Re: Update, etc.

[Guest guest]

I think you're right. I need to get my Sherlock Holmes deerstalker hat out

of storage and figure out the trigger first. The chocolate was my favorite

American brand: Hershey's, so no, not a new type. We drink well water, goat

milk. I was bitten by a bumble bee (of all things) about a week ago, but had

only localized reaction. Maybe this is a total delayed reaction, as I am

very allergic to insect bites.

First thing I did when I got a chance at home was to do a google search of

Ultrainflamx, so I saw that page. I'm thinking of just buying some amino

acids and coupling with multivitamins to try and duplicate the amounts.

Actually, this theory about vitamins and amino acids mirrors many of the

threads on this list. I used L-Carnitine successfully a long time ago for

aches and pains of hypo. There is evidently a message left in the archives

of the ndgf, because someone contacted me about it recently.

So, if anyone sees a farmer dressed even funnier than usual, with a big

magnifying glass, that'd be me.

Red

In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:23:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

graves_support writes:

> Are you SURE you can't think of ANYTHING that is different

> in the past few days? A new household cleaner. New fertilizer

> for plants. New filter in the furnace. You might have to

> analyze everything you come into contact with to figure

> this out. A different type of drinking water, different brand of

> milk..... Maybe even a different combination of foods.

> Was this chocolate a type you had never had before?

>

> Wish I could be of more help, but something like this

> takes detective work above and beyond. I sure hope you

> figure this out.

>

> ***************************************************************************

Courage doesn't always shout. Sometimes it is the quiet voice at the end of

the day that says, " I will try again tomorrow. "

[Guest guest]

Well Red, you can probably put that Sherlock Holmes hat and

magnifying glass away now. The bumble bee sting was more than likely

the culprit. Even bumble bees can cause bad reactions.

I searched: bee stings, delayed reactions, autoimmune disease and

came up with the following excerpts (and links to them).

I gather that if you have an autoimmune disease, allergic reactions

can be more pronounced, due to a tweaked immune system. You already

know that hives are an immune system reaction.

Since the common antidote for allergic reactions is epinephrine

(adrenaline), depending on where your thyroid levels are, you may not

have had enough epinephrine in your systems to combat the sting

effectively, allowing for the reaction to drag on (?). You should

get one of those " epi-pens " to have on hand in case you get stung

again.

Judging from this, if someone is actively hyper, the epinephrine

injection might not be such a good idea as it may increase hyper

symptoms.

Most of these links refered to " delayed reactions " to bee stings as

being 24 hours up to a few days in rare cases. And we are all so

very different, a delayed reaction can mean just about anything to

each individual. Many articles mentioned the swelling of the lips,

eyes, and then hives over any other part of the body after a bee

sting:

http://www.drgreene.com/21_43.html

" Delayed reactions result when the body's immune system prepares for

future stings, but some of the exuberant defense measures

inadvertently turn against the body itself. These symptoms begin more

than four hours after the initial sting. Delayed reactions include

serum sickness (fever, weakness, rash, swelling, and/or intense

itching which begin a week after the sting), nephrotic syndrome

(inflammation of the kidney), neuritis (inflammation of the nerves),

or inflammation of other parts of the body. "

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http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/BODY_AA159

" Type III bee venom hypersentivity reactions were grouped as arthus

type, serum sickness and others. Arthus reaction becomes apparent 8-

12 hours after a sting and could persist two to three days. "

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http://www.consciouschoice.com/issues/cc1211/autoimmune1211.html

" If your immune system is very effective, you may never get sick. If

it isn't, you may come down with many viruses and bacterial

infections. If it gets confused, allergies and autoimmune illnesses

result. What goes wrong in autoimmune disease is simply the failure

to distinguish harmless from harmful material. If certain foods are

misidentified as invaders, the tissues swell to fight them, and we

call it a food allergy. Pollen may be attacked with the watering of

nose and eyes in the condition of hay fever. A more serious response

is the rare reaction to shellfish or bee sting, that violent swelling

that constricts breathing or blood flow and is known as 'anaphylactic

shock.' "

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http://www.studenthealth.co.uk/leaflets/Urticaria.htm

" In most cases, urticaria settles quickly. Unfortunately, a few

people develop chronic urticaria. It is thought that this may be due

to an autoimmune disease. Circulating antibodies cause excessive

release of histamine. Most individuals with chronic urticaria are

otherwise healthy but a few have another autoimmune condition such as

thyroid disease. "

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Note: My dad had started developing arthritis in one of his knees.

It was getting to be really painful. One day a bee stung him right

smack dab in the middle of his arthritic knee. After the swelling

went down, the knee never bothered him again. It goes to show you

never can tell!

Hope you are feeling better this morning.

Best Wishes,

Chris

---------

>

> I think you're right. I need to get my Sherlock Holmes deerstalker

hat out

> of storage and figure out the trigger first. The chocolate was my

favorite

> American brand: Hershey's, so no, not a new type. We drink well

water, goat

> milk. I was bitten by a bumble bee (of all things) about a week

ago, but had

> only localized reaction. Maybe this is a total delayed reaction,

as I am

> very allergic to insect bites.

>

> First thing I did when I got a chance at home was to do a google

search of

> Ultrainflamx, so I saw that page. I'm thinking of just buying some

amino

> acids and coupling with multivitamins to try and duplicate the

amounts.

> Actually, this theory about vitamins and amino acids mirrors many

of the

> threads on this list. I used L-Carnitine successfully a long time

ago for

> aches and pains of hypo. There is evidently a message left in the

archives

> of the ndgf, because someone contacted me about it recently.

>

> So, if anyone sees a farmer dressed even funnier than usual, with a

big

> magnifying glass, that'd be me.

>

> Red

>

> In a message dated 11/14/2002 9:23:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> graves_support@y... writes:

>

> > Are you SURE you can't think of ANYTHING that is different

> > in the past few days? A new household cleaner. New fertilizer

> > for plants. New filter in the furnace. You might have to

> > analyze everything you come into contact with to figure

> > this out. A different type of drinking water, different brand of

> > milk..... Maybe even a different combination of foods.

> > Was this chocolate a type you had never had before?

> >

> > Wish I could be of more help, but something like this

> > takes detective work above and beyond. I sure hope you

> > figure this out.

> >

> >

**********************************************************************

*****

> Courage doesn't always shout. Sometimes it is the quiet voice at

the end of

> the day that says, " I will try again tomorrow. "

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Well Red, you can probably put that Sherlock Holmes hat and

> magnifying glass away now. The bumble bee sting was more than

likely

> the culprit. Even bumble bees can cause bad reactions.

>

Oh, Granny, you came so close! You did a lot of work, too!

Fortunately, I wrote privately to Jeannette about awaking with

swollen lips two mornings in a row. The email was dated October 28

and I didn't get stung until NOv. 9th, so it would have had to have

been an anticipatory reaction as well as a delayed one.

Sorry, I've got to keep the deerstalker cap on. At least we

collectively eliminated one possibility. Now, we're down to

chocolate and ??? But, no! Had I been eating chocolate befoe Oct.

28? I think not. Good work, Sherlock.

Now, I'll have to consider Simon's cheery suggestion about icky

things in well water. I'll bet all you city water folks have even

worse stuff, but what the heck, it's easy to take a sample and get it

tested.

I see that there are at least two other threads on this list having

to do with nutrition and supplements as possible therapy for what

ails us. This morning, I went to Walmart and bought a reasonably

priced bottle of amino acids to couple with my multivitamin. Could

it be this simple? We'll see.

[Guest guest]

My Dear ,

It occurred to me that since we've established the time that the

first symptoms showed up by the date of the email saying that on Oct.

27th and 28th I had swollen lips when I woke up -- and we've

eliminated the other two suspects -- I should check the date on the

ibuprofen prescription bottle: October 25th! HaHa!! I probably

picked it up on the 26th and took it that night. For now, the

generic for Motrin is the chief suspect.

I've got the supplier and lot number from the pharmacist. Now the

real detective work begins.

=================

Removing my deerstalker cap for a moment, I must say that it is hard

to believe that anyone would be forced to buy bottled water because

the municipal water supply is being pumped full of ammonia!

Fercyringoutloud! Maybe a grass roots movement to protect the

environment is in order here (no pun intended, of course.) If you

can't trust your prescription drugs and you can't trust your water,

just what CAN you trust?

Red

> > > Well Red, you can probably put that Sherlock Holmes hat and

> > > magnifying glass away now. The bumble bee sting was more than

> > likely

> > > the culprit. Even bumble bees can cause bad reactions.

> > >

> > Oh, Granny, you came so close! You did a lot of work, too!

> > Fortunately, I wrote privately to Jeannette about awaking with

> > swollen lips two mornings in a row. The email was dated October

28

> > and I didn't get stung until NOv. 9th, so it would have had to

have

> > been an anticipatory reaction as well as a delayed one.

> >

> > Sorry, I've got to keep the deerstalker cap on. At least we

> > collectively eliminated one possibility. Now, we're down to

> > chocolate and ??? But, no! Had I been eating chocolate befoe

Oct.

> > 28? I think not. Good work, Sherlock.

> >

> > Now, I'll have to consider Simon's cheery suggestion about icky

> > things in well water. I'll bet all you city water folks have

even

> > worse stuff, but what the heck, it's easy to take a sample and

get

> it

> > tested.

> >

> > I see that there are at least two other threads on this list

having

> > to do with nutrition and supplements as possible therapy for what

> > ails us. This morning, I went to Walmart and bought a reasonably

> > priced bottle of amino acids to couple with my multivitamin.

Could

> > it be this simple? We'll see.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sherlock -

I can trust my kittie cats! Don't ever trust the city council

wherever you live..... LOL! I gag even when using the tap water here

to rinse my teeth after brushing. It's BAAAAAAD!

Yes, refrain from taking the ibuprofen until you get all this gum-

shoeing worked out. Maybe allergy to ibuprofen is a very RARE side

effect, but regardless, it sure scared the crap out of ME! We were

living 11 miles up into a Rocky Mtn canyon, above Boulder and Golden -

probably north of where Elaine is now. With totally iced-up roads,

there was no way I could get to a hospital. I had an old script of

Inderal laying around and took about 40 mg of that (wasn't on it full

time then). It calmed the heart down, which helped. But I was still

on the bathroom floor trying to figure out which end to stick in the

commode, then decided why bother. I had to ride it out for several

hours. I didn't even know about benadryl back then.

Let us know what you come up with. This saga is getting

interesting. Hope your hives are gone by now.

Chris

> > > > Well Red, you can probably put that Sherlock Holmes hat and

> > > > magnifying glass away now. The bumble bee sting was more

than

> > > likely

> > > > the culprit. Even bumble bees can cause bad reactions.

> > > >

> > > Oh, Granny, you came so close! You did a lot of work, too!

> > > Fortunately, I wrote privately to Jeannette about awaking with

> > > swollen lips two mornings in a row. The email was dated

October

> 28

> > > and I didn't get stung until NOv. 9th, so it would have had to

> have

> > > been an anticipatory reaction as well as a delayed one.

> > >

> > > Sorry, I've got to keep the deerstalker cap on. At least we

> > > collectively eliminated one possibility. Now, we're down to

> > > chocolate and ??? But, no! Had I been eating chocolate befoe

> Oct.

> > > 28? I think not. Good work, Sherlock.

> > >

> > > Now, I'll have to consider Simon's cheery suggestion about icky

> > > things in well water. I'll bet all you city water folks have

> even

> > > worse stuff, but what the heck, it's easy to take a sample and

> get

> > it

> > > tested.

> > >

> > > I see that there are at least two other threads on this list

> having

> > > to do with nutrition and supplements as possible therapy for

what

> > > ails us. This morning, I went to Walmart and bought a

reasonably

> > > priced bottle of amino acids to couple with my multivitamin.

> Could

> > > it be this simple? We'll see.