils need lots of zinc, which of course is always a problem for

mercury poisoned people.

Goldenseal and other berberine containing materials may increase

neutrophil number or activity.

DMG greatly increases antibody production and lymphocyte function. It

is not clear if it also stimulates neutrophils.

Cimetidine (Tagamet) the anti-stomach acid H2 blocker may increase

neutrophil number or function. It also generally increases immune

system reactivity.

DMG and cimetidine may make allergic people MORE allergically

reactive.

Other over the counter anti-yeast things are:

Caprylic acid which is also in most liquid MCT supplements as the

triglyceride and is also in coconut oil in substantial amount,

Aloe Vera gel,

Lactoferrin,

Garlic (which is sulfury),

Grapefruit Seed Extract (which also slows down phase 1 a LOT),

and oregano oil (which is icky for people with slow phase 1).

Biotin may also help control yeast and is very helpful for those with

difficulty regulating blood sugar, or elevated pyruvate, or trouble

metabolizing certain amino acids,

probiotics help supply " healthy " organisms to compete with the yeast

and push it out,

FOS (fructooligosacccarides) feed the " healthy " organisms,

and there are of course the Rx antifungals.

Hopefully this list gives people enough things to try that they can

find one or two that are practical for them.

Andy . . . . . .

>

> Hi I suffer from CFS/ME and for a long time I have had recurring low

> white cell counts (mild neutropenia).... which happens in peaks and

> troughs, they do return to within " normal " at times but then dip low

> again for no apparent reason. Recently I have been told I do have

> quite a high load of toxic metals in my body which I am about to start

> chelating.

> I was just wondering if anyone else in this group had recurring low

> white cell counts which improved after the chelation programme had

> removed the toxic metals from the body? and did white cell counts

> remain stable after the toxins were removed?? i.e I am wondering

> whether the metals have been causing the recurring white cell count dips

> many thanks

> jim

>