Re: Starting chelation today - How it went

[Guest guest]

Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier and

less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg of

DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit spaced

out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on the

second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn out as

I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased the

next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

During the first night, one of my alarms didn't go off and I was 17

mins late taking a dose. I had a weird dream where my head was in the

middle of my chest and my arms had moved around (redistributed?) Not

sure if I should have not taken that dose and just stopped. How many

minutes is too late?

Anyway, four hours and five minutes after my last dose, I began to feel

stoned. I was watching my GF cook and found myself telling her about

my " broccoli poisoning " instead of my " mercury poisoning " . It was

actually kinda fun and only lasted an hour. Nothing unusual to report

since then.

I just wanted to describe it in case there are any newcomers like me

curious about what it feels like for others. I had been so nervous

because I'm so much more drug sensitive than the general population.

But I guess these recommendations and doses are not for the general

public, they are for the mercury intoxicated like me.

Oh, and the only side effect I felt was a little sensitivity in my

gums. It was very mild, I probably wouldn't have noticed it except I

read it in someone else's post and was watching out for it.

>

> Ten months after amalgam removal I found Andy's book. Going to try

> 12.5mg DMSA every four hours starting now. I'm nervous because I had

> such a bad reaction to the garlic + chlorella " chelation " my dentist

> put me on during amalgam removal. And I'm generally super sensitive

to

> anything I take. I'm very glad to have this list to ask questions of

> and report my progress.

>

> Later,

> Aine

>

[Guest guest]

Aine,

It's great that your first round went pretty well!

I would suggest using some caution about ramping up the dose.

Symptoms can change from round to round, also within rounds.

Feeling jolly can get to be a negative symptom depending on

just how jolly you get. You don't want to find yourself doing

things you regret later.

I would stick with a fairly low dose for several rounds before

increasing. Better safe than sorry.

--

> >

> > Ten months after amalgam removal I found Andy's book. Going to try

> > 12.5mg DMSA every four hours starting now. I'm nervous because I had

> > such a bad reaction to the garlic + chlorella " chelation " my dentist

> > put me on during amalgam removal. And I'm generally super sensitive

> to

> > anything I take. I'm very glad to have this list to ask questions of

> > and report my progress.

> >

> > Later,

> > Aine

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier and

> less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg of

> DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit spaced

> out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on the

> second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn out as

> I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased the

> next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

> because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure

Hi Aine,

You should not be increasing the dose within a round!

You can only increase the dose when you start a new round.

Dose increases should be more than half of you previous dose e.g from 12.5

to 17.5 is okay, but from 12.5 - 25 is not.

You will cause a lot of redistribution problems chelating like your are as

they blood levels are all over the place during a round.

Please be careful.

DeanSA

[Guest guest]

I second that emotion. It sounds to me like you're ramping up very fast.

Keep in mind that metal removal increase by the square root of the chelator

dose, NOT proportionally. So there is no reason to risk side effects by

ramping up fast. Here's how Andy put it in an earlier message:

________________________

Give your kid 10 mg of DMSA every 4 hours: and he pees out let us say

3 mcg of mercury a day.

Give him 100 mg of DMSA every 4 hours and he will pee out 10 mcg of

mercury a day.

Of course some mercury is pooped out too, and DMSA doesn't do anything

to that, so increasing dosage by 10 fold doesn't even increase

excretion by a factor of 3, it is more like 2 times.

Side effects on 10 mg, low.

Side effects on 100 mg, horrendous.

Is this clear, or should I talk about it more?

Andy . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: Starting chelation today - How it

went

Aine,

It's great that your first round went pretty well!

I would suggest using some caution about ramping up the dose.

Symptoms can change from round to round, also within rounds.

Feeling jolly can get to be a negative symptom depending on

just how jolly you get. You don't want to find yourself doing

things you regret later.

I would stick with a fairly low dose for several rounds before

increasing. Better safe than sorry.

--

.

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Aine wrote:

Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier and

less stressful than I had built it up to be.

---------Yes, I believe alot of people are really scared to try chelation, but

once you do it, you find out its not that big of a deal, as long as you are

using a safe protocol like this one. Especially if you are one of those that

feel better on round, then you look forward to chelating, knowing you're going

to feel better.-------Jackie

I started on 12.5mg of

DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit spaced

out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on the

second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn out as

I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased the

next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

-----------It is not recommended to ramp up your doses like this. TK would

tell you that one of the biggest mistakes he sees people make is going too fast

like this. If you felt really good and could function really well on the lower

dose, then I would stick with that for awhile. I think it's better to be at a

dose where you can function, than to push the doses too high and cause yourself

more problems and setbacks. I would recommend going back to 12.5mg, or at the

very highest, 25mg. And stay at that dose for a few rounds, at least. Many

here will tell you that this isn't a race, and that slow and steady is the way

to go. And doubling your dose of chelator does not double your mercury

excretion, I think it only increases by about 30%. So please be careful and

patient, and don't harm yourself further.----------Jackie

During the first night, one of my alarms didn't go off and I was 17

mins late taking a dose. I had a weird dream where my head was in the

middle of my chest and my arms had moved around (redistributed?) Not

sure if I should have not taken that dose and just stopped. How many

minutes is too late?

-----------Andy has said that 1 hour late is the maximum for missing a dose.

So 17 minutes was fine to continue. If it is more than 1 hour, then you should

end the round.---------Jackie

Anyway, four hours and five minutes after my last dose, I began to feel

stoned. I was watching my GF cook and found myself telling her about

my " broccoli poisoning " instead of my " mercury poisoning " . It was

actually kinda fun and only lasted an hour. Nothing unusual to report

since then.

I just wanted to describe it in case there are any newcomers like me

curious about what it feels like for others. I had been so nervous

because I'm so much more drug sensitive than the general population.

But I guess these recommendations and doses are not for the general

public, they are for the mercury intoxicated like me.

----------Being very drug sensitive is another reason to take this slow and

not ramp up your doses so fast. We recommend starting at very low doses so

people don't start out too high, have problems, and give up on

chelation.--------Jackie

Oh, and the only side effect I felt was a little sensitivity in my

gums. It was very mild, I probably wouldn't have noticed it except I

read it in someone else's post and was watching out for it.

>

> Ten months after amalgam removal I found Andy's book. Going to try

> 12.5mg DMSA every four hours starting now. I'm nervous because I had

> such a bad reaction to the garlic + chlorella " chelation " my dentist

> put me on during amalgam removal. And I'm generally super sensitive

to

> anything I take. I'm very glad to have this list to ask questions of

> and report my progress.

>

> Later,

> Aine

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In frequent-dose-chelation Aine wrote:

Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier and

less stressful than I had built it up to be.

---------Yes, I believe alot of people are really scared to try chelation, but

once you do it, you find out its not that big of a deal, as long as you are

using a safe protocol like this one. Especially if you are one of those that

feel better on round, then you look forward to chelating, knowing you're going

to feel better.-------Jackie

I started on 12.5mg of

DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit spaced

out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on the

second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn out as

I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased the

next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

-----------It is not recommended to ramp up your doses like this. TK would

tell you that one of the biggest mistakes he sees people make is going too fast

like this. If you felt really good and could function really well on the lower

dose, then I would stick with that for awhile. I think it's better to be at a

dose where you can function, than to push the doses too high and cause yourself

more problems and setbacks. I would recommend going back to 12.5mg, or at the

very highest, 25mg. And stay at that dose for a few rounds, at least. Many

here will tell you that this isn't a race, and that slow and steady is the way

to go. And doubling your dose of chelator does not double your mercury

excretion, I think it only increases by about 30%. So please be careful and

patient, and don't harm yourself further.----------Jackie

During the first night, one of my alarms didn't go off and I was 17

mins late taking a dose. I had a weird dream where my head was in the

middle of my chest and my arms had moved around (redistributed?) Not

sure if I should have not taken that dose and just stopped. How many

minutes is too late?

-----------Andy has said that 1 hour late is the maximum for missing a dose.

So 17 minutes was fine to continue. If it is more than 1 hour, then you should

end the round.---------Jackie

Anyway, four hours and five minutes after my last dose, I began to feel

stoned. I was watching my GF cook and found myself telling her about

my " broccoli poisoning " instead of my " mercury poisoning " . It was

actually kinda fun and only lasted an hour. Nothing unusual to report

since then.

I just wanted to describe it in case there are any newcomers like me

curious about what it feels like for others. I had been so nervous

because I'm so much more drug sensitive than the general population.

But I guess these recommendations and doses are not for the general

public, they are for the mercury intoxicated like me.

----------Being very drug sensitive is another reason to take this slow and

not ramp up your doses so fast. We recommend starting at very low doses so

people don't start out too high, have problems, and give up on

chelation.--------Jackie

Oh, and the only side effect I felt was a little sensitivity in my

gums. It was very mild, I probably wouldn't have noticed it except I

read it in someone else's post and was watching out for it.

>

> Ten months after amalgam removal I found Andy's book. Going to try

> 12.5mg DMSA every four hours starting now. I'm nervous because I had

> such a bad reaction to the garlic + chlorella " chelation " my dentist

> put me on during amalgam removal. And I'm generally super sensitive

to

> anything I take. I'm very glad to have this list to ask questions of

> and report my progress.

>

> Later,

> Aine

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>

> Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier and

> less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg of

> DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit

spaced

> out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on the

> second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn out

as

> I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased the

> next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

> because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

>

TK--- this is a good way to make yourself much sicker playing with

dosage this way - please review the files section on the protocol for

begining.

[Guest guest]

>

> Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier and

> less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg of

> DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit

spaced

> out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on the

> second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn out

as

> I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased the

> next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

> because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

>

TK--- this is a good way to make yourself much sicker playing with

dosage this way - please review the files section on the protocol for

begining.

[Guest guest]

>

> Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier and

> less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg of

> DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit

spaced

> out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on the

> second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn out

as

> I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased the

> next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

> because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

>

TK--- this is a good way to make yourself much sicker playing with

dosage this way - please review the files section on the protocol for

begining.

[Guest guest]

Thanks guys for watching out for me. In Amalgam Illness, it was

recommending DMSA doses of 50-100mg, so I thought what I was doing

was pretty small potatoes. I'll take it easy from now on!

Man, this stuff is complex...

> >

> > Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier

and

> > less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg

of

> > DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit

> spaced

> > out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on

the

> > second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn

out

> as

> > I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased

the

> > next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

> > because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

> >

>

>

> TK--- this is a good way to make yourself much sicker playing with

> dosage this way - please review the files section on the protocol

for

> begining.

>

[Guest guest]

Your welcome. I'm just returning the favor. The best advice I got from the

wise people here when I joined the group was to start at lower doses than what

is in the book. I'm sure that saved me, because I would have never tolerated

50mg doses, I still don't. Starting at 12.5mg was the right thing to

do.-------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Aine wrote:

Thanks guys for watching out for me. In Amalgam Illness, it was

recommending DMSA doses of 50-100mg, so I thought what I was doing

was pretty small potatoes. I'll take it easy from now on!

Man, this stuff is complex...

> >

> > Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier

and

> > less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg

of

> > DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit

> spaced

> > out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on

the

> > second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn

out

> as

> > I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased

the

> > next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

> > because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

> >

>

>

> TK--- this is a good way to make yourself much sicker playing with

> dosage this way - please review the files section on the protocol

for

> begining.

>

[Guest guest]

Your welcome. I'm just returning the favor. The best advice I got from the

wise people here when I joined the group was to start at lower doses than what

is in the book. I'm sure that saved me, because I would have never tolerated

50mg doses, I still don't. Starting at 12.5mg was the right thing to

do.-------Jackie

In frequent-dose-chelation Aine wrote:

Thanks guys for watching out for me. In Amalgam Illness, it was

recommending DMSA doses of 50-100mg, so I thought what I was doing

was pretty small potatoes. I'll take it easy from now on!

Man, this stuff is complex...

> >

> > Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier

and

> > less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg

of

> > DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit

> spaced

> > out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on

the

> > second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn

out

> as

> > I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased

the

> > next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

> > because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

> >

>

>

> TK--- this is a good way to make yourself much sicker playing with

> dosage this way - please review the files section on the protocol

for

> begining.

>

[Guest guest]

Amalgam Illness was written some time ago. Since that time it's been the

experience of many that those doses are too high. The recommendations in

the email you got when you joined the group are more up to date.

Dean

Re: Starting chelation today - How it

went

Thanks guys for watching out for me. In Amalgam Illness, it was

recommending DMSA doses of 50-100mg, so I thought what I was doing

was pretty small potatoes. I'll take it easy from now on!

Man, this stuff is complex...

> >

> > Things went really well on my first round. It was a lot easier

and

> > less stressful than I had built it up to be. I started on 12.5mg

of

> > DMSA every 4 hours. For my first couple of doses, I felt a bit

> spaced

> > out and stoned, but not unpleasantly. I started to feel good on

the

> > second day, did a long day of physical work and didn't feel worn

out

> as

> > I usually do. Increased to 25mg. Felt pretty jolly. Increased

the

> > next day to 50mg, felt a bit headachey, but that could have been

> > because I ate eggs for breakfast. Not sure.

> >

>

>

> TK--- this is a good way to make yourself much sicker playing with

> dosage this way - please review the files section on the protocol

for

> begining.

>