Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Are we even a profession? Or a trade? -Wes Re: EMSAT On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > The probles in EMS overall as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. > > Apathy While it's certainly not what any of us want to hear, I have to admit that this is the most simple, yet profound summary of our situation to be had. But let's face it, the majority of our ranks have no more than one hundred some-odd hours invested in this " profession " . From that perspective, it's easy to see why few of us get passionate enough to try and make a difference. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 15:56, ExLngHrn@... said: > Are we even a profession? Or a trade? ^ More profundity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 15:56, ExLngHrn@... said: > Are we even a profession? Or a trade? ^ More profundity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 But if you did a survey of EMS folks you'd get at best mixed answers same survey among Q. Public well I am not sue they'd be all that mixed. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > if anyone has to ask....must be the latter > > >>> " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@...> > 4/20/2010 4:00 PM >>> > On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 15:56, ExLngHrn@... said: > > > Are we even a profession? Or a trade? > > ^ More profundity. > > =========================================================== > This message is confidential, intended only > for the named recipient(s) and may contain > information that is privileged or exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If you are > not the intended recipient(s), you are notified > that the dissemination, distribution or copying > of this message is strictly prohibited. If you > received this message in error, or are not the > named recipient(s), please notify the sender > and delete this e-mail from your computer. > > ETMC has implemented secure messaging for > certain types of messages. For more information > about our secure messaging system, go to: > > http://www.etmc.org/mail/ > > Thank you. > =========================================================== > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Louis , What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy and I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questions and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you do to all the Members? Sincerely, Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to me in the same way. The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. Apathy I am gong to work to make a living. You're right I am at my end. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > out of a public forum as possible. > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > Paramedic > > From: Dick > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Louis , What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy and I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questions and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you do to all the Members? Sincerely, Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to me in the same way. The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. Apathy I am gong to work to make a living. You're right I am at my end. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > out of a public forum as possible. > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > Paramedic > > From: Dick > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 We really don't care who did what to whom on this list serve. Let's move on to something else please. Take it private for the mud slinging! To: texasems-l > Date: 04/20/2010 16:55 Subject: Re: EMSAT Sent by: texasems-l Louis , What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy and I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questions and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you do to all the Members? Sincerely, Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to me in the same way. The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. Apathy I am gong to work to make a living. You're right I am at my end. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > out of a public forum as possible. > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > Paramedic > > From: Dick > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 We really don't care who did what to whom on this list serve. Let's move on to something else please. Take it private for the mud slinging! To: texasems-l > Date: 04/20/2010 16:55 Subject: Re: EMSAT Sent by: texasems-l Louis , What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy and I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questions and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you do to all the Members? Sincerely, Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to me in the same way. The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. Apathy I am gong to work to make a living. You're right I am at my end. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > out of a public forum as possible. > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > Paramedic > > From: Dick > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 We really don't care who did what to whom on this list serve. Let's move on to something else please. Take it private for the mud slinging! To: texasems-l > Date: 04/20/2010 16:55 Subject: Re: EMSAT Sent by: texasems-l Louis , What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy and I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questions and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you do to all the Members? Sincerely, Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to me in the same way. The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. Apathy I am gong to work to make a living. You're right I am at my end. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > out of a public forum as possible. > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > Paramedic > > From: Dick > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:34, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said: > But if you did a survey of EMS folks you'd get at best mixed answers > same survey among Q. Public well I am not sue they'd be all that > mixed. You raise another excellent point. How the public views us is even more important than how we view ourselves. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Wes, EMSAT is NOT a Private Organization as you have described. I am a member and I will ask questions as a member and I have a right to ask questions of Tax Exempt Organizations that takes money from the public. Right? When did EMSAT become private? Are you saying as a member I'm a self appointed expert based on what? I was a founding member and President for many years and can tell you EMSAT did do a lot of good, and I'm sorry you missed it, but I don't care to go backwards and will continue to move forward as much as I can. It sounds more your trying to defend someone or something. Not sure which if either. Are you a Member of EMSAT? Sincerely, Ron From: ExLngHrn@... Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:09 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Ron, Let me preface this by saying I'm not your lawyer (nor am I EMSAT's lawyer), but EMSAT is a private organization and answers to its membership and its board of directors. While EMSAT should make efforts to increase its membership and its visbility, it doesn't owe you, me, or any other self-appointed EMS experts answers. EMSAT can live and die on its efforts -- and I think we've seen the collective answer from Texas EMS to EMSAT's efforts. I personally believe that's a need, a role, and a place for an association that represents all EMS providers in Texas, but the majority of Texas certified providers (myself included at times) have failed to see what EMSAT membership does for them. Mere histrionics saying that you have to join EMSAT haven't done much. While I understand your passion for EMSAT (or some other state EMS association), I'm not really sure what is accomplished merely by having an organization that claims to represent all of EMS, especially when we don't even seem to want an association as witnesses by EMSAT's current status. Best, -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P/Lic.P. -Attorney at Law/Licensed Paramedic/EMS Instructor -Austin, Texas Re: EMSAT I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work for me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only voice EMS has in the state. Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and the directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and yield even more interesting projects. I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check and use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear again --- Dick -- EMT-B Celina Fire Department > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > President of EMSAT. > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > wrote: > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > have going > > at this time? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Wes, EMSAT is NOT a Private Organization as you have described. I am a member and I will ask questions as a member and I have a right to ask questions of Tax Exempt Organizations that takes money from the public. Right? When did EMSAT become private? Are you saying as a member I'm a self appointed expert based on what? I was a founding member and President for many years and can tell you EMSAT did do a lot of good, and I'm sorry you missed it, but I don't care to go backwards and will continue to move forward as much as I can. It sounds more your trying to defend someone or something. Not sure which if either. Are you a Member of EMSAT? Sincerely, Ron From: ExLngHrn@... Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:09 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: EMSAT Ron, Let me preface this by saying I'm not your lawyer (nor am I EMSAT's lawyer), but EMSAT is a private organization and answers to its membership and its board of directors. While EMSAT should make efforts to increase its membership and its visbility, it doesn't owe you, me, or any other self-appointed EMS experts answers. EMSAT can live and die on its efforts -- and I think we've seen the collective answer from Texas EMS to EMSAT's efforts. I personally believe that's a need, a role, and a place for an association that represents all EMS providers in Texas, but the majority of Texas certified providers (myself included at times) have failed to see what EMSAT membership does for them. Mere histrionics saying that you have to join EMSAT haven't done much. While I understand your passion for EMSAT (or some other state EMS association), I'm not really sure what is accomplished merely by having an organization that claims to represent all of EMS, especially when we don't even seem to want an association as witnesses by EMSAT's current status. Best, -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P/Lic.P. -Attorney at Law/Licensed Paramedic/EMS Instructor -Austin, Texas Re: EMSAT I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work for me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only voice EMS has in the state. Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and the directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and yield even more interesting projects. I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check and use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear again --- Dick -- EMT-B Celina Fire Department > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > President of EMSAT. > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > wrote: > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > have going > > at this time? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Ron: Actually, EMSAT is a private organization, of which you're a member. Does EMSAT take money from the public? I was unaware that EMSAT was under any contracts to receive public money or funding. I gave up my EMSAT membership a while back when I realized that EMSAT did not do much for me aside from claiming to be my voice as an EMS provider. As you've noticed, I'm more than capable of speaking for myself. -Wes Re: EMSAT I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work for me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only voice EMS has in the state. Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and the directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and yield even more interesting projects. I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check and use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear again --- Dick -- EMT-B Celina Fire Department > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > President of EMSAT. > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > wrote: > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > have going > > at this time? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Ron: Actually, EMSAT is a private organization, of which you're a member. Does EMSAT take money from the public? I was unaware that EMSAT was under any contracts to receive public money or funding. I gave up my EMSAT membership a while back when I realized that EMSAT did not do much for me aside from claiming to be my voice as an EMS provider. As you've noticed, I'm more than capable of speaking for myself. -Wes Re: EMSAT I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work for me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only voice EMS has in the state. Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and the directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and yield even more interesting projects. I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check and use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear again --- Dick -- EMT-B Celina Fire Department > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > President of EMSAT. > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > wrote: > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > have going > > at this time? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Ron: Actually, EMSAT is a private organization, of which you're a member. Does EMSAT take money from the public? I was unaware that EMSAT was under any contracts to receive public money or funding. I gave up my EMSAT membership a while back when I realized that EMSAT did not do much for me aside from claiming to be my voice as an EMS provider. As you've noticed, I'm more than capable of speaking for myself. -Wes Re: EMSAT I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work for me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only voice EMS has in the state. Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and the directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and yield even more interesting projects. I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check and use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear again --- Dick -- EMT-B Celina Fire Department > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I will > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > President of EMSAT. > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > wrote: > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > have going > > at this time? > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > Neil > > > > -- > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Actually Ron very early on in my tender on the BoD we changed the ByLaws and removed the provision that Founding Members were lifetime Nembers as no one on that BoD felt that it was a reasonable provision in fact in my 29 years of active involvement in such orginizations I'd never seen such a provision. Life Memberships yes but not such a provaion of same. I was told that an E-Mail was sent to the last know address of those in that catagory. I can not state it was and would not challange anyone saying it was not as I have no way to prove it was. Ron, you too are a great guy and I certianly respect what you've done in the past locally and statewide in you're career. We have many things in common o. Of which is we tend to be tater blunt and direct. That will either endear us to others or villify us in thier eyes. May e I am just having a bad day (more like 6 months) and maybe I owe you an apolgy for the raking over the coals you precieve. Preception is after all reality. I herby submit that apolgy. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 17:55, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > Louis , > What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to > resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked > questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER > TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy an > d I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questi > ons and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me > to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you > do to all the Members? > > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member > > From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. > > Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? > > I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out > of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as > public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half > dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to > me in the same way. > > The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. > > At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of > explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. > > EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than > bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall > as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. > > Apathy > > I am gong to work to make a living. > > You're right I am at my end. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> > wrote: > > > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > > out of a public forum as possible. > > Sincerely, > > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > > Paramedic > > > > From: Dick > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > > To: texasems-l > > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > > for > > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join > and > > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), > let's > > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before > ultimate > > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the > only > > voice EMS has in the state. > > > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > > the > > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization > and > > yield even more interesting projects. > > > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will > just > > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > > and > > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > > again --- > > > > Dick -- EMT-B > > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to > our > > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > > will > > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > > President of EMSAT. > > > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I > do > > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > > Please excuse any typos. > > > (Cell) > > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do > they > > > > have going > > > > at this time? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Actually Ron very early on in my tender on the BoD we changed the ByLaws and removed the provision that Founding Members were lifetime Nembers as no one on that BoD felt that it was a reasonable provision in fact in my 29 years of active involvement in such orginizations I'd never seen such a provision. Life Memberships yes but not such a provaion of same. I was told that an E-Mail was sent to the last know address of those in that catagory. I can not state it was and would not challange anyone saying it was not as I have no way to prove it was. Ron, you too are a great guy and I certianly respect what you've done in the past locally and statewide in you're career. We have many things in common o. Of which is we tend to be tater blunt and direct. That will either endear us to others or villify us in thier eyes. May e I am just having a bad day (more like 6 months) and maybe I owe you an apolgy for the raking over the coals you precieve. Preception is after all reality. I herby submit that apolgy. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 17:55, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > Louis , > What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to > resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked > questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER > TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy an > d I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questi > ons and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me > to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you > do to all the Members? > > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member > > From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. > > Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? > > I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out > of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as > public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half > dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to > me in the same way. > > The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. > > At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of > explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. > > EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than > bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall > as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. > > Apathy > > I am gong to work to make a living. > > You're right I am at my end. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> > wrote: > > > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > > out of a public forum as possible. > > Sincerely, > > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > > Paramedic > > > > From: Dick > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > > To: texasems-l > > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > > for > > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join > and > > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), > let's > > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before > ultimate > > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the > only > > voice EMS has in the state. > > > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > > the > > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization > and > > yield even more interesting projects. > > > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will > just > > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > > and > > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > > again --- > > > > Dick -- EMT-B > > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to > our > > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > > will > > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > > President of EMSAT. > > > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I > do > > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > > Please excuse any typos. > > > (Cell) > > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do > they > > > > have going > > > > at this time? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Actually Ron very early on in my tender on the BoD we changed the ByLaws and removed the provision that Founding Members were lifetime Nembers as no one on that BoD felt that it was a reasonable provision in fact in my 29 years of active involvement in such orginizations I'd never seen such a provision. Life Memberships yes but not such a provaion of same. I was told that an E-Mail was sent to the last know address of those in that catagory. I can not state it was and would not challange anyone saying it was not as I have no way to prove it was. Ron, you too are a great guy and I certianly respect what you've done in the past locally and statewide in you're career. We have many things in common o. Of which is we tend to be tater blunt and direct. That will either endear us to others or villify us in thier eyes. May e I am just having a bad day (more like 6 months) and maybe I owe you an apolgy for the raking over the coals you precieve. Preception is after all reality. I herby submit that apolgy. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 17:55, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > Louis , > What threats? What threat did I make that cost a BoD member to > resign? Is it my fault a Board Member resigned due to being asked > questions about previous Boards? ? What do you mean we FAKED OVER > TIME? Louis I'm in the dark on your ramblings. You’re a great guy an > d I'm sure you have worked very hard for EMSAT, so when I ask questi > ons and get no response as a Member what do you as President want me > to do? Get rolled over the coals by the President? Is this what you > do to all the Members? > > Sincerely, > Ron Haussecker EMSAT Member > > From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 10:12 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > Barely hours have gone by and you make threats. > > Perhaps Ron this is why we faked over time? > > I work for a living in a crap economy. I am on a trip for the week out > of Texas. I've answered the question posed in an as candid and as > public way as possible. Intact in the past year I've answer the half > dozen or so E-Mails on this kis and over a dozen private ones sent to > me in the same way. > > The last threat you issused cost the EMSAT BoD a Member. > > At least one BoD Member quit specicLly for the reason if wing tired of > explaing what was done by prior EMSAT Boards. > > EMS eats its young and old, we focus oh so much on the WIIFM and than > bitch moan and grown when we don't get it. The probles in EMS overall > as well as in Texas EMS can be summed up in one word. > > Apathy > > I am gong to work to make a living. > > You're right I am at my end. > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CETd > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:47, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> > wrote: > > > You are correct in what you say and I thank you for you belief, > > trust and vision. I would not put a check in the mail until we get > > some answers to the viability, or if the organization still legally > > exists. I have,. and others have asked questions about where the > > organizations stands in every aspect and we are not receiving what > > is public information. So I will ask the 4 EMSAT BOD now once again > > to respond to the EMS Community the full condition, and all the > > aspects we as an EMS Community needs to know to move EMSAT forward. > > If I do not get any response then I will take the avenues left to > > me, and none are pleasant for me and very time consuming, but my be > > the only choice I'm given. I would also ask that a EMSAT Board > > Member contact me on my cell to discuss this as much > > out of a public forum as possible. > > Sincerely, > > Ron Haussecker , EMSAT Member, Founding Member, Past President, > > Paramedic > > > > From: Dick > > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 7:18 AM > > To: texasems-l > > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > > for > > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join > and > > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), > let's > > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before > ultimate > > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the > only > > voice EMS has in the state. > > > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > > the > > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization > and > > yield even more interesting projects. > > > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will > just > > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > > and > > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > > again --- > > > > Dick -- EMT-B > > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to > our > > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > > will > > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > > President of EMSAT. > > > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I > do > > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > > Please excuse any typos. > > > (Cell) > > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do > they > > > > have going > > > > at this time? > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 So it's settled we are public safety That ought to endear me to many here and vilify me to the remainder. Maybe I should do a Bledsoe. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 18:04, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:34, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@... > > said: > > > But if you did a survey of EMS folks you'd get at best mixed answers > > same survey among Q. Public well I am not sue they'd be all > that > > mixed. > > You raise another excellent point. How the public views us is even > more important than how we view ourselves. > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 So it's settled we are public safety That ought to endear me to many here and vilify me to the remainder. Maybe I should do a Bledsoe. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 18:04, " rob.davis@... " rob.davis@... > wrote: > On Tuesday, April 20, 2010 16:34, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@... > > said: > > > But if you did a survey of EMS folks you'd get at best mixed answers > > same survey among Q. Public well I am not sue they'd be all > that > > mixed. > > You raise another excellent point. How the public views us is even > more important than how we view ourselves. > > Rob > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Wes is indeed a Member. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 18:04, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > Wes, > EMSAT is NOT a Private Organization as you have described. I am a > member and I will ask questions as a member and I have a right to > ask questions of Tax Exempt Organizations that takes money from the > public. Right? When did EMSAT become private? Are you saying as a > member I'm a self appointed expert based on what? I was a founding > member and President for many years and can tell you EMSAT did do a > lot of good, and I'm sorry you missed it, but I don't care to go > backwards and will continue to move forward as much as I can. It > sounds more your trying to defend someone or something. Not sure > which if either. Are you a Member of EMSAT? > Sincerely, > Ron > > From: ExLngHrn@... > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:09 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > Ron, > > Let me preface this by saying I'm not your lawyer (nor am I EMSAT's > lawyer), but EMSAT is a private organization and answers to its > membership and its board of directors. While EMSAT should make > efforts to increase its membership and its visbility, it doesn't owe > you, me, or any other self-appointed EMS experts answers. EMSAT can > live and die on its efforts -- and I think we've seen the collective > answer from Texas EMS to EMSAT's efforts. > > I personally believe that's a need, a role, and a place for an > association that represents all EMS providers in Texas, but the > majority of Texas certified providers (myself included at times) > have failed to see what EMSAT membership does for them. Mere > histrionics saying that you have to join EMSAT haven't done much. > While I understand your passion for EMSAT (or some other state EMS > association), I'm not really sure what is accomplished merely by > having an organization that claims to represent all of EMS, > especially when we don't even seem to want an association as > witnesses by EMSAT's current status. > > Best, > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P/Lic.P. > -Attorney at Law/Licensed Paramedic/EMS Instructor > -Austin, Texas > > Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Wes is indeed a Member. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 18:04, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > Wes, > EMSAT is NOT a Private Organization as you have described. I am a > member and I will ask questions as a member and I have a right to > ask questions of Tax Exempt Organizations that takes money from the > public. Right? When did EMSAT become private? Are you saying as a > member I'm a self appointed expert based on what? I was a founding > member and President for many years and can tell you EMSAT did do a > lot of good, and I'm sorry you missed it, but I don't care to go > backwards and will continue to move forward as much as I can. It > sounds more your trying to defend someone or something. Not sure > which if either. Are you a Member of EMSAT? > Sincerely, > Ron > > From: ExLngHrn@... > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:09 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > Ron, > > Let me preface this by saying I'm not your lawyer (nor am I EMSAT's > lawyer), but EMSAT is a private organization and answers to its > membership and its board of directors. While EMSAT should make > efforts to increase its membership and its visbility, it doesn't owe > you, me, or any other self-appointed EMS experts answers. EMSAT can > live and die on its efforts -- and I think we've seen the collective > answer from Texas EMS to EMSAT's efforts. > > I personally believe that's a need, a role, and a place for an > association that represents all EMS providers in Texas, but the > majority of Texas certified providers (myself included at times) > have failed to see what EMSAT membership does for them. Mere > histrionics saying that you have to join EMSAT haven't done much. > While I understand your passion for EMSAT (or some other state EMS > association), I'm not really sure what is accomplished merely by > having an organization that claims to represent all of EMS, > especially when we don't even seem to want an association as > witnesses by EMSAT's current status. > > Best, > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P/Lic.P. > -Attorney at Law/Licensed Paramedic/EMS Instructor > -Austin, Texas > > Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 Wes is indeed a Member. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... On Apr 20, 2010, at 18:04, " Ron Haussecker " haussecker87@...> wrote: > Wes, > EMSAT is NOT a Private Organization as you have described. I am a > member and I will ask questions as a member and I have a right to > ask questions of Tax Exempt Organizations that takes money from the > public. Right? When did EMSAT become private? Are you saying as a > member I'm a self appointed expert based on what? I was a founding > member and President for many years and can tell you EMSAT did do a > lot of good, and I'm sorry you missed it, but I don't care to go > backwards and will continue to move forward as much as I can. It > sounds more your trying to defend someone or something. Not sure > which if either. Are you a Member of EMSAT? > Sincerely, > Ron > > From: ExLngHrn@... > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:09 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: EMSAT > > Ron, > > Let me preface this by saying I'm not your lawyer (nor am I EMSAT's > lawyer), but EMSAT is a private organization and answers to its > membership and its board of directors. While EMSAT should make > efforts to increase its membership and its visbility, it doesn't owe > you, me, or any other self-appointed EMS experts answers. EMSAT can > live and die on its efforts -- and I think we've seen the collective > answer from Texas EMS to EMSAT's efforts. > > I personally believe that's a need, a role, and a place for an > association that represents all EMS providers in Texas, but the > majority of Texas certified providers (myself included at times) > have failed to see what EMSAT membership does for them. Mere > histrionics saying that you have to join EMSAT haven't done much. > While I understand your passion for EMSAT (or some other state EMS > association), I'm not really sure what is accomplished merely by > having an organization that claims to represent all of EMS, > especially when we don't even seem to want an association as > witnesses by EMSAT's current status. > > Best, > -Wes Ogilvie, MPA, JD, NREMT-P/Lic.P. > -Attorney at Law/Licensed Paramedic/EMS Instructor > -Austin, Texas > > Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I show Wes on the last Membership list it is like every thing else dated severely. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > > Ron: > > Actually, EMSAT is a private organization, of which you're a member. > Does EMSAT take money from the public? I was unaware that EMSAT was > under any contracts to receive public money or funding. > > I gave up my EMSAT membership a while back when I realized that > EMSAT did not do much for me aside from claiming to be my voice as > an EMS provider. As you've noticed, I'm more than capable of > speaking for myself. > > -Wes > > Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2010 Report Share Posted April 20, 2010 I show Wes on the last Membership list it is like every thing else dated severely. Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > > Ron: > > Actually, EMSAT is a private organization, of which you're a member. > Does EMSAT take money from the public? I was unaware that EMSAT was > under any contracts to receive public money or funding. > > I gave up my EMSAT membership a while back when I realized that > EMSAT did not do much for me aside from claiming to be my voice as > an EMS provider. As you've noticed, I'm more than capable of > speaking for myself. > > -Wes > > Re: EMSAT > > I tried to join a few months ago and could not make the website work > for > me. I intended to try again but forgot. I would still like to join and > support the effort. If EMSAT is a good idea (and I think it is), let's > not let the setback cause it to go away. So many individuals, > organizations and companies have seen very hard times before ultimate > success. There does appear to be a need for EMSAT as DSHS is the only > voice EMS has in the state. > > Perhaps this list can be used to determine what needs to be done and > the > directions EMSAT needs to go. That may well grow the organization and > yield even more interesting projects. > > I have tried the website again with no luck. So, this time I will just > put the requested information on a piece of paper, enclose an check > and > use snail-mail. Oh the anguish when technology fails! > > Be safe everyone and think about getting this organization into gear > again --- > > Dick -- EMT-B > Celina Fire Department > > > > > > Our BoD is down to Four. We have no support and extremely little > > intrest from anyone except for the occasional message here or to our > > info E-Mail address on our website which has no one maintaining it > > > > I could blame these facts on a variety of factors but I won't. I > will > > accept the blame as the current and to be frank likely the last > > President of EMSAT. > > > > In ways I am sorry and apologize to the whole of Trxas EMS but I do > > sleep soundly knowing I have tried my personal bet to build EMSAT. > > I've failed and that bothers me greatly. > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > On Apr 19, 2010, at 20:48, Neil White drdugud@... > > > wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if EMSAT is still going? If so, what projects do they > > > have going > > > at this time? > > > > > > Thanks in advance, > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > -- > > > Neil White, RN, LP > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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