Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 In frequent-dose-chelation fats_malone2002 wrote: Hi, I typed about this a while back when I had one side of my mouth replaced with porcelain last year. I do not have amalgams, but my composites were old and required replacing. I felt, after the first visit last year, worse and pretty ill and was reluctant to go again. To me it just felt like I had breathed a load of mercury vapor into myself (yet I don't have amalgams). The effects were pretty bad, but I felt I would be ok as time wore on. So I went to the next appointment to finish the other side of the mouth. This was late December last year and since that time (two months), my health has totally and utterly plummeted. I have stuck to an excellent strict healthy diet during all this time to no avail. My symptoms are the following: I have pain and stiffness throughout my body. I have ongoing abdominal cramps that don't let up and cannot stand or walk for long (this is not abnormal, I have a problem there anyway, but it is now worse). I have a feeling of chest tightness/restriction and have been getting wheezing in the lungs. I am utterly exhausted/drugged. My depression has gotten so much worse I can hardly cope. I have lost all interest and motivation and I am all but bedridden. I just barely function and find myself sitting or lying down. I cannot exercise, I break down in tears when I try because there is absolutely zero energy or strength. I can sense and taste metal and feel it sometimes trying to push out. Now, I wasn't great to start with but this has devastated me. Last visit was bad enough, this was obviously the clincher. I cannot make headway and cannot afford chelation. I might be able to get ALA and wondered if I'd get away with this? I cannot stand much more of what I'm suffering and this is part of the reason why I got cerec porcelain dental materials so I'd not have to go back to a dentist again. THis is the story of my life. One visit and I " m FINISHED. But this time I think has been the worst. Everyday I wake up and hope I'll feel better and I don't. At times I feel my body's attempt at excreting something, I can feel toxic metal. I even taste it and sometimes cry a bit and my eyes can sting with it. It is not the porcelain in case anybody is wondering, similar happens to me from just walking into a dental office, even for consultation. ------------I remember you reporting this before, so it makes me wonder if you have an actual *allergy* to mercury, as reported in Melisa tests www.melisa.org That would explain the severe reaction to just mercury vapor from a dentist office.----Jackie But I guess this time it was just double the burden and I'm down for the count. I have even had to get tests for hormones to try and get support for that. -------------Many of us do need a variety of hormonal support, and do feel better if we get this figured out. What kind of tests did you have done? Could you post the results here?-----------Jackie I'm on excellent supplements - A quality vitamin/mineral base powder, vitamin E, vitamin C, magnesium, zinc, fish oil (mercury free), milk thistle etc. What the heck do I do? It's been two months and this has become chronic. People are trying to help me making suggestions and I try, but frankly nothing is really working so far. I cannot go back into a dental office again, this is almost ruining my life. I cannot even go in for a routine check up or clean. I've proven that. Sorry to go on, I just feel desperate and angry and regret going at all, yet at the sametime, my existing materials would have required replacement at some point soon anyway. ----------Hopefully like you say, you have gotten all the dental work behind you and won't have to go back, and can hopefully move forward now, once you get past this current setback. I know how devastating they can be, been there myself and so have others, but things do eventually get better So keep plugging along being good to yourself with your supplements and diet and getting plenty of rest, and try to work on other things like your hormones, and chelation, and hopefully things will start to improve. Hang in there ---------Jackie Again, it's been two months, am I a candidate for ALA? Please help. -----------There has been some recent debate about that. I think in your case, being that you have had your amalgams out for a long time and this was just a dental office exposure, that a couple months is probably long enough to use ALA. What do others think? If you could get some DMSA that would probably be best. Also, have you used ALA in the past, and how well did you tolerate it?--------Jackie Thanks for listening to my rant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 My $0.02: > I cannot go back into a dental office again, this is almost ruining > my life. I cannot even go in for a routine check up or clean. I've > proven that. Sorry to go on, I just feel desperate and angry and > regret going at all, yet at the sametime, my existing materials would > have required replacement at some point soon anyway. There are 2 kinds of dentist: The serial killers ones, unenlightened about mercury (even defending it's use), and the healers (called Biological or Mercury Free Dentistry). The latter understands mercury toxicity and its proper disposal. My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd dentist were the serial killer kinds, one step in their office and I paid *DEARLY* for months to come. If you ever have to use a dentist again, make sure they are mercury free and knowledgeable about toxicity issues. They have special equipment and know how to help you without killing you. If you get that sick, like me, with minimal exposure, you are probably genetically predisposed to be allergic to mercury. Something to keep in mind. There's something really important that you *NEED* to know: *IF YOU HANG IN THERE AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS IT WILL GET BETTER* I suffered the most heinous depression for almost 3 years, and I found myself suicidal. If you find yourself *DEPRESSED* and are *CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE*, please, please, call the suicide hotline at: 1-. They saved my life more than once. Remember: *IF YOU DIE, YOU WILL NEVER GET BETTER, AND MISS OUT ON THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS IN LIFE*. Take it from somebody who has been there. > ----------Hopefully like you say, you have gotten all the dental work > behind you and won't have to go back, and can hopefully move forward > now, once you get past this current setback. I know how devastating > they can be, been there myself and so have others, but things do > eventually get better So keep plugging along being good to yourself > with your supplements and diet and getting plenty of rest, and try to > work on other things like your hormones, and chelation, and hopefully > things will start to improve. Hang in there ---------Jackie > As always great advice worth pursuing, I would add the following: 1. Get the cheapest Juicer you can afford, and juice plenty of fruits and vegetables. 2. If you can, try to get some sunlight and fresh air. 3. Try to surround yourself with positive, loving, and caring people. 4. Aside from your supplements, your diet is one of the most important tools to manage your symptoms. Do the usual: Avoid processed foods, eat as natural as possible, lots of veggies and fruits, and watch your bad fats and sugars. 5. As previously mentioned by Jackie, *REST*, *REST*, and don't stress your endocrine system. 8) 6. Your adrenal are *REALLY* important. Diagnosing and treating your adrenal could save you from a lot of physical and emotional discomfort. 7. *READ*, *READ*, *READ*, everything and anything pertaining to mercury toxicity and recovery: knowledge is power! *WITH TIME THINGS WILL IMPROVE* > > Again, it's been two months, am I a candidate for ALA? Please help. > > -----------There has been some recent debate about that. I think > in your case, being that you have had your amalgams out for a long > time and this was just a dental office exposure, that a couple months > is probably long enough to use ALA. What do others think? If you could > get some DMSA that would probably be best. Also, have you used ALA in > the past, and how well did you tolerate it?--------Jackie > My humble opinion: I would wait up to four months, this based on my experience. If you are as allergic to mercury as I am, your body is probably very thrashed, requiring more caution, and longer periods of recuperation. Your supplements, diet, and prescribed medications are your tools to repair your body and get it ready for the next assault (chelation). *YOU* should listen to your body. It is you who is going to live with the symptoms of mercury redistributing later on when you start and stop chelation, choose wisely, be kind to yourself, when in doubt: go slow. > > Thanks for listening to my rant. > You are a beautiful child of creation please don't forget that. Here you are surrounded by *VERY* knowledgeable and caring people. If there is a place to be, is here!, and remember: *IT WILL GET BETTER* Cheers, Vince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 My $0.02: > I cannot go back into a dental office again, this is almost ruining > my life. I cannot even go in for a routine check up or clean. I've > proven that. Sorry to go on, I just feel desperate and angry and > regret going at all, yet at the sametime, my existing materials would > have required replacement at some point soon anyway. There are 2 kinds of dentist: The serial killers ones, unenlightened about mercury (even defending it's use), and the healers (called Biological or Mercury Free Dentistry). The latter understands mercury toxicity and its proper disposal. My 1st, 2nd, and 3rd dentist were the serial killer kinds, one step in their office and I paid *DEARLY* for months to come. If you ever have to use a dentist again, make sure they are mercury free and knowledgeable about toxicity issues. They have special equipment and know how to help you without killing you. If you get that sick, like me, with minimal exposure, you are probably genetically predisposed to be allergic to mercury. Something to keep in mind. There's something really important that you *NEED* to know: *IF YOU HANG IN THERE AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS IT WILL GET BETTER* I suffered the most heinous depression for almost 3 years, and I found myself suicidal. If you find yourself *DEPRESSED* and are *CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE*, please, please, call the suicide hotline at: 1-. They saved my life more than once. Remember: *IF YOU DIE, YOU WILL NEVER GET BETTER, AND MISS OUT ON THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS IN LIFE*. Take it from somebody who has been there. > ----------Hopefully like you say, you have gotten all the dental work > behind you and won't have to go back, and can hopefully move forward > now, once you get past this current setback. I know how devastating > they can be, been there myself and so have others, but things do > eventually get better So keep plugging along being good to yourself > with your supplements and diet and getting plenty of rest, and try to > work on other things like your hormones, and chelation, and hopefully > things will start to improve. Hang in there ---------Jackie > As always great advice worth pursuing, I would add the following: 1. Get the cheapest Juicer you can afford, and juice plenty of fruits and vegetables. 2. If you can, try to get some sunlight and fresh air. 3. Try to surround yourself with positive, loving, and caring people. 4. Aside from your supplements, your diet is one of the most important tools to manage your symptoms. Do the usual: Avoid processed foods, eat as natural as possible, lots of veggies and fruits, and watch your bad fats and sugars. 5. As previously mentioned by Jackie, *REST*, *REST*, and don't stress your endocrine system. 8) 6. Your adrenal are *REALLY* important. Diagnosing and treating your adrenal could save you from a lot of physical and emotional discomfort. 7. *READ*, *READ*, *READ*, everything and anything pertaining to mercury toxicity and recovery: knowledge is power! *WITH TIME THINGS WILL IMPROVE* > > Again, it's been two months, am I a candidate for ALA? Please help. > > -----------There has been some recent debate about that. I think > in your case, being that you have had your amalgams out for a long > time and this was just a dental office exposure, that a couple months > is probably long enough to use ALA. What do others think? If you could > get some DMSA that would probably be best. Also, have you used ALA in > the past, and how well did you tolerate it?--------Jackie > My humble opinion: I would wait up to four months, this based on my experience. If you are as allergic to mercury as I am, your body is probably very thrashed, requiring more caution, and longer periods of recuperation. Your supplements, diet, and prescribed medications are your tools to repair your body and get it ready for the next assault (chelation). *YOU* should listen to your body. It is you who is going to live with the symptoms of mercury redistributing later on when you start and stop chelation, choose wisely, be kind to yourself, when in doubt: go slow. > > Thanks for listening to my rant. > You are a beautiful child of creation please don't forget that. Here you are surrounded by *VERY* knowledgeable and caring people. If there is a place to be, is here!, and remember: *IT WILL GET BETTER* Cheers, Vince. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Hi Vince, thanks for your $0.2 cents worth lol. You gave much more value than that. Really appreciate your kind comments too. > > My $0.02: > > > > There's something really important that you *NEED* to know: > *IF YOU HANG IN THERE AND DO THE RIGHT THINGS IT WILL GET BETTER* > > I suffered the most heinous depression for almost 3 years, and I found > myself suicidal. > > If you find yourself *DEPRESSED* and are *CONTEMPLATING SUICIDE*, please, > please, call the suicide hotline at: 1-. They saved my life > more than once. Remember: *IF YOU DIE, YOU WILL NEVER GET BETTER, AND > MISS OUT ON THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS IN LIFE*. Take it from somebody > who has been there. *****Yep, I know how this feels. I've suffered it alot over the last 20 years of my life. Been close many times. Sorry you've suffered this also. I'm very lucky that I have such supportive parents, such great people over the internet, and my faith. > > > > I would add the following: > 1. Get the cheapest Juicer you can afford, and juice plenty of fruits > and vegetables. > 2. If you can, try to get some sunlight and fresh air. > 3. Try to surround yourself with positive, loving, and caring people. > 4. Aside from your supplements, your diet is one of the most important > tools to manage your symptoms. Do the usual: Avoid processed foods, > eat as natural as possible, lots of veggies and fruits, and watch your > bad fats and sugars. > 5. As previously mentioned by Jackie, *REST*, *REST*, and don't stress > your endocrine system. 8) > 6. Your adrenal are *REALLY* important. Diagnosing and treating your > adrenal could save you from a lot of physical and emotional discomfort. > 7. *READ*, *READ*, *READ*, everything and anything pertaining to > mercury toxicity and recovery: knowledge is power! > > *WITH TIME THINGS WILL IMPROVE* ***** Thanks for that. I cannot have any fruit at all. I have severe bacteria/yeast problems and one piece of fruit can cause a relapse. So I'm stuck with vegetables (excluding potatoes and corn due to high carbs). I can of course juice those! I don't have a juicer as yet. We have vegetable juice here called V8 in supermarkets, which may not be ideal, but apparently it's good stuff. *****Yeah, it seems gland wise, my issues according to my doctor are thyroid more than adrenal related. Nt sure about that, but I'm willing to try the stuff she's already given me. Thyroid (natural from a pig), iodine and of course supportive supplements. *****I don't have much choice than to rest, I am actually so exhausted I can barely move around. If I try exercising, I usually break down. It's pointless. I also get symptoms of worsening with the viral infection I have. I've had the bacterial infection since 2003. It has never improved. Even with all exhaustive efforts. *****My diet is excellent. I follow mainly the Weston Price type diet. It's all I can handle. I eat eggs, meats/chicken/liver, vegetables, acidophilus yoghurt, raw nuts, butter, olive oil, mercury free fish oil. The fats I eat are proven to aid healing. I've done a lot of reading about it and it's the only one that has helped me at all. any deviation causes an even worse problem. I do not eat sugars of any kind, I do not eat wheat/gluten or any processed type foods. I avoid caffeine for the most part. I have herbal teas, lemon juice in water with vitamin C and just plain water. My supplements include a powdered multi vitamin/mineral complex supplement from a reputable lab, I have magnesium, zinc, vitamin E, milk thistle, fish oil (mercury free). and of course the glandular support, which I haven't started on yet. *****I am also taking my temperature daily and noting this down. I'll do this for a week before I start the gland stuff. Then I'll check it again and see the difference. ALA - > My humble opinion: I would wait up to four months, this based on my > experience. If you are as allergic to mercury as I am, your body is > probably very thrashed, requiring more caution, and longer periods of > recuperation. Your supplements, diet, and prescribed medications are your > tools to repair your body and get it ready for the next assault (chelation). > *YOU* should listen to your body. It is you who is going to live with > the symptoms of mercury redistributing later on when you start and stop > chelation, choose wisely, be kind to yourself, when in doubt: go slow. *****Thanks I think I'll take your advice. I am highly allergic to mercury and any metals. My system has been stuffed even more from virus and infections, which has done even more damage than the mercury did. At least with mercury I coudl detox it back then, since these infections, things came to a standstill. I almost stopped healing. I was doing pretty darned well before them and healing from my many years of being mercury poisoned. > > > > > > > You are a beautiful child of creation please don't forget that. > Here you are surrounded by *VERY* knowledgeable and caring > people. If there is a place to be, is here!, and remember: > *IT WILL GET BETTER* > *****Thanks Vince, this means a lot. Great to get on here and receive such support, as well as helpful advice. I think a lot of my issues are infection related these days, but problem is, entering a dental office with mercury in there is enough to penetrate my vulnerable system and poison me easily and remain there for a long time. PS, Since my viral infection (whatever it is, bacterial), I have had this issue with dental office mercury vapor. This is something so bad that I stopped going into a dental office, even for routine clean ups. But from time to time I went for other reasons (retesting of composites and consultation for replacement to get more biocompatible materials). I was in a biologic dental office for that and this office was not only NEW, but the guy uses the most sophisticated extraction system for removing airborne mercury. He is extremely careful and knowledgeable, and I STILL got poisoned. I was only in there for about an hour or so. Eventually I didn't go back because of that, but also because I couldn't keep travelling 9 hours to get there. So this time I searched for a local dentist to get cerec porcelain, so that I would not require (hopefully) any future visits to an office again. I needed something more permanent. At any rate, this dentist was not biologic, but he was highly experienced in replacing cerec. I needed someone like that. He did a brilliant job of my teeth, he also found a bit of residue amalgam under one of my old top composites! So that was an unpleasant discovery. Luckily there was no more. He is not biologic, but he was kind enough to clean things out for me. However, again, the visits to him for this have left me in a very bad way as I've said. So if the biologic dental office hurt me, then year I guess this has flattened me! Either that or perhaps I was in a more vulnerable state when I saw this one. I also was in there for 4 hours and had anaesthetic too, so that would have made things worse. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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