Re: Chronic fatigue, Diabetes, and Exercise

[Guest guest]

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Hi all:

I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

--------Yes it can be, some of us are more prone to it than

others.-------Jackie

and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

lose weight.

-----------I was told the same thing. Try explaining mercury poisoning and

exercise intolerance from that to them! Diet is also very

important.--------Jackie

Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

effect of chronic mercury exposure)

---------I have this too, yes probably from mercury.--------Jackie

I cant keep any exercise

regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

crash.

----------I did this over and over for years, and never knew what it was.

Over-do and crash, over and over again. So I know what you mean. I used to be

very active and exercise alot and work hard, and I just can't anymore. I pay

too dearly for it. Andy does talk about this in AI, it is ACTH paradoxical

response to stress, and has to do with your pituitary not sending the right

message to your adrenal glands to make more cortisol when you need it. He does

say that in these cases, too much exercise isn't good for you, and needs to be

done in small quantities that don't cause problems. And I recently asked him

what helps, and he said chelation.------Jackie

--------Also, have you had a hair test done? In HTI, Andy says that if your

Calcium and Magnesium are lower than your Sodium and Potassium, then exercise is

probably not a good idea for you and can make you feel worse, and should only be

done in small quantities. My cal/mag was very low on my hair test, so this fits

for me, the exercise intolerance.---------Jackie

--------So I share your frustration about being told to exercise, and not

being able to do it, even if you want to.----------Jackie

I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

-------It's probably going to take much more than 5 rounds to make a

difference. You'll probably have to stick to much lighter exercise for

awhile.--------Jackie

Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

anybody might recommend?

---------Have you had your adrenals tested? Supporting them, if they need it,

can help alot with energy, but you still shouldn't over-do-it with exercise even

then. I take HC, which helps, but I can still crash from over-doing-it. My

adrenals are still weak, and with the paradoxical stress response, I still have

to be careful.--------Jackie

Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

---------Hopefully in the future you will be, but my understanding is that you

may have to be patient and kind to your body for awhile until you get enough

mercury out. I think Klipfel recently posted about walking many miles a

day after enough ALA chelation, so don't give up hope! But I share your same

frustration, I would love to get back to the things I used to do, like

cross-country skiing, etc.------Jackie

---------I have had times when on a round, I tolerated exercise much more than

when off of rounds. So keep that in mind also.--------Jackie

I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

exhaustion I'm always in.

-----------You mention chronic fatigue above, have you been officially

diagnosed with it, and if so, what did/have they tested you for? I was tested

for Lymes Disease, to rule that out, and also did a sleep study to rule out

sleep apnea. How is your diet, and have you done any food allergy testing?

Just wanted to mention these, as they may be contributing also. Although I

think most of mine is from adrenal fatigue, hormone imbalances, and just plain

old toxic.-------Jackie

Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

Vince.

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In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

-------You are right. The pituitary doesn't send the right message to the

adrenal glands to make enough cortisol when you need it. Cortisol should rise

after stress or exercise, and in this case, it falls. Hence the

crash.------Jackie

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

---------I asked Andy about this in a recent post, being exercise intolerant,

having low calcium and magnesium on a hair test, and having paradoxical response

to stress, and what helps, supplementing or chelation, and he said

chelation.-------Jackie

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

--------Weightlifting is probably too intense while you're toxic. Finding the

right amount of lighter exercise that will make you feel good but not make you

crash, is what you need to work towards.---------Jackie

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

----------Yes I think there is, but we might have to be patient in the

meantime. I do recall people mentioning that exercise got easier as they

chelated.-------Jackie

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

-------You are right. The pituitary doesn't send the right message to the

adrenal glands to make enough cortisol when you need it. Cortisol should rise

after stress or exercise, and in this case, it falls. Hence the

crash.------Jackie

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

---------I asked Andy about this in a recent post, being exercise intolerant,

having low calcium and magnesium on a hair test, and having paradoxical response

to stress, and what helps, supplementing or chelation, and he said

chelation.-------Jackie

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

--------Weightlifting is probably too intense while you're toxic. Finding the

right amount of lighter exercise that will make you feel good but not make you

crash, is what you need to work towards.---------Jackie

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

----------Yes I think there is, but we might have to be patient in the

meantime. I do recall people mentioning that exercise got easier as they

chelated.-------Jackie

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

-------You are right. The pituitary doesn't send the right message to the

adrenal glands to make enough cortisol when you need it. Cortisol should rise

after stress or exercise, and in this case, it falls. Hence the

crash.------Jackie

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

---------I asked Andy about this in a recent post, being exercise intolerant,

having low calcium and magnesium on a hair test, and having paradoxical response

to stress, and what helps, supplementing or chelation, and he said

chelation.-------Jackie

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

--------Weightlifting is probably too intense while you're toxic. Finding the

right amount of lighter exercise that will make you feel good but not make you

crash, is what you need to work towards.---------Jackie

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

----------Yes I think there is, but we might have to be patient in the

meantime. I do recall people mentioning that exercise got easier as they

chelated.-------Jackie

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

We have used Siberian Ginseng or Eleuthero for stamina problems with good

results. Most herbs, however, IMHO, are best used for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

We have also used Organic Dessicated Liver and found it helpful, so we alternate

the two.

Re: Re: Chronic fatigue, Diabetes, and

Exercise

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

-------You are right. The pituitary doesn't send the right message to the

adrenal glands to make enough cortisol when you need it. Cortisol should rise

after stress or exercise, and in this case, it falls. Hence the

crash.------Jackie

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

---------I asked Andy about this in a recent post, being exercise intolerant,

having low calcium and magnesium on a hair test, and having paradoxical response

to stress, and what helps, supplementing or chelation, and he said

chelation.-------Jackie

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

--------Weightlifting is probably too intense while you're toxic. Finding the

right amount of lighter exercise that will make you feel good but not make you

crash, is what you need to work towards.---------Jackie

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

----------Yes I think there is, but we might have to be patient in the

meantime. I do recall people mentioning that exercise got easier as they

chelated.-------Jackie

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

We have used Siberian Ginseng or Eleuthero for stamina problems with good

results. Most herbs, however, IMHO, are best used for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

We have also used Organic Dessicated Liver and found it helpful, so we alternate

the two.

Re: Re: Chronic fatigue, Diabetes, and

Exercise

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

-------You are right. The pituitary doesn't send the right message to the

adrenal glands to make enough cortisol when you need it. Cortisol should rise

after stress or exercise, and in this case, it falls. Hence the

crash.------Jackie

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

---------I asked Andy about this in a recent post, being exercise intolerant,

having low calcium and magnesium on a hair test, and having paradoxical response

to stress, and what helps, supplementing or chelation, and he said

chelation.-------Jackie

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

--------Weightlifting is probably too intense while you're toxic. Finding the

right amount of lighter exercise that will make you feel good but not make you

crash, is what you need to work towards.---------Jackie

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

----------Yes I think there is, but we might have to be patient in the

meantime. I do recall people mentioning that exercise got easier as they

chelated.-------Jackie

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

We have used Siberian Ginseng or Eleuthero for stamina problems with good

results. Most herbs, however, IMHO, are best used for 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

We have also used Organic Dessicated Liver and found it helpful, so we alternate

the two.

Re: Re: Chronic fatigue, Diabetes, and

Exercise

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Hey Vince,

I am in a similar boat to you. I love exercise and weightlifting but

doing any major exercise regimen a collapse after like 2 weeks and

crashing afterwards.

From what I understand this is an adrenal problem or paradoxical

response to stress. I don't really understand it, but Andy talks

about it in his book.

-------You are right. The pituitary doesn't send the right message to the

adrenal glands to make enough cortisol when you need it. Cortisol should rise

after stress or exercise, and in this case, it falls. Hence the

crash.------Jackie

I haven't found any perfect solutions, so I would be curious if Andy

or anyone else has anymore input on this subject.

---------I asked Andy about this in a recent post, being exercise intolerant,

having low calcium and magnesium on a hair test, and having paradoxical response

to stress, and what helps, supplementing or chelation, and he said

chelation.-------Jackie

I have lost 100 lbs eating a paleolithic diet of meat, vegetables,

fruit, and nuts. google " paleo diet " This will help diabetes and make

you lose weight and have more energy even without exercise. The

elliptical machine is a good low impact exercise that used to not

cause any problems until I over did it.

After a huge collapse from exhaustion from an intense weightlifting

program I tried for 3 weeks,(which led me to find out about mercury

poisoning) I quit exercising completely. I have felt horrible with no

exercise.

--------Weightlifting is probably too intense while you're toxic. Finding the

right amount of lighter exercise that will make you feel good but not make you

crash, is what you need to work towards.---------Jackie

I have now started trying 4 minute intense tabata interval body weight

exercises every other day with no collapse or adverse effect.

That is push ups/squats 20 seconds on/10 seconds rest 8 times in 4

minutes.

Andy's Book also mentions taking a drug called tegretol to fix the

crashing response to stress thing. From what I understand the side

effects aren't that great.

He also mentions the possibility of creatine before exercising, which

I am planning on trying soon.

For any exercise, take it real easy start very mild and work your way

up, closely monitor how you feel 1-4 hours after the exercise. Only

exercise at an intensity that you feel better 1-4 hours afterwards.

Anyways, I think there is hope that we will be able to exercise again.

----------Yes I think there is, but we might have to be patient in the

meantime. I do recall people mentioning that exercise got easier as they

chelated.-------Jackie

Let me know if you find anything that works for you... I will as

well.. I am determined to get this figured out.

>

> Hi all:

>

> I'm in need of some advice: I have been diagnosed with

> diabetes (no doubt a side effect of chronic mercury exposure)

> and the doctor told me it was imperative that I exercise and

> lose weight. Due to my chronic fatigue (no doubt another side

> effect of chronic mercury exposure) I cant keep any exercise

> regime for more than 2 weeks. Even after light exercise I

> crash. I feel extremely tired, I can't get out of bed, I start

> sleeping 12+ hours a day, my day job becomes unbearable, etc.

> I'm on my 5th chelation round with ALA and things don't seem to

> be getting any better as far as my energy output is concerned.

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

> Would I ever be able to exercise or lift weights like I used to?

>

> I cant't seem to beat this constant and never ending

> exhaustion I'm always in.

>

> Ideas and suggestions welcomed and thanked in advance.

>

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> anybody might recommend?

>

--- You could be really low in zinc - have you had your copper/zinc

levels tested??? High copper and low zinc means exhaustion.

>

> Vince.

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting, I did not know that. I guess the

first thing to do I get a Hair Mineral test, and

a HC test. It seems that my biochemistry is

out of whack. I'll be posting results as they arrive.

My diet is a paleo-diet, mostly meat and some

fruit. The sad thing is that once upon a time

I used to be athletic, and very strong -- I used

to power-lift. Now, I'm a round ball of illness

and sadness that most days can't get out of bed.

It gets me so upset every time I see some article

in a magazine, or medical journal, or the news

stating that " ...there is no link between amalgam

mercury exposure and illness... " . Err, it makes my

blood boil!

Thanks for all the help.

Vince.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:14:59 -0000

" seashell_555 " seashell_555@...> wrote:

> >

> > Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> > anybody might recommend?

> >

> --- You could be really low in zinc - have you had your copper/zinc

> levels tested??? High copper and low zinc means exhaustion.

>

>

> >

> > Vince.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting, I did not know that. I guess the

first thing to do I get a Hair Mineral test, and

a HC test. It seems that my biochemistry is

out of whack. I'll be posting results as they arrive.

My diet is a paleo-diet, mostly meat and some

fruit. The sad thing is that once upon a time

I used to be athletic, and very strong -- I used

to power-lift. Now, I'm a round ball of illness

and sadness that most days can't get out of bed.

It gets me so upset every time I see some article

in a magazine, or medical journal, or the news

stating that " ...there is no link between amalgam

mercury exposure and illness... " . Err, it makes my

blood boil!

Thanks for all the help.

Vince.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:14:59 -0000

" seashell_555 " seashell_555@...> wrote:

> >

> > Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> > anybody might recommend?

> >

> --- You could be really low in zinc - have you had your copper/zinc

> levels tested??? High copper and low zinc means exhaustion.

>

>

> >

> > Vince.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In frequent-dose-chelation Freeman wrote:

Interesting, I did not know that. I guess the

first thing to do I get a Hair Mineral test, and

a HC test. It seems that my biochemistry is

out of whack. I'll be posting results as they arrive.

----------Mercury can mess up alot of things, and many of us are out of whack.

I have alot of things that are low or high or out of balance, and am slowly

working on correcting them. A hair test is a good place to start.--------Jackie

My diet is a paleo-diet, mostly meat and some

fruit. The sad thing is that once upon a time

I used to be athletic, and very strong -- I used

to power-lift. Now, I'm a round ball of illness

and sadness that most days can't get out of bed.

---------I know how frustrating this is. I also used to be very strong and

athletic and could push myself very hard. Now I really pay if I over-do-it.

We'll just have to be patient until we get enough of the mercury out. At least

we're here and on the right path!-----Jackie

It gets me so upset every time I see some article

in a magazine, or medical journal, or the news

stating that " ...there is no link between amalgam

mercury exposure and illness... " . Err, it makes my

blood boil!

----------It's ok to rant, we all need to do it sometimes. That's what's so

great about these groups, having other people who understand!-----Jackie

Thanks for all the help.

Vince.

On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 03:14:59 -0000

" seashell_555 " seashell_555@...> wrote:

> >

> > Are there any energy supplements, herbs, or other nutriceuticals that

> > anybody might recommend?

> >

> --- You could be really low in zinc - have you had your copper/zinc

> levels tested??? High copper and low zinc means exhaustion.

>

>

> >

> > Vince.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>