Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Can someone direct me to where I could find the laws for the State of Texas that pertain to underage or age of a person that should ride on a Fire Truck. Or direct me to the yahoo group that could help. Thank you in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 They are considered Jr Firefighters and yes to emergency runs. Ages 16 and 17. Thank you, Mascha Re: Fire Laws Date: April 7, 2010 9:46:23 AM MST To: " texasems-l " texasems-l > There is not a law that I am aware of however, each dept. Should way the decision very heavely these days due to liability, I started in the fire service at 14. 15 years later as an officer there is noway I would let anyone under the age of 18 on my truck way too much to lose in my opinion, a minor can participate in training but no fire ground activities whatsoever! You may want to check the houstonfd yahoo group or bexarcountyfire group they may have some more insite! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Can someone direct me to where I could find the laws for the State > of Texas that pertain to underage or age of a person that should > ride on a Fire Truck. Or direct me to the yahoo group that could help. > > Thank you in advance. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 It may well be in Texas. Some States historically the ones with large numbers of volunteer fire departments do have specific laws allowing VFD's to be exempted from some Child Labor Laws or limiting their liability etc. Pennsylvania and New Jersey are both in that category. The real issue in New jersey for a long time on the EMS side was that at one time one could be an EMT-A at the age of 16 however, the Child Labor Laws stated that no one under 18 could work with any high pressure gas system specifically not allowing bottle to be changed and the like. Bit of a problem to ride an ambulance with the obvious need to be able to change out an O2 bottle etc. same on the fire side with allowing a Junior FF to change an SCBA bottle which was one of the things I did routinely as a Junior. Of course I rode the Box too since I was one of those 16 year old EMT-A's. The funny thing is that back in a time when common sense at least seemed to be more common than it is today I was not allowed to ride on the back step of any apparatus but I could jump up into the hose bed and ride there! It was safer NOT! The Boy Scouts through their Explorers program allows Members as young as 14. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 4/8/2010 6:41:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wegandy1938@... writes: I believe this is an insurance and liability issue rather than a legal issue. Check with the service's insurance carrier. GG On Apr 8, 2010, at 7:31:50 AM, " Providers Billing Service " probill3@...> wrote: Subject: Re: Fire Laws Date: April 8, 2010 7:31:50 AM MST To: texasems-l They are considered Jr Firefighters and yes to emergency runs. Ages 16 and 17. Thank you, Mascha Re: Fire Laws Date: April 7, 2010 9:46:23 AM MST To: " texasems-l " texasems-l > There is not a law that I am aware of however, each dept. Should way the decision very heavely these days due to liability, I started in the fire service at 14. 15 years later as an officer there is noway I would let anyone under the age of 18 on my truck way too much to lose in my opinion, a minor can participate in training but no fire ground activities whatsoever! You may want to check the houstonfd yahoo group or bexarcountyfire group they may have some more insite! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Can someone direct me to where I could find the laws for the State > of Texas that pertain to underage or age of a person that should > ride on a Fire Truck. Or direct me to the yahoo group that could help. > > Thank you in advance. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 It may well be in Texas. Some States historically the ones with large numbers of volunteer fire departments do have specific laws allowing VFD's to be exempted from some Child Labor Laws or limiting their liability etc. Pennsylvania and New Jersey are both in that category. The real issue in New jersey for a long time on the EMS side was that at one time one could be an EMT-A at the age of 16 however, the Child Labor Laws stated that no one under 18 could work with any high pressure gas system specifically not allowing bottle to be changed and the like. Bit of a problem to ride an ambulance with the obvious need to be able to change out an O2 bottle etc. same on the fire side with allowing a Junior FF to change an SCBA bottle which was one of the things I did routinely as a Junior. Of course I rode the Box too since I was one of those 16 year old EMT-A's. The funny thing is that back in a time when common sense at least seemed to be more common than it is today I was not allowed to ride on the back step of any apparatus but I could jump up into the hose bed and ride there! It was safer NOT! The Boy Scouts through their Explorers program allows Members as young as 14. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant LNMolino@... (Cell Phone) " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) In a message dated 4/8/2010 6:41:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, wegandy1938@... writes: I believe this is an insurance and liability issue rather than a legal issue. Check with the service's insurance carrier. GG On Apr 8, 2010, at 7:31:50 AM, " Providers Billing Service " probill3@...> wrote: Subject: Re: Fire Laws Date: April 8, 2010 7:31:50 AM MST To: texasems-l They are considered Jr Firefighters and yes to emergency runs. Ages 16 and 17. Thank you, Mascha Re: Fire Laws Date: April 7, 2010 9:46:23 AM MST To: " texasems-l " texasems-l > There is not a law that I am aware of however, each dept. Should way the decision very heavely these days due to liability, I started in the fire service at 14. 15 years later as an officer there is noway I would let anyone under the age of 18 on my truck way too much to lose in my opinion, a minor can participate in training but no fire ground activities whatsoever! You may want to check the houstonfd yahoo group or bexarcountyfire group they may have some more insite! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Can someone direct me to where I could find the laws for the State > of Texas that pertain to underage or age of a person that should > ride on a Fire Truck. Or direct me to the yahoo group that could help. > > Thank you in advance. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 I believe this is an insurance and liability issue rather than a legal issue. Check with the service's insurance carrier. GG On Apr 8, 2010, at 7:31:50 AM, " Providers Billing Service " probill3@...> wrote: Subject: Re: Fire Laws Date: April 8, 2010 7:31:50 AM MST To: texasems-l They are considered Jr Firefighters and yes to emergency runs. Ages 16 and 17. Thank you, Mascha Re: Fire Laws Date: April 7, 2010 9:46:23 AM MST To: " texasems-l " texasems-l > There is not a law that I am aware of however, each dept. Should way the decision very heavely these days due to liability, I started in the fire service at 14. 15 years later as an officer there is noway I would let anyone under the age of 18 on my truck way too much to lose in my opinion, a minor can participate in training but no fire ground activities whatsoever! You may want to check the houstonfd yahoo group or bexarcountyfire group they may have some more insite! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Can someone direct me to where I could find the laws for the State > of Texas that pertain to underage or age of a person that should > ride on a Fire Truck. Or direct me to the yahoo group that could help. > > Thank you in advance. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 I believe this is an insurance and liability issue rather than a legal issue. Check with the service's insurance carrier. GG On Apr 8, 2010, at 7:31:50 AM, " Providers Billing Service " probill3@...> wrote: Subject: Re: Fire Laws Date: April 8, 2010 7:31:50 AM MST To: texasems-l They are considered Jr Firefighters and yes to emergency runs. Ages 16 and 17. Thank you, Mascha Re: Fire Laws Date: April 7, 2010 9:46:23 AM MST To: " texasems-l " texasems-l > There is not a law that I am aware of however, each dept. Should way the decision very heavely these days due to liability, I started in the fire service at 14. 15 years later as an officer there is noway I would let anyone under the age of 18 on my truck way too much to lose in my opinion, a minor can participate in training but no fire ground activities whatsoever! You may want to check the houstonfd yahoo group or bexarcountyfire group they may have some more insite! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Can someone direct me to where I could find the laws for the State > of Texas that pertain to underage or age of a person that should > ride on a Fire Truck. Or direct me to the yahoo group that could help. > > Thank you in advance. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 I believe this is an insurance and liability issue rather than a legal issue. Check with the service's insurance carrier. GG On Apr 8, 2010, at 7:31:50 AM, " Providers Billing Service " probill3@...> wrote: Subject: Re: Fire Laws Date: April 8, 2010 7:31:50 AM MST To: texasems-l They are considered Jr Firefighters and yes to emergency runs. Ages 16 and 17. Thank you, Mascha Re: Fire Laws Date: April 7, 2010 9:46:23 AM MST To: " texasems-l " texasems-l > There is not a law that I am aware of however, each dept. Should way the decision very heavely these days due to liability, I started in the fire service at 14. 15 years later as an officer there is noway I would let anyone under the age of 18 on my truck way too much to lose in my opinion, a minor can participate in training but no fire ground activities whatsoever! You may want to check the houstonfd yahoo group or bexarcountyfire group they may have some more insite! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Can someone direct me to where I could find the laws for the State > of Texas that pertain to underage or age of a person that should > ride on a Fire Truck. Or direct me to the yahoo group that could help. > > Thank you in advance. > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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