Guest guest Posted March 24, 2010 Report Share Posted March 24, 2010 On Wednesday, March 24, 2010 23:26, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > I'll grant you that point about 20 year Medics but isn't a 5 year > Medic who treats only ALS Patients likely to have more Patient Contact > Houra (for want of a measure). Therfore those Patient Contacts are > more meanigful ( for want of a better term) to that Medic and his > professional development? I don't think I have disagreed with anything here more in a very long time than this. Lou, I thought you said you didn't like " paragods " . The above quote sounds like it came straight from the mouth of one. " I'm a paramedic! I am too important to be bothered with anyone who doesn't require ALS! Give me an EMT so I can dump them all on him! " Those are exactly the kinds of " paragods " that most EMTs end up hating. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Gene : Please contact me on rabbiems@... . or call me @ my home phone #. I have trying to contact you for days and hope you not lost in the wilderness or desert among the saguaros.( Yes, bad humor rides again) Highest Regards, Rick Re: Progressive services? I'm going to take the rare step of agreeing with Rob on this one. Mark the date, folks. While Lou's suggestion of finding a place to practice to the fullest extent of your training and finding a paramedic mentor to shepherd you through your first few years of EMT practice are good in theory... .... in my experience, it rarely works that way in practice. There are very few paramedics out there with twenty years of experience, and many more with one year of experience repeated twenty times. It's the first kind that every green EMT wants as a partner, but it's the second type they usually get. And when they come to paramedic class, I am usually faced with a supposedly " experienced " basic whose sum total of field experience has only taught him to be rude, cynical, take shortcuts, and memorize all the fast-food joints that give EMT discounts. , the good news is, the medics you want to emulate are pretty easy to spot, and even the idiots can teach you how *not* to act. Where you wind up working isn't so important as who you wind up working *with.* > > On Wednesday, March 24, 2010 19:40, krin135@... > said: > > > Is there a reason a paramedic can't stand back and let his/her basic > > partner handle a basic run while providing tutelage to the basic? > > In reality, it's rarely " tutelage " . It's the " paragod " syndrome that > Lou referred to, where the medic simply dumps those patients he deems > unworthy of his presence onto the lesser provider. Without an EMT to > dump on, there are no " paragods " . > > But more importantly, if the EMT is doing any of those things the OP > listed, besides splinting, then it's not a " basic run " , so it's a moot > point. And if that is the case, I as a medic don't want a helper. I > want a full partner. > > , don't rush things. You've still got two years of college ahead > of you to become a paramedic. Take things deliberately as they come. > It is my experience that those EMTs with the least experience make the > best paramedic students. They don't come in with all the bad habits > and mistaken notions picked up from Lou's " paragods " , and are > therefore much more receptive of education. Be that guy. > > Good luck, > > Rob > > -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2010 Report Share Posted March 25, 2010 Gene : Please contact me on rabbiems@... . or call me @ my home phone #. I have trying to contact you for days and hope you not lost in the wilderness or desert among the saguaros.( Yes, bad humor rides again) Highest Regards, Rick Re: Progressive services? I'm going to take the rare step of agreeing with Rob on this one. Mark the date, folks. While Lou's suggestion of finding a place to practice to the fullest extent of your training and finding a paramedic mentor to shepherd you through your first few years of EMT practice are good in theory... .... in my experience, it rarely works that way in practice. There are very few paramedics out there with twenty years of experience, and many more with one year of experience repeated twenty times. It's the first kind that every green EMT wants as a partner, but it's the second type they usually get. And when they come to paramedic class, I am usually faced with a supposedly " experienced " basic whose sum total of field experience has only taught him to be rude, cynical, take shortcuts, and memorize all the fast-food joints that give EMT discounts. , the good news is, the medics you want to emulate are pretty easy to spot, and even the idiots can teach you how *not* to act. Where you wind up working isn't so important as who you wind up working *with.* > > On Wednesday, March 24, 2010 19:40, krin135@... > said: > > > Is there a reason a paramedic can't stand back and let his/her basic > > partner handle a basic run while providing tutelage to the basic? > > In reality, it's rarely " tutelage " . It's the " paragod " syndrome that > Lou referred to, where the medic simply dumps those patients he deems > unworthy of his presence onto the lesser provider. Without an EMT to > dump on, there are no " paragods " . > > But more importantly, if the EMT is doing any of those things the OP > listed, besides splinting, then it's not a " basic run " , so it's a moot > point. And if that is the case, I as a medic don't want a helper. I > want a full partner. > > , don't rush things. You've still got two years of college ahead > of you to become a paramedic. Take things deliberately as they come. > It is my experience that those EMTs with the least experience make the > best paramedic students. They don't come in with all the bad habits > and mistaken notions picked up from Lou's " paragods " , and are > therefore much more receptive of education. Be that guy. > > Good luck, > > Rob > > -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Alyssa, You're point is VERY valid. In my Home State of NJ one system just recently fired 4 Paramedics for faking PALS cards. How stupid is that. loose your whole career (as in when NJ strips them and reports to NREMT) over a few hundred bucks of CE? Not rookies either seasoned folks so I doubt it was a case of not being able to cut it course wise. People did that. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 3/30/2010 4:18:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, amwoods8644@... writes: The perfect system... you mean the one without people? I can't wait to see how they do it! Alyssa Woods, EMT-B/PFF (The above was written out of humor and not anger, aggression, or any such negativity.) > Ah but you assume the world is populated with a majority of > Paramedic Providers and while it is in Texas there are other places > outside the Great Republic where the Systems I describe do in fact > exsit. > > I'll grant you that point about 20 year Medics but isn't a 5 year > Medic who treats only ALS Patients likely to have more Patient Contact > Houra (for want of a measure). Therfore those Patient Contacts are > more meanigful ( for want of a better term) to that Medic and his > professional development? > > We've discussed studies where having multiple Medics on a scene has a > possible harmful outcome to the ALS Patient and we've talked about > skills degredation in all or mostly Medic based systems hence those > things suggest that less is more, do they not? > > I have nothing but respect for good Medics I know dozens from around > the world. I envy them as I was one of those 7 year olds that long on > a Saturday night wanted to be ny Gage. I never got there but it's > been a wild ride ever since. > > The perfect system doesn't exsit maybe conversations such as this will > make it possible. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/ > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 22:48, Grayson _Grayson902@..._ (mailto:Grayson902@...) > wrote: > > > I'm going to take the rare step of agreeing with Rob on this one. > > > > Mark the date, folks. > > > > While Lou's suggestion of finding a place to practice to the fullest > > extent of your training and finding a paramedic mentor to shepherd > you > > through your first few years of EMT practice are good in theory... > > > > ... in my experience, it rarely works that way in practice. There > are > > very few paramedics out there with twenty years of experience, and > > many > > more with one year of experience repeated twenty times. > > > > It's the first kind that every green EMT wants as a partner, but > it's > > the second type they usually get. And when they come to paramedic > > class, > > I am usually faced with a supposedly " experienced " basic whose sum > > total > > of field experience has only taught him to be rude, cynical, take > > shortcuts, and memorize all the fast-food joints that give EMT > > discounts. > > > > , the good news is, the medics you want to emulate are pretty > > easy > > to spot, and even the idiots can teach you how *not* to act. Where > you > > wind up working isn't so important as who you wind up working > *with.* > > > > On 3/24/2010 9:39 PM, _rob.davis@..._ (mailto:rob.davis@...) wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 24, 2010 19:40, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) > > > said: > > > > > > > Is there a reason a paramedic can't stand back and let his/her > > basic > > > > partner handle a basic run while providing tutelage to the > basic? > > > > > > In reality, it's rarely " tutelage " . It's the " paragod " syndrome > that > > > Lou referred to, where the medic simply dumps those patients he > > deems > > > unworthy of his presence onto the lesser provider. Without an > EMT to > > > dump on, there are no " paragods " . > > > > > > But more importantly, if the EMT is doing any of those things > the OP > > > listed, besides splinting, then it's not a " basic run " , so it's a > > moot > > > point. And if that is the case, I as a medic don't want a > helper. I > > > want a full partner. > > > > > > , don't rush things. You've still got two years of college > > ahead > > > of you to become a paramedic. Take things deliberately as they > come. > > > It is my experience that those EMTs with the least experience make > > the > > > best paramedic students. They don't come in with all the bad > habits > > > and mistaken notions picked up from Lou's " paragods " , and are > > > therefore much more receptive of education. Be that guy. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson. Ke > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Alyssa, You're point is VERY valid. In my Home State of NJ one system just recently fired 4 Paramedics for faking PALS cards. How stupid is that. loose your whole career (as in when NJ strips them and reports to NREMT) over a few hundred bucks of CE? Not rookies either seasoned folks so I doubt it was a case of not being able to cut it course wise. People did that. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 3/30/2010 4:18:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, amwoods8644@... writes: The perfect system... you mean the one without people? I can't wait to see how they do it! Alyssa Woods, EMT-B/PFF (The above was written out of humor and not anger, aggression, or any such negativity.) > Ah but you assume the world is populated with a majority of > Paramedic Providers and while it is in Texas there are other places > outside the Great Republic where the Systems I describe do in fact > exsit. > > I'll grant you that point about 20 year Medics but isn't a 5 year > Medic who treats only ALS Patients likely to have more Patient Contact > Houra (for want of a measure). Therfore those Patient Contacts are > more meanigful ( for want of a better term) to that Medic and his > professional development? > > We've discussed studies where having multiple Medics on a scene has a > possible harmful outcome to the ALS Patient and we've talked about > skills degredation in all or mostly Medic based systems hence those > things suggest that less is more, do they not? > > I have nothing but respect for good Medics I know dozens from around > the world. I envy them as I was one of those 7 year olds that long on > a Saturday night wanted to be ny Gage. I never got there but it's > been a wild ride ever since. > > The perfect system doesn't exsit maybe conversations such as this will > make it possible. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/ > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 22:48, Grayson _Grayson902@..._ (mailto:Grayson902@...) > wrote: > > > I'm going to take the rare step of agreeing with Rob on this one. > > > > Mark the date, folks. > > > > While Lou's suggestion of finding a place to practice to the fullest > > extent of your training and finding a paramedic mentor to shepherd > you > > through your first few years of EMT practice are good in theory... > > > > ... in my experience, it rarely works that way in practice. There > are > > very few paramedics out there with twenty years of experience, and > > many > > more with one year of experience repeated twenty times. > > > > It's the first kind that every green EMT wants as a partner, but > it's > > the second type they usually get. And when they come to paramedic > > class, > > I am usually faced with a supposedly " experienced " basic whose sum > > total > > of field experience has only taught him to be rude, cynical, take > > shortcuts, and memorize all the fast-food joints that give EMT > > discounts. > > > > , the good news is, the medics you want to emulate are pretty > > easy > > to spot, and even the idiots can teach you how *not* to act. Where > you > > wind up working isn't so important as who you wind up working > *with.* > > > > On 3/24/2010 9:39 PM, _rob.davis@..._ (mailto:rob.davis@...) wrote: > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 24, 2010 19:40, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) > > > said: > > > > > > > Is there a reason a paramedic can't stand back and let his/her > > basic > > > > partner handle a basic run while providing tutelage to the > basic? > > > > > > In reality, it's rarely " tutelage " . It's the " paragod " syndrome > that > > > Lou referred to, where the medic simply dumps those patients he > > deems > > > unworthy of his presence onto the lesser provider. Without an > EMT to > > > dump on, there are no " paragods " . > > > > > > But more importantly, if the EMT is doing any of those things > the OP > > > listed, besides splinting, then it's not a " basic run " , so it's a > > moot > > > point. And if that is the case, I as a medic don't want a > helper. I > > > want a full partner. > > > > > > , don't rush things. You've still got two years of college > > ahead > > > of you to become a paramedic. Take things deliberately as they > come. > > > It is my experience that those EMTs with the least experience make > > the > > > best paramedic students. They don't come in with all the bad > habits > > > and mistaken notions picked up from Lou's " paragods " , and are > > > therefore much more receptive of education. Be that guy. > > > > > > Good luck, > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson. Ke > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 On Thursday, March 25, 2010 18:09, lnmolino@... said: > In a system that has 6 two man medic units on the street at any moment with > 500,000 plus or minus population Medics turf BLS jobs to BLS and BLS > recall the ALS on BLS only jobs day in and day out as a part of resources > management. Who decides which patients are ALS or BLS, and how do they do it? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 On Thursday, March 25, 2010 18:09, lnmolino@... said: > In a system that has 6 two man medic units on the street at any moment with > 500,000 plus or minus population Medics turf BLS jobs to BLS and BLS > recall the ALS on BLS only jobs day in and day out as a part of resources > management. Who decides which patients are ALS or BLS, and how do they do it? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 On Thursday, March 25, 2010 18:09, lnmolino@... said: > In a system that has 6 two man medic units on the street at any moment with > 500,000 plus or minus population Medics turf BLS jobs to BLS and BLS > recall the ALS on BLS only jobs day in and day out as a part of resources > management. Who decides which patients are ALS or BLS, and how do they do it? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. We had 7 hospitals 6 with Level 2 trauma and one level 1 5 of those in the northern 1/2 of the County wher 75% lived and worked. If ALS made the job it was very oftehn thier call sick not sick if not turfed to BLS routinely. Everyone that wanted a ride got one. Oh and for the most part it works. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Mar 31, 2010, at 16:17, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Thursday, March 25, 2010 18:09, lnmolino@... said: > > > In a system that has 6 two man medic units on the street at any > moment with > > 500,000 plus or minus population Medics turf BLS jobs to BLS and BLS > > recall the ALS on BLS only jobs day in and day out as a part of > resources > > management. > > Who decides which patients are ALS or BLS, and how do they do it? > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. We had 7 hospitals 6 with Level 2 trauma and one level 1 5 of those in the northern 1/2 of the County wher 75% lived and worked. If ALS made the job it was very oftehn thier call sick not sick if not turfed to BLS routinely. Everyone that wanted a ride got one. Oh and for the most part it works. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Mar 31, 2010, at 16:17, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Thursday, March 25, 2010 18:09, lnmolino@... said: > > > In a system that has 6 two man medic units on the street at any > moment with > > 500,000 plus or minus population Medics turf BLS jobs to BLS and BLS > > recall the ALS on BLS only jobs day in and day out as a part of > resources > > management. > > Who decides which patients are ALS or BLS, and how do they do it? > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. We had 7 hospitals 6 with Level 2 trauma and one level 1 5 of those in the northern 1/2 of the County wher 75% lived and worked. If ALS made the job it was very oftehn thier call sick not sick if not turfed to BLS routinely. Everyone that wanted a ride got one. Oh and for the most part it works. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Mar 31, 2010, at 16:17, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Thursday, March 25, 2010 18:09, lnmolino@... said: > > > In a system that has 6 two man medic units on the street at any > moment with > > 500,000 plus or minus population Medics turf BLS jobs to BLS and BLS > > recall the ALS on BLS only jobs day in and day out as a part of > resources > > management. > > Who decides which patients are ALS or BLS, and how do they do it? > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Likely the dumbest response from someone I think is way more educated and inelegant than it alone would leave me to believe. . Last I checked O2 and BVM's were both well into the realm of BLS and frankly if anyone chases an ALS provider from anyone who is even SOB let alone not breathing I would like to shoot them for gross stupidity. It's called a load and go in most places I believe, or would you have me sit on scene for the Medic Unit? Rob, it's obvious you and I are on opposite sides of this argument. I will let it die but I do feel sorry in ways for any BLS provider that you deal with. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 4/1/2010 6:52:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rob.davis@... writes: On Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:10, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) > said: > If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 > minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. Hold your breath for seven minutes, then get back to me on this theory. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Likely the dumbest response from someone I think is way more educated and inelegant than it alone would leave me to believe. . Last I checked O2 and BVM's were both well into the realm of BLS and frankly if anyone chases an ALS provider from anyone who is even SOB let alone not breathing I would like to shoot them for gross stupidity. It's called a load and go in most places I believe, or would you have me sit on scene for the Medic Unit? Rob, it's obvious you and I are on opposite sides of this argument. I will let it die but I do feel sorry in ways for any BLS provider that you deal with. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 4/1/2010 6:52:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rob.davis@... writes: On Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:10, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) > said: > If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 > minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. Hold your breath for seven minutes, then get back to me on this theory. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 On Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:10, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 > minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. Hold your breath for seven minutes, then get back to me on this theory. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 On Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:10, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 > minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. Hold your breath for seven minutes, then get back to me on this theory. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 On Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:10, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 > minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. Hold your breath for seven minutes, then get back to me on this theory. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Ok only systems where you work are any good all others are second class. You win Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 1, 2010, at 19:40, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Thursday, April 1, 2010 19:08, lnmolino@... said: > > > It's called a load and go in most places I believe, or would you > have me > > sit on scene for the Medic Unit? > > No. I would have you send an appropriate response to the patient in > the first place, so you don't have to go to plan B. > > That's the point. > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Stirring the pot a bit this evening, are we, Rob? Moseley On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:55 PM, rob.davis@... < rob.davis@...> wrote: > > > Nice try at diversion, but I am retired and have been for years. If you are > unable to articulate your point intelligently, at least have the integrity > to admit it and not waste our time with silly diversionary tactics. > > Rob > > > On Thursday, April 1, 2010 20:41, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> > said: > > > Ok only systems where you work are any good all others are second > > class. You win > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Paramedics may save lives, but Basics save paramedics. Can you tell that Mr. Grayson and I have worked together in the past? ck In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:45:20 Central Daylight Time, Grayson902@... writes: And EMTs can't ventilate and manage an airway? Don't look now, Rob, but your anti-EMT bias is showing. On 4/1/2010 6:52 PM, _rob.davis@..._ (mailto:rob.davis@...) wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:10, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " > _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) > said: > > > If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 > > minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. > > Hold your breath for seven minutes, then get back to me on this theory. > > Rob > > -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.Kel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Paramedics may save lives, but Basics save paramedics. Can you tell that Mr. Grayson and I have worked together in the past? ck In a message dated 4/2/2010 10:45:20 Central Daylight Time, Grayson902@... writes: And EMTs can't ventilate and manage an airway? Don't look now, Rob, but your anti-EMT bias is showing. On 4/1/2010 6:52 PM, _rob.davis@..._ (mailto:rob.davis@...) wrote: > > On Wednesday, March 31, 2010 17:10, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " > _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) > said: > > > If BLS arrives and recalls the Medic the BLS. Often it's a matter of 7 > > minutes till the ALS arrives versus 5 to Lue hospital. > > Hold your breath for seven minutes, then get back to me on this theory. > > Rob > > -- Grayson, CCEMT-P www.kellygrayson.Kel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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