Guest guest Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Thank you for noticing my point. Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Training Program Manager Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) (Office) (Office Fax) LNMolino@... Lou@... > For your statement: > >> The major problem I have with this argument is that many but not all > non-fire service EMS folks simply lump all fire based systems in the same > basket. To me that's not much different than saying all persons of a certain > race are this or that or if you're a Member of a certain faith you are this > or that. Basically bigoted and presumptuous. > > > > Greg Higgins > > > > From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On > Behalf Of Louis N. Molino, Sr. > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:25 PM > To: texasems-l > Subject: Re: Fire based EMS > > > > > > For what Greg? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > Lou@... > > On Jan 27, 2011, at 15:14, " Greg Higgins " gs.higgins@... > > wrote: > >> Thank you Louis! >> >> >> >> From: texasems-l > [mailto:texasems-l ] > On >> Behalf Of lnmolino@... >> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:48 PM >> To: texasems-l >> Subject: Re: Fire based EMS >> >> >> >> >> >> I was going to stay out of this thread for the mere fact it is a circular >> argument but I decided in true arrogant Yankee style to go against even my > >> better judgement. >> >> Now I hate to tell some of you this and some won't buy it but there is > life >> outside of Texas and they sometimes do improve their systems too. >> >> Philadelphia Fire is certainly no model EMS System in 2011 but compared to > >> say 1985 they have come a LONG WAY. >> >> One thing they did was create the job title FSP as in Fire Service >> paramedic. They did so for a number of reasons but chiefly to recruit >> already >> certified Paramedics into their system from the NJ and PA Suburbs. >> >> They run the FSP's through a basic fire service course but they are NOT >> Firefighters they work strictly EMS and they have a career path in the FD > on >> >> the EMS side or they can get fully into the Fire side if they want. La > City >> did something similar years ago as well. >> >> The major problem I have with this argument is that many but not all non >> fire service EMS folks simply lump all fire based systems in the same >> basket. >> To me that's not much different than saying all persons of a certain race >> are this or that or if your a Member of a certain faith you are this or >> that. basically bigoted and presumptuous. >> >> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET >> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI >> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant >> >> LNMolino@... >> >> (Cell Phone) >> (Office) >> (Office Fax) >> >> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude " >> >> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds >> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962) >> >> The comments contained in this E-mail are the opinions of the author and >> the author alone. I in no way ever intend to speak for any person or >> organization that I am in any way whatsoever involved or associated with >> unless I >> specifically state that I am doing so. Further this E-mail is intended > only >> for its stated recipient and may contain private and or confidential >> materials retransmission is strictly prohibited unless placed in the > public >> domain by the original author. >> >> In a message dated 1/27/2011 2:36:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, >> turnbow31@... > writes: >> >> I remember before the fire department started first responding here in >> Lubbock. We ran the call and call for other units as needed. It was fine. > I >> have several friends that are fire fighters and I appreciate what they do. > >> However just because you are a municipality and under Texas Admin Code > have >> certain areas you can explore to try and justify taking over an existing >> EMS does not mean it is prudent. Some people want to fight fire cool.... >> some >> people, like myself, do not like heights, closed spaces or being hot and >> want to be EMT's or paramedics. I just do not think because you fire calls > >> are down that city's should approve fire taking over an EMS system >> especially when there is not going to be offers of employment to the >> paramedics. One >> side of the public safety triads family is no more important than the >> other. To terminate close to 100 paramedics, EMT's, EMD's and supoort > staff >> so >> another department can justify a budget just seems discriminatory. >> >> Bt >> >> Turnbow, NREMT-P, CCEMTP >> 2617 76th Street >> Lubbock Texas, 79423 >> Cell >> Home >> Email turnbow31@... > >> >> To: texasems-l > >> From: aggiesrwe03@... > >> Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 10:34:00 -0600 >> Subject: Re: Fire based EMS >> >> What you are forgetting to mention in this scenario, some of which holds >> water some which does not 100% of the time. Is the private ambulance > service >> >> that places units on the streets with under trained, under paid (your >> words not mine) paramedics that have been awake for the last 72 hours >> because >> the company didn't have relief for him. They then send his unit to a motel > >> room to stage for a call, which eventually comes in as a transfer to > Dallas, >> >> which is a 3 hours drive one way. You have now taken a 911/transfer truck >> out of service for 6 hours (if your lucky and they don't need fuel of >> food). When guess what happens that's right a pedi cardiac arrest drops >> across >> the street from the motel they were staged in and the next unit is > clearing >> from a dialysis center across town, and the original crew has already made > >> pt. Contact at the hospital for the bowel obstruction (that is a paying >> call by the way cause the pt. Has insurance) they are driving to >> Cowtown...... >> See this can be >> what if'd to death fire based has it's problems just as much as private, >> gives us firemen a break here, especially the ones who DO want to ride the > >> ambulance!!! >> >> A better question that should be asked is what have YOU done for your >> customers today?? >> >> -Chris >> >> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard > >> on my iPhone >> >> On Jan 27, 2011, at 10:12, " Allman, EMT-B " >> >> wleyfiredept.com> wrote: >> >>> Romy, thank you for inadvertently supporting my case. You had me at >>> " professional ambulance driver " . It is no wonder EMS has such a hard time >>> being considered a profession and reflecting the pay as such. >>> >>> >>> >>> Nobody said the paramedic exam was " dumbed down " for firefighters; that >> may >>> be your inference from what was said in the discussion. Picking up the >>> necessary CE hours to hold your certification is hardly holding yourself >> to >>> a higher standard. Anyone can be taught to the exam and successfully pass >>> the National Registry test to at least pass by the 3rd try with a minimum >>> score of 70. >>> >>> >>> >>> No matter what unions, national groups or fire service lobbyists say, >> public >>> safety is made up of three legs, not two. The triad of public safety >>> consists of police, fire and guess what: EMS. Usually when EMS agencies >> are >>> absorbed, they simply disappear. Police are left untouched. Fire is >>> untouched. But suddenly paramedics must become firefighter-paramedics and >>> EMS is relegated to a necessary evil by many career firefighters that >> have >>> openly stated they do not want any part of the ambulance service. Many >>> agencies no longer employ strictly full-time paramedics. In many >> agencies, >>> paramedicine is often seen only as a notch in the advancement of a >> career >>> firefighter. How many administrative or white-collar personnel do you >> know >>> who made it in a fire-EMS system without requisite fire training? I don't >>> know of any, but I can tell you that a paramedic patch sure looks good on >>> the chief's uniform. When EMS disappears from the public safety triad, >> the >>> job role of a career paramedic disappears. In a fire system, there is >> simply >>> no room for a veteran paramedic to advance in pay or promotion, unless he >>> chooses to be a firefighter as well. How does that help patients? Due to >> the >>> resounding success of their fire-prevention efforts, the fire department >> is >>> handling fewer and fewer fire calls. Fewer calls means the normal budget >>> will shrink, because the money isn't needed. Meanwhile, EMS calls are >>> increasing and so are their budgets. In order to grow their budgets, the >> FD >>> has an even larger goal in mind. On top of the standing budget of EMS, >>> ambulances are somewhat self-supporting. We bill for transport and >> therefore >>> provide some of our own money back into the system without any outside >>> funding. Fire departments then portray EMS as a system in poor straits, >> with >>> no leadership, poor response times and shoddy care. Then, the fire >>> department can step in to save the day and absorb EMS, budget and all. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm not against a Chief of a fire department that is certified as an >>> EMT-Basic, that is qualified, running an EMS service by any means. I am >>> though very much against putting a Chief of a fire department that is an >> EMT >>> with NO EXPERIENCE WORKING ON AN AMBULANCE in charge of an EMS system >> that >>> covers over 125,000 people. >>> >>> >>> >>> By removing EMS from the public safety triad and making EMS second class, >>> patient care ultimately suffers. >>> >>> >>> >>> ~DA >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> From: texasems-l > >> [mailto:texasems-l > ] >> On >>> Behalf Of Romy son >>> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:24 AM >>> To: texasems-l > >>> Subject: Fire based EMS >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Good for AFD. Over 80% of emergency calls are medical. Fire departments >> get >>> there faster because of a stronger infrastructure that has allowed >> better >>> placement of stations. To say that fire based EMS, is jack of all trades, >>> master of none is an uneducated insult. They have same equipment, >> training >>> and abilities as ambulance drivers. My paramedic exam, didn't have >> " dumbed >>> down for firefighter " on it. Im held to the same training and >> certification >>> hours as my ambulance based counterpart. In my experiance the private >> owned >>> Ambulance companies, hire a lot of off duty firefighters. It's also my >>> experience that a lot of professional ambulance drivers can't pass a fire >>> based PT. Cities and Local governments can no longer afford the luxury of >>> separate services, so I guess some of y'all better learn to jack a few >> more >>> trades and hit the gym. >>> >>> Romy son >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3406 - Release Date: 01/27/11 >>> 01:37:00 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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