Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they have going at this time? Thanks in advance, Neil -- Neil White, RN, LP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Louis , I won't let EMSAT go down as a founding member, and Past President. When I left EMSAT it had $35,000, and a membership of about 400-600. Not huge, but a voice. So contact me and we will see what we can do, since it looks like the BOD has given up and certainly from you email below you have done your best and feel your at the end. Thanks, Ron From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:29 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last President of EMSAT. In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. I've failed and that bothers me greatly. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > have going > at this time? > > Thanks in advance, > > Neil > > -- > Neil White, RN, LP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Louis , I won't let EMSAT go down as a founding member, and Past President. When I left EMSAT it had $35,000, and a membership of about 400-600. Not huge, but a voice. So contact me and we will see what we can do, since it looks like the BOD has given up and certainly from you email below you have done your best and feel your at the end. Thanks, Ron From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:29 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last President of EMSAT. In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. I've failed and that bothers me greatly. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > have going > at this time? > > Thanks in advance, > > Neil > > -- > Neil White, RN, LP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 Louis , I won't let EMSAT go down as a founding member, and Past President. When I left EMSAT it had $35,000, and a membership of about 400-600. Not huge, but a voice. So contact me and we will see what we can do, since it looks like the BOD has given up and certainly from you email below you have done your best and feel your at the end. Thanks, Ron From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:29 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last President of EMSAT. In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. I've failed and that bothers me greatly. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > have going > at this time? > > Thanks in advance, > > Neil > > -- > Neil White, RN, LP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I might also add that I caught a lot of resistance and that resistance was and did accomplish exactly what has happened. Ron From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:29 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last President of EMSAT. In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. I've failed and that bothers me greatly. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > have going > at this time? > > Thanks in advance, > > Neil > > -- > Neil White, RN, LP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2010 Report Share Posted April 19, 2010 I might also add that I caught a lot of resistance and that resistance was and did accomplish exactly what has happened. Ron From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 9:29 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last President of EMSAT. In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. I've failed and that bothers me greatly. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > have going > at this time? > > Thanks in advance, > > Neil > > -- > Neil White, RN, LP > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work for me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only voice EMS has in the state. Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and the directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and yield even more interesting projects. I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check and use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear again --- Dick -- EMT-B Celina Fire Department > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > President of EMSAT. > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > wrote: > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > have going > > at this time? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work for me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only voice EMS has in the state. Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and the directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and yield even more interesting projects. I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check and use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear again --- Dick -- EMT-B Celina Fire Department > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > President of EMSAT. > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > wrote: > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > have going > > at this time? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work for me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only voice EMS has in the state. Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and the directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and yield even more interesting projects. I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check and use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear again --- Dick -- EMT-B Celina Fire Department > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > President of EMSAT. > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > wrote: > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > have going > > at this time? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Lou, I don't want to jump in on the spat between you and Ron but I will say that as a Founding Member as well, I received no notification of the change and have had the same email addy since my EMSAT days. Good luck. Dave Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T Re: EMSAT > > > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > > for > > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join > and > > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), > let's > > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before > ultimate > > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the > only > > voice EMS has in the state. > > > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > > the > > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization > and > > yield even more interesting projects. > > > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will > just > > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > > and > > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > > again --- > > > > Dick -- EMT-B > > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to > our > > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > > will > > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > > President of EMSAT. > > > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I > do > > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > > Please excuse any typos. > > > (Cell) > > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do > they > > > > have going > > > > at this time? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Lou, I don't want to jump in on the spat between you and Ron but I will say that as a Founding Member as well, I received no notification of the change and have had the same email addy since my EMSAT days. Good luck. Dave Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T Re: EMSAT > > > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > > for > > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join > and > > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), > let's > > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before > ultimate > > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the > only > > voice EMS has in the state. > > > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > > the > > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization > and > > yield even more interesting projects. > > > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will > just > > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > > and > > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > > again --- > > > > Dick -- EMT-B > > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to > our > > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > > will > > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > > President of EMSAT. > > > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I > do > > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > > Please excuse any typos. > > > (Cell) > > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do > they > > > > have going > > > > at this time? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Lou, I don't want to jump in on the spat between you and Ron but I will say that as a Founding Member as well, I received no notification of the change and have had the same email addy since my EMSAT days. Good luck. Dave Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T Re: EMSAT > > > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > > for > > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join > and > > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), > let's > > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before > ultimate > > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the > only > > voice EMS has in the state. > > > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > > the > > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization > and > > yield even more interesting projects. > > > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will > just > > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > > and > > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > > again --- > > > > Dick -- EMT-B > > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to > our > > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > > will > > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > > President of EMSAT. > > > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I > do > > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > > Please excuse any typos. > > > (Cell) > > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do > they > > > > have going > > > > at this time? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Louis, The following is from the website and the only information I ever saw in regards to changing the by-laws on anything. The address on the website for me is accurate. I never saw a meeting posted as stated on the website below for the Jan 2009 meeting as well as many other details I won't go into. I don't feel someone saying they sent an email to the founding members is good enough. Some had not been active for 10 years, but there mailing address is good on the website and all legal papers for most of them. I can and should ask dozens of other questions I have but will save space for today on the egroup. I did keep checking the website as it stated for the details for the meeting to be posted and you can go check that they never were, nor have I seen a meeting posted for EMSAT in years here or on the website except what you see below. The message below doesn't even give what day. We use to post these meeting on this egroup, the Texas EMS Magazine, Texas EMS Conference, emails and mailouts to ALL members addresses trying to make the " best " effort to reach any and everyone we could. So water under the bridge is just that. What is the status of EMSAT and how can I get my questions about the association asked. It would help EMSAT and save me a lot of typing if someone would just tell the EMS Community what is going on with EMSAT, and most of all where we can easily obtain the information that would answer the most common questions. EMSAT is a Non-Profit still I suppose and It has received money from the public ie; telemarketing in the past and other donors and EMSAT has legal requirement to meet for IRS, Sec. Of State and others. Has that been done and is currently up to date since it can be checked with a little research? Thanks Ron a.. Special Board Meeting a.. EMSAT will be holding a special board meeting in January 2009 for the purpose of reviewing and revising its current bylaws. The location and details of the meeting will be posted at least 72 hours before the meeting. Please visit us again to see meeting details. From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 5:18 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Actually Ron very early on in my tender on the BoD we changed the ByLaws and removed the provision that Founding Members were lifetime Nembers as no one on that BoD felt that it was a reasonable provision in fact in my 29 years of active involvement in such orginizations I'd never seen such a provision. Life Memberships yes but not such a provaion of same. I was told that an E-Mail was sent to the last know address of those in that catagory. I can not state it was and would not challange anyone saying it was not as I have no way to prove it was. Ron, you too are a great guy and I certianly respect what you've done in the past locally and statewide in you're career. We have many things in common o. Of which is we tend to be tater blunt and direct. That will either endear us to others or villify us in thier eyes. May e I am just having a bad day (more like 6 months) and maybe I owe you an apolgy for the raking over the coals you precieve. Preception is after all reality. I herby submit that apolgy. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 17:55, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > Louis , > What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to > resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked > questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER > TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy an > d I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questi > ons and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me > to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you > do to all the Members? > > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member > > From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. > > Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? > > I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out > of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as > public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half > dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to > me in the same way. > > The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. > > At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of > explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. > > EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than > bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall > as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. > > Apathy > > I am gong to work to make a living. > > You're right I am at my end. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> > wrote: > > > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > > out of a public forum as possible. > > Sincerely, > > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > > Paramedic > > > > From: Dick > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > > To: texasems-l > > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > > for > > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join > and > > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), > let's > > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before > ultimate > > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the > only > > voice EMS has in the state. > > > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > > the > > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization > and > > yield even more interesting projects. > > > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will > just > > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > > and > > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > > again --- > > > > Dick -- EMT-B > > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to > our > > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > > will > > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > > President of EMSAT. > > > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I > do > > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > > Please excuse any typos. > > > (Cell) > > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do > they > > > > have going > > > > at this time? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 We're amlance drivers. GG Re: EMSAT On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:34, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > But if you did a survey of EMS folks you'd get at best mixed answers > same survey among Q. Public well I am not sue they'd be all that > mixed. You raise another excellent point. How the public views us is even more important than how we view ourselves. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 We're amlance drivers. GG Re: EMSAT On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:34, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > But if you did a survey of EMS folks you'd get at best mixed answers > same survey among Q. Public well I am not sue they'd be all that > mixed. You raise another excellent point. How the public views us is even more important than how we view ourselves. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 We're amlance drivers. GG Re: EMSAT On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:34, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > But if you did a survey of EMS folks you'd get at best mixed answers > same survey among Q. Public well I am not sue they'd be all that > mixed. You raise another excellent point. How the public views us is even more important than how we view ourselves. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Ok, you two, we can all point fingers at each other, but what good will that do? Maybe this right here is why EMSAT is no more, too much fighting among ourselves and over the way an association should be run. This only shows that we as a group of EMS personnel can't even get along long enough to help EMS in Texas. We all have our views and opinions on what we want EMS in Texas to be. We also know that the next person may not see it the way we do, or they may see something totally different then someone else.  I'm not a member of EMSAT, but tried to be after the last EMS Conference, but the address was not accepting mail. If you want to re-organize this group, then maybe new people need to take it over. As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join.  Just my $0.02 worth.  Wayne > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Ok, you two, we can all point fingers at each other, but what good will that do? Maybe this right here is why EMSAT is no more, too much fighting among ourselves and over the way an association should be run. This only shows that we as a group of EMS personnel can't even get along long enough to help EMS in Texas. We all have our views and opinions on what we want EMS in Texas to be. We also know that the next person may not see it the way we do, or they may see something totally different then someone else.  I'm not a member of EMSAT, but tried to be after the last EMS Conference, but the address was not accepting mail. If you want to re-organize this group, then maybe new people need to take it over. As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join.  Just my $0.02 worth.  Wayne > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 Ok, you two, we can all point fingers at each other, but what good will that do? Maybe this right here is why EMSAT is no more, too much fighting among ourselves and over the way an association should be run. This only shows that we as a group of EMS personnel can't even get along long enough to help EMS in Texas. We all have our views and opinions on what we want EMS in Texas to be. We also know that the next person may not see it the way we do, or they may see something totally different then someone else.  I'm not a member of EMSAT, but tried to be after the last EMS Conference, but the address was not accepting mail. If you want to re-organize this group, then maybe new people need to take it over. As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join.  Just my $0.02 worth.  Wayne > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 On Wednesday, April 21, 2010 09:39, " Wayne D " rxmd911@...> said: > As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join. True. But if we don't fight among ourselves, we'll never work things out and acquire a focused vision. Damned if we do. Damned if we don't. But I am of the opinion that we are in the pickle we are in because we don't fight enough. If we just walk merrily along, pretending everything is fine, and that we all agree on everything, we're going to continue to go nowhere. Fighting is good. Fighting is what built this country. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 On Wednesday, April 21, 2010 09:39, " Wayne D " rxmd911@...> said: > As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join. True. But if we don't fight among ourselves, we'll never work things out and acquire a focused vision. Damned if we do. Damned if we don't. But I am of the opinion that we are in the pickle we are in because we don't fight enough. If we just walk merrily along, pretending everything is fine, and that we all agree on everything, we're going to continue to go nowhere. Fighting is good. Fighting is what built this country. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 On Wednesday, April 21, 2010 09:39, " Wayne D " rxmd911@...> said: > As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join. True. But if we don't fight among ourselves, we'll never work things out and acquire a focused vision. Damned if we do. Damned if we don't. But I am of the opinion that we are in the pickle we are in because we don't fight enough. If we just walk merrily along, pretending everything is fine, and that we all agree on everything, we're going to continue to go nowhere. Fighting is good. Fighting is what built this country. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I have held off commenting on EMSAT, not wanting to become a part of a kerfuffle, but perhaps I can help those who haven't been around for lebenty-eight years like me and Louis and Ron and so forth. I am a former board member and (I think) officer. It's been a while since I was involved, since I have spent much of my time out of Texas in the last few years but remain convinced that Texas has the best EMS of any state in the union. 1. At one time NAEMT had a presence in Texas, and it had local chapters, something EMSAT never did, and probably one of the reasons EMSAT failed. However, people also lost interest in NAEMT and it basically folded as a local entity in Texas. 2. About that time, Ron Haussecker and others, with the encouragement of the then Bureau Chief, formed EMSAT. It was formed as a tax exempt corporation and it had full IRS recognition as a tax free entity. There were also other attempts at starting organizations. I can't remember the names of any of them but none of them survived. Legally, EMSAT is a legitimate, legal, organization. It is a private organization as are most corporations, but it's no different from the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, or the Catholic Church. It is a charitable corporatioin. 3. EMSAT's mission was to monitor the actions of the legislature and what was then the Texas Department of Health to see what was going on and make sure that the interests of the rank and file EMS provider were promoted and protected. It also tried to do some other things like offer CE, insurance, and so forth, but its primary purpose was as a watchdog for EMS providers and as a lobbyist at the legislature. 4. After it got started, it had enough members to hire a legislative lobbyist to track legislation that could effect EMS, to work to kill legislation that was detrimental to EMS, and to promote legislation that was friendly to EMS. Without going into details, EMSAT was successful in killing a number of bills that would have been harmful to EMS. This was done by an organization that never achieved even 1% of the 50,000+ certificants in Texas. Why do Texas EMS people not want to join an organization that makes sense for them and costs little? There are many reasons. Big city firefighter EMS folks are generally union members, and they feel that their union takes care of their needs. They see themselves as members of their department, not as members of the Texas EMS family. So they see no reason to join. Others feel that they cannot afford the dues ($35) although the routinely spend that on pizza and beer. Others are simply not interested in what happens to them. Their motto is " Go with the flow. " If the state decides that chimpanzees can be EMTs, so be it. 5. One of the major failings was not having an office with a paid full-time person to answer the phone, keep books, handle memberships, write correspondence, and so forth. There simply was never enough money to do that. That probably was the one greatest thing that held EMSAT back. It's the old problem, you can't get eggs till you have chickens, but if you can't afford a chicken, you can't have any eggs. 6. Attempts were made to hire part-time people to work from home handling the business and contacts with members. One such individual was a disaster, while another did her best to keep things running and for a time improved the situation but, once again, the money was just not there due to lack of memberships. 7. Why won't people join EMSAT? There are many answers, but the number one reason is apathy. Many folks never knew about EMSAT, or if they did had a skewed understanding of what it did, or simply didn't see it as worth $35. When I was on the board, the most frequent question I got from prospective members was, " What's in it for me? " The second most frequent was " What has EMSAT done? " I thought I had good explanations for both those questions, but there seemed to be a notion that EMSAT had never done anything meaningful. Most folks do not follow the actions of the legislature and simply do not appreciate all the near misses EMSAT avoided through its lobbying activities and the bad things it helped keep from happening. That's a part of apathy. So people refused to join because they didn't think EMSAT had done anything, but EMSAT was hampered by not having enough revenue from memberships to maintain a staff and a lobbyist, so its lobbying efforts eventually failed, and it eventually reached its present state as a non-functional organization. For an organization to be able to make a difference, it has to have money. There has to be some trust somewhere. Some will say that EMSAT squandered its trust, and to an extent, that's true, because it has not always been responsive to members and prospective members, but again, without money, you can't do those things. 8. Throughout, as with any organization, there have been internecine spats among the board and the members, which didn't help, but in my judgment didn't sink the organization. What sunk the organization was lack of membership. 9. My comments are not meant to criticize ANYBODY. Ron Houssecker gave his heart and soul to EMSAT and to EMS. I know him well, and while I have not always agreed with him, I will defend until the death his dedication to EMS. The present President, Louis Molino, has done his best to keep things going. One man with a full-time job cannot run an organization like EMSAT and do anything but try to keep it from sliding under the waves. 10. Can EMSAT be salvaged? I doubt it. If only 500 people would join, it would be on solid footing once again, but if 500 people tried to join right now, I don't know how they would do it. Who would the contact to join? Who would process their memberships? Perhaps Lou can clarify this. 11. Texas NEEDS an organization like EMSAT. If all 50,000 of our certified/licensed personnel were members, do not think that the Texas Legislature would not listen to us. Case in point. I'm a lawyer, and I belong to the Texas Bar Association. I have no choice. I MUST belong and pay dues or I can't practice law. What do I get? Some lawyers say not much, but the TBA is one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in the state. It has the ear of the legislature, big time. At EMSAT we once debated different ideas to increase membership, one of which was some way to link membership in EMSAT to certification. When I pay my annual Bar dues (well, now that I'm over 70 I don't have to pay them anymore), I automatically pay my dues to the Texas Bar. Perhaps some such arrangement might work for EMSAT. But don't hold your breath. I expect that if such a thing was proposed, there would be Tea Parties all over the place, and the proposal would quickly die. Bottom line: EMS folks are like cats. You love them or hate them, but you can't herd them. Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P EMS Education and Consulting Tucson, AZ Re: EMSAT Ok, you two, we can all point fingers at each other, but what good will that do? Maybe this right here is why EMSAT is no more, too much fighting among ourselves and over the way an association should be run. This only shows that we as a group of EMS personnel can't even get along long enough to help EMS in Texas. We all have our views and opinions on what we want EMS in Texas to be. We also know that the next person may not see it the way we do, or they may see something totally different then someone else. I'm not a member of EMSAT, but tried to be after the last EMS Conference, but the address was not accepting mail. If you want to re-organize this group, then maybe new people need to take it over. As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join. Just my $0.02 worth. Wayne > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I have held off commenting on EMSAT, not wanting to become a part of a kerfuffle, but perhaps I can help those who haven't been around for lebenty-eight years like me and Louis and Ron and so forth. I am a former board member and (I think) officer. It's been a while since I was involved, since I have spent much of my time out of Texas in the last few years but remain convinced that Texas has the best EMS of any state in the union. 1. At one time NAEMT had a presence in Texas, and it had local chapters, something EMSAT never did, and probably one of the reasons EMSAT failed. However, people also lost interest in NAEMT and it basically folded as a local entity in Texas. 2. About that time, Ron Haussecker and others, with the encouragement of the then Bureau Chief, formed EMSAT. It was formed as a tax exempt corporation and it had full IRS recognition as a tax free entity. There were also other attempts at starting organizations. I can't remember the names of any of them but none of them survived. Legally, EMSAT is a legitimate, legal, organization. It is a private organization as are most corporations, but it's no different from the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, or the Catholic Church. It is a charitable corporatioin. 3. EMSAT's mission was to monitor the actions of the legislature and what was then the Texas Department of Health to see what was going on and make sure that the interests of the rank and file EMS provider were promoted and protected. It also tried to do some other things like offer CE, insurance, and so forth, but its primary purpose was as a watchdog for EMS providers and as a lobbyist at the legislature. 4. After it got started, it had enough members to hire a legislative lobbyist to track legislation that could effect EMS, to work to kill legislation that was detrimental to EMS, and to promote legislation that was friendly to EMS. Without going into details, EMSAT was successful in killing a number of bills that would have been harmful to EMS. This was done by an organization that never achieved even 1% of the 50,000+ certificants in Texas. Why do Texas EMS people not want to join an organization that makes sense for them and costs little? There are many reasons. Big city firefighter EMS folks are generally union members, and they feel that their union takes care of their needs. They see themselves as members of their department, not as members of the Texas EMS family. So they see no reason to join. Others feel that they cannot afford the dues ($35) although the routinely spend that on pizza and beer. Others are simply not interested in what happens to them. Their motto is " Go with the flow. " If the state decides that chimpanzees can be EMTs, so be it. 5. One of the major failings was not having an office with a paid full-time person to answer the phone, keep books, handle memberships, write correspondence, and so forth. There simply was never enough money to do that. That probably was the one greatest thing that held EMSAT back. It's the old problem, you can't get eggs till you have chickens, but if you can't afford a chicken, you can't have any eggs. 6. Attempts were made to hire part-time people to work from home handling the business and contacts with members. One such individual was a disaster, while another did her best to keep things running and for a time improved the situation but, once again, the money was just not there due to lack of memberships. 7. Why won't people join EMSAT? There are many answers, but the number one reason is apathy. Many folks never knew about EMSAT, or if they did had a skewed understanding of what it did, or simply didn't see it as worth $35. When I was on the board, the most frequent question I got from prospective members was, " What's in it for me? " The second most frequent was " What has EMSAT done? " I thought I had good explanations for both those questions, but there seemed to be a notion that EMSAT had never done anything meaningful. Most folks do not follow the actions of the legislature and simply do not appreciate all the near misses EMSAT avoided through its lobbying activities and the bad things it helped keep from happening. That's a part of apathy. So people refused to join because they didn't think EMSAT had done anything, but EMSAT was hampered by not having enough revenue from memberships to maintain a staff and a lobbyist, so its lobbying efforts eventually failed, and it eventually reached its present state as a non-functional organization. For an organization to be able to make a difference, it has to have money. There has to be some trust somewhere. Some will say that EMSAT squandered its trust, and to an extent, that's true, because it has not always been responsive to members and prospective members, but again, without money, you can't do those things. 8. Throughout, as with any organization, there have been internecine spats among the board and the members, which didn't help, but in my judgment didn't sink the organization. What sunk the organization was lack of membership. 9. My comments are not meant to criticize ANYBODY. Ron Houssecker gave his heart and soul to EMSAT and to EMS. I know him well, and while I have not always agreed with him, I will defend until the death his dedication to EMS. The present President, Louis Molino, has done his best to keep things going. One man with a full-time job cannot run an organization like EMSAT and do anything but try to keep it from sliding under the waves. 10. Can EMSAT be salvaged? I doubt it. If only 500 people would join, it would be on solid footing once again, but if 500 people tried to join right now, I don't know how they would do it. Who would the contact to join? Who would process their memberships? Perhaps Lou can clarify this. 11. Texas NEEDS an organization like EMSAT. If all 50,000 of our certified/licensed personnel were members, do not think that the Texas Legislature would not listen to us. Case in point. I'm a lawyer, and I belong to the Texas Bar Association. I have no choice. I MUST belong and pay dues or I can't practice law. What do I get? Some lawyers say not much, but the TBA is one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in the state. It has the ear of the legislature, big time. At EMSAT we once debated different ideas to increase membership, one of which was some way to link membership in EMSAT to certification. When I pay my annual Bar dues (well, now that I'm over 70 I don't have to pay them anymore), I automatically pay my dues to the Texas Bar. Perhaps some such arrangement might work for EMSAT. But don't hold your breath. I expect that if such a thing was proposed, there would be Tea Parties all over the place, and the proposal would quickly die. Bottom line: EMS folks are like cats. You love them or hate them, but you can't herd them. Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P EMS Education and Consulting Tucson, AZ Re: EMSAT Ok, you two, we can all point fingers at each other, but what good will that do? Maybe this right here is why EMSAT is no more, too much fighting among ourselves and over the way an association should be run. This only shows that we as a group of EMS personnel can't even get along long enough to help EMS in Texas. We all have our views and opinions on what we want EMS in Texas to be. We also know that the next person may not see it the way we do, or they may see something totally different then someone else. I'm not a member of EMSAT, but tried to be after the last EMS Conference, but the address was not accepting mail. If you want to re-organize this group, then maybe new people need to take it over. As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join. Just my $0.02 worth. Wayne > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2010 Report Share Posted April 21, 2010 I have held off commenting on EMSAT, not wanting to become a part of a kerfuffle, but perhaps I can help those who haven't been around for lebenty-eight years like me and Louis and Ron and so forth. I am a former board member and (I think) officer. It's been a while since I was involved, since I have spent much of my time out of Texas in the last few years but remain convinced that Texas has the best EMS of any state in the union. 1. At one time NAEMT had a presence in Texas, and it had local chapters, something EMSAT never did, and probably one of the reasons EMSAT failed. However, people also lost interest in NAEMT and it basically folded as a local entity in Texas. 2. About that time, Ron Haussecker and others, with the encouragement of the then Bureau Chief, formed EMSAT. It was formed as a tax exempt corporation and it had full IRS recognition as a tax free entity. There were also other attempts at starting organizations. I can't remember the names of any of them but none of them survived. Legally, EMSAT is a legitimate, legal, organization. It is a private organization as are most corporations, but it's no different from the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, or the Catholic Church. It is a charitable corporatioin. 3. EMSAT's mission was to monitor the actions of the legislature and what was then the Texas Department of Health to see what was going on and make sure that the interests of the rank and file EMS provider were promoted and protected. It also tried to do some other things like offer CE, insurance, and so forth, but its primary purpose was as a watchdog for EMS providers and as a lobbyist at the legislature. 4. After it got started, it had enough members to hire a legislative lobbyist to track legislation that could effect EMS, to work to kill legislation that was detrimental to EMS, and to promote legislation that was friendly to EMS. Without going into details, EMSAT was successful in killing a number of bills that would have been harmful to EMS. This was done by an organization that never achieved even 1% of the 50,000+ certificants in Texas. Why do Texas EMS people not want to join an organization that makes sense for them and costs little? There are many reasons. Big city firefighter EMS folks are generally union members, and they feel that their union takes care of their needs. They see themselves as members of their department, not as members of the Texas EMS family. So they see no reason to join. Others feel that they cannot afford the dues ($35) although the routinely spend that on pizza and beer. Others are simply not interested in what happens to them. Their motto is " Go with the flow. " If the state decides that chimpanzees can be EMTs, so be it. 5. One of the major failings was not having an office with a paid full-time person to answer the phone, keep books, handle memberships, write correspondence, and so forth. There simply was never enough money to do that. That probably was the one greatest thing that held EMSAT back. It's the old problem, you can't get eggs till you have chickens, but if you can't afford a chicken, you can't have any eggs. 6. Attempts were made to hire part-time people to work from home handling the business and contacts with members. One such individual was a disaster, while another did her best to keep things running and for a time improved the situation but, once again, the money was just not there due to lack of memberships. 7. Why won't people join EMSAT? There are many answers, but the number one reason is apathy. Many folks never knew about EMSAT, or if they did had a skewed understanding of what it did, or simply didn't see it as worth $35. When I was on the board, the most frequent question I got from prospective members was, " What's in it for me? " The second most frequent was " What has EMSAT done? " I thought I had good explanations for both those questions, but there seemed to be a notion that EMSAT had never done anything meaningful. Most folks do not follow the actions of the legislature and simply do not appreciate all the near misses EMSAT avoided through its lobbying activities and the bad things it helped keep from happening. That's a part of apathy. So people refused to join because they didn't think EMSAT had done anything, but EMSAT was hampered by not having enough revenue from memberships to maintain a staff and a lobbyist, so its lobbying efforts eventually failed, and it eventually reached its present state as a non-functional organization. For an organization to be able to make a difference, it has to have money. There has to be some trust somewhere. Some will say that EMSAT squandered its trust, and to an extent, that's true, because it has not always been responsive to members and prospective members, but again, without money, you can't do those things. 8. Throughout, as with any organization, there have been internecine spats among the board and the members, which didn't help, but in my judgment didn't sink the organization. What sunk the organization was lack of membership. 9. My comments are not meant to criticize ANYBODY. Ron Houssecker gave his heart and soul to EMSAT and to EMS. I know him well, and while I have not always agreed with him, I will defend until the death his dedication to EMS. The present President, Louis Molino, has done his best to keep things going. One man with a full-time job cannot run an organization like EMSAT and do anything but try to keep it from sliding under the waves. 10. Can EMSAT be salvaged? I doubt it. If only 500 people would join, it would be on solid footing once again, but if 500 people tried to join right now, I don't know how they would do it. Who would the contact to join? Who would process their memberships? Perhaps Lou can clarify this. 11. Texas NEEDS an organization like EMSAT. If all 50,000 of our certified/licensed personnel were members, do not think that the Texas Legislature would not listen to us. Case in point. I'm a lawyer, and I belong to the Texas Bar Association. I have no choice. I MUST belong and pay dues or I can't practice law. What do I get? Some lawyers say not much, but the TBA is one of the most powerful lobbying organizations in the state. It has the ear of the legislature, big time. At EMSAT we once debated different ideas to increase membership, one of which was some way to link membership in EMSAT to certification. When I pay my annual Bar dues (well, now that I'm over 70 I don't have to pay them anymore), I automatically pay my dues to the Texas Bar. Perhaps some such arrangement might work for EMSAT. But don't hold your breath. I expect that if such a thing was proposed, there would be Tea Parties all over the place, and the proposal would quickly die. Bottom line: EMS folks are like cats. You love them or hate them, but you can't herd them. Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P EMS Education and Consulting Tucson, AZ Re: EMSAT Ok, you two, we can all point fingers at each other, but what good will that do? Maybe this right here is why EMSAT is no more, too much fighting among ourselves and over the way an association should be run. This only shows that we as a group of EMS personnel can't even get along long enough to help EMS in Texas. We all have our views and opinions on what we want EMS in Texas to be. We also know that the next person may not see it the way we do, or they may see something totally different then someone else. I'm not a member of EMSAT, but tried to be after the last EMS Conference, but the address was not accepting mail. If you want to re-organize this group, then maybe new people need to take it over. As long as we fight among ourselves, no one will want to join. Just my $0.02 worth. Wayne > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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