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Vella... I certainly admire you working at 77. I'm 70 and could not begin to hold down a job. Although keeping track of my health care/problems is like a job...no pay tho'!

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Beth and Bruce. Thanks for your answer Yes it can be like a sigh but it is getting so severe that I am feeling pain when the diaphragm contracts. I sleep with oxygen at night because my oxygen level drops too low. The only medication I take is Prednisone. Inhalers do not help. At rest I am fine. I am 77 years old and still work part time. I am grateful for that.

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If its located low as you say then I find two possible explanations. Now

there may be more and its certainly something to mention to your

doctors.

First, it could be a form of hiccup.

Second, it could be a spasm caused by the acid. Might be in your stomach

or your lower esophagus.

Especially if it might be the acid it's worth talking to the doctor. I

know thats a real problem for most of us and even our meds for GERD may

not be working completely.

>

> Beth and Bruce. Thanks for your answer Yes it can be like a

sigh but it is getting so severe that I am feeling pain when the

diaphragm contracts. I sleep with oxygen at night because my oxygen

level drops too low. The only medication I take is Prednisone.

Inhalers do not help. At rest I am fine. I am 77 years old and still

work part time. I am grateful for that.

>

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Bruce,

Thanks but for me this is a very minor symptom. I'm comfortable that it's not anything to do with reflux or acid. The symptoms I have of that problem are very familiar and this isn't one of them. I honestly think mine is closer to the explanation that Peggy's doctor offered. A rapid gasping type inspiration in response to shallow breathing. This particular symptom for me predates my diagnosis with pf by a couple of years. It happened much more frequently before I went on oxygen....several times a day.

As I said, it doesn't even happen every day anymore and it's not painful. It's a minor annoyance. It's possible though that among us there could be different things happening showing up with a similar symptom. It's always best to check with your doctor to try to get an explanation for something like this.

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To: Breathe-Support Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:58:22 PMSubject: Re: Diaphragm

MB/VellaIf its located low as you say then I find two possible explanations. Nowthere may be more and its certainly something to mention to yourdoctors.First, it could be a form of hiccup.Second, it could be a spasm caused by the acid. Might be in your stomachor your lower esophagus.Especially if it might be the acid it's worth talking to the doctor. Iknow thats a real problem for most of us and even our meds for GERD maynot be working completely.>> Beth and Bruce. Thanks for your answer Yes it can be like asigh but it is getting so severe that I am feeling pain when thediaphragm contracts. I sleep with oxygen at night because my oxygenlevel drops

too low. The only medication I take is Prednisone. Inhalers do not help. At rest I am fine. I am 77 years old and stillwork part time. I am grateful for that.>

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Bruce,

Thanks but for me this is a very minor symptom. I'm comfortable that it's not anything to do with reflux or acid. The symptoms I have of that problem are very familiar and this isn't one of them. I honestly think mine is closer to the explanation that Peggy's doctor offered. A rapid gasping type inspiration in response to shallow breathing. This particular symptom for me predates my diagnosis with pf by a couple of years. It happened much more frequently before I went on oxygen....several times a day.

As I said, it doesn't even happen every day anymore and it's not painful. It's a minor annoyance. It's possible though that among us there could be different things happening showing up with a similar symptom. It's always best to check with your doctor to try to get an explanation for something like this.

Beth

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Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08

To: Breathe-Support Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:58:22 PMSubject: Re: Diaphragm

MB/VellaIf its located low as you say then I find two possible explanations. Nowthere may be more and its certainly something to mention to yourdoctors.First, it could be a form of hiccup.Second, it could be a spasm caused by the acid. Might be in your stomachor your lower esophagus.Especially if it might be the acid it's worth talking to the doctor. Iknow thats a real problem for most of us and even our meds for GERD maynot be working completely.>> Beth and Bruce. Thanks for your answer Yes it can be like asigh but it is getting so severe that I am feeling pain when thediaphragm contracts. I sleep with oxygen at night because my oxygenlevel drops

too low. The only medication I take is Prednisone. Inhalers do not help. At rest I am fine. I am 77 years old and stillwork part time. I am grateful for that.>

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Yours sounds like what Peggy described which is basically a hiccup,

although different from what we normally think of as a hiccup. But

you're right about similar and different which is a reason she should

definitely check with her doctor. Hiccup, nothing. Acid reflux,

important. I always use to get the hiccups from 's.....now thats

the weird one. Either overstuffed or the grease or ate too fast-who

knows.

> >

> > Beth and Bruce. Thanks for your answer Yes it can be like a

> sigh but it is getting so severe that I am feeling pain when the

> diaphragm contracts. I sleep with oxygen at night because my oxygen

> level drops too low. The only medication I take is Prednisone.

> Inhalers do not help. At rest I am fine. I am 77 years old and still

> work part time. I am grateful for that.

> >

>

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i feel comfortable with you having had this checked out

i know you are on top of your medical condition to the best of your ability

and professional knowledge and experience

the suggestion was really for people who haven't had the symptoms checked by a physician

they need to talk to their docs

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Subject: Re: Re: DiaphragmTo: Breathe-Support Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 8:14 PM

Bruce,

Thanks but for me this is a very minor symptom. I'm comfortable that it's not anything to do with reflux or acid. The symptoms I have of that problem are very familiar and this isn't one of them. I honestly think mine is closer to the explanation that Peggy's doctor offered. A rapid gasping type inspiration in response to shallow breathing. This particular symptom for me predates my diagnosis with pf by a couple of years. It happened much more frequently before I went on oxygen....several times a day.

As I said, it doesn't even happen every day anymore and it's not painful. It's a minor annoyance. It's possible though that among us there could be different things happening showing up with a similar symptom. It's always best to check with your doctor to try to get an explanation for something like this.

Beth

Moderator

Fibrotic NSIP 06/06 Dermatomyositis 11/08

From: Bruce Moreland <brucemoreland@ gmail.com>To: Breathe-Support@ yahoogroups. comSent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:58:22 PMSubject: Re: Diaphragm

MB/VellaIf its located low as you say then I find two possible explanations. Nowthere may be more and its certainly something to mention to yourdoctors.First, it could be a form of hiccup.Second, it could be a spasm caused by the acid. Might be in your stomachor your lower esophagus.Especially if it might be the acid it's worth talking to the doctor. Iknow thats a real problem for most of us and even our meds for GERD maynot be working completely.>> Beth and Bruce. Thanks for your answer Yes it can be like asigh but it is getting so severe that I am feeling pain when thediaphragm contracts. I sleep with oxygen at night because my oxygenlevel drops too low. The only medication I take is

Prednisone. Inhalers do not help. At rest I am fine. I am 77 years old and stillwork part time. I am grateful for that.>

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I would go a step further on the acid reflux issue as many only

associate it with severe symptoms especially upon waking. It can be

hidden and one can think they have it under control and not.

Unfortunately for me I tolerated it way too much and thought I was doing

fine. The time mine turned out to be worst, I thought I was rid of it.

Now, unfortunately, I'm to the stage that I have no idea whether my meds

are controlling it or not but the doctor feels that anything he could do

to find out would cause more additional damage to my esophagus than the

benefit. So, all I can do is take 80 mg of Nexium per day and hope its

doing ok. I guess I'd say having upper endoscopies if it is suspected is

wise, but having as many of them as I have had (5) on top of motility

studies and other is probably not wise. I think about it now and wonder

how much damage each did, especially the motility study where it took

them nine trips down my esophagus with the instrument before they were

able to get the bulb all the way to my stomach. Unlike the endoscopy

that one isn't asleep either.

> >

> > Beth and Bruce. Thanks for your answer Yes it can be like a

> sigh but it is getting so severe that I am feeling pain when the

> diaphragm contracts. I sleep with oxygen at night because my oxygen

> level drops too low. The only medication I take is Prednisone.

> Inhalers do not help. At rest I am fine. I am 77 years old and still

> work part time. I am grateful for that.

> >

>

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