Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? - Abilene News S...

[Guest guest]

, you are 100% correct. Loss of Dyess would nail the lid on the coffin

for Abilene.

Abilene is an awkward city in size and location. Its economy is based on the

military

and the colleges and little else. It's an old town with old ways and old

thinking.

Fire EMS may be the only practical way to provide the service if privates cannot

make

it economically. But will things improve? I wouldn't bet the ranch on it.

GG

Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? -

Abilene News S...

> >

> > To: texasems-l

> >

> > Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 6:50 AM

> >

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 1/26/2011 1:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> >

> > haussecker87@... writes:

> >

> > http://www.ktxs.com/news/26615061/detail.html

> >

> > Stupid People, it's gonna pay for itself...Hope all are well...FE

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Gene when you say ... " wanted this for years and slowly the wheels have been set

in motion. "

Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

Service " ?

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

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Lou@...

> I think that's what it will come down to. This has been in the works for a

long time. Response times have been an issue for a very long time. Many in the

fire service have wanted this for years and slowly the wheels have been set in

motion.

>

>

> GG

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? -

Abilene News S...

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 6:50 AM

>

> In a message dated 1/26/2011 1:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> haussecker87@... writes:

>

> http://www.ktxs.com/news/26615061/detail.html

>

> Stupid People, it's gonna pay for itself...Hope all are well...FE

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gene when you say ... " wanted this for years and slowly the wheels have been set

in motion. "

Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

Service " ?

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

> I think that's what it will come down to. This has been in the works for a

long time. Response times have been an issue for a very long time. Many in the

fire service have wanted this for years and slowly the wheels have been set in

motion.

>

>

> GG

>

>

>

>

>

> Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? -

Abilene News S...

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 6:50 AM

>

> In a message dated 1/26/2011 1:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> haussecker87@... writes:

>

> http://www.ktxs.com/news/26615061/detail.html

>

> Stupid People, it's gonna pay for itself...Hope all are well...FE

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Friday, January 28, 2011 01:01, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

> Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

> Service " ?

The fire service is left wing. That's why I refused to join the IAFF. When you

lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Rob you are very much wring on that. The IAFF does not represent the vast

majority of Firefighters and even when you look at most IAFF members the leaning

is well right.

The IAFF as a union is as left as one can get but again they don't represent bit

speak for the bulk of the Fire Service.

Sadly, I can see why most outside of the Fire Service think otherwise.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:16, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Friday, January 28, 2011 01:01, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

>> Service " ?

>

> The fire service is left wing. That's why I refused to join the IAFF. When

you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rob you are very much wring on that. The IAFF does not represent the vast

majority of Firefighters and even when you look at most IAFF members the leaning

is well right.

The IAFF as a union is as left as one can get but again they don't represent bit

speak for the bulk of the Fire Service.

Sadly, I can see why most outside of the Fire Service think otherwise.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:16, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Friday, January 28, 2011 01:01, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

>> Service " ?

>

> The fire service is left wing. That's why I refused to join the IAFF. When

you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Wayne, I'm sure AFD would do an outstanding job. I have worked with

several of AFD's folks through out the years. My response was to the quotes

from the citizens committee in regards to the service paying for itself.

Don't see that happening...

See ya,

F. E. Shaheen, Director

Levelland EMS

809 11th St.

Levelland, TX 79336

Cell

Ofc

“The fate of the wounded lays with those who apply the first dressing.†—

Col. Senn, 1844-1908. 49th President, American Medical

Association-1897

[Guest guest]

Hey Wayne, I'm sure AFD would do an outstanding job. I have worked with

several of AFD's folks through out the years. My response was to the quotes

from the citizens committee in regards to the service paying for itself.

Don't see that happening...

See ya,

F. E. Shaheen, Director

Levelland EMS

809 11th St.

Levelland, TX 79336

Cell

Ofc

“The fate of the wounded lays with those who apply the first dressing.†—

Col. Senn, 1844-1908. 49th President, American Medical

Association-1897

[Guest guest]

The FDNY union endorsed GWB when the IAFF leadership endorsed Kerry and Obama.

That definitely shows a disconnect. �The ignorance of one voter in a

democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963

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News S...

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 02:19:43 -0600

Rob you are very much wring on that. The IAFF does not represent the vast

majority of Firefighters and even when you look at most IAFF members the leaning

is well right.

The IAFF as a union is as left as one can get but again they don't represent bit

speak for the bulk of the Fire Service.

Sadly, I can see why most outside of the Fire Service think otherwise.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:16, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Friday, January 28, 2011 01:01, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

>> Service " ?

>

> The fire service is left wing. That's why I refused to join the IAFF. When

you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

The FDNY union endorsed GWB when the IAFF leadership endorsed Kerry and Obama.

That definitely shows a disconnect. �The ignorance of one voter in a

democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963

----- Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? - Abilene

News S...

Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 02:19:43 -0600

Rob you are very much wring on that. The IAFF does not represent the vast

majority of Firefighters and even when you look at most IAFF members the leaning

is well right.

The IAFF as a union is as left as one can get but again they don't represent bit

speak for the bulk of the Fire Service.

Sadly, I can see why most outside of the Fire Service think otherwise.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:16, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Friday, January 28, 2011 01:01, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

>> Service " ?

>

> The fire service is left wing. That's why I refused to join the IAFF. When

you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

>

> Rob

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's true but the IAFF International was the first and largest AFL-CIO

affiliate to endorse Kerry in 2000.

Many locals back local Candidates based on local issues. What a concept.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

> The FDNY union endorsed GWB when the IAFF leadership endorsed Kerry and Obama.

That definitely shows a disconnect. �The ignorance of one voter in a

democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963

>

> ----- Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? -

Abilene News S...

> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 02:19:43 -0600

>

> Rob you are very much wring on that. The IAFF does not represent the vast

majority of Firefighters and even when you look at most IAFF members the leaning

is well right.

>

> The IAFF as a union is as left as one can get but again they don't represent

bit speak for the bulk of the Fire Service.

>

> Sadly, I can see why most outside of the Fire Service think otherwise.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

> Training Program Manager

> Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

> Please excuse any typos.

> (Cell)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> LNMolino@...

> Lou@...

>

> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:16, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

>

>> On Friday, January 28, 2011 01:01, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>>

>>> Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

>>> Service " ?

>>

>> The fire service is left wing. That's why I refused to join the IAFF. When

you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

>>

>> Rob

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

That's true but the IAFF International was the first and largest AFL-CIO

affiliate to endorse Kerry in 2000.

Many locals back local Candidates based on local issues. What a concept.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

> The FDNY union endorsed GWB when the IAFF leadership endorsed Kerry and Obama.

That definitely shows a disconnect. �The ignorance of one voter in a

democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963

>

> ----- Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? -

Abilene News S...

> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 02:19:43 -0600

>

> Rob you are very much wring on that. The IAFF does not represent the vast

majority of Firefighters and even when you look at most IAFF members the leaning

is well right.

>

> The IAFF as a union is as left as one can get but again they don't represent

bit speak for the bulk of the Fire Service.

>

> Sadly, I can see why most outside of the Fire Service think otherwise.

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

> Training Program Manager

> Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

> Please excuse any typos.

> (Cell)

> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

>

> LNMolino@...

> Lou@...

>

> On Jan 28, 2011, at 1:16, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

>

>> On Friday, January 28, 2011 01:01, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>>

>>> Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

>>> Service " ?

>>

>> The fire service is left wing. That's why I refused to join the IAFF. When

you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.

>>

>> Rob

>>

>>

>>

>> ------------------------------------

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I meant that specifically for Abilene. It is well known that AFD has been

getting ready for this for several years with paramedic classes and so forth.

GG

Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? -

Abilene News S...

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 6:50 AM

>

> In a message dated 1/26/2011 1:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> haussecker87@... writes:

>

> http://www.ktxs.com/news/26615061/detail.html

>

> Stupid People, it's gonna pay for itself...Hope all are well...FE

>

>

[Guest guest]

I meant that specifically for Abilene. It is well known that AFD has been

getting ready for this for several years with paramedic classes and so forth.

GG

Re: Ambulances For The Abilene Fire Department? -

Abilene News S...

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, January 26, 2011, 6:50 AM

>

> In a message dated 1/26/2011 1:28:51 A.M. Central Standard Time,

>

> haussecker87@... writes:

>

> http://www.ktxs.com/news/26615061/detail.html

>

> Stupid People, it's gonna pay for itself...Hope all are well...FE

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Gene when you say ... " wanted this for years and slowly the wheels have been

set in motion. "

>

> Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

Service " ?

>

They aren't exactly mutually exclusive. The IAFF and IAFC (chief's union) have

been pushing to take over EMS since the mid to late 1980s. They have made no

secret of it and no secret that it is, as Joe Biden would say, about a three

letter word, J-O-B-S. As fires decrease and HazMat hasn't panned out to be the

job preserver that everyone thought it might be, the fire service lobby has

turned more and more to EMS to preserve jobs.

All the crapola about it being cheaper, faster, better, is a cover for

preserving FF jobs. If a private company can't make a profit doing EMS in a

given city, the FD will not be able to. Not only does it cost more for a FD to

run EMS, they don't have the additional revenue from non emergency work that

most privates get when they do 9-1-1 work. Often the 9-1-1 work is a loss leader

to get their foot in the door for the lucrative non emergency work. And I use

lucrative in the ironic sense.

Unless there is going to be a huge increase in the quality of care and from what

Gene says that's not likely, why have a more expensive service that still

delivers lousy care?

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Gene when you say ... " wanted this for years and slowly the wheels have been

set in motion. "

> >

> > Is that in Abilene's case or the vast Right Wing Conspiracy of the " Fire

Service " ?

> >

>

> They aren't exactly mutually exclusive. The IAFF and IAFC (chief's union) have

been pushing to take over EMS since the mid to late 1980s. They have made no

secret of it and no secret that it is, as Joe Biden would say, about a three

letter word, J-O-B-S. As fires decrease and HazMat hasn't panned out to be the

job preserver that everyone thought it might be, the fire service lobby has

turned more and more to EMS to preserve jobs.

>

> All the crapola about it being cheaper, faster, better, is a cover for

preserving FF jobs. If a private company can't make a profit doing EMS in a

given city, the FD will not be able to. Not only does it cost more for a FD to

run EMS, they don't have the additional revenue from non emergency work that

most privates get when they do 9-1-1 work. Often the 9-1-1 work is a loss leader

to get their foot in the door for the lucrative non emergency work. And I use

lucrative in the ironic sense.

>

> Unless there is going to be a huge increase in the quality of care and from

what Gene says that's not likely, why have a more expensive service that still

delivers lousy care?

>

Motbert, what are you talking about " still delivers lousy care " ???

I'm dying to know your response...