Re: Rings (Was: Graduation gift ideas)

[Guest guest]

,

Sometimes you can bang your finger on something in the ambulance and the ring

can bend, cutting off circulation to your finger.

Other than that I can't think of much

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Re: Graduation gift ideas

as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

ck

In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries in

my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

but

still left an impression.

As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@... _ (mailto:LNMolino@...

)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_rob.davis@... _

(mailto:rob.davis@...

)

writes:

On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, __lnmolino@...

_

(mailto:_lnmolino@... ) _

(mailto:_lnmolino@... _

(mailto:lnmolino@... ) ) said:

> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock FF/PM

> combination ring.

If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

site. The

three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

www.artcarved.com

www.balfour.com

www.jostens.com

But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

they Heat. up I burned mine hands though my glove.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Graduation gift ideas

as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

ck

In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries in

my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

but

still left an impression.

As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@... _ (mailto:LNMolino@...

)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_rob.davis@... _

(mailto:rob.davis@...

)

writes:

On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, __lnmolino@...

_

(mailto:_lnmolino@... ) _

(mailto:_lnmolino@... _

(mailto:lnmolino@... ) ) said:

> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock FF/PM

> combination ring.

If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

site. The

three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

www.artcarved.com

www.balfour.com

www.jostens.com

But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Yes. It gets contaminated, and unless you remove it to wash your hands and wash

it separately, it's unlikely to get clean. If you take it off to wash, then you

drop it down the sink drain, and then your wife beats you with a skillet and,

well, you know; BTW, this also happens with stethoscopes, watches, neckties

that some doctors wear (if you want to cringe, read the study on what they found

living on physicians' neckties), and in this day and age of MRSA, it's just not

a good idea to wear jewelry.

Know how some folks who have clip on IDs love to stick ACLS pins, little

helicopters, PHTLS and all the other alphabet pins on them? Once we took some

samples of those and every single one of them were alive with bacteria.

We owe it to both our patients and ourselves and our families not to spread

infections. Remember to disinfect your stethoscope after every call, use

covers, and leave the jewelry at home.

GG

Re: Graduation gift ideas

as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

ck

In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... ; writes:

I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries in

my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

but

still left an impression.

As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@... ; _ (mailto:LNMolino@...

; )

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_rob.davis@... ; _

(mailto:rob.davis@... ;

)

writes:

On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, __lnmolino@...

; _

(mailto:_lnmolino@... ; ) _

(mailto:_lnmolino@... ; _

(mailto:lnmolino@... ; ) ) said:

> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock FF/PM

> combination ring.

If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

site. The

three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

www.artcarved.com

www.balfour.com

www.jostens.com

But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

Rob

[Guest guest]

if snag safety is not enough (and you can deglove your finger if your ring

catches just right as the cot drops), then what about:

personal protection: the ring wears spots in gloves, allowing Blood and

other Body Fluids to penetrate (and this can happen in less than a minute with

cheap gloves)

Patient protection: difficult to make sure that you have all the B/OBF out

from under the ring or out of the crevices in the ring

Crush injuries to the finger: I made the mistake of wearing my (then new)

wedding band while lifting a patient during field practice back in

1990....almost had to get the ring cut off, as it had warped so bad.

OSHA can bag your company for $50K for *each* incident if they investigate

and find that folks are wearing rings in dangerous situations.

nuff said?

ck

In a message dated 5/25/2010 23:52:17 Central Daylight Time,

txgrizzlybear@... writes:

Ok, while I DO understand the purpose behind not wearing rings (they could

snag and then there is another patient) I hate to say that, unless my hands

are swollen, and they sometimes do in the summer, I have never removed my

wedding ring.

Any other reasons why it should be removed other than the " snag " safety

reason?

Sincerely,

Titter

FF/ECA

Certified AHA CPR Instructor

PO Box 2761

Conroe, Texas 77305

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Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:05 PM

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

Subject: Re: Graduation gift ideas

as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

ck

In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

writes:

I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries in

my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

but

still left an impression.

As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

__LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...)

_ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._

(mailto:LNMolino@...)

)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

__rob.davis@..._ (mailto:_rob.davis@...)

_

(mailto:_rob.davis@..._

(mailto:rob.davis@...)

)

writes:

On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, ___lnmolino@..._

(mailto:__lnmolino@...)

_

(mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

) _

(mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

_

(mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

) ) said:

> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock FF/PM

> combination ring.

If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

site. The

three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

www.artcarved.com

www.balfour.com

www.jostens.com

But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

Rob

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[Guest guest]

,

Google images of a de-gloved finger and tell me you need more reason. I

understand some folks desire to wear that ring as a symbol and all but the

possibility for a life altering injury is pretty severe.

I have said I am not much for jewelry and I respect your right to be that

person but when I was a chief I wrote a policy against most jewelry for a

reason.

SAFETY.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/25/2010 11:51:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

txgrizzlybear@... writes:

Ok, while I DO understand the purpose behind not wearing rings (they could

snag and then there is another patient) I hate to say that, unless my hands

are swollen, and they sometimes do in the summer, I have never removed my

wedding ring.

Any other reasons why it should be removed other than the " snag " safety

reason?

Sincerely,

Titter

FF/ECA

Certified AHA CPR Instructor

PO Box 2761

Conroe, Texas 77305

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From: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

[mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) ] On

Behalf Of _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 5:05 PM

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

Subject: Re: Graduation gift ideas

as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

ck

In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

writes:

I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries in

my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

but

still left an impression.

As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

__LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...)

_ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._

(mailto:LNMolino@...)

)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

__rob.davis@..._ (mailto:_rob.davis@...)

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(mailto:_rob.davis@..._

(mailto:rob.davis@...)

)

writes:

On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, ___lnmolino@..._

(mailto:__lnmolino@...)

_

(mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

) _

(mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

_

(mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

) ) said:

> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock FF/PM

> combination ring.

If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

site. The

three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

www.artcarved.com

www.balfour.com

www.jostens.com

But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

Rob

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/26/2010 6:34:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

krin135@... writes:

OSHA can bag your company for $50K for *each* incident if they investigate

and find that folks are wearing rings in dangerous situations.

IF the key word.

Depending on OSHA to keep one safe is like depending on drunks never to

drive.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

[Guest guest]

It only needs to happen to you ONCE.

As for the vest thing it happens enough where there is now a PUBLIC SAFETY

BREAK AWAY OPTION on the ANSI Approved vests which are to be used by public

safety folks (Yes, that DOES mean EMS).

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/26/2010 1:44:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

aggiesrwe03@... writes:

something on my steel

[Guest guest]

it happens often enough that this injury can listed as 'line of duty-NO'

when the report is filed with the Worker's Comp commission, as many

employers have policies *against* wearing rings on the job.

violate the policy, get injured, and pay for your injury yourself- even

your personal medical insurance may not cover it under the 'willful and wanton

neglect' clause that is often hidden in the fine print.

ck

In a message dated 5/26/2010 13:44:31 Central Daylight Time,

aggiesrwe03@... writes:

Yeah and I COULD get my traffic vest caught by a passing car or hungry

condor for that matter, or drop something on my steel toe boot bending it and

severing all of my piggies I'll take my chances with my wedding ring sure it

happens but really how often!?!?!?! (to medics and ff's i mean,

construction workers I'm sure is much higher)

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard

on my iPhone

On May 25, 2010, at 23:52, _js0095001@..._

(mailto:js0095001@...) wrote:

> ,

>

> Sometimes you can bang your finger on something in the ambulance and the

ring can bend, cutting off circulation to your finger.

>

> Other than that I can't think of much

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

>

> Re: Graduation gift ideas

>

>

>

>

>

> as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

>

> then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

> _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

writes:

>

> I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries

in

> my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

> but

> still left an impression.

>

> As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> __LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...)

_ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._

(mailto:LNMolino@...)

> )

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> __rob.davis@..._ (mailto:_rob.davis@...)

_

> (mailto:_rob.davis@..._

(mailto:rob.davis@...)

> )

> writes:

>

> On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, ___lnmolino@..._

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> (mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

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> (mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

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> (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

) ) said:

>

>> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock

FF/PM

>> combination ring.

>

> If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

> personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

> site. The

> three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

>

> www.artcarved.com

> www.balfour.com

> www.jostens.com

>

> But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

>

> Rob

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[Guest guest]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 06:34, krin135@... said:

> Patient protection: difficult to make sure that you have all the B/OBF out

> from under the ring or out of the crevices in the ring

Excellent points from Doc Krin. Few EMS providers use effective handwashing

techniques as it is. Forget expecting them to take off their ring and wash and

dry under it every time. Instead, you get a permanent warm, wet, dark breeding

ground for pathogens under the ring. Nasty.

> Crush injuries to the finger: I made the mistake of wearing my (then new)

> wedding band while lifting a patient during field practice back in

> 1990....almost had to get the ring cut off, as it had warped so bad.

I did have to get a ring cut off back around 1984. We put a patient on a

hospital gurney, and before I could back away, a nurse shoved it up against the

block wall, with my hand still holding the end of it. The wedding band assumed

a football shape around my finger, and really, really hurt.

But yeah, I agree... isn't the threat of degloving enough?

Rob

[Guest guest]

You may well be right Rob.

Sooner ort later the Borg will assimilate us all in some way.

I've heard the Borg was

Fire Departments

AMR

Rural metro

Private EMS

Aliens from New Mexico

etc

etc

etc

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/26/2010 2:08:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 13:46, _lnmolino@..._

(mailto:lnmolino@...) said:

> ...public safety folks (Yes, that DOES mean EMS).

Unfortunately. That's why EMS is still living in the 1970s. But the

revolution is coming, and the streets will flow with the blood of the

non-believers!

Rob

[Guest guest]

Yeah and I COULD get my traffic vest caught by a passing car or hungry condor

for that matter, or drop something on my steel toe boot bending it and severing

all of my piggies I'll take my chances with my wedding ring sure it happens but

really how often!?!?!?! (to medics and ff's i mean, construction workers I'm

sure is much higher)

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> ,

>

> Sometimes you can bang your finger on something in the ambulance and the ring

can bend, cutting off circulation to your finger.

>

> Other than that I can't think of much

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

>

> Re: Graduation gift ideas

>

>

>

>

>

> as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

>

> then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

> lnmolino@... writes:

>

> I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries in

> my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

> but

> still left an impression.

>

> As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> _LNMolino@... _ (mailto:LNMolino@...

> )

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> _rob.davis@... _

> (mailto:rob.davis@...

> )

> writes:

>

> On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, __lnmolino@...

> _

> (mailto:_lnmolino@... ) _

> (mailto:_lnmolino@... _

> (mailto:lnmolino@... ) ) said:

>

>> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock FF/PM

>> combination ring.

>

> If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

> personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

> site. The

> three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

>

> www.artcarved.com

> www.balfour.com

> www.jostens.com

>

> But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is a MUCH better argument Gene thanks. Don't forget cell phones while

calling pt reports (or texting ring degloving pics to your co-workers lol JK

THAT WAS TOTALLY A JOKE) but they pick up nasties too and they go right up to

your cheek and mouth!!

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> Yes. It gets contaminated, and unless you remove it to wash your hands and

wash it separately, it's unlikely to get clean. If you take it off to wash, then

you drop it down the sink drain, and then your wife beats you with a skillet

and, well, you know; BTW, this also happens with stethoscopes, watches,

neckties that some doctors wear (if you want to cringe, read the study on what

they found living on physicians' neckties), and in this day and age of MRSA,

it's just not a good idea to wear jewelry.

>

>

> Know how some folks who have clip on IDs love to stick ACLS pins, little

helicopters, PHTLS and all the other alphabet pins on them? Once we took some

samples of those and every single one of them were alive with bacteria.

>

>

> We owe it to both our patients and ourselves and our families not to spread

infections. Remember to disinfect your stethoscope after every call, use

covers, and leave the jewelry at home.

>

>

> GG

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Graduation gift ideas

>

> as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

>

> then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

> lnmolino@... ; writes:

>

> I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries in

> my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

> but

> still left an impression.

>

> As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> _LNMolino@... ; _ (mailto:LNMolino@...

> ; )

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> _rob.davis@... ; _

> (mailto:rob.davis@... ;

> )

> writes:

>

> On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, __lnmolino@...

> ; _

> (mailto:_lnmolino@... ; ) _

> (mailto:_lnmolino@... ; _

> (mailto:lnmolino@... ; ) ) said:

>

>> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock FF/PM

>> combination ring.

>

> If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

> personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

> site. The

> three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

>

> www.artcarved.com

> www.balfour.com

> www.jostens.com

>

> But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

>

> Rob

>

>

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Like I said I'll take my chances far more people are killed and injured by

pissed off spouses than rings lol besides I'm probably more likely to lose or

damage my ring than I am lose my finger because of it but that's just me. I'm

pretty sure (haven't read the policies in full in about a year and half) the

only ring my employers do not restrict is wedding bands

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> it happens often enough that this injury can listed as 'line of duty-NO'

> when the report is filed with the Worker's Comp commission, as many

> employers have policies *against* wearing rings on the job.

>

> violate the policy, get injured, and pay for your injury yourself- even

> your personal medical insurance may not cover it under the 'willful and wanton

> neglect' clause that is often hidden in the fine print.

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 5/26/2010 13:44:31 Central Daylight Time,

> aggiesrwe03@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Yeah and I COULD get my traffic vest caught by a passing car or hungry

> condor for that matter, or drop something on my steel toe boot bending it and

> severing all of my piggies I'll take my chances with my wedding ring sure it

> happens but really how often!?!?!?! (to medics and ff's i mean,

> construction workers I'm sure is much higher)

>

> -Chris

>

> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard

> on my iPhone

>

> On May 25, 2010, at 23:52, _js0095001@..._

> (mailto:js0095001@...) wrote:

>

>> ,

>>

>> Sometimes you can bang your finger on something in the ambulance and the

> ring can bend, cutting off circulation to your finger.

>>

>> Other than that I can't think of much

>> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

>>

>> Re: Graduation gift ideas

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

>>

>> then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

>>

>> ck

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

>> _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

> writes:

>>

>> I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries

> in

>> my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

>> but

>> still left an impression.

>>

>> As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

>>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>>

>> __LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...)

> _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._

(mailto:LNMolino@...)

>> )

>>

>> (Cell Phone)

>>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>>

>> In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

>> __rob.davis@..._ (mailto:_rob.davis@...)

> _

>> (mailto:_rob.davis@..._

> (mailto:rob.davis@...)

>> )

>> writes:

>>

>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, ___lnmolino@..._

> (mailto:__lnmolino@...)

>> _

>> (mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

> ) _

>> (mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

> _

>> (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

> ) ) said:

>>

>>> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock

> FF/PM

>>> combination ring.

>>

>> If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

>> personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

>> site. The

>> three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

>>

>> www.artcarved.com

>> www.balfour.com

>> www.jostens.com

>>

>> But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

>>

>> Rob

>>

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Yes they also have rules about steel toed boots too my point was that with so

many things that CAN go wrong it's too hard to look out for them all and I

choose to wear my ring rather than not put on my safety vest no biggie if I

lose my finger then that sucks but with what the original post was asking I

still think it would make a nice gift nothing says they have to wear it on shift

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> It only needs to happen to you ONCE.

>

> As for the vest thing it happens enough where there is now a PUBLIC SAFETY

> BREAK AWAY OPTION on the ANSI Approved vests which are to be used by public

> safety folks (Yes, that DOES mean EMS).

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>

> In a message dated 5/26/2010 1:44:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> aggiesrwe03@... writes:

>

> something on my steel

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 13:46, lnmolino@... said:

> ...public safety folks (Yes, that DOES mean EMS).

Unfortunately. That's why EMS is still living in the 1970s. But the revolution

is coming, and the streets will flow with the blood of the non-believers!

Rob

[Guest guest]

Would that be because of severed fingers bleeding all over the place!?!? Just

kidding!!!

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

On May 26, 2010, at 14:08, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 13:46, lnmolino@... said:

>

>> ...public safety folks (Yes, that DOES mean EMS).

>

> Unfortunately. That's why EMS is still living in the 1970s. But the

revolution is coming, and the streets will flow with the blood of the

non-believers!

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm thinking that the best " graduation gift " would be to matriculate this

thread to an off-list discussion. Just sayin'.

>

>

> You may well be right Rob.

>

> Sooner ort later the Borg will assimilate us all in some way.

>

> I've heard the Borg was

>

> Fire Departments

> AMR

> Rural metro

> Private EMS

> Aliens from New Mexico

> etc

> etc

> etc

>

>

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> In a message dated 5/26/2010 2:08:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@... writes:

>

> On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 13:46, _lnmolino@... <_lnmolino%40aol.com>_

>

> (mailto:lnmolino@... ) said:

>

> > ...public safety folks (Yes, that DOES mean EMS).

>

> Unfortunately. That's why EMS is still living in the 1970s. But the

> revolution is coming, and the streets will flow with the blood of the

> non-believers!

>

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 14:36, " Bob Kellow " kellow.bob@...> said:

> I'm thinking that the best " graduation gift " would be to matriculate this

> thread to an off-list discussion. Just sayin'.

Because discussion of the future of the profession is off-topic?

[Guest guest]

Please forgive me, I must have missed the " future of the profession " part.

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:44 PM, rob.davis@... <

rob.davis@...> wrote:

>

>

> On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 14:36, " Bob Kellow "

kellow.bob@...>

> said:

>

> > I'm thinking that the best " graduation gift " would be to matriculate this

> > thread to an off-list discussion. Just sayin'.

>

> Because discussion of the future of the profession is off-topic?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 14:57, " Bob Kellow " kellow.bob@...> said:

> Please forgive me, I must have missed the " future of the profession " part.

As has most everyone else. That's the problem.

[Guest guest]

100% correct, Chris. BTW, a paramedic friend is in the hospital this very

minute with a nasty MRSA infection on his arm that he got at work. This is

nothing to joke about.

While we're on the subject of infection control, I urge all to think through

their gloving procedures during the call and after. Remember that when you've

been working with a patient outside the truck and your gloves are contaminated,

if you leave them on and don't change, EVERYTHING in the truck you touch will

also become contaminated.

Things have changed a lot in the 30+ years I have been doing this. When I

started, the only pair of gloves on the truck was the pair in the OB kit. We

were actually PROUD of the amount of blood we had on ourselves when we got to

the hospital. How times change.

GG

Re: Graduation gift ideas

>

> as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

>

> then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

> lnmolino@... ;; writes:

>

> I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries in

> my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

> but

> still left an impression.

>

> As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>

> _LNMolino@... ;; _ (mailto:LNMolino@...

> ;; )

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

> In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> _rob.davis@... ;; _

> (mailto:rob.davis@... ;;

> )

> writes:

>

> On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, __lnmolino@...

> ;; _

> (mailto:_lnmolino@... ;; ) _

> (mailto:_lnmolino@... ;; _

> (mailto:lnmolino@... ;; ) ) said:

>

>> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock FF/PM

>> combination ring.

>

> If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

> personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

> site. The

> three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

>

> www.artcarved.com

> www.balfour.com

> www.jostens.com

>

> But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, if their aliens and they come to Arizona, they durn sure better have their

papers in order or we'll send them back.

G

Re: Rings (Was: Graduation gift ideas)

You may well be right Rob.

Sooner ort later the Borg will assimilate us all in some way.

I've heard the Borg was

Fire Departments

AMR

Rural metro

Private EMS

Aliens from New Mexico

etc

etc

etc

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 5/26/2010 2:08:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Wednesday, May 26, 2010 13:46, _lnmolino@..._

(mailto:lnmolino@...) said:

> ...public safety folks (Yes, that DOES mean EMS).

Unfortunately. That's why EMS is still living in the 1970s. But the

revolution is coming, and the streets will flow with the blood of the

non-believers!

Rob

[Guest guest]

Some points about employer restrictions, and others.

1. OSHA does not care WHAT your employer's rules are if OSHA determines that

its rules have been violated.

2. I have seen more than one case where an injury was declared to be non-work

related where employer rules were violated; thus, no worker's comp.

3. Employers can become suddenly hostile when faced with a worker's

comp/insurance claim. Amazing how their attitude toward a worker can change.

One can go from " loyal, valuable, and indispensable " to " get rid of him " in a

heartbeat. I have represented a few that happened to.

4. It's ultimately up to you to make decisions about your own well-being. You

can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink, or, as paraphrased by

Ogden Nash, I think it was, " You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her

think. " . However, the consequences of those decisions can be harsh

at times.

5. It's easier to shake hands with someone who has all his fingers.

GG

Re: Graduation gift ideas

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> as long as they are not worn on duty, a ring should be fine.

>>

>> then again, even wedding bands should not be worn on duty....

>>

>> ck

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 5/25/2010 17:02:55 Central Daylight Time,

>> _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

> ; writes:

>>

>> I'd never give a ring to a Firefighter I've seen 3 de-gloving injuries

> in

>> my life one of which was a firefighter. It was not as bad as it could be

>> but

>> still left an impression.

>>

>> As for opinions we all know what they resemble.

>>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

>> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

>> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

>>

>> __LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...)

> ; _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._

(mailto:LNMolino@...)

>> ; )

>>

>> (Cell Phone)

>>

>> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>>

>> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

>> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

>

>>

>> In a message dated 5/25/2010 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

>> __rob.davis@..._ (mailto:_rob.davis@...)

> ; _

>> (mailto:_rob.davis@..._

> (mailto:rob.davis@...)

;

>> )

>> writes:

>>

>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2010 15:41, ___lnmolino@..._

> (mailto:__lnmolino@...)

>> ; _

>> (mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

> ; ) _

>> (mailto:__lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...)

> ; _

>> (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

> ; ) ) said:

>>

>>> Other than the ones that were posted here I have never seen a stock

> FF/PM

>>> combination ring.

>>

>> If a ring is what you want to do, I'd much rather go with a custom

>> personalised job anyhow, rather than some generic thing from a whacker

>> site. The

>> three big boys from the custom class ring world are:

>>

>> www.artcarved.com

>> www.balfour.com

>> www.jostens.com

>>

>> But yeah, I still agree with the career counselling recommendation.

>>

>> Rob

>>

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