Re: Adrenals fatigue, and chelation...

[Guest guest]

Jan

I had similar issues with my five-year old son, who does not meet

counting rules, but is close. I came crashing down with amalgam

illness three years after he was born, so it is unrealistic to expect

that he has not been affected by the mercury.

I suspected hypothyroid when I saw that the soles of his feet and the

palms of his hands were dark orange. His digestion was awful -

diarrhea at least 2-3 times a week, blood sugar issues, and more

tired than I would expect a little boy to be. He is also very thin,

and does not particularly enjoy eating.

Blood tests confirmed that he was hypothyroid, and his adrenals were

in bad shape. Cortisol was low, and aldosterone was below range. My

doctor (one of Thierry Hertoghe's colleagues) said that with children

it is possible to heal the adrenals by treating the thyroid. This

alone is enough to stimulate the other glands in the body. He

started off on 30mg Armour, and is currently at 45mg - any more and

he goes a bit hyper.

Five months after his first appointment I can report that the

diarrhea is gone, as is the fatigue. He never says that he is tired

any more, and best of all, tests show that his cortisol and

aldosterone levels have more than doubled from the first tests. I

know these are serum tests, and therefore not the best in terms of

accuracy, but a movement like that must mean something. He is

undoubtedly better than he was, and so we continue, and I really hope

I can heal his adrenals, or make them much better than they were. He

also takes magnesium, probiotics and a multivit / mineral. I am not

chelating him yet - still in two minds about it.

The point of this is to show you that, if the kids are young enough,

adrenal healing can take place simply by treating the thyroid with

Armour. I don't know if your daughter is too old for this already,

but it must be worth a try, before you embark on glandulars or HC?

Good luck

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " Jada "

wrote:

>

> I am chelating my 12 yr old and the rest of us on Andy's protocol.

My

> daughter and I show adrenal fatigue issues. We have been using

adrenal

> cortex to help with that. It has helped a lot. We have 16 round

down.

> The first 10 of hers were dmsa only. However, I began noticing

signs

> of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested, her

> tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her

adrenals

> are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

>

> Andy's book says HC for this problem. However, on AM he recomended

> that we not use HC for kids, unless absolutely necessary and with a

> doc. Just Adrenal cortex.

>

> I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that stopping

> chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need

help.

> Mine probably do too.

>

> I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what others

> have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any they

> have had..etc.

> Thanks in advance

>

[Guest guest]

Jan

I had similar issues with my five-year old son, who does not meet

counting rules, but is close. I came crashing down with amalgam

illness three years after he was born, so it is unrealistic to expect

that he has not been affected by the mercury.

I suspected hypothyroid when I saw that the soles of his feet and the

palms of his hands were dark orange. His digestion was awful -

diarrhea at least 2-3 times a week, blood sugar issues, and more

tired than I would expect a little boy to be. He is also very thin,

and does not particularly enjoy eating.

Blood tests confirmed that he was hypothyroid, and his adrenals were

in bad shape. Cortisol was low, and aldosterone was below range. My

doctor (one of Thierry Hertoghe's colleagues) said that with children

it is possible to heal the adrenals by treating the thyroid. This

alone is enough to stimulate the other glands in the body. He

started off on 30mg Armour, and is currently at 45mg - any more and

he goes a bit hyper.

Five months after his first appointment I can report that the

diarrhea is gone, as is the fatigue. He never says that he is tired

any more, and best of all, tests show that his cortisol and

aldosterone levels have more than doubled from the first tests. I

know these are serum tests, and therefore not the best in terms of

accuracy, but a movement like that must mean something. He is

undoubtedly better than he was, and so we continue, and I really hope

I can heal his adrenals, or make them much better than they were. He

also takes magnesium, probiotics and a multivit / mineral. I am not

chelating him yet - still in two minds about it.

The point of this is to show you that, if the kids are young enough,

adrenal healing can take place simply by treating the thyroid with

Armour. I don't know if your daughter is too old for this already,

but it must be worth a try, before you embark on glandulars or HC?

Good luck

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " Jada "

wrote:

>

> I am chelating my 12 yr old and the rest of us on Andy's protocol.

My

> daughter and I show adrenal fatigue issues. We have been using

adrenal

> cortex to help with that. It has helped a lot. We have 16 round

down.

> The first 10 of hers were dmsa only. However, I began noticing

signs

> of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested, her

> tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her

adrenals

> are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

>

> Andy's book says HC for this problem. However, on AM he recomended

> that we not use HC for kids, unless absolutely necessary and with a

> doc. Just Adrenal cortex.

>

> I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that stopping

> chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need

help.

> Mine probably do too.

>

> I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what others

> have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any they

> have had..etc.

> Thanks in advance

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Jada wrote:

I am chelating my 12 yr old and the rest of us on Andy's protocol. My

daughter and I show adrenal fatigue issues. We have been using adrenal

cortex to help with that. It has helped a lot. We have 16 round down.

The first 10 of hers were dmsa only. However, I began noticing signs

of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested, her

tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her adrenals

are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

--------For a kid, I think I would be real careful and get advice from the A-M

group and Andy, if possible. If the adrenal cortex is helping, I would maybe

ask Andy if you could be taking more. Do you have a doctor that will work with

you on this?----Jackie

Andy's book says HC for this problem. However, on AM he recomended

that we not use HC for kids, unless absolutely necessary and with a

doc. Just Adrenal cortex.

----------I would tend to follow his advice, but find out if you and/or your

daughter could take more adrenal cortex. If you wanted to try something without

a prescription, you could try Isocort, which contains 2.5mg of cortisol per

pellet. That is what I took, before I got a prescription for HC. It did help

alot with fatigue. Maybe you could try it first? I really don't know if you

should give it to your daughter though.-------Jackie

I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that stopping

chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need help.

Mine probably do too.

I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what others

have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any they

have had..etc.

----------Isocort and HC (not taken together) have both helped alot with

fatigue. It is wonderful stuff when you need it. But, it can be abused and

over-done, which I did this fall, with way too much stress-dosing, and now it

has pushed up my blood sugar levels high enough to be considered diabetic. So I

understand why Andy cautions against it, and to only use it when absolutely

necessary, especially in children. I think alot of people here tend to be

hypoglycemic, so maybe will never have the problem I am having, (which may also

be related to my arsenic problem), but being cautious about this is

wise.------------Jackie

Thanks in advance

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Jada wrote:

I am chelating my 12 yr old and the rest of us on Andy's protocol. My

daughter and I show adrenal fatigue issues. We have been using adrenal

cortex to help with that. It has helped a lot. We have 16 round down.

The first 10 of hers were dmsa only. However, I began noticing signs

of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested, her

tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her adrenals

are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

--------For a kid, I think I would be real careful and get advice from the A-M

group and Andy, if possible. If the adrenal cortex is helping, I would maybe

ask Andy if you could be taking more. Do you have a doctor that will work with

you on this?----Jackie

Andy's book says HC for this problem. However, on AM he recomended

that we not use HC for kids, unless absolutely necessary and with a

doc. Just Adrenal cortex.

----------I would tend to follow his advice, but find out if you and/or your

daughter could take more adrenal cortex. If you wanted to try something without

a prescription, you could try Isocort, which contains 2.5mg of cortisol per

pellet. That is what I took, before I got a prescription for HC. It did help

alot with fatigue. Maybe you could try it first? I really don't know if you

should give it to your daughter though.-------Jackie

I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that stopping

chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need help.

Mine probably do too.

I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what others

have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any they

have had..etc.

----------Isocort and HC (not taken together) have both helped alot with

fatigue. It is wonderful stuff when you need it. But, it can be abused and

over-done, which I did this fall, with way too much stress-dosing, and now it

has pushed up my blood sugar levels high enough to be considered diabetic. So I

understand why Andy cautions against it, and to only use it when absolutely

necessary, especially in children. I think alot of people here tend to be

hypoglycemic, so maybe will never have the problem I am having, (which may also

be related to my arsenic problem), but being cautious about this is

wise.------------Jackie

Thanks in advance

[Guest guest]

No doc. I had to insist that they test her thyroid. But they only

did tsh. I sent for the saliva myself because I was not getting any

answers from these docs. Thanks, will check AM.

>

> I am chelating my 12 yr old and the rest of us on Andy's

protocol. My

> daughter and I show adrenal fatigue issues. We have been using

adrenal

> cortex to help with that. It has helped a lot. We have 16 round

down.

> The first 10 of hers were dmsa only. However, I began noticing

signs

> of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested,

her

> tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her

adrenals

> are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

>

> --------For a kid, I think I would be real careful and get

advice from the A-M group and Andy, if possible. If the adrenal

cortex is helping, I would maybe ask Andy if you could be taking

more. Do you have a doctor that will work with you on this?----

Jackie

>

>

>

> Andy's book says HC for this problem. However, on AM he

recomended

> that we not use HC for kids, unless absolutely necessary and

with a

> doc. Just Adrenal cortex.

>

> ----------I would tend to follow his advice, but find out if you

and/or your daughter could take more adrenal cortex. If you wanted

to try something without a prescription, you could try Isocort,

which contains 2.5mg of cortisol per pellet. That is what I took,

before I got a prescription for HC. It did help alot with fatigue.

Maybe you could try it first? I really don't know if you should

give it to your daughter though.-------Jackie

>

>

>

> I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that

stopping

> chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need

help.

> Mine probably do too.

>

> I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what

others

> have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any

they

> have had..etc.

>

> ----------Isocort and HC (not taken together) have both helped

alot with fatigue. It is wonderful stuff when you need it. But, it

can be abused and over-done, which I did this fall, with way too

much stress-dosing, and now it has pushed up my blood sugar levels

high enough to be considered diabetic. So I understand why Andy

cautions against it, and to only use it when absolutely necessary,

especially in children. I think alot of people here tend to be

hypoglycemic, so maybe will never have the problem I am having,

(which may also be related to my arsenic problem), but being

cautious about this is wise.------------Jackie

>

>

>

>

> Thanks in advance

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your experience. All of my research points to treating

adrenals first before using armour. Without enough cortisol, thyroid

hormones cannot get into the cells to work. Since her blood, saliva

levels of thyroid hormone are not below ranges, this suggests those

hormones cannot get into the cells becuase of adrenal fatigue and

too low of cortisol. Using armour first will push the adrenals into

further stress. So it has not been recomended in most cases.(check

www.stopthethyroidmaddness.com) Many adults report serious adrenal

probs when taking armour without supporting the adrenals. So at her

age, I am hesitant to do that.

I was told by Andy to use adrenal cortex extract glandular to

support adrenal function in a child. I need to find out how much

more we can give her, and when it is ok to say that we need HC cause

this is not enough? He says HC should be a last resort in a child.

Her test results show the need for HC...but as we all said..she's a

child. Makes it tricky. I know I need it too, but that's another

story.

Your case may be different in a child so young who has a thyroid

problem. I am glad it's helping him.

I wouldn't sit on the fence to long with chelation. It has recovered

my son in 16 months. He is 5 now, we began shortly after he was 3.

He has had 28 rounds and is doing far better than I ever thought. He

was so PDD before we began. We saw immediate changes in him with the

first round. I have seen many developmental delays go away,

behaviors go away...so many people ask me " what did you do?.He is so

different, so normal now " . For my girls, she has been exposed to a

lot of Hg. More than just in utero, but with vaccines and her own

amalgams. She is toxic, if I can just get through chelation, her

endocrine system may recover.

Thank you again.

>

> Jan

>

> I had similar issues with my five-year old son, who does not meet

> counting rules, but is close. I came crashing down with amalgam

> illness three years after he was born, so it is unrealistic to

expect

> that he has not been affected by the mercury.

>

> I suspected hypothyroid when I saw that the soles of his feet and

the

> palms

[Guest guest]

I started seeing Dr. Wightman at the Holforf Medical group in

Torrance CA, http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/

It's one of many Chronic Fatigue centers around the country. They

check thyroid and adrenals,(amoung other things) then supplement to

get you to MID RANGE not just barely into 'normal' like other

doctors. He listens to how you FEEL and not just relying on the lab

numbers.

He found I had a conversion promblem from T4 to T3 and now I'm

taking 150mg of T3, and felt better within a week. Also take

cortisol 15mg-- again a life saver. He also is treating me for

Candida, Epstein -Barr and Coagulation problems. All the other

doctors ignored my symptoms and told me to go home-- told me I felt

like crap because I was older (41) and have 3 kids.

This is the doctor that also suspected Heavy metal toxicity because

I haven't had a nearly full recovery after several months. I told

him about Cutler and his protocol and he agreed to it once I finish

with my amalgam removal.

I also know a pediatrician that may be open to adrenal and thyroid

problems. She's in Rancho Santa Margarita CA (So. Cal).-- Dr. Del

Valle, Rancho Coto Pediatrics. She's great.

>

> However, I began noticing signs

> of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested,

her

> tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her

adrenals

> are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

>

> >

> I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that stopping

> chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need

help.

> Mine probably do too.

>

> I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what

others

> have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any they

> have had..etc.

> Thanks in advance

>

[Guest guest]

were in Upstate NY, the land of HMO!

>

> No doc. I had to insist that they test her thyroid. But they

only

> did tsh. I sent for the saliva myself because I was not getting

any

> answers from these docs. Thanks, will check AM.

>

>

> -------Totally understand the doctors not getting it. I finally

got fed up and went to see in Seattle. Not sure if

that is an option for you and your daughter, but she does understand

hormones and works with Andy and follows his protocol. I'm not sure

where you live, but have you tried asking on all of these boards if

anybody can recommend a doctor in your area? Might be worth a try.

Otherwise, good luck, I know how frustrating it is working with

these doctors that don't get it.------Jackie

>

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were in Upstate NY, the land of HMO!

>

> No doc. I had to insist that they test her thyroid. But they

only

> did tsh. I sent for the saliva myself because I was not getting

any

> answers from these docs. Thanks, will check AM.

>

>

> -------Totally understand the doctors not getting it. I finally

got fed up and went to see in Seattle. Not sure if

that is an option for you and your daughter, but she does understand

hormones and works with Andy and follows his protocol. I'm not sure

where you live, but have you tried asking on all of these boards if

anybody can recommend a doctor in your area? Might be worth a try.

Otherwise, good luck, I know how frustrating it is working with

these doctors that don't get it.------Jackie

>

>

>

>

>

> Recent Activity

> a.. 7New Members

> b.. 1New Links

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> Healthy Cooking

> on Yahoo! Groups

>

> A place for parents

>

> to share their ideas.

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[Guest guest]

I went back and had a look at your daughter's hair test. Not

sure if there was a later test, but the one I looked at was

all low. This can be a reflection of gut problems. More adrenal

cortex may provide some of the support she needs to deal with

ongoing gut problems, but you may want to work on the gut directly.

Probiotics are important for all, digestive enzymes are very helpful

for some, and vitamin A is needed to support gut immune function.

Perhaps other immune supportive strategies would help, such

as the colostrum I think you mentioned in one of your posts.

If you can't make any progress this way, you may need to consider

a GI test at some point to figure out what is going on.

Another thing to consider is apple cider vinegar before meals to

improve stomach acid levels, or you can give some betaine hcl.

I would start pretty low with the betaine since she may be

sensitive - reduce the dose if she complains of symptoms. You

can work it up over time as tolerated.

For you, I would suggest getting some DHEA and pregnenolone and

give them a try. DHEA supports immune function and protects the

brain among other things, and pregnenolone converts to DHEA and

cortisol. I would start with lower doses than Andy gives in the

book, in case you are sensitive, maybe 5-10 mg DHEA, 10-20 mg

pregnenolone. For me, DHEA made a bigger difference in my energy

level than cortisol, though I find both helpful.

If these don't work, you may want to look for a doctor who can

Rx HC, as well as thyroid hormone.

Don't forget lots of vitamin A for your viral issues, too.

Get palmitate, without any beta carotene since the latter can

cause problems for some of us.

--

>

> I am chelating my 12 yr old and the rest of us on Andy's protocol. My

> daughter and I show adrenal fatigue issues. We have been using adrenal

> cortex to help with that. It has helped a lot. We have 16 round down.

> The first 10 of hers were dmsa only. However, I began noticing signs

> of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested, her

> tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her adrenals

> are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

>

> Andy's book says HC for this problem. However, on AM he recomended

> that we not use HC for kids, unless absolutely necessary and with a

> doc. Just Adrenal cortex.

>

> I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that stopping

> chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need help.

> Mine probably do too.

>

> I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what others

> have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any they

> have had..etc.

> Thanks in advance

>

[Guest guest]

I went back and had a look at your daughter's hair test. Not

sure if there was a later test, but the one I looked at was

all low. This can be a reflection of gut problems. More adrenal

cortex may provide some of the support she needs to deal with

ongoing gut problems, but you may want to work on the gut directly.

Probiotics are important for all, digestive enzymes are very helpful

for some, and vitamin A is needed to support gut immune function.

Perhaps other immune supportive strategies would help, such

as the colostrum I think you mentioned in one of your posts.

If you can't make any progress this way, you may need to consider

a GI test at some point to figure out what is going on.

Another thing to consider is apple cider vinegar before meals to

improve stomach acid levels, or you can give some betaine hcl.

I would start pretty low with the betaine since she may be

sensitive - reduce the dose if she complains of symptoms. You

can work it up over time as tolerated.

For you, I would suggest getting some DHEA and pregnenolone and

give them a try. DHEA supports immune function and protects the

brain among other things, and pregnenolone converts to DHEA and

cortisol. I would start with lower doses than Andy gives in the

book, in case you are sensitive, maybe 5-10 mg DHEA, 10-20 mg

pregnenolone. For me, DHEA made a bigger difference in my energy

level than cortisol, though I find both helpful.

If these don't work, you may want to look for a doctor who can

Rx HC, as well as thyroid hormone.

Don't forget lots of vitamin A for your viral issues, too.

Get palmitate, without any beta carotene since the latter can

cause problems for some of us.

--

>

> I am chelating my 12 yr old and the rest of us on Andy's protocol. My

> daughter and I show adrenal fatigue issues. We have been using adrenal

> cortex to help with that. It has helped a lot. We have 16 round down.

> The first 10 of hers were dmsa only. However, I began noticing signs

> of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested, her

> tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her adrenals

> are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

>

> Andy's book says HC for this problem. However, on AM he recomended

> that we not use HC for kids, unless absolutely necessary and with a

> doc. Just Adrenal cortex.

>

> I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that stopping

> chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need help.

> Mine probably do too.

>

> I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what others

> have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any they

> have had..etc.

> Thanks in advance

>

[Guest guest]

I went back and had a look at your daughter's hair test. Not

sure if there was a later test, but the one I looked at was

all low. This can be a reflection of gut problems. More adrenal

cortex may provide some of the support she needs to deal with

ongoing gut problems, but you may want to work on the gut directly.

Probiotics are important for all, digestive enzymes are very helpful

for some, and vitamin A is needed to support gut immune function.

Perhaps other immune supportive strategies would help, such

as the colostrum I think you mentioned in one of your posts.

If you can't make any progress this way, you may need to consider

a GI test at some point to figure out what is going on.

Another thing to consider is apple cider vinegar before meals to

improve stomach acid levels, or you can give some betaine hcl.

I would start pretty low with the betaine since she may be

sensitive - reduce the dose if she complains of symptoms. You

can work it up over time as tolerated.

For you, I would suggest getting some DHEA and pregnenolone and

give them a try. DHEA supports immune function and protects the

brain among other things, and pregnenolone converts to DHEA and

cortisol. I would start with lower doses than Andy gives in the

book, in case you are sensitive, maybe 5-10 mg DHEA, 10-20 mg

pregnenolone. For me, DHEA made a bigger difference in my energy

level than cortisol, though I find both helpful.

If these don't work, you may want to look for a doctor who can

Rx HC, as well as thyroid hormone.

Don't forget lots of vitamin A for your viral issues, too.

Get palmitate, without any beta carotene since the latter can

cause problems for some of us.

--

>

> I am chelating my 12 yr old and the rest of us on Andy's protocol. My

> daughter and I show adrenal fatigue issues. We have been using adrenal

> cortex to help with that. It has helped a lot. We have 16 round down.

> The first 10 of hers were dmsa only. However, I began noticing signs

> of hypothyroid in her in the past year. I had her blood tested, her

> tsh was a bit high. I had a saliva test done and it shows her adrenals

> are in pretty bad shape, and her T3, T4 are barely in range.

>

> Andy's book says HC for this problem. However, on AM he recomended

> that we not use HC for kids, unless absolutely necessary and with a

> doc. Just Adrenal cortex.

>

> I am at a bit of a loss on how to proceed. It seems that stopping

> chelation won't get us anywhere. Yet, clearly her adrenals need help.

> Mine probably do too.

>

> I am just looking for suggestion or your experiences in what others

> have done to help their adrenals. Or what improvements if any they

> have had..etc.

> Thanks in advance

>

[Guest guest]

Jan

Jan

I know only too well the need for adrenal support before thyroid

treatment - I found out myself the hard way with an adrenal crash on

T4 only meds. But we were able to avoid adrenal support for my son

by going very low and very slow on the Armour. He started at 30mg,

and even now he is only on a dose of 45mg, and this has been enough

to start the adrenal healing process.

But may be with a 12 year old, who is already in puberty, it is

probably too late for that.

Can't get my head around the chelation for my son - he is to all

appearances fine, just some slurry speech, and high hair aluminum.

May be when I am feeling better myself...

Good luck with your daughter.

Best

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " Jada "

wrote:

>

> Thank you for your experience. All of my research points to

treating

> adrenals first before using armour. Without enough cortisol,

thyroid

> hormones cannot get into the cells to work. Since her blood, saliva

> levels of thyroid hormone are not below ranges, this suggests those

> hormones cannot get into the cells becuase of adrenal fatigue and

> too low of cortisol. Using armour first will push the adrenals into

> further stress. So it has not been recomended in most cases.(check

> www.stopthethyroidmaddness.com) Many adults report serious adrenal

> probs when taking armour without supporting the adrenals. So at her

> age, I am hesitant to do that.

>

> I was told by Andy to use adrenal cortex extract glandular to

> support adrenal function in a child. I need to find out how much

> more we can give her, and when it is ok to say that we need HC

cause

> this is not enough? He says HC should be a last resort in a child.

> Her test results show the need for HC...but as we all said..she's a

> child. Makes it tricky. I know I need it too, but that's another

> story.

>

> Your case may be different in a child so young who has a thyroid

> problem. I am glad it's helping him.

>

> I wouldn't sit on the fence to long with chelation. It has

recovered

> my son in 16 months. He is 5 now, we began shortly after he was 3.

> He has had 28 rounds and is doing far better than I ever thought.

He

> was so PDD before we began. We saw immediate changes in him with

the

> first round. I have seen many developmental delays go away,

> behaviors go away...so many people ask me " what did you do?.He is

so

> different, so normal now " . For my girls, she has been exposed to a

> lot of Hg. More than just in utero, but with vaccines and her own

> amalgams. She is toxic, if I can just get through chelation, her

> endocrine system may recover.

>

> Thank you again.

>

>

>

> >

> > Jan

> >

> > I had similar issues with my five-year old son, who does not meet

> > counting rules, but is close. I came crashing down with amalgam

> > illness three years after he was born, so it is unrealistic to

> expect

> > that he has not been affected by the mercury.

> >

> > I suspected hypothyroid when I saw that the soles of his feet and

> the

> > palms

>

[Guest guest]

Jan

Jan

I know only too well the need for adrenal support before thyroid

treatment - I found out myself the hard way with an adrenal crash on

T4 only meds. But we were able to avoid adrenal support for my son

by going very low and very slow on the Armour. He started at 30mg,

and even now he is only on a dose of 45mg, and this has been enough

to start the adrenal healing process.

But may be with a 12 year old, who is already in puberty, it is

probably too late for that.

Can't get my head around the chelation for my son - he is to all

appearances fine, just some slurry speech, and high hair aluminum.

May be when I am feeling better myself...

Good luck with your daughter.

Best

Nicola

-- In frequent-dose-chelation , " Jada "

wrote:

>

> Thank you for your experience. All of my research points to

treating

> adrenals first before using armour. Without enough cortisol,

thyroid

> hormones cannot get into the cells to work. Since her blood, saliva

> levels of thyroid hormone are not below ranges, this suggests those

> hormones cannot get into the cells becuase of adrenal fatigue and

> too low of cortisol. Using armour first will push the adrenals into

> further stress. So it has not been recomended in most cases.(check

> www.stopthethyroidmaddness.com) Many adults report serious adrenal

> probs when taking armour without supporting the adrenals. So at her

> age, I am hesitant to do that.

>

> I was told by Andy to use adrenal cortex extract glandular to

> support adrenal function in a child. I need to find out how much

> more we can give her, and when it is ok to say that we need HC

cause

> this is not enough? He says HC should be a last resort in a child.

> Her test results show the need for HC...but as we all said..she's a

> child. Makes it tricky. I know I need it too, but that's another

> story.

>

> Your case may be different in a child so young who has a thyroid

> problem. I am glad it's helping him.

>

> I wouldn't sit on the fence to long with chelation. It has

recovered

> my son in 16 months. He is 5 now, we began shortly after he was 3.

> He has had 28 rounds and is doing far better than I ever thought.

He

> was so PDD before we began. We saw immediate changes in him with

the

> first round. I have seen many developmental delays go away,

> behaviors go away...so many people ask me " what did you do?.He is

so

> different, so normal now " . For my girls, she has been exposed to a

> lot of Hg. More than just in utero, but with vaccines and her own

> amalgams. She is toxic, if I can just get through chelation, her

> endocrine system may recover.

>

> Thank you again.

>

>

>

> >

> > Jan

> >

> > I had similar issues with my five-year old son, who does not meet

> > counting rules, but is close. I came crashing down with amalgam

> > illness three years after he was born, so it is unrealistic to

> expect

> > that he has not been affected by the mercury.

> >

> > I suspected hypothyroid when I saw that the soles of his feet and

> the

> > palms

>