Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 " And, away we go...! " LOL. Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more trades and hit the gym. Romy son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 " And, away we go...! " LOL. Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more trades and hit the gym. Romy son Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Insert two week long heated argument (HERE)....... -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Insert two week long heated argument (HERE)....... -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their biceps. Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really inspires my confidence, too. Bob Kellow wrote: > " And, away we go...! " LOL. > > > > > > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get > there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better > placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, > master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training > and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed > down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification > hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned > Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my > experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire > based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of > separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more > trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 We wonder why we are always thought of as the step children in the Medical Community. Eddie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- Re: Fire based EMS Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their biceps. Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really inspires my confidence, too. Bob Kellow wrote: > " And, away we go...! " LOL. > > > > > > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get > there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better > placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, > master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training > and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed > down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification > hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned > Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my > experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire > based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of > separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more > trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Very well stated Larry! And I support Fire Based EMS! Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Training Program Manager Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) (Office) (Office Fax) LNMolino@... Lou@... > Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > ----- Re: Fire based EMS > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 > > Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their biceps. > > Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really > inspires my confidence, too. > > Bob Kellow wrote: >> " And, away we go...! " LOL. >> >> >> >> >> >> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get >> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better >> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, >> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training >> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed >> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification >> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned >> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my >> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire >> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of >> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more >> trades and hit the gym. >> >> Romy son >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Very well stated Larry! And I support Fire Based EMS! Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Training Program Manager Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) (Office) (Office Fax) LNMolino@... Lou@... > Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > ----- Re: Fire based EMS > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 > > Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their biceps. > > Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really > inspires my confidence, too. > > Bob Kellow wrote: >> " And, away we go...! " LOL. >> >> >> >> >> >> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get >> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better >> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, >> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training >> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed >> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification >> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned >> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my >> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire >> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of >> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more >> trades and hit the gym. >> >> Romy son >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Every time this discussion comes up (fire vs. private) there is ALWAYS the finger pointing and accusations about " how bad the other is " . How about for a change, we discuss and build upon the need that both agencies have for one another and how we can improve patient care WITHOUT being so negative?? As Dan Fogelburg sang about years ago, " There is a Place in the World.. " Greg Higgins LP From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:17 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fire based EMS Very well stated Larry! And I support Fire Based EMS! Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Training Program Manager Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) (Office) (Office Fax) LNMolino@... Lou@... On Jan 27, 2011, at 14:40, " Larry " lanelson1@... > wrote: > Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > ----- Re: Fire based EMS > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 > > Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their biceps. > > Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really > inspires my confidence, too. > > Bob Kellow wrote: >> " And, away we go...! " LOL. >> >> On Jan 27, 2011 8:24 AM, " Romy son " r.stevenson7013@... > wrote: >> >> >> >> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get >> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better >> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, >> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training >> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed >> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification >> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned >> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my >> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire >> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of >> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more >> trades and hit the gym. >> >> Romy son >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Grayson > www.kellygrayson.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 " master of none is an uneducated insult " - True dat! They (we in some cases) master watching T.V., Cooking, weight lifting, taking naps, detailing personal vehicles, running personal business, and many more not firefighting related task while on the tax payers dollar! If the public only knew how many tax payer dollars could be uses to do more productive thing while at the station not running calls... we could take a look at how some other countries do things... Les NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief Chlor-Alkali Project Safety Represenative Westlake Chemical P.O. Box 228 36045 LA 30 Geismar, LA 70734-0228 e-Mail: lpowell@... Telephone: Fax: Cell: 225.439-6552 http://www.texasemsat.org/> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " - Abraham Lincoln ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 08:33 To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fire based EMS Insert two week long heated argument (HERE)....... -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:24, Romy son r.stevenson7013@... > wrote: > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 " master of none is an uneducated insult " - True dat! They (we in some cases) master watching T.V., Cooking, weight lifting, taking naps, detailing personal vehicles, running personal business, and many more not firefighting related task while on the tax payers dollar! If the public only knew how many tax payer dollars could be uses to do more productive thing while at the station not running calls... we could take a look at how some other countries do things... Les NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief Chlor-Alkali Project Safety Represenative Westlake Chemical P.O. Box 228 36045 LA 30 Geismar, LA 70734-0228 e-Mail: lpowell@... Telephone: Fax: Cell: 225.439-6552 http://www.texasemsat.org/> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " - Abraham Lincoln ________________________________ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 08:33 To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fire based EMS Insert two week long heated argument (HERE)....... -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone On Jan 27, 2011, at 8:24, Romy son r.stevenson7013@... > wrote: > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I second that!! Fire based, private, they both can be great and they both can be terrible. Ever wonder why we can't unionize?!?!?! CAUSE WE CAN'T AGREE!!!!! " Damn do you ever wonder why your stuck a lieutenant for life......no " -backdraft -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Every time this discussion comes up (fire vs. private) there is ALWAYS the finger pointing and accusations about " how bad the other is " . How about for a change, we discuss and build upon the need that both agencies have for one another and how we can improve patient care WITHOUT being so negative?? > > As Dan Fogelburg sang about years ago, " There is a Place in the World.. " > > > > Greg Higgins LP > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:17 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: Fire based EMS > > > > > > Very well stated Larry! > > And I support Fire Based EMS! > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > Lou@... > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 14:40, " Larry " lanelson1@... > > wrote: > >> Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too > frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you > make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in > EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore > than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments > like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. > �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of > all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 >> >> ----- Re: Fire based EMS >> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 >> >> Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their > biceps. >> >> Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really >> inspires my confidence, too. >> >> Bob Kellow wrote: >>> " And, away we go...! " LOL. >>> >>> On Jan 27, 2011 8:24 AM, " Romy son " r.stevenson7013@... > > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments > get >>> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better >>> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, >>> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, > training >>> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have > " dumbed >>> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and > certification >>> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private > owned >>> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my >>> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire >>> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of >>> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few > more >>> trades and hit the gym. >>> >>> Romy son >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Grayson >> www.kellygrayson.com >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I second that!! Fire based, private, they both can be great and they both can be terrible. Ever wonder why we can't unionize?!?!?! CAUSE WE CAN'T AGREE!!!!! " Damn do you ever wonder why your stuck a lieutenant for life......no " -backdraft -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Every time this discussion comes up (fire vs. private) there is ALWAYS the finger pointing and accusations about " how bad the other is " . How about for a change, we discuss and build upon the need that both agencies have for one another and how we can improve patient care WITHOUT being so negative?? > > As Dan Fogelburg sang about years ago, " There is a Place in the World.. " > > > > Greg Higgins LP > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:17 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: Fire based EMS > > > > > > Very well stated Larry! > > And I support Fire Based EMS! > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > Lou@... > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 14:40, " Larry " lanelson1@... > > wrote: > >> Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too > frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you > make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in > EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore > than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments > like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. > �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of > all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 >> >> ----- Re: Fire based EMS >> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 >> >> Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their > biceps. >> >> Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really >> inspires my confidence, too. >> >> Bob Kellow wrote: >>> " And, away we go...! " LOL. >>> >>> On Jan 27, 2011 8:24 AM, " Romy son " r.stevenson7013@... > > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments > get >>> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better >>> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, >>> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, > training >>> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have > " dumbed >>> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and > certification >>> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private > owned >>> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my >>> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire >>> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of >>> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few > more >>> trades and hit the gym. >>> >>> Romy son >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Grayson >> www.kellygrayson.com >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 I second that!! Fire based, private, they both can be great and they both can be terrible. Ever wonder why we can't unionize?!?!?! CAUSE WE CAN'T AGREE!!!!! " Damn do you ever wonder why your stuck a lieutenant for life......no " -backdraft -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > Every time this discussion comes up (fire vs. private) there is ALWAYS the finger pointing and accusations about " how bad the other is " . How about for a change, we discuss and build upon the need that both agencies have for one another and how we can improve patient care WITHOUT being so negative?? > > As Dan Fogelburg sang about years ago, " There is a Place in the World.. " > > > > Greg Higgins LP > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:17 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: Fire based EMS > > > > > > Very well stated Larry! > > And I support Fire Based EMS! > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > Lou@... > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 14:40, " Larry " lanelson1@... > > wrote: > >> Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too > frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you > make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in > EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore > than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments > like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. > �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of > all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 >> >> ----- Re: Fire based EMS >> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 >> >> Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their > biceps. >> >> Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really >> inspires my confidence, too. >> >> Bob Kellow wrote: >>> " And, away we go...! " LOL. >>> >>> On Jan 27, 2011 8:24 AM, " Romy son " r.stevenson7013@... > > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments > get >>> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better >>> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, >>> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, > training >>> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have > " dumbed >>> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and > certification >>> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private > owned >>> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my >>> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire >>> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of >>> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few > more >>> trades and hit the gym. >>> >>> Romy son >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Grayson >> www.kellygrayson.com >> > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Rather than bicker over the " who " question, I think we'd all be wise to examine and solve the " how " question - meaning the external and uncontrollable factors that are quickly rendering EMS an unsustainable endeavor on many fronts - regardless of provider type. We're sounding like the condemned standing before a firing squad and complaining that our blindfold is too tight. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Greg Higgins gs.higgins@...>wrote: > > > Every time this discussion comes up (fire vs. private) there is ALWAYS the > finger pointing and accusations about " how bad the other is " . How about for > a change, we discuss and build upon the need that both agencies have for one > another and how we can improve patient care WITHOUT being so negative?? > > As Dan Fogelburg sang about years ago, " There is a Place in the World.. " > > Greg Higgins LP > > From: texasems-l [mailto: > texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:17 AM > > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: Fire based EMS > > Very well stated Larry! > > And I support Fire Based EMS! > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > > > Lou@... > > > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 14:40, " Larry " lanelson1@... > > > wrote: > > > Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too > frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you > make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in > EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore > than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments > like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. > �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of > all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > > > ----- Re: Fire based EMS > > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 > > > > Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their > biceps. > > > > Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really > > inspires my confidence, too. > > > > Bob Kellow wrote: > >> " And, away we go...! " LOL. > >> > >> On Jan 27, 2011 8:24 AM, " Romy son " r.stevenson7013@... > > > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments > get > >> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed > better > >> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all > trades, > >> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, > training > >> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have > " dumbed > >> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and > certification > >> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private > owned > >> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my > >> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a > fire > >> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury > of > >> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few > more > >> trades and hit the gym. > >> > >> Romy son > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Grayson > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Rather than bicker over the " who " question, I think we'd all be wise to examine and solve the " how " question - meaning the external and uncontrollable factors that are quickly rendering EMS an unsustainable endeavor on many fronts - regardless of provider type. We're sounding like the condemned standing before a firing squad and complaining that our blindfold is too tight. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Greg Higgins gs.higgins@...>wrote: > > > Every time this discussion comes up (fire vs. private) there is ALWAYS the > finger pointing and accusations about " how bad the other is " . How about for > a change, we discuss and build upon the need that both agencies have for one > another and how we can improve patient care WITHOUT being so negative?? > > As Dan Fogelburg sang about years ago, " There is a Place in the World.. " > > Greg Higgins LP > > From: texasems-l [mailto: > texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:17 AM > > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: Fire based EMS > > Very well stated Larry! > > And I support Fire Based EMS! > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > > > Lou@... > > > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 14:40, " Larry " lanelson1@... > > > wrote: > > > Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too > frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you > make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in > EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore > than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments > like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. > �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of > all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > > > ----- Re: Fire based EMS > > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 > > > > Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their > biceps. > > > > Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really > > inspires my confidence, too. > > > > Bob Kellow wrote: > >> " And, away we go...! " LOL. > >> > >> On Jan 27, 2011 8:24 AM, " Romy son " r.stevenson7013@... > > > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments > get > >> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed > better > >> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all > trades, > >> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, > training > >> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have > " dumbed > >> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and > certification > >> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private > owned > >> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my > >> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a > fire > >> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury > of > >> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few > more > >> trades and hit the gym. > >> > >> Romy son > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Grayson > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Rather than bicker over the " who " question, I think we'd all be wise to examine and solve the " how " question - meaning the external and uncontrollable factors that are quickly rendering EMS an unsustainable endeavor on many fronts - regardless of provider type. We're sounding like the condemned standing before a firing squad and complaining that our blindfold is too tight. On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 9:30 AM, Greg Higgins gs.higgins@...>wrote: > > > Every time this discussion comes up (fire vs. private) there is ALWAYS the > finger pointing and accusations about " how bad the other is " . How about for > a change, we discuss and build upon the need that both agencies have for one > another and how we can improve patient care WITHOUT being so negative?? > > As Dan Fogelburg sang about years ago, " There is a Place in the World.. " > > Greg Higgins LP > > From: texasems-l [mailto: > texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 9:17 AM > > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: Fire based EMS > > Very well stated Larry! > > And I support Fire Based EMS! > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > > > Lou@... > > > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 14:40, " Larry " lanelson1@... > > > wrote: > > > Romy, you have successfully demonstrated the arrogance that is too > frequently seen from fire-based EMS. Given the 80% EMS call statement you > make, doesn't it seem rational that the only reason fire has an interest in > EMS is to preserve their infrastructure'? I am not anti- fire EMS, anymore > than I am pro - private / third service. Each has its place, but comments > like that do not advance the cause of good patient care or a unifed EMS. > �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of > all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > > > ----- Re: Fire based EMS > > Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:33:16 -0600 > > > > Yep, the first thing I look for in a paramedic is the size of their > biceps. > > > > Looking at EMS as a necessary evil in order to get on with the FD really > > inspires my confidence, too. > > > > Bob Kellow wrote: > >> " And, away we go...! " LOL. > >> > >> On Jan 27, 2011 8:24 AM, " Romy son " r.stevenson7013@... > > > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments > get > >> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed > better > >> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all > trades, > >> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, > training > >> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have > " dumbed > >> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and > certification > >> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private > owned > >> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my > >> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a > fire > >> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury > of > >> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few > more > >> trades and hit the gym. > >> > >> Romy son > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > -- > > Grayson > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Romy, thank you for inadvertently supporting my case. You had me at " professional ambulance driver " . It is no wonder EMS has such a hard time being considered a profession and reflecting the pay as such. Nobody said the paramedic exam was " dumbed down " for firefighters; that may be your inference from what was said in the discussion. Picking up the necessary CE hours to hold your certification is hardly holding yourself to a higher standard. Anyone can be taught to the exam and successfully pass the National Registry test to at least pass by the 3rd try with a minimum score of 70. No matter what unions, national groups or fire service lobbyists say, public safety is made up of three legs, not two. The triad of public safety consists of police, fire and guess what: EMS. Usually when EMS agencies are absorbed, they simply disappear. Police are left untouched. Fire is untouched. But suddenly paramedics must become firefighter-paramedics and EMS is relegated to a necessary evil by many career firefighters that have openly stated they do not want any part of the ambulance service. Many agencies no longer employ strictly full-time paramedics. In many agencies, paramedicine is often seen only as a notch in the advancement of a career firefighter. How many administrative or white-collar personnel do you know who made it in a fire-EMS system without requisite fire training? I don't know of any, but I can tell you that a paramedic patch sure looks good on the chief's uniform. When EMS disappears from the public safety triad, the job role of a career paramedic disappears. In a fire system, there is simply no room for a veteran paramedic to advance in pay or promotion, unless he chooses to be a firefighter as well. How does that help patients? Due to the resounding success of their fire-prevention efforts, the fire department is handling fewer and fewer fire calls. Fewer calls means the normal budget will shrink, because the money isn't needed. Meanwhile, EMS calls are increasing and so are their budgets. In order to grow their budgets, the FD has an even larger goal in mind. On top of the standing budget of EMS, ambulances are somewhat self-supporting. We bill for transport and therefore provide some of our own money back into the system without any outside funding. Fire departments then portray EMS as a system in poor straits, with no leadership, poor response times and shoddy care. Then, the fire department can step in to save the day and absorb EMS, budget and all. I'm not against a Chief of a fire department that is certified as an EMT-Basic, that is qualified, running an EMS service by any means. I am though very much against putting a Chief of a fire department that is an EMT with NO EXPERIENCE WORKING ON AN AMBULANCE in charge of an EMS system that covers over 125,000 people. By removing EMS from the public safety triad and making EMS second class, patient care ultimately suffers. ~DA _____ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Romy son Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:24 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Fire based EMS Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more trades and hit the gym. Romy son No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3406 - Release Date: 01/27/11 01:37:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Romy, thank you for inadvertently supporting my case. You had me at " professional ambulance driver " . It is no wonder EMS has such a hard time being considered a profession and reflecting the pay as such. Nobody said the paramedic exam was " dumbed down " for firefighters; that may be your inference from what was said in the discussion. Picking up the necessary CE hours to hold your certification is hardly holding yourself to a higher standard. Anyone can be taught to the exam and successfully pass the National Registry test to at least pass by the 3rd try with a minimum score of 70. No matter what unions, national groups or fire service lobbyists say, public safety is made up of three legs, not two. The triad of public safety consists of police, fire and guess what: EMS. Usually when EMS agencies are absorbed, they simply disappear. Police are left untouched. Fire is untouched. But suddenly paramedics must become firefighter-paramedics and EMS is relegated to a necessary evil by many career firefighters that have openly stated they do not want any part of the ambulance service. Many agencies no longer employ strictly full-time paramedics. In many agencies, paramedicine is often seen only as a notch in the advancement of a career firefighter. How many administrative or white-collar personnel do you know who made it in a fire-EMS system without requisite fire training? I don't know of any, but I can tell you that a paramedic patch sure looks good on the chief's uniform. When EMS disappears from the public safety triad, the job role of a career paramedic disappears. In a fire system, there is simply no room for a veteran paramedic to advance in pay or promotion, unless he chooses to be a firefighter as well. How does that help patients? Due to the resounding success of their fire-prevention efforts, the fire department is handling fewer and fewer fire calls. Fewer calls means the normal budget will shrink, because the money isn't needed. Meanwhile, EMS calls are increasing and so are their budgets. In order to grow their budgets, the FD has an even larger goal in mind. On top of the standing budget of EMS, ambulances are somewhat self-supporting. We bill for transport and therefore provide some of our own money back into the system without any outside funding. Fire departments then portray EMS as a system in poor straits, with no leadership, poor response times and shoddy care. Then, the fire department can step in to save the day and absorb EMS, budget and all. I'm not against a Chief of a fire department that is certified as an EMT-Basic, that is qualified, running an EMS service by any means. I am though very much against putting a Chief of a fire department that is an EMT with NO EXPERIENCE WORKING ON AN AMBULANCE in charge of an EMS system that covers over 125,000 people. By removing EMS from the public safety triad and making EMS second class, patient care ultimately suffers. ~DA _____ From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Romy son Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:24 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Fire based EMS Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more trades and hit the gym. Romy son No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3406 - Release Date: 01/27/11 01:37:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 What you are forgetting to mention in this scenario, some of which holds water some which does not 100% of the time. Is the private ambulance service that places units on the streets with under trained, under paid (your words not mine) paramedics that have been awake for the last 72 hours because the company didn't have relief for him. They then send his unit to a motel room to stage for a call, which eventually comes in as a transfer to Dallas, which is a 3 hours drive one way. You have now taken a 911/transfer truck out of service for 6 hours (if your lucky and they don't need fuel of food). When guess what happens that's right a pedi cardiac arrest drops across the street from the motel they were staged in and the next unit is clearing from a dialysis center across town, and the original crew has already made pt. Contact at the hospital for the bowel obstruction (that is a paying call by the way cause the pt. Has insurance) they are driving to Cowtown...... See this can be what if'd to death fire based has it's problems just as much as private, gives us firemen a break here, especially the ones who DO want to ride the ambulance!!! A better question that should be asked is what have YOU done for your customers today?? -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:12, " Allman, EMT-B " david.allman@...> wrote: > Romy, thank you for inadvertently supporting my case. You had me at > " professional ambulance driver " . It is no wonder EMS has such a hard time > being considered a profession and reflecting the pay as such. > > > > Nobody said the paramedic exam was " dumbed down " for firefighters; that may > be your inference from what was said in the discussion. Picking up the > necessary CE hours to hold your certification is hardly holding yourself to > a higher standard. Anyone can be taught to the exam and successfully pass > the National Registry test to at least pass by the 3rd try with a minimum > score of 70. > > > > No matter what unions, national groups or fire service lobbyists say, public > safety is made up of three legs, not two. The triad of public safety > consists of police, fire and guess what: EMS. Usually when EMS agencies are > absorbed, they simply disappear. Police are left untouched. Fire is > untouched. But suddenly paramedics must become firefighter-paramedics and > EMS is relegated to a necessary evil by many career firefighters that have > openly stated they do not want any part of the ambulance service. Many > agencies no longer employ strictly full-time paramedics. In many agencies, > paramedicine is often seen only as a notch in the advancement of a career > firefighter. How many administrative or white-collar personnel do you know > who made it in a fire-EMS system without requisite fire training? I don't > know of any, but I can tell you that a paramedic patch sure looks good on > the chief's uniform. When EMS disappears from the public safety triad, the > job role of a career paramedic disappears. In a fire system, there is simply > no room for a veteran paramedic to advance in pay or promotion, unless he > chooses to be a firefighter as well. How does that help patients? Due to the > resounding success of their fire-prevention efforts, the fire department is > handling fewer and fewer fire calls. Fewer calls means the normal budget > will shrink, because the money isn't needed. Meanwhile, EMS calls are > increasing and so are their budgets. In order to grow their budgets, the FD > has an even larger goal in mind. On top of the standing budget of EMS, > ambulances are somewhat self-supporting. We bill for transport and therefore > provide some of our own money back into the system without any outside > funding. Fire departments then portray EMS as a system in poor straits, with > no leadership, poor response times and shoddy care. Then, the fire > department can step in to save the day and absorb EMS, budget and all. > > > > I'm not against a Chief of a fire department that is certified as an > EMT-Basic, that is qualified, running an EMS service by any means. I am > though very much against putting a Chief of a fire department that is an EMT > with NO EXPERIENCE WORKING ON AN AMBULANCE in charge of an EMS system that > covers over 125,000 people. > > > > By removing EMS from the public safety triad and making EMS second class, > patient care ultimately suffers. > > > > ~DA > > > > _____ > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Romy son > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:24 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Fire based EMS > > > > > > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get > there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better > placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, > master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training > and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed > down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification > hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned > Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my > experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire > based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of > separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more > trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3406 - Release Date: 01/27/11 > 01:37:00 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 What you are forgetting to mention in this scenario, some of which holds water some which does not 100% of the time. Is the private ambulance service that places units on the streets with under trained, under paid (your words not mine) paramedics that have been awake for the last 72 hours because the company didn't have relief for him. They then send his unit to a motel room to stage for a call, which eventually comes in as a transfer to Dallas, which is a 3 hours drive one way. You have now taken a 911/transfer truck out of service for 6 hours (if your lucky and they don't need fuel of food). When guess what happens that's right a pedi cardiac arrest drops across the street from the motel they were staged in and the next unit is clearing from a dialysis center across town, and the original crew has already made pt. Contact at the hospital for the bowel obstruction (that is a paying call by the way cause the pt. Has insurance) they are driving to Cowtown...... See this can be what if'd to death fire based has it's problems just as much as private, gives us firemen a break here, especially the ones who DO want to ride the ambulance!!! A better question that should be asked is what have YOU done for your customers today?? -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:12, " Allman, EMT-B " david.allman@...> wrote: > Romy, thank you for inadvertently supporting my case. You had me at > " professional ambulance driver " . It is no wonder EMS has such a hard time > being considered a profession and reflecting the pay as such. > > > > Nobody said the paramedic exam was " dumbed down " for firefighters; that may > be your inference from what was said in the discussion. Picking up the > necessary CE hours to hold your certification is hardly holding yourself to > a higher standard. Anyone can be taught to the exam and successfully pass > the National Registry test to at least pass by the 3rd try with a minimum > score of 70. > > > > No matter what unions, national groups or fire service lobbyists say, public > safety is made up of three legs, not two. The triad of public safety > consists of police, fire and guess what: EMS. Usually when EMS agencies are > absorbed, they simply disappear. Police are left untouched. Fire is > untouched. But suddenly paramedics must become firefighter-paramedics and > EMS is relegated to a necessary evil by many career firefighters that have > openly stated they do not want any part of the ambulance service. Many > agencies no longer employ strictly full-time paramedics. In many agencies, > paramedicine is often seen only as a notch in the advancement of a career > firefighter. How many administrative or white-collar personnel do you know > who made it in a fire-EMS system without requisite fire training? I don't > know of any, but I can tell you that a paramedic patch sure looks good on > the chief's uniform. When EMS disappears from the public safety triad, the > job role of a career paramedic disappears. In a fire system, there is simply > no room for a veteran paramedic to advance in pay or promotion, unless he > chooses to be a firefighter as well. How does that help patients? Due to the > resounding success of their fire-prevention efforts, the fire department is > handling fewer and fewer fire calls. Fewer calls means the normal budget > will shrink, because the money isn't needed. Meanwhile, EMS calls are > increasing and so are their budgets. In order to grow their budgets, the FD > has an even larger goal in mind. On top of the standing budget of EMS, > ambulances are somewhat self-supporting. We bill for transport and therefore > provide some of our own money back into the system without any outside > funding. Fire departments then portray EMS as a system in poor straits, with > no leadership, poor response times and shoddy care. Then, the fire > department can step in to save the day and absorb EMS, budget and all. > > > > I'm not against a Chief of a fire department that is certified as an > EMT-Basic, that is qualified, running an EMS service by any means. I am > though very much against putting a Chief of a fire department that is an EMT > with NO EXPERIENCE WORKING ON AN AMBULANCE in charge of an EMS system that > covers over 125,000 people. > > > > By removing EMS from the public safety triad and making EMS second class, > patient care ultimately suffers. > > > > ~DA > > > > _____ > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Romy son > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:24 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Fire based EMS > > > > > > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get > there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better > placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, > master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training > and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed > down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification > hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned > Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my > experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire > based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of > separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more > trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3406 - Release Date: 01/27/11 > 01:37:00 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 What you are forgetting to mention in this scenario, some of which holds water some which does not 100% of the time. Is the private ambulance service that places units on the streets with under trained, under paid (your words not mine) paramedics that have been awake for the last 72 hours because the company didn't have relief for him. They then send his unit to a motel room to stage for a call, which eventually comes in as a transfer to Dallas, which is a 3 hours drive one way. You have now taken a 911/transfer truck out of service for 6 hours (if your lucky and they don't need fuel of food). When guess what happens that's right a pedi cardiac arrest drops across the street from the motel they were staged in and the next unit is clearing from a dialysis center across town, and the original crew has already made pt. Contact at the hospital for the bowel obstruction (that is a paying call by the way cause the pt. Has insurance) they are driving to Cowtown...... See this can be what if'd to death fire based has it's problems just as much as private, gives us firemen a break here, especially the ones who DO want to ride the ambulance!!! A better question that should be asked is what have YOU done for your customers today?? -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:12, " Allman, EMT-B " david.allman@...> wrote: > Romy, thank you for inadvertently supporting my case. You had me at > " professional ambulance driver " . It is no wonder EMS has such a hard time > being considered a profession and reflecting the pay as such. > > > > Nobody said the paramedic exam was " dumbed down " for firefighters; that may > be your inference from what was said in the discussion. Picking up the > necessary CE hours to hold your certification is hardly holding yourself to > a higher standard. Anyone can be taught to the exam and successfully pass > the National Registry test to at least pass by the 3rd try with a minimum > score of 70. > > > > No matter what unions, national groups or fire service lobbyists say, public > safety is made up of three legs, not two. The triad of public safety > consists of police, fire and guess what: EMS. Usually when EMS agencies are > absorbed, they simply disappear. Police are left untouched. Fire is > untouched. But suddenly paramedics must become firefighter-paramedics and > EMS is relegated to a necessary evil by many career firefighters that have > openly stated they do not want any part of the ambulance service. Many > agencies no longer employ strictly full-time paramedics. In many agencies, > paramedicine is often seen only as a notch in the advancement of a career > firefighter. How many administrative or white-collar personnel do you know > who made it in a fire-EMS system without requisite fire training? I don't > know of any, but I can tell you that a paramedic patch sure looks good on > the chief's uniform. When EMS disappears from the public safety triad, the > job role of a career paramedic disappears. In a fire system, there is simply > no room for a veteran paramedic to advance in pay or promotion, unless he > chooses to be a firefighter as well. How does that help patients? Due to the > resounding success of their fire-prevention efforts, the fire department is > handling fewer and fewer fire calls. Fewer calls means the normal budget > will shrink, because the money isn't needed. Meanwhile, EMS calls are > increasing and so are their budgets. In order to grow their budgets, the FD > has an even larger goal in mind. On top of the standing budget of EMS, > ambulances are somewhat self-supporting. We bill for transport and therefore > provide some of our own money back into the system without any outside > funding. Fire departments then portray EMS as a system in poor straits, with > no leadership, poor response times and shoddy care. Then, the fire > department can step in to save the day and absorb EMS, budget and all. > > > > I'm not against a Chief of a fire department that is certified as an > EMT-Basic, that is qualified, running an EMS service by any means. I am > though very much against putting a Chief of a fire department that is an EMT > with NO EXPERIENCE WORKING ON AN AMBULANCE in charge of an EMS system that > covers over 125,000 people. > > > > By removing EMS from the public safety triad and making EMS second class, > patient care ultimately suffers. > > > > ~DA > > > > _____ > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Romy son > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:24 AM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Fire based EMS > > > > > > Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments get > there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed better > placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, > master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, training > and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have " dumbed > down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and certification > hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private owned > Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my > experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire > based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of > separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few more > trades and hit the gym. > > Romy son > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3406 - Release Date: 01/27/11 > 01:37:00 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 On Thursday, January 27, 2011 08:35, PRECEPTER@... said: > We wonder why we are always thought of as the step children in the Medical > Community. It's still a much better alternative than being the step-children of " public safety " . I'll take it. Now, if they start wanting to make us the step-children of nursing, then I'll get excited! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 On Thursday, January 27, 2011 08:35, PRECEPTER@... said: > We wonder why we are always thought of as the step children in the Medical > Community. It's still a much better alternative than being the step-children of " public safety " . I'll take it. Now, if they start wanting to make us the step-children of nursing, then I'll get excited! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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