Update...

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

I was posting a few years ago and wanted to update you on some things

I've learned since then. I got an 8.3 out of 9 on a DMSA mercury

chelation challenge when I was 30. I'm now 41. I did several months

of sauna, and several rounds, probably a year or more total of Andy's

protocol and I know it worked but I got tired of detox as it seems

that no matter how much I do, there is an endless well of mercury in

my body. I am now eating to avoid any kind of detox so I can just

live my life. The second I become toxic, I become suicidal, don't

want to be on this planet anymore, and I'm not willing to put myself

through that anymore. If I do everything right, I can work out and

ride my mtn. bike 20 miles every other day.

For what it's worth, this is the stuff I wish I'd known a long time

ago:

Any raw fruit of veggies, or curry detoxify me like crazy. Pectin is

the culprit. Clear juices are fine. Anything dark green is a no-no

for me too. And citrus -- no o.j. or lemons.

I also need massive doses of iron, all month long. Like 100-200 mg

twice a day. Any less and I get the esophogeal rings to which I have

a genetic predisposition (throat constricts like a rubber band is

around it, when iron levels are low). Can anyone explain the need

for this much iron? I thought maybe it was pernicious anemia or

something, or my body just doesn't process iron well? Is it the

mercury? My first plateau came when I realized I was anemic.

The next planteau was the discovery of 7-keto. I need 200 mg a day

to feel good. Any less and I start to crash and burn. Huge change

when I got on the keto. Huuuuge.

Adrenals. Huge. Bovine adrenal cortex. Best stuff ever. How much

can I safely take and for how long? I started this last winter and

was bulletproof for six months. Felt fantastic. Then stopped and

started melting down again. 6 months later I was an absolute wreck

again. Maybe I just need to be on that stuff the rest of my life.

My eyes are really sunken underneath and I know that's an adrenal

thing. I'm also on hydrolized collagen which I love.

When I was first toxic, everyone was telling me how to detox. What I

needed to do was rebuild before anything else. I needed to know how

to stop the detox long enough to get my footing, so I could control

it. People meant well but I've yet to see anyone talk about how to

get yourself out of crisis, how to feel better.

Any input on any of the things I mentioned would be appreciated. I

nearly died 11 years ago. I was in bed for 2 years. I'm now on the

road full time with my internet business, mtn. biking all over the

country. If you're sick, know that it does get better.

Big hug to all....

j.

[Guest guest]

Jen:

Congratulations on finding a way to stay well. But you're a young woman -

wouldn't it make sense to keep chelating, even if it takes a few more years?

A doc who does Andy's protocol told me it can take up to 4 years. That

would be, say, 3 more years for you. Why not find a conservative dose that

you can keep doing comfortably, and keep going? Hopefully, that way you can

be really healthy in a few years, to the point where you will not have to

rely on dietary manipulations and supplements to feel great.

Dean

Update...

Hi All,

I was posting a few years ago and wanted to update you on some things

I've learned since then. I got an 8.3 out of 9 on a DMSA mercury

chelation challenge when I was 30. I'm now 41. I did several months

of sauna, and several rounds, probably a year or more total of Andy's

protocol and I know it worked but I got tired of detox as it seems

that no matter how much I do, there is an endless well of mercury in

my body. I am now eating to avoid any kind of detox so I can just

live my life. The second I become toxic, I become suicidal, don't

want to be on this planet anymore, and I'm not willing to put myself

through that anymore. If I do everything right, I can work out and

ride my mtn. bike 20 miles every other day.

For what it's worth, this is the stuff I wish I'd known a long time

ago:

Any raw fruit of veggies, or curry detoxify me like crazy. Pectin is

the culprit. Clear juices are fine. Anything dark green is a no-no

for me too. And citrus -- no o.j. or lemons.

I also need massive doses of iron, all month long. Like 100-200 mg

twice a day. Any less and I get the esophogeal rings to which I have

a genetic predisposition (throat constricts like a rubber band is

around it, when iron levels are low). Can anyone explain the need

for this much iron? I thought maybe it was pernicious anemia or

something, or my body just doesn't process iron well? Is it the

mercury? My first plateau came when I realized I was anemic.

The next planteau was the discovery of 7-keto. I need 200 mg a day

to feel good. Any less and I start to crash and burn. Huge change

when I got on the keto. Huuuuge.

Adrenals. Huge. Bovine adrenal cortex. Best stuff ever. How much

can I safely take and for how long? I started this last winter and

was bulletproof for six months. Felt fantastic. Then stopped and

started melting down again. 6 months later I was an absolute wreck

again. Maybe I just need to be on that stuff the rest of my life.

My eyes are really sunken underneath and I know that's an adrenal

thing. I'm also on hydrolized collagen which I love.

When I was first toxic, everyone was telling me how to detox. What I

needed to do was rebuild before anything else. I needed to know how

to stop the detox long enough to get my footing, so I could control

it. People meant well but I've yet to see anyone talk about how to

get yourself out of crisis, how to feel better.

Any input on any of the things I mentioned would be appreciated. I

nearly died 11 years ago. I was in bed for 2 years. I'm now on the

road full time with my internet business, mtn. biking all over the

country. If you're sick, know that it does get better.

Big hug to all....

j.

[Guest guest]

Jen:

Congratulations on finding a way to stay well. But you're a young woman -

wouldn't it make sense to keep chelating, even if it takes a few more years?

A doc who does Andy's protocol told me it can take up to 4 years. That

would be, say, 3 more years for you. Why not find a conservative dose that

you can keep doing comfortably, and keep going? Hopefully, that way you can

be really healthy in a few years, to the point where you will not have to

rely on dietary manipulations and supplements to feel great.

Dean

Update...

Hi All,

I was posting a few years ago and wanted to update you on some things

I've learned since then. I got an 8.3 out of 9 on a DMSA mercury

chelation challenge when I was 30. I'm now 41. I did several months

of sauna, and several rounds, probably a year or more total of Andy's

protocol and I know it worked but I got tired of detox as it seems

that no matter how much I do, there is an endless well of mercury in

my body. I am now eating to avoid any kind of detox so I can just

live my life. The second I become toxic, I become suicidal, don't

want to be on this planet anymore, and I'm not willing to put myself

through that anymore. If I do everything right, I can work out and

ride my mtn. bike 20 miles every other day.

For what it's worth, this is the stuff I wish I'd known a long time

ago:

Any raw fruit of veggies, or curry detoxify me like crazy. Pectin is

the culprit. Clear juices are fine. Anything dark green is a no-no

for me too. And citrus -- no o.j. or lemons.

I also need massive doses of iron, all month long. Like 100-200 mg

twice a day. Any less and I get the esophogeal rings to which I have

a genetic predisposition (throat constricts like a rubber band is

around it, when iron levels are low). Can anyone explain the need

for this much iron? I thought maybe it was pernicious anemia or

something, or my body just doesn't process iron well? Is it the

mercury? My first plateau came when I realized I was anemic.

The next planteau was the discovery of 7-keto. I need 200 mg a day

to feel good. Any less and I start to crash and burn. Huge change

when I got on the keto. Huuuuge.

Adrenals. Huge. Bovine adrenal cortex. Best stuff ever. How much

can I safely take and for how long? I started this last winter and

was bulletproof for six months. Felt fantastic. Then stopped and

started melting down again. 6 months later I was an absolute wreck

again. Maybe I just need to be on that stuff the rest of my life.

My eyes are really sunken underneath and I know that's an adrenal

thing. I'm also on hydrolized collagen which I love.

When I was first toxic, everyone was telling me how to detox. What I

needed to do was rebuild before anything else. I needed to know how

to stop the detox long enough to get my footing, so I could control

it. People meant well but I've yet to see anyone talk about how to

get yourself out of crisis, how to feel better.

Any input on any of the things I mentioned would be appreciated. I

nearly died 11 years ago. I was in bed for 2 years. I'm now on the

road full time with my internet business, mtn. biking all over the

country. If you're sick, know that it does get better.

Big hug to all....

j.

[Guest guest]

Jen:

Congratulations on finding a way to stay well. But you're a young woman -

wouldn't it make sense to keep chelating, even if it takes a few more years?

A doc who does Andy's protocol told me it can take up to 4 years. That

would be, say, 3 more years for you. Why not find a conservative dose that

you can keep doing comfortably, and keep going? Hopefully, that way you can

be really healthy in a few years, to the point where you will not have to

rely on dietary manipulations and supplements to feel great.

Dean

Update...

Hi All,

I was posting a few years ago and wanted to update you on some things

I've learned since then. I got an 8.3 out of 9 on a DMSA mercury

chelation challenge when I was 30. I'm now 41. I did several months

of sauna, and several rounds, probably a year or more total of Andy's

protocol and I know it worked but I got tired of detox as it seems

that no matter how much I do, there is an endless well of mercury in

my body. I am now eating to avoid any kind of detox so I can just

live my life. The second I become toxic, I become suicidal, don't

want to be on this planet anymore, and I'm not willing to put myself

through that anymore. If I do everything right, I can work out and

ride my mtn. bike 20 miles every other day.

For what it's worth, this is the stuff I wish I'd known a long time

ago:

Any raw fruit of veggies, or curry detoxify me like crazy. Pectin is

the culprit. Clear juices are fine. Anything dark green is a no-no

for me too. And citrus -- no o.j. or lemons.

I also need massive doses of iron, all month long. Like 100-200 mg

twice a day. Any less and I get the esophogeal rings to which I have

a genetic predisposition (throat constricts like a rubber band is

around it, when iron levels are low). Can anyone explain the need

for this much iron? I thought maybe it was pernicious anemia or

something, or my body just doesn't process iron well? Is it the

mercury? My first plateau came when I realized I was anemic.

The next planteau was the discovery of 7-keto. I need 200 mg a day

to feel good. Any less and I start to crash and burn. Huge change

when I got on the keto. Huuuuge.

Adrenals. Huge. Bovine adrenal cortex. Best stuff ever. How much

can I safely take and for how long? I started this last winter and

was bulletproof for six months. Felt fantastic. Then stopped and

started melting down again. 6 months later I was an absolute wreck

again. Maybe I just need to be on that stuff the rest of my life.

My eyes are really sunken underneath and I know that's an adrenal

thing. I'm also on hydrolized collagen which I love.

When I was first toxic, everyone was telling me how to detox. What I

needed to do was rebuild before anything else. I needed to know how

to stop the detox long enough to get my footing, so I could control

it. People meant well but I've yet to see anyone talk about how to

get yourself out of crisis, how to feel better.

Any input on any of the things I mentioned would be appreciated. I

nearly died 11 years ago. I was in bed for 2 years. I'm now on the

road full time with my internet business, mtn. biking all over the

country. If you're sick, know that it does get better.

Big hug to all....

j.

[Guest guest]

Yeah, before I figured out the mercury connection I decided myself

that I was bipolar at 23, was on meds for 8 years. Of course they

happily agreed. I started having severe panic attacks when I took the

meds as the mercury situation worsened. My own mother tried to have

my committed (and failed, I wasted my last brain cell talking my way

through that and in the end they were ready to commit *her*) when, in

hindsight, I know my neurological system ws melting down and I was

severely anemic. Have been so through the ringer and have so

thoroughly rejected western medicine at this point I will never take

perscription medicine again, for any reason.

I'm strictly Eastern at this point, and have pretty much become my

own doctor. I am very glad to have finally cleared the residue of

those drugs from my system after 10+ years. I'd rather gut it out and

try to compensate with C and herbal support than go down that path

again. I will never again go on record as " depressed " -- it's the

kiss of death and a guarantee you'll never be beleived or taken

seriously again by any western doctor.

Earlier I mentioned pernicious anemia. I misspoke. I

meant " hemolytic " anemia. I just know I need a hhhhheck of a lot of

iron.

Of everything really. Maybe I need it because of the high burden of

mercury, to make it a " fair fight " .

j.

> >

> > Well, that's good to hear.

> >

> > But I am in debt and I become depressed and very soon, suicidal,

when

> > I chelate

>

>

> Some people need appropriate support for mood problems during

> chelation, to make it safe and tolerable. I suggest you look

> into supplements or Rx medications that can help. It is likely

> you also need adrenal support. There are practitioners familiar

> with Andy's protocol who may be able to help you. See the files

> for " Practitioners recommended... " .

>

> Until you can get this type of support, it sounds like you are

> better off not chelating.

>

> --

>

>

>

>

>

> and I have yet to even build a life for myself. Never mind

> > that right now I cannot bear one more bad day. I have been

through a

> > hell that is beyond words, and I need to live for a few years, to

get

> > some money in the bank, to feel the sun on my face. I haven't

had

> > sex in *8 years*. I can't do this anymore. Not now. If someone

> > could tell me that five months would do it, I might be able to

hit it

> > hard and get it out, but I feel fantastic when I avoid chelation

of

> > any kind and I haven't haven't felt fantastic since I was about

three

> > years old. I need some bliss to help heal the effects of all

that

> > trauma. A person can only take so much.

> >

> > Very good to know that though. That's enough to make me want to

do

> > it eventually. But not for awhile. I have one bad day right now

and

> > my mind goes directly to suicide. I literally don't think I will

> > survive chelation until I have more things going right. Money in

the

> > bank...anything. Especially with the economy the way it is.

> >

> > j.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It's hard to be motivated to do more detox when I've seen absolutely

no lessening in the severity of the detox reaction. And I feel

fantastic when I just avoid detox altogether. It's hard to believe

that one day it will just have no effect.

My gut says I need to get my adrenals strong again -- really strong,

which I'm told takes about 2 years -- before I hit them with more

toxins.

Does anyone know how much adrenal cortex you can take? I put off

taking that for so many years because it sounded so extreme. Wish I

hadn't. It brought me back to life. I'm 5'7 " and 120 lbs.

Thanks...

j.

>

> Jen:

>

> Congratulations on finding a way to stay well. But you're a young

woman -

> wouldn't it make sense to keep chelating, even if it takes a few

more years?

> A doc who does Andy's protocol told me it can take up to 4 years.

That

> would be, say, 3 more years for you. Why not find a conservative

dose that

> you can keep doing comfortably, and keep going? Hopefully, that

way you can

> be really healthy in a few years, to the point where you will not

have to

> rely on dietary manipulations and supplements to feel great.

>

> Dean

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hugs to you, Jen, it sounds like you've had a rough time of it, too. I get

discouraged, too, and depressed that this will *never* end...but then I get my

second wind, and start again...

You might try lowering your dose, adding more support for the adrenals and for

the liver, ala Milk Thistle. I upped my milk thistle, and adrenal support, and

feel much better afterward.

Robyn

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Well, that's good to hear.

But I am in debt and I become depressed and very soon, suicidal, when

I chelate and I have yet to even build a life for myself. Never mind

that right now I cannot bear one more bad day. I have been through a

hell that is beyond words, and I need to live for a few years, to get

some money in the bank, to feel the sun on my face. I haven't had

sex in *8 years*. I can't do this anymore. Not now. If someone

could tell me that five months would do it, I might be able to hit it

hard and get it out, but I feel fantastic when I avoid chelation of

any kind and I haven't haven't felt fantastic since I was about three

years old. I need some bliss to help heal the effects of all that

trauma. A person can only take so much.

Very good to know that though. That's enough to make me want to do

it eventually. But not for awhile. I have one bad day right now and

my mind goes directly to suicide. I literally don't think I will

survive chelation until I have more things going right. Money in the

bank...anything. Especially with the economy the way it is.

j.

>

> Jen:

>

> Congratulations on finding a way to stay well. But you're a young

woman -

> wouldn't it make sense to keep chelating, even if it takes a few

more years?

> A doc who does Andy's protocol told me it can take up to 4 years.

That

> would be, say, 3 more years for you. Why not find a conservative

dose that

> you can keep doing comfortably, and keep going? Hopefully, that

way you can

> be really healthy in a few years, to the point where you will not

have to

> rely on dietary manipulations and supplements to feel great.

>

> Dean

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[Guest guest]

Jen:

I know a doc who does Andy's protocol and starts patients on 1 mg dmsa and 1

mg ala. If people are REALLY sensitive, he starts them on 1/10 mg of each!

My point is that I would hope you could find a teensy weensy dose that would

allow you to continue feeling just the way you do now, while still getting

the mercury out, ever so slowly and ever so gently. You've come to

associate detoxing with abject suicidal misery. It doesn't have to be.

Dean

Update...

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> I was posting a few years ago and wanted to update you on some

things

> I've learned since then. I got an 8.3 out of 9 on a DMSA mercury

> chelation challenge when I was 30. I'm now 41. I did several

months

> of sauna, and several rounds, probably a year or more total of

Andy's

> protocol and I know it worked but I got tired of detox as it seems

> that no matter how much I do, there is an endless well of mercury

in

> my body. I am now eating to avoid any kind of detox so I can just

> live my life. The second I become toxic, I become suicidal, don't

> want to be on this planet anymore, and I'm not willing to put

myself

> through that anymore. If I do everything right, I can work out and

> ride my mtn. bike 20 miles every other day.

>

> For what it's worth, this is the stuff I wish I'd known a long

time

> ago:

>

> Any raw fruit of veggies, or curry detoxify me like crazy. Pectin

is

> the culprit. Clear juices are fine. Anything dark green is a no-no

> for me too. And citrus -- no o.j. or lemons.

>

> I also need massive doses of iron, all month long. Like 100-200 mg

> twice a day. Any less and I get the esophogeal rings to which I

have

> a genetic predisposition (throat constricts like a rubber band is

> around it, when iron levels are low). Can anyone explain the need

> for this much iron? I thought maybe it was pernicious anemia or

> something, or my body just doesn't process iron well? Is it the

> mercury? My first plateau came when I realized I was anemic.

>

> The next planteau was the discovery of 7-keto. I need 200 mg a day

> to feel good. Any less and I start to crash and burn. Huge change

> when I got on the keto. Huuuuge.

>

> Adrenals. Huge. Bovine adrenal cortex. Best stuff ever. How much

> can I safely take and for how long? I started this last winter and

> was bulletproof for six months. Felt fantastic. Then stopped and

> started melting down again. 6 months later I was an absolute wreck

> again. Maybe I just need to be on that stuff the rest of my life.

> My eyes are really sunken underneath and I know that's an adrenal

> thing. I'm also on hydrolized collagen which I love.

>

> When I was first toxic, everyone was telling me how to detox.

What I

> needed to do was rebuild before anything else. I needed to know

how

> to stop the detox long enough to get my footing, so I could

control

> it. People meant well but I've yet to see anyone talk about how to

> get yourself out of crisis, how to feel better.

>

> Any input on any of the things I mentioned would be appreciated. I

> nearly died 11 years ago. I was in bed for 2 years. I'm now on the

> road full time with my internet business, mtn. biking all over the

> country. If you're sick, know that it does get better.

>

> Big hug to all....

>

> j.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would ask what other supplements you are taking? Are your adrenals

and thyroid working properly? Do you need supplemental lithium or

molybdenum..there are many supplements that can get rid of this

problem. For us, lithium orotate during these bouts of suicidal

thoughts or depression get rid of them. Molybdenum helps with mood

swings for some who have copper/zinc issues. They help me, however my

12 year old gets worse on it. We use the lithium for a few days

following a round, some people need to take it a few times a week,

some every day.

The suicide thoughts are caused my mercury.

We see this happen in between rounds. That is how we know the toxins

have built up again and we need a round of chelation.

You may need adrenal help for years, either way, with the Hg still in

your body, your endocrine system will not work right. Adrenal support

will make life so much better.

Iron...mercury toxic people dump iron. No matter how much they take.

Iron is an oxidizer, mercury is an oxidizer. The body's defense

mechanism is to reduce oxidizers because they damage cells. The body

will dump oxidizers, but since it can't dump mercury, it dumps all

your iron. This is why you are always anemic.

For me this corrected,with the removal of my fillings and chelation.

About a year later, my blood work is normal after being anemic for 20

years. Taking iron always made me feel worse. Andy has said in his

books that mercury toxic people should not use iron supplements. I

don't know your whole situation, so I can't advise.

As for the endless well of mercury..it does take 3-5 years to

completely chelate.

For someone whom is sick or not tolerating chelation I always

recommend that they check Andy's list of supplements to be sure they

are on them all, and also adrenal/thyroid be addressed, and Candida.

Yeast is something we all have. Anyone that has ever taken an

antibiotic or had fillings...has yeast. It can cause many horrible

symptoms. As for slowing down or stopping your body from

detoxing...not sure you can. You can only support it while it's doing

that. For some of us that means dmsa. Since my body dumps metals

faster than I can get rid of them..I get sick if I don't do rounds of

dmsa.

Well, I hope you find something that works best for you.

> > I was posting a few years ago and wanted to update you on some

> things

> > I've learned since then. I got an 8.3 out of 9 on a DMSA mercury

> > chelation challenge when I was 30. I'm now 41. I did several

> months

> > of sauna, and several rounds, probably a year or more total of

> Andy's

> > protocol and I know it worked but I got tired of detox as it seems

> > that no matter how much I do, there is an endless well of mercury

> in

> > my body. I am now eating to avoid any kind of detox so I can just

> > live my life. The second I become toxic, I become suicidal, don't

> > want to be on this planet anymore, and I'm not willing to put

> myself

> > through that anymore. If I do everything right, I can work out and

> > ride my mtn. bike 20 miles every other day.

> >

> > For what it's worth, this is the stuff I wish I'd known a long

> time

> > ago:

> >

> > Any raw fruit of veggies, or curry detoxify me like crazy. Pectin

> is

> > the culprit. Clear juices are fine. Anything dark green is a no-no

> > for me too. And citrus -- no o.j. or lemons.

> >

> > I also need massive doses of iron, all month long. Like 100-200 mg

> > twice a day. Any less and I get the esophogeal rings to which I

> have

> > a genetic predisposition (throat constricts like a rubber band is

> > around it, when iron levels are low). Can anyone explain the need

> > for this much iron? I thought maybe it was pernicious anemia or

> > something, or my body just doesn't process iron well? Is it the

> > mercury? My first plateau came when I realized I was anemic.

> >

> > The next planteau was the discovery of 7-keto. I need 200 mg a day

> > to feel good. Any less and I start to crash and burn. Huge change

> > when I got on the keto. Huuuuge.

> >

> > Adrenals. Huge. Bovine adrenal cortex. Best stuff ever. How much

> > can I safely take and for how long? I started this last winter and

> > was bulletproof for six months. Felt fantastic. Then stopped and

> > started melting down again. 6 months later I was an absolute wreck

> > again. Maybe I just need to be on that stuff the rest of my life.

> > My eyes are really sunken underneath and I know that's an adrenal

> > thing. I'm also on hydrolized collagen which I love.

> >

> > When I was first toxic, everyone was telling me how to detox.

> What I

> > needed to do was rebuild before anything else. I needed to know

> how

> > to stop the detox long enough to get my footing, so I could

> control

> > it. People meant well but I've yet to see anyone talk about how to

> > get yourself out of crisis, how to feel better.

> >

> > Any input on any of the things I mentioned would be appreciated. I

> > nearly died 11 years ago. I was in bed for 2 years. I'm now on the

> > road full time with my internet business, mtn. biking all over the

> > country. If you're sick, know that it does get better.

> >

> > Big hug to all....

> >

> > j.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I would ask what other supplements you are taking? Are your adrenals

and thyroid working properly? Do you need supplemental lithium or

molybdenum..there are many supplements that can get rid of this

problem. For us, lithium orotate during these bouts of suicidal

thoughts or depression get rid of them. Molybdenum helps with mood

swings for some who have copper/zinc issues. They help me, however my

12 year old gets worse on it. We use the lithium for a few days

following a round, some people need to take it a few times a week,

some every day.

The suicide thoughts are caused my mercury.

We see this happen in between rounds. That is how we know the toxins

have built up again and we need a round of chelation.

You may need adrenal help for years, either way, with the Hg still in

your body, your endocrine system will not work right. Adrenal support

will make life so much better.

Iron...mercury toxic people dump iron. No matter how much they take.

Iron is an oxidizer, mercury is an oxidizer. The body's defense

mechanism is to reduce oxidizers because they damage cells. The body

will dump oxidizers, but since it can't dump mercury, it dumps all

your iron. This is why you are always anemic.

For me this corrected,with the removal of my fillings and chelation.

About a year later, my blood work is normal after being anemic for 20

years. Taking iron always made me feel worse. Andy has said in his

books that mercury toxic people should not use iron supplements. I

don't know your whole situation, so I can't advise.

As for the endless well of mercury..it does take 3-5 years to

completely chelate.

For someone whom is sick or not tolerating chelation I always

recommend that they check Andy's list of supplements to be sure they

are on them all, and also adrenal/thyroid be addressed, and Candida.

Yeast is something we all have. Anyone that has ever taken an

antibiotic or had fillings...has yeast. It can cause many horrible

symptoms. As for slowing down or stopping your body from

detoxing...not sure you can. You can only support it while it's doing

that. For some of us that means dmsa. Since my body dumps metals

faster than I can get rid of them..I get sick if I don't do rounds of

dmsa.

Well, I hope you find something that works best for you.

> > I was posting a few years ago and wanted to update you on some

> things

> > I've learned since then. I got an 8.3 out of 9 on a DMSA mercury

> > chelation challenge when I was 30. I'm now 41. I did several

> months

> > of sauna, and several rounds, probably a year or more total of

> Andy's

> > protocol and I know it worked but I got tired of detox as it seems

> > that no matter how much I do, there is an endless well of mercury

> in

> > my body. I am now eating to avoid any kind of detox so I can just

> > live my life. The second I become toxic, I become suicidal, don't

> > want to be on this planet anymore, and I'm not willing to put

> myself

> > through that anymore. If I do everything right, I can work out and

> > ride my mtn. bike 20 miles every other day.

> >

> > For what it's worth, this is the stuff I wish I'd known a long

> time

> > ago:

> >

> > Any raw fruit of veggies, or curry detoxify me like crazy. Pectin

> is

> > the culprit. Clear juices are fine. Anything dark green is a no-no

> > for me too. And citrus -- no o.j. or lemons.

> >

> > I also need massive doses of iron, all month long. Like 100-200 mg

> > twice a day. Any less and I get the esophogeal rings to which I

> have

> > a genetic predisposition (throat constricts like a rubber band is

> > around it, when iron levels are low). Can anyone explain the need

> > for this much iron? I thought maybe it was pernicious anemia or

> > something, or my body just doesn't process iron well? Is it the

> > mercury? My first plateau came when I realized I was anemic.

> >

> > The next planteau was the discovery of 7-keto. I need 200 mg a day

> > to feel good. Any less and I start to crash and burn. Huge change

> > when I got on the keto. Huuuuge.

> >

> > Adrenals. Huge. Bovine adrenal cortex. Best stuff ever. How much

> > can I safely take and for how long? I started this last winter and

> > was bulletproof for six months. Felt fantastic. Then stopped and

> > started melting down again. 6 months later I was an absolute wreck

> > again. Maybe I just need to be on that stuff the rest of my life.

> > My eyes are really sunken underneath and I know that's an adrenal

> > thing. I'm also on hydrolized collagen which I love.

> >

> > When I was first toxic, everyone was telling me how to detox.

> What I

> > needed to do was rebuild before anything else. I needed to know

> how

> > to stop the detox long enough to get my footing, so I could

> control

> > it. People meant well but I've yet to see anyone talk about how to

> > get yourself out of crisis, how to feel better.

> >

> > Any input on any of the things I mentioned would be appreciated. I

> > nearly died 11 years ago. I was in bed for 2 years. I'm now on the

> > road full time with my internet business, mtn. biking all over the

> > country. If you're sick, know that it does get better.

> >

> > Big hug to all....

> >

> > j.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Oh I so know this:

I spent my 20's going through SSR medication and doctors because I had

panic attacks and depression. I cured myself of those by dealing with

my adrenal fatigue. Mercury can do pretty bad things.

Mycrocytic hemolytic anemia: it is in Andy's book and is the result of

heavy metals. I had this...small pale red cells and too many red

cells. Most doctors read this as " anemia " on a blood test. As his book

says it is caused by heavy metals interfering with blood cell production.

Sometimes people cannot tolerate chelation until as

suggested they get further body support. The doctors that do use

Andy's protocol are not what you'd call " Western " . There is nothing

wrong with pursuing Eastern Med..I completely agree that Western is

often useless. Naturopaths and alternative med are better at helping.

And do not use prescriptions.

Also people with low thyroid function usually have low ferretin

levels. This affects iron.

Dietary: have you looked into food allergies, leaky gut..things like

that often are needed for some before chelation is tolerable.

Andy has said in his book, that chelation will not affect you in any

way if you are not toxic. You only see side effects if you are toxic.

That some people do need medications or whatever to get through enough

chelation safely, before they can go without it. It depends on the

level of Hg in your brain. He also says that bipolar disorder is the

result of mercury poisoning the hypothalamus. Having two relatives

with Bipolar...it seems right. My mother's bipolar has gotten way

worse after she had two amalgam improperly removed. She still has some

more. My grandmother lived a sad life and died alone due to her

bipolar. If only she had been chelated early on, she may have had a

better life.

>

> Yeah, before I figured out the mercury connection I decided myself

> that I was bipolar at 23, was on meds for 8 years. Of course they

> happily agreed. I started having severe panic attacks when I took the

> meds as the mercury situation worsened. My own mother tried to have

> my committed (and failed, I wasted my last brain cell talking my way

> through that and in the end they were ready to commit *her*) when, in

> hindsight, I know my neurological system ws melting down and I was

> severely anemic. Have been so through the ringer and have so

> thoroughly rejected western medicine at this point I will never take

> perscription medicine again, for any reason.

>

> I'm strictly Eastern at this point, and have pretty much become my

> own doctor. I am very glad to have finally cleared the residue of

> those drugs from my system after 10+ years. I'd rather gut it out and

> try to compensate with C and herbal support than go down that path

> again. I will never again go on record as " depressed " -- it's the

> kiss of death and a guarantee you'll never be beleived or taken

> seriously again by any western doctor.

>

> Earlier I mentioned pernicious anemia. I misspoke. I

> meant " hemolytic " anemia. I just know I need a hhhhheck of a lot of

> iron.

>

> Of everything really. Maybe I need it because of the high burden of

> mercury, to make it a " fair fight " .

>

> j.

[Guest guest]

You can take as much as you need to control the symptoms for as long

as you need it. I conferred with Andy about it because both myself and

my 12 yr old have serious adrenal fatigue. Many people push homeopathy

and herbs but for some of us..this just isn't enough. And

hydrocortisone we aren't ready to deal with. That involves more

because it replaces the hormone your adrenals make. Adrenal cortex

nourishes the adrenals and supports them so they can function better.

Don't mistake me though, some people absolutely need hyrdocortisone.

I can't say two years for sure, because as long as you have

metals..it's unlikely your adrenals will recover completely, but in

any case supporting them makes tons of sense. You'll feel better,

whether you chelate or not.

My 12 yr old has had the hardest time with chelation, with mood

problems and such. It is getting better for her, little by little. The

fact that you react so severely tells me you do have a metal problem.

But I so clearly understand why you would avoid it. And only you can

decide what is best for you. For her she could not tolerate chelation

without adrenal support and supplemental lithium orotate. She takes

this only on rounds and for a day or two after. Or she would get

depressed and suicidal ideation. I had suicidal thoughts a lot before

chelation, now I only see that reappear between rounds. It is

miserable...I totally agree. But for us, we are sick in between rounds

from our metals and need to chelate.

I'm apologize if this was already asked, but what dose, what chelator,

and how often?

> >

> > Jen:

> >

> > Congratulations on finding a way to stay well. But you're a young

> woman -

> > wouldn't it make sense to keep chelating, even if it takes a few

> more years?

> > A doc who does Andy's protocol told me it can take up to 4 years.

> That

> > would be, say, 3 more years for you. Why not find a conservative

> dose that

> > you can keep doing comfortably, and keep going? Hopefully, that

> way you can

> > be really healthy in a few years, to the point where you will not

> have to

> > rely on dietary manipulations and supplements to feel great.

> >

> > Dean

> >

> >

> >

> >

>