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[Guest guest]

Ruthie said: I don't want to get into this, tbh.

This is just my opinion, of course, but I think the reason that we end up

talking about these Jewish subjects is because you keep bringing them up,

Ruthie!

So if you don't want to discuss something, don't mention it in the first

place. Certainly, don't bring it up along with a value judgement that

others may feel the need to defend, or at least clarify.

Personally, I am really interested in what you tell us, particularly since

I have to preach at church tonight about what Jesus said about the OT and

the law in the Sermon on the Mount.

Joyce

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[Guest guest]

> Ruthie said: I don't want to get into this, tbh.

>

>

> This is just my opinion, of course, but I think the reason that we

end up

> talking about these Jewish subjects is because you keep bringing

them up,

> Ruthie!

> So if you don't want to discuss something, don't mention it in the

first

> place. Certainly, don't bring it up along with a value judgement

that

> others may feel the need to defend, or at least clarify.

I think it is I who gets defensive when my beliefs are challenged I

think. For example, shellfish isn't kosher, but do I really have to

justify why? I don't *know* why, I was casting around for a possible

reason. (I know, I mentioned shellfish in the first place, but I just

feel it's rude not to respond to people when they ask me if the laws

have any reasons behind them.)

But you are right, I shouldn't open my big mouth unless I am prepared

to be challenged about it.

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

Please don't feel the need to be defensive!!! I'm sure no one wants

to make you feel uncomfortable.

Again, totally from my own point of view, sometimes it appears that

you say things about your way of life (your modesty code, for

example), that comes across as 'superior' to those of us who are on

the outside, as it were. I often think, for a split second, that you

must think the rest of us are a bunch of drunken floosies. In my

head, I *know* you don't mean this, but I'm wondering if the

questions you get are perhaps just *clarifying* what you mean so that

we don't start WWIII on the list due to misunderstandings??

Joyce

> > Ruthie said: I don't want to get into this, tbh.

>

> I think it is I who gets defensive when my beliefs are challenged I

> think.

[Guest guest]

Please don't feel the need to be defensive!!! I'm sure no one wants

to make you feel uncomfortable.

Again, totally from my own point of view, sometimes it appears that

you say things about your way of life (your modesty code, for

example), that comes across as 'superior' to those of us who are on

the outside, as it were. I often think, for a split second, that you

must think the rest of us are a bunch of drunken floosies. In my

head, I *know* you don't mean this, but I'm wondering if the

questions you get are perhaps just *clarifying* what you mean so that

we don't start WWIII on the list due to misunderstandings??

Joyce

> > Ruthie said: I don't want to get into this, tbh.

>

> I think it is I who gets defensive when my beliefs are challenged I

> think.

[Guest guest]

> Please don't feel the need to be defensive!!! I'm sure no one wants

> to make you feel uncomfortable.

>

> Again, totally from my own point of view, sometimes it appears that

> you say things about your way of life (your modesty code, for

> example), that comes across as 'superior' to those of us who are on

> the outside, as it were. I often think, for a split second, that

you

> must think the rest of us are a bunch of drunken floosies. In my

> head, I *know* you don't mean this, but I'm wondering if the

> questions you get are perhaps just *clarifying* what you mean so

that

> we don't start WWIII on the list due to misunderstandings??

>

> Joyce

Lord No... I am horrified to think that is how I come across. In fact

I would LOVE to be able to wear low cut and sexy dresses, and not to

have to cover my hair all the time, and wear trousers and shorts,

even though my figure precludes me from them! Our modesty laws are

actually extremely restricting. I would *love* to be able to dance in

a disco, and touch men who aren't related to me, and snog strangers in

a drunken moment and all the fun and sexy things which I know more

about than you will ever believe.

I wasn't always as religious as I am now. Let's leave it at that

That is why we don't understand *anyone* wanting to become

Jewish who isn't born Jewish, becauseit's a PITA (pain in the ****)

most of the time but we do it because we are born to it and we believe

in doing what our faith dictates. But I don't deny for one moment

that I would LOVE to be free to eat in any restaurant anywhere I

chose, and didn't have to take our own food along with us. I would

love not to have to make Passover, and turn our whole house upside

down.

If I wasn't Jewish I could travel anywhere in the world without a

thought about where our food would come from. The men wouldn't have

to think about synagogues and everything wouldn't have to stop for

Sabbath and holidays. And I could go to all those Saturday study days

and conferences I miss out on!

I feel terrible that you think I come across as superior or that I

think of you as drunken floosies. I really really don't. In fact my

NCT friends are the most wonderful non-Jewish friends I have anywhere,

and I just feel awful now. (((((((

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

> Please don't feel the need to be defensive!!! I'm sure no one wants

> to make you feel uncomfortable.

>

> Again, totally from my own point of view, sometimes it appears that

> you say things about your way of life (your modesty code, for

> example), that comes across as 'superior' to those of us who are on

> the outside, as it were. I often think, for a split second, that

you

> must think the rest of us are a bunch of drunken floosies. In my

> head, I *know* you don't mean this, but I'm wondering if the

> questions you get are perhaps just *clarifying* what you mean so

that

> we don't start WWIII on the list due to misunderstandings??

>

> Joyce

Lord No... I am horrified to think that is how I come across. In fact

I would LOVE to be able to wear low cut and sexy dresses, and not to

have to cover my hair all the time, and wear trousers and shorts,

even though my figure precludes me from them! Our modesty laws are

actually extremely restricting. I would *love* to be able to dance in

a disco, and touch men who aren't related to me, and snog strangers in

a drunken moment and all the fun and sexy things which I know more

about than you will ever believe.

I wasn't always as religious as I am now. Let's leave it at that

That is why we don't understand *anyone* wanting to become

Jewish who isn't born Jewish, becauseit's a PITA (pain in the ****)

most of the time but we do it because we are born to it and we believe

in doing what our faith dictates. But I don't deny for one moment

that I would LOVE to be free to eat in any restaurant anywhere I

chose, and didn't have to take our own food along with us. I would

love not to have to make Passover, and turn our whole house upside

down.

If I wasn't Jewish I could travel anywhere in the world without a

thought about where our food would come from. The men wouldn't have

to think about synagogues and everything wouldn't have to stop for

Sabbath and holidays. And I could go to all those Saturday study days

and conferences I miss out on!

I feel terrible that you think I come across as superior or that I

think of you as drunken floosies. I really really don't. In fact my

NCT friends are the most wonderful non-Jewish friends I have anywhere,

and I just feel awful now. (((((((

Ruthie

[Guest guest]

> I feel terrible that you think I come across as superior or that I

> think of you as drunken floosies. I really really don't. In fact my

> NCT friends are the most wonderful non-Jewish friends I have

anywhere,

> and I just feel awful now. (((((((

>

>

> Ruthie

I don't think that at all - and I really enjoy your posts.

Caroline

[Guest guest]

> I feel terrible that you think I come across as superior or that I

> think of you as drunken floosies. I really really don't. In fact my

> NCT friends are the most wonderful non-Jewish friends I have

anywhere,

> and I just feel awful now. (((((((

>

>

> Ruthie

I don't think that at all - and I really enjoy your posts.

Caroline

[Guest guest]

The men wouldn't have

> to think about synagogues and everything wouldn't have to stop for

> Sabbath and holidays. And I could go to all those Saturday study

days

> and conferences I miss out on!

I was thinking about this earlier today when reading about you missing

conference and was wondering if the NCT had considered holding

more study days, etc. on days other than Saturday.

I used to work as a temp in a venerable government institution in the

US which was trying to recruit more minorities and they had one

leadership program that brought in mostly African-Americans, but a few

Hispanics and one very Orthodox Jew. The heads of this program said

they didn't plan to hold things on Friday evenings and Saturdays, but

right at the beginning, they held a social evening schmooze thing on

Friday evening in the middle of winter, so the gentleman in question

had to miss out. I left there not long after, so I don't know if the

directors of the program figured it out or not. Not a good way to

recruit and retain minorities, to say the least.

Phyllis