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I can give some feedback about this area, as having personally worked in that

area before. The problem is that amount of money the city and counties in that

area are willing to pay to have emergency care. They offer no or little money

for subsidy. The services have to regular transfers out of town to Houston,

Galveston, Lufkin, etc. This causes a loss of area units for a long length of

time. It is the fault of the area because of the way they choose to do business.

It is one of the craziest business set ups I have ever seen. I hope that Acadian

will be able to provide better care to the public, due to the poor decisions of

local government and politics.

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I hate media reports. Aside from the mainstream media bias against guns

and the media-manufactured myth of U.S guns flooding into Mexico, they

always leave out important facts.

#1. How was the AR15 illegal? The article doesn't say. Was it converted

to full auto? Was the undercover agent trying to sell a full auto AR15

without a Class III permit? If so, that smells of entrapment.

#2. I'd wager that over half of the members of this list have bought

guns from private sellers. Do you check the history of the weapon you

buy in a private sale? Second, how the hell does a gun involved in a

crime wind up back in the marketplace? Shouldn't it be in an evidence

locker somewhere? How the hell do you " trace a gun to a drug cartel

shootout in Guatemala? " Ballistics? If so, why the hell don't the

Guatemalen authorities, DEA, or ATF have the gun, and not Patlan?

This guy may be the world's most notorious gun runner, I don't know. He

could also be an innocent guy who bought a few guns from the wrong people.

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As someone who currently works in this particular area, I would like

to say that yes, our area has its issues. But no, they do not remain

the same throughout time. I don't know how long ago you worked in San

, nor with whom you worked, but every business and every area

has its issues.

Yes, companies send trucks to Houston and Dallas/Fort Worth. I'm not

sure which company in particular you're talking of sending trucks out

of area, but mainly I've known private ambulances to do so - not the

city, as your message seems to imply. Specifically, I've known

Acadian, whom you seem to be advocating, to send trucks to Houston,

DFW, Austin, etc (sometimes even sending trucks to Austin an hour

before a shift is supposed to end). This is not to say that Acadian is

a bad company; that's just how those particular shifts played out. I'm

not questioning those decisions. I'm just noting that they were made.

And I would ask that you please be careful with what you say on a

public forum about an area, regardless of whether you work or have

worked with them. Particularly, with this debate. There are many

people who are very passionate about the prospect of Acadian taking

over the city's EMS. And, from what I've heard, the head of operations

in the area has officially said that they are not trying to take over

the EMS, and have no plans to do so.

If there are people who are better informed, I invite them to correct

me, as I'm sure what I've said is imperfect.

And, of course, this email in no way reflects the opinions of anyone

whom I have worked for, anyone whom I presently work for, nor anyone

whom I will work for in the future. This email does not represent the

opinion of Acadian Ambulance Company, nor is meant to be speaking for

them, nor San Fire Department, nor any other company who may

have been in any way associated with anything said herein.

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> I can give some feedback about this area, as having personally

> worked in that area before. The problem is that amount of money the

> city and counties in that area are willing to pay to have emergency

> care. They offer no or little money for subsidy. The services have

> to regular transfers out of town to Houston, Galveston, Lufkin, etc.

> This causes a loss of area units for a long length of time. It is

> the fault of the area because of the way they choose to do business.

> It is one of the craziest business set ups I have ever seen. I hope

> that Acadian will be able to provide better care to the public, due

> to the poor decisions of local government and politics.

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> > Ron

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And what has this to do with the SUBJECT LINE?????

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> As someone who currently works in this particular area, I would like

> to say that yes, our area has its issues. But no, they do not remain

> the same throughout time. I don't know how long ago you worked in San

> , nor with whom you worked, but every business and every area

> has its issues.

>

> Yes, companies send trucks to Houston and Dallas/Fort Worth. I'm not

> sure which company in particular you're talking of sending trucks out

> of area, but mainly I've known private ambulances to do so - not the

> city, as your message seems to imply. Specifically, I've known

> Acadian, whom you seem to be advocating, to send trucks to Houston,

> DFW, Austin, etc (sometimes even sending trucks to Austin an hour

> before a shift is supposed to end). This is not to say that Acadian is

> a bad company; that's just how those particular shifts played out. I'm

> not questioning those decisions. I'm just noting that they were made.

>

> And I would ask that you please be careful with what you say on a

> public forum about an area, regardless of whether you work or have

> worked with them. Particularly, with this debate. There are many

> people who are very passionate about the prospect of Acadian taking

> over the city's EMS. And, from what I've heard, the head of operations

> in the area has officially said that they are not trying to take over

> the EMS, and have no plans to do so.

>

> If there are people who are better informed, I invite them to correct

> me, as I'm sure what I've said is imperfect.

>

> And, of course, this email in no way reflects the opinions of anyone

> whom I have worked for, anyone whom I presently work for, nor anyone

> whom I will work for in the future. This email does not represent the

> opinion of Acadian Ambulance Company, nor is meant to be speaking for

> them, nor San Fire Department, nor any other company who may

> have been in any way associated with anything said herein.

>

> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

>

>

>

> > I can give some feedback about this area, as having personally

> > worked in that area before. The problem is that amount of money the

> > city and counties in that area are willing to pay to have emergency

> > care. They offer no or little money for subsidy. The services have

> > to regular transfers out of town to Houston, Galveston, Lufkin, etc.

> > This causes a loss of area units for a long length of time. It is

> > the fault of the area because of the way they choose to do business.

> > It is one of the craziest business set ups I have ever seen. I hope

> > that Acadian will be able to provide better care to the public, due

> > to the poor decisions of local government and politics.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Ron

> > >

> > >

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Thoughts from a former federal prosecutor:

1. The defense of entrapment rarely if ever works. True entrapment occurs when

the idea for the crime arises with someone other than the defendant and the

defendant is talked into doing it. Simply providing an opportunity for somebody

to break the law is not entrapment.

Examples: 1. " If you'll buy this AR15 which is illegal from us, you can sell

it to a Mexican or Guatemalan gang. " " But I don't know anybody in a Mexican or

Guatemalan gang, and I don't know anything about guns, and I don't want to buy

one. " " Don't worry, all you have to do is fork over the money and we'll do the

rest. You can make lots of money with this. " Entrapment.

2. " Anybody know where I can get a fully automatic AR15? " " Not right off the

top of my head but I'll see what I can do. " (Phone call to ATF-- " I've got some

bozo who wants a fully automatic AR15 without serial numbers or a license. "

ATF: We'll get an UC agent over there tomorrow. Can you fix us up with the

guy? " ) Not entrapment.

How does a weapon used in a crime wind up in the private market place? Mystery.

Should not happen. How did we know it was used in some shootout in Guatemala?

Simple. We've got agents all over the place in foreign countries working with

the feds there. Maybe the SN was still on it. How did it get out of the ATF?

Simple. They gave it to the UC to sell to the kid.

This guy sounds like a doofus who got caught up in something that was over his

head.

Re: guns headed for Mexico. Here's the scenario. Drug runner leaps the fence

(we build a 12 foot fence, they buy a 14 foot ladder) or put-puts over the

border in an ultralite with the dope, converts it to cash, converts the cash to

guns, then hops back across the border. Happens. Hell, there are places where

they need traffic cops to control the two-way traffic back and forth. It's hard

to buy guns legitimately in Mexico; hence the lure of gun-running into the

country.

De Guatemala a Guatepeor!

GG

Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying sting

I hate media reports. Aside from the mainstream media bias against guns

and the media-manufactured myth of U.S guns flooding into Mexico, they

always leave out important facts.

#1. How was the AR15 illegal? The article doesn't say. Was it converted

to full auto? Was the undercover agent trying to sell a full auto AR15

without a Class III permit? If so, that smells of entrapment.

#2. I'd wager that over half of the members of this list have bought

guns from private sellers. Do you check the history of the weapon you

buy in a private sale? Second, how the hell does a gun involved in a

crime wind up back in the marketplace? Shouldn't it be in an evidence

locker somewhere? How the hell do you " trace a gun to a drug cartel

shootout in Guatemala? " Ballistics? If so, why the hell don't the

Guatemalen authorities, DEA, or ATF have the gun, and not Patlan?

This guy may be the world's most notorious gun runner, I don't know. He

could also be an innocent guy who bought a few guns from the wrong people.

Ron Haussecker wrote:

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Maybe I'm reading something wrong in the story, but it seems to me that... he

didn't buy guns after they were used in a shootout... he bought guns and they

were LATER used in a shootout, hence the illegal, bad part.  And just maybe it

was the AR15s destiny to end up in a similar bad place.

 

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That's my understanding also. He bought the gun, then it somehow surfaced

outside the country. There's bound to be more to the story than the paper

reported. If this guy had a clean record, he sure got hit with a heavy sentence

for a first time offender. OTOH, maybe he has a deal to cooperate and could be

resentenced later. Quien sabe?

G

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Maybe I'm reading something wrong in the story, but it seems to me that... he

didn't buy guns after they were used in a shootout... he bought guns and they

were LATER used in a shootout, hence the illegal, bad part. And just maybe it

was the AR15s destiny to end up in a similar bad place.

>

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On Tuesday, May 18, 2010 06:20, " houtxmedic " CodyRice1@...> said:

> I can give some feedback about this area, as having personally worked in that

area

> before. The problem is that amount of money the city and counties in that area

are

> willing to pay to have emergency care. They offer no or little money for

subsidy.

> The services have to regular transfers out of town to Houston, Galveston,

Lufkin,

> etc. This causes a loss of area units for a long length of time. It is the

fault

> of the area because of the way they choose to do business. It is one of the

> craziest business set ups I have ever seen. I hope that Acadian will be able

to

> provide better care to the public, due to the poor decisions of local

government

> and politics.

So... you're saying this leads to illegal gun running to the drug cartels?

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you perhaps are referring to the late Ernesto " Che " Guevara, MD?

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara)

In a message dated 5/19/2010 09:09:19 Central Daylight Time,

mhudson@... writes:

Chez - racist, mass murderer, best buddy of Castro, thug, and hero

of Hollywood stars, Time Magazine and the New York Times perfected

gun-running as an art. Been going on for a long-long time....

-MH

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wegandy@... [wegandy@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:14 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying sting

Thoughts from a former federal prosecutor:

1. The defense of entrapment rarely if ever works. True entrapment occurs

when the idea for the crime arises with someone other than the defendant

and the defendant is talked into doing it. Simply providing an opportunity

for somebody to break the law is not entrapment.

Examples: 1. " If you'll buy this AR15 which is illegal from us, you can

sell it to a Mexican or Guatemalan gang. " " But I don't know anybody in a

Mexican or Guatemalan gang, and I don't know anything about guns, and I don't

want to buy one. " " Don't worry, all you have to do is fork over the money

and we'll do the rest. You can make lots of money with this. " Entrapment.

2. " Anybody know where I can get a fully automatic AR15? " " Not right off

the top of my head but I'll see what I can do. " (Phone call to ATF-- " I've

got some bozo who wants a fully automatic AR15 without serial numbers or a

license. " ATF: We'll get an UC agent over there tomorrow. Can you fix us up

with the guy? " ) Not entrapment.

How does a weapon used in a crime wind up in the private market place?

Mystery. Should not happen. How did we know it was used in some shootout in

Guatemala? Simple. We've got agents all over the place in foreign countries

working with the feds there. Maybe the SN was still on it. How did it get

out of the ATF? Simple. They gave it to the UC to sell to the kid.

This guy sounds like a doofus who got caught up in something that was over

his head.

Re: guns headed for Mexico. Here's the scenario. Drug runner leaps the

fence (we build a 12 foot fence, they buy a 14 foot ladder) or put-puts over

the border in an ultralite with the dope, converts it to cash, converts the

cash to guns, then hops back across the border. Happens. Hell, there are

places where they need traffic cops to control the two-way traffic back and

forth. It's hard to buy guns legitimately in Mexico; hence the lure of

gun-running into the country.

De Guatemala a Guatepeor!

GG

Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying sting

I hate media reports. Aside from the mainstream media bias against guns

and the media-manufactured myth of U.S guns flooding into Mexico, they

always leave out important facts.

#1. How was the AR15 illegal? The article doesn't say. Was it converted

to full auto? Was the undercover agent trying to sell a full auto AR15

without a Class III permit? If so, that smells of entrapment.

#2. I'd wager that over half of the members of this list have bought

guns from private sellers. Do you check the history of the weapon you

buy in a private sale? Second, how the hell does a gun involved in a

crime wind up back in the marketplace? Shouldn't it be in an evidence

locker somewhere? How the hell do you " trace a gun to a drug cartel

shootout in Guatemala? " Ballistics? If so, why the hell don't the

Guatemalen authorities, DEA, or ATF have the gun, and not Patlan?

This guy may be the world's most notorious gun runner, I don't know. He

could also be an innocent guy who bought a few guns from the wrong people.

Ron Haussecker wrote:

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Chez - racist, mass murderer, best buddy of Castro, thug, and hero of

Hollywood stars, Time Magazine and the New York Times perfected gun-running as

an art. Been going on for a long-long time....

-MH

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From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

wegandy@... [wegandy@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:14 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying sting

Thoughts from a former federal prosecutor:

1. The defense of entrapment rarely if ever works. True entrapment occurs when

the idea for the crime arises with someone other than the defendant and the

defendant is talked into doing it. Simply providing an opportunity for somebody

to break the law is not entrapment.

Examples: 1. " If you'll buy this AR15 which is illegal from us, you can sell it

to a Mexican or Guatemalan gang. " " But I don't know anybody in a Mexican or

Guatemalan gang, and I don't know anything about guns, and I don't want to buy

one. " " Don't worry, all you have to do is fork over the money and we'll do the

rest. You can make lots of money with this. " Entrapment.

2. " Anybody know where I can get a fully automatic AR15? " " Not right off the top

of my head but I'll see what I can do. " (Phone call to ATF-- " I've got some bozo

who wants a fully automatic AR15 without serial numbers or a license. " ATF:

We'll get an UC agent over there tomorrow. Can you fix us up with the guy? " ) Not

entrapment.

How does a weapon used in a crime wind up in the private market place? Mystery.

Should not happen. How did we know it was used in some shootout in Guatemala?

Simple. We've got agents all over the place in foreign countries working with

the feds there. Maybe the SN was still on it. How did it get out of the ATF?

Simple. They gave it to the UC to sell to the kid.

This guy sounds like a doofus who got caught up in something that was over his

head.

Re: guns headed for Mexico. Here's the scenario. Drug runner leaps the fence (we

build a 12 foot fence, they buy a 14 foot ladder) or put-puts over the border in

an ultralite with the dope, converts it to cash, converts the cash to guns, then

hops back across the border. Happens. Hell, there are places where they need

traffic cops to control the two-way traffic back and forth. It's hard to buy

guns legitimately in Mexico; hence the lure of gun-running into the country.

De Guatemala a Guatepeor!

GG

Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying sting

I hate media reports. Aside from the mainstream media bias against guns

and the media-manufactured myth of U.S guns flooding into Mexico, they

always leave out important facts.

#1. How was the AR15 illegal? The article doesn't say. Was it converted

to full auto? Was the undercover agent trying to sell a full auto AR15

without a Class III permit? If so, that smells of entrapment.

#2. I'd wager that over half of the members of this list have bought

guns from private sellers. Do you check the history of the weapon you

buy in a private sale? Second, how the hell does a gun involved in a

crime wind up back in the marketplace? Shouldn't it be in an evidence

locker somewhere? How the hell do you " trace a gun to a drug cartel

shootout in Guatemala? " Ballistics? If so, why the hell don't the

Guatemalen authorities, DEA, or ATF have the gun, and not Patlan?

This guy may be the world's most notorious gun runner, I don't know. He

could also be an innocent guy who bought a few guns from the wrong people.

Ron Haussecker wrote:

>

> Ron

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Yep...darn spell check!!

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you perhaps are referring to the late Ernesto " Che " Guevara, MD?

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara)

In a message dated 5/19/2010 09:09:19 Central Daylight Time,

mhudson@... writes:

Chez - racist, mass murderer, best buddy of Castro, thug, and hero

of Hollywood stars, Time Magazine and the New York Times perfected

gun-running as an art. Been going on for a long-long time....

-MH

________________________________

From: texasems-l

[texasems-l ] On Behalf Of

wegandy@...

[wegandy@...]

Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:14 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying sting

Thoughts from a former federal prosecutor:

1. The defense of entrapment rarely if ever works. True entrapment occurs

when the idea for the crime arises with someone other than the defendant

and the defendant is talked into doing it. Simply providing an opportunity

for somebody to break the law is not entrapment.

Examples: 1. " If you'll buy this AR15 which is illegal from us, you can

sell it to a Mexican or Guatemalan gang. " " But I don't know anybody in a

Mexican or Guatemalan gang, and I don't know anything about guns, and I don't

want to buy one. " " Don't worry, all you have to do is fork over the money

and we'll do the rest. You can make lots of money with this. " Entrapment.

2. " Anybody know where I can get a fully automatic AR15? " " Not right off

the top of my head but I'll see what I can do. " (Phone call to ATF-- " I've

got some bozo who wants a fully automatic AR15 without serial numbers or a

license. " ATF: We'll get an UC agent over there tomorrow. Can you fix us up

with the guy? " ) Not entrapment.

How does a weapon used in a crime wind up in the private market place?

Mystery. Should not happen. How did we know it was used in some shootout in

Guatemala? Simple. We've got agents all over the place in foreign countries

working with the feds there. Maybe the SN was still on it. How did it get

out of the ATF? Simple. They gave it to the UC to sell to the kid.

This guy sounds like a doofus who got caught up in something that was over

his head.

Re: guns headed for Mexico. Here's the scenario. Drug runner leaps the

fence (we build a 12 foot fence, they buy a 14 foot ladder) or put-puts over

the border in an ultralite with the dope, converts it to cash, converts the

cash to guns, then hops back across the border. Happens. Hell, there are

places where they need traffic cops to control the two-way traffic back and

forth. It's hard to buy guns legitimately in Mexico; hence the lure of

gun-running into the country.

De Guatemala a Guatepeor!

GG

Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying sting

I hate media reports. Aside from the mainstream media bias against guns

and the media-manufactured myth of U.S guns flooding into Mexico, they

always leave out important facts.

#1. How was the AR15 illegal? The article doesn't say. Was it converted

to full auto? Was the undercover agent trying to sell a full auto AR15

without a Class III permit? If so, that smells of entrapment.

#2. I'd wager that over half of the members of this list have bought

guns from private sellers. Do you check the history of the weapon you

buy in a private sale? Second, how the hell does a gun involved in a

crime wind up back in the marketplace? Shouldn't it be in an evidence

locker somewhere? How the hell do you " trace a gun to a drug cartel

shootout in Guatemala? " Ballistics? If so, why the hell don't the

Guatemalen authorities, DEA, or ATF have the gun, and not Patlan?

This guy may be the world's most notorious gun runner, I don't know. He

could also be an innocent guy who bought a few guns from the wrong people.

Ron Haussecker wrote:

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But was he a Medic or a Basic!!!

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> Chez - racist, mass murderer, best buddy of Castro, thug, and

> hero of Hollywood stars, Time Magazine and the New York Times

> perfected gun-running as an art. Been going on for a long-long

> time....

>

> -MH

> ________________________________

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> Behalf Of wegandy@... [wegandy@...]

> Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:14 PM

> To: texasems-l

> Subject: Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying

> sting

>

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> Thoughts from a former federal prosecutor:

>

> 1. The defense of entrapment rarely if ever works. True entrapment

> occurs when the idea for the crime arises with someone other than

> the defendant and the defendant is talked into doing it. Simply

> providing an opportunity for somebody to break the law is not

> entrapment.

>

> Examples: 1. " If you'll buy this AR15 which is illegal from us, you

> can sell it to a Mexican or Guatemalan gang. " " But I don't know

> anybody in a Mexican or Guatemalan gang, and I don't know anything

> about guns, and I don't want to buy one. " " Don't worry, all you have

> to do is fork over the money and we'll do the rest. You can make

> lots of money with this. " Entrapment.

>

> 2. " Anybody know where I can get a fully automatic AR15? " " Not right

> off the top of my head but I'll see what I can do. " (Phone call to

> ATF-- " I've got some bozo who wants a fully automatic AR15 without

> serial numbers or a license. " ATF: We'll get an UC agent over there

> tomorrow. Can you fix us up with the guy? " ) Not entrapment.

>

> How does a weapon used in a crime wind up in the private market

> place? Mystery. Should not happen. How did we know it was used in

> some shootout in Guatemala? Simple. We've got agents all over the

> place in foreign countries working with the feds there. Maybe the SN

> was still on it. How did it get out of the ATF? Simple. They gave it

> to the UC to sell to the kid.

>

> This guy sounds like a doofus who got caught up in something that

> was over his head.

>

> Re: guns headed for Mexico. Here's the scenario. Drug runner leaps

> the fence (we build a 12 foot fence, they buy a 14 foot ladder) or

> put-puts over the border in an ultralite with the dope, converts it

> to cash, converts the cash to guns, then hops back across the

> border. Happens. Hell, there are places where they need traffic cops

> to control the two-way traffic back and forth. It's hard to buy guns

> legitimately in Mexico; hence the lure of gun-running into the

> country.

>

> De Guatemala a Guatepeor!

>

> GG

>

> Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying

> sting

>

> I hate media reports. Aside from the mainstream media bias against

> guns

> and the media-manufactured myth of U.S guns flooding into Mexico, they

> always leave out important facts.

>

> #1. How was the AR15 illegal? The article doesn't say. Was it

> converted

> to full auto? Was the undercover agent trying to sell a full auto AR15

> without a Class III permit? If so, that smells of entrapment.

>

> #2. I'd wager that over half of the members of this list have bought

> guns from private sellers. Do you check the history of the weapon you

> buy in a private sale? Second, how the hell does a gun involved in a

> crime wind up back in the marketplace? Shouldn't it be in an evidence

> locker somewhere? How the hell do you " trace a gun to a drug cartel

> shootout in Guatemala? " Ballistics? If so, why the hell don't the

> Guatemalen authorities, DEA, or ATF have the gun, and not

> Patlan?

>

> This guy may be the world's most notorious gun runner, I don't know.

> He

> could also be an innocent guy who bought a few guns from the wrong

> people.

>

> Ron Haussecker wrote:

>>

>> Ron

>>

>>

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/paramedic_gets_five_years_in_weapon-\

buying_sting_93823419.html

>

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I think he either worked for a private service or a fire department....

Let the games begin!

Wes

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> But was he a Medic or a Basic!!!

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> On May 19, 2010, at 9:01, Hudson mhudson@...>

> wrote:

>

> > Chez - racist, mass murderer, best buddy of Castro, thug, and

> > hero of Hollywood stars, Time Magazine and the New York Times

> > perfected gun-running as an art. Been going on for a long-long

> > time....

> >

> > -MH

> > ________________________________

> > From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On

> > Behalf Of wegandy@... [wegandy@...]

> > Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:14 PM

> > To: texasems-l

> > Subject: Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying

> > sting

> >

> >

> >

> > Thoughts from a former federal prosecutor:

> >

> > 1. The defense of entrapment rarely if ever works. True entrapment

> > occurs when the idea for the crime arises with someone other than

> > the defendant and the defendant is talked into doing it. Simply

> > providing an opportunity for somebody to break the law is not

> > entrapment.

> >

> > Examples: 1. " If you'll buy this AR15 which is illegal from us, you

> > can sell it to a Mexican or Guatemalan gang. " " But I don't know

> > anybody in a Mexican or Guatemalan gang, and I don't know anything

> > about guns, and I don't want to buy one. " " Don't worry, all you have

> > to do is fork over the money and we'll do the rest. You can make

> > lots of money with this. " Entrapment.

> >

> > 2. " Anybody know where I can get a fully automatic AR15? " " Not right

> > off the top of my head but I'll see what I can do. " (Phone call to

> > ATF-- " I've got some bozo who wants a fully automatic AR15 without

> > serial numbers or a license. " ATF: We'll get an UC agent over there

> > tomorrow. Can you fix us up with the guy? " ) Not entrapment.

> >

> > How does a weapon used in a crime wind up in the private market

> > place? Mystery. Should not happen. How did we know it was used in

> > some shootout in Guatemala? Simple. We've got agents all over the

> > place in foreign countries working with the feds there. Maybe the SN

> > was still on it. How did it get out of the ATF? Simple. They gave it

> > to the UC to sell to the kid.

> >

> > This guy sounds like a doofus who got caught up in something that

> > was over his head.

> >

> > Re: guns headed for Mexico. Here's the scenario. Drug runner leaps

> > the fence (we build a 12 foot fence, they buy a 14 foot ladder) or

> > put-puts over the border in an ultralite with the dope, converts it

> > to cash, converts the cash to guns, then hops back across the

> > border. Happens. Hell, there are places where they need traffic cops

> > to control the two-way traffic back and forth. It's hard to buy guns

> > legitimately in Mexico; hence the lure of gun-running into the

> > country.

> >

> > De Guatemala a Guatepeor!

> >

> > GG

> >

> > Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying

> > sting

> >

> > I hate media reports. Aside from the mainstream media bias against

> > guns

> > and the media-manufactured myth of U.S guns flooding into Mexico, they

> > always leave out important facts.

> >

> > #1. How was the AR15 illegal? The article doesn't say. Was it

> > converted

> > to full auto? Was the undercover agent trying to sell a full auto AR15

> > without a Class III permit? If so, that smells of entrapment.

> >

> > #2. I'd wager that over half of the members of this list have bought

> > guns from private sellers. Do you check the history of the weapon you

> > buy in a private sale? Second, how the hell does a gun involved in a

> > crime wind up back in the marketplace? Shouldn't it be in an evidence

> > locker somewhere? How the hell do you " trace a gun to a drug cartel

> > shootout in Guatemala? " Ballistics? If so, why the hell don't the

> > Guatemalen authorities, DEA, or ATF have the gun, and not

> > Patlan?

> >

> > This guy may be the world's most notorious gun runner, I don't know.

> > He

> > could also be an innocent guy who bought a few guns from the wrong

> > people.

> >

> > Ron Haussecker wrote:

> >>

> >> Ron

> >>

> >>

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/paramedic_gets_five_years_in_weapon-\

buying_sting_93823419.html

> >

> >>

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On Wednesday, May 19, 2010 10:50, " Wes Ogilvie " ExLngHrn@...> said:

> I think he either worked for a private service or a fire department....

Well I think they ought to do the same thing to the Medicare fraudsters that was

done to Che!

Rob

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That attached to the wrong post. That was speaking about transition problems

they are having in Jasper, Texas. I did not mean for that to be under San

. I did not speak of anything of San .

> > >

> > > Ron

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Chez 's a little French restaurant over on the east side. Features

seafood items from the desert and American fries.

G

Re: Paramedic gets five years in weapon-buying

> sting

>

> I hate media reports. Aside from the mainstream media bias against

> guns

> and the media-manufactured myth of U.S guns flooding into Mexico, they

> always leave out important facts.

>

> #1. How was the AR15 illegal? The article doesn't say. Was it

> converted

> to full auto? Was the undercover agent trying to sell a full auto AR15

> without a Class III permit? If so, that smells of entrapment.

>

> #2. I'd wager that over half of the members of this list have bought

> guns from private sellers. Do you check the history of the weapon you

> buy in a private sale? Second, how the hell does a gun involved in a

> crime wind up back in the marketplace? Shouldn't it be in an evidence

> locker somewhere? How the hell do you " trace a gun to a drug cartel

> shootout in Guatemala? " Ballistics? If so, why the hell don't the

> Guatemalen authorities, DEA, or ATF have the gun, and not

> Patlan?

>

> This guy may be the world's most notorious gun runner, I don't know.

> He

> could also be an innocent guy who bought a few guns from the wrong

> people.

>

> Ron Haussecker wrote:

>>

>> Ron

>>

>>

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/paramedic_gets_five_years_in_weapon-\

buying_sting_93823419.html

>

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On Wednesday, May 19, 2010 22:56, wegandy@... said:

> Chez 's a little French restaurant over on the east side. Features

seafood

> items from the desert and American fries.

You sure Chez isn't Geraldo's little brother on Fox News?

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