Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Ok, let the sparks fly... med·ic (mdk) n. 1. A member of a military medical corps. 2. A physician or surgeon. 3. A medical student or intern. The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. medic, abbreviation for paramedic. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. Medic Military medicine A non-physician member of a medical detachment who is assigned to a company, battery, troop, battalion, etc., to give first aid to the wounded and carry necessary information about specific casualties to the battalion or regimental surgeon. Medtalk A popular term in the UK for a physician Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2011 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved. MEDIC minimum essential drug information checklist. Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved Sent from my iPhone McGee, EMT-P > Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Ok, let the sparks fly... med·ic (mdk) n. 1. A member of a military medical corps. 2. A physician or surgeon. 3. A medical student or intern. The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. medic, abbreviation for paramedic. Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. Medic Military medicine A non-physician member of a medical detachment who is assigned to a company, battery, troop, battalion, etc., to give first aid to the wounded and carry necessary information about specific casualties to the battalion or regimental surgeon. Medtalk A popular term in the UK for a physician Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2011 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved. MEDIC minimum essential drug information checklist. Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved Sent from my iPhone McGee, EMT-P > Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Okay......then it is definitive..... we are ALL medics, ....working for one cause. To help those who need help. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Okay......then it is definitive..... we are ALL medics, ....working for one cause. To help those who need help. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I often debate with myself if this or the whole fire/EMS argument is the stupidest of arguments held on lists like this? Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Training Program Manager Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) (Office) (Office Fax) LNMolino@... Lou@... > Ok, let the sparks fly... > > med·ic (mdk) > n. > 1. A member of a military medical corps. > 2. A physician or surgeon. > 3. A medical student or intern. > The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. > medic, > abbreviation for paramedic. > Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. > Medic > Military medicine A non-physician member of a medical detachment who is assigned to a company, battery, troop, battalion, etc., to give first aid to the wounded and carry necessary information about specific casualties to the battalion or regimental surgeon. > Medtalk A popular term in the UK for a physician > Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2011 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved. > MEDIC > minimum essential drug information checklist. > Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved > > > Sent from my iPhone > McGee, EMT-P > > > >> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >> >> Coug. >> >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 I often debate with myself if this or the whole fire/EMS argument is the stupidest of arguments held on lists like this? Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Training Program Manager Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) (Office) (Office Fax) LNMolino@... Lou@... > Ok, let the sparks fly... > > med·ic (mdk) > n. > 1. A member of a military medical corps. > 2. A physician or surgeon. > 3. A medical student or intern. > The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. > medic, > abbreviation for paramedic. > Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. > Medic > Military medicine A non-physician member of a medical detachment who is assigned to a company, battery, troop, battalion, etc., to give first aid to the wounded and carry necessary information about specific casualties to the battalion or regimental surgeon. > Medtalk A popular term in the UK for a physician > Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2011 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved. > MEDIC > minimum essential drug information checklist. > Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved > > > Sent from my iPhone > McGee, EMT-P > > > >> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >> >> Coug. >> >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Agree Lou! Its nothing more than a pissing contest, when it comes down to it, it is solely a matter of who can perform and who can't. Red patch or blue when in the trenches I want a doer not a talker next to me! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > I often debate with myself if this or the whole fire/EMS argument is the stupidest of arguments held on lists like this? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > Lou@... > > > >> Ok, let the sparks fly... >> >> med·ic (mdk) >> n. >> 1. A member of a military medical corps. >> 2. A physician or surgeon. >> 3. A medical student or intern. >> The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. >> medic, >> abbreviation for paramedic. >> Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. >> Medic >> Military medicine A non-physician member of a medical detachment who is assigned to a company, battery, troop, battalion, etc., to give first aid to the wounded and carry necessary information about specific casualties to the battalion or regimental surgeon. >> Medtalk A popular term in the UK for a physician >> Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2011 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved. >> MEDIC >> minimum essential drug information checklist. >> Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> McGee, EMT-P >> >> >> >>> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >>> >>> Coug. >>> >>> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >>> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Question for Coug based on Chris’ statement. Are you saying the there is a move towards saying that EMT’s are “non-medical†as in they can’t, or that they should(n’t) be called a “medic� Toni From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:44 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: I want to know Agree Lou! Its nothing more than a pissing contest, when it comes down to it, it is solely a matter of who can perform and who can't. Red patch or blue when in the trenches I want a doer not a talker next to me! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone On Jun 28, 2011, at 15:30, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@... > wrote: > I often debate with myself if this or the whole fire/EMS argument is the stupidest of arguments held on lists like this? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > Lou@... > > On Jun 28, 2011, at 15:01, McGee summedic@... > wrote: > >> Ok, let the sparks fly... >> >> med·ic (mdk) >> n. >> 1. A member of a military medical corps. >> 2. A physician or surgeon. >> 3. A medical student or intern. >> The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. >> medic, >> abbreviation for paramedic. >> Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. >> Medic >> Military medicine A non-physician member of a medical detachment who is assigned to a company, battery, troop, battalion, etc., to give first aid to the wounded and carry necessary information about specific casualties to the battalion or regimental surgeon. >> Medtalk A popular term in the UK for a physician >> Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2011 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved. >> MEDIC >> minimum essential drug information checklist. >> Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> McGee, EMT-P >> >> On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Cougar!! ems_cougar@... > wrote: >> >>> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >>> >>> Coug. >>> >>> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >>> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Question for Coug based on Chris’ statement. Are you saying the there is a move towards saying that EMT’s are “non-medical†as in they can’t, or that they should(n’t) be called a “medic� Toni From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 3:44 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: I want to know Agree Lou! Its nothing more than a pissing contest, when it comes down to it, it is solely a matter of who can perform and who can't. Red patch or blue when in the trenches I want a doer not a talker next to me! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone On Jun 28, 2011, at 15:30, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@... > wrote: > I often debate with myself if this or the whole fire/EMS argument is the stupidest of arguments held on lists like this? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Training Program Manager > Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > (Office) > (Office Fax) > > LNMolino@... > Lou@... > > On Jun 28, 2011, at 15:01, McGee summedic@... > wrote: > >> Ok, let the sparks fly... >> >> med·ic (mdk) >> n. >> 1. A member of a military medical corps. >> 2. A physician or surgeon. >> 3. A medical student or intern. >> The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. >> medic, >> abbreviation for paramedic. >> Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th edition. © 2009, Elsevier. >> Medic >> Military medicine A non-physician member of a medical detachment who is assigned to a company, battery, troop, battalion, etc., to give first aid to the wounded and carry necessary information about specific casualties to the battalion or regimental surgeon. >> Medtalk A popular term in the UK for a physician >> Segen's Medical Dictionary. © 2011 Farlex, Inc. All rights reserved. >> MEDIC >> minimum essential drug information checklist. >> Saunders Comprehensive Veterinary Dictionary, 3 ed. © 2007 Elsevier, Inc. All rights reserved >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> McGee, EMT-P >> >> On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Cougar!! ems_cougar@... > wrote: >> >>> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >>> >>> Coug. >>> >>> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >>> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Yeah.....I think it is stupid....or ignorant, or uninformed, or whatever. we should all be on the same page. We have the same goals whether it be Fire Containment, Law Enforcement, or Emergency Medical Services.....we are all of the same genre.... why is there such a separation?. But lists like this are a good place to ask, and get responses. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > >> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >> >> Coug. >> >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Yeah.....I think it is stupid....or ignorant, or uninformed, or whatever. we should all be on the same page. We have the same goals whether it be Fire Containment, Law Enforcement, or Emergency Medical Services.....we are all of the same genre.... why is there such a separation?. But lists like this are a good place to ask, and get responses. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > >> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >> >> Coug. >> >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Well....I was just referring, to what I see as a growing trend..... that if you are not a Paramedic.....then you are not a " Real Medic " at all. I disagree with this. On many levels. I feel that if you nave gone through training, and certified, regardless of experience, if you are part of the EMS system, you are EMS....period. Medic.....that should be evaluated by your peers. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " >> >>> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >>> >>> Coug. >>> >>> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >>> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2011 Report Share Posted June 28, 2011 Toni.... I was just saying that I have seen a movement towards EMT-B's that refer to them, as a whole, as " non-medics " because they are not EMT-P's. it is like the EMT-B is going the way of the ECA. Not even recognized anymore. Emt-B's ARE medics. Some more than others, but we are ALL " Medics " . I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " >> >>> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >>> >>> Coug. >>> >>> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >>> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 Thanks for the clarification. I only asked because I, personally, haven’t see it. I work on an EMT/Paramedic truck and our EMTs (either Basic or Intermediate) are a crucial part of the team. While I understand that there is this thing about referring to the lower levels as EMT and the paramedic as “medic†(as currently seen in a post on another forum), I believe we are all medical in what we do. Toni From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Cougar!! Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 10:45 PM To: texasems-l Subject: RE: I want to know Toni.... I was just saying that I have seen a movement towards EMT-B's that refer to them, as a whole, as " non-medics " because they are not EMT-P's. it is like the EMT-B is going the way of the ECA. Not even recognized anymore. Emt-B's ARE medics. Some more than others, but we are ALL " Medics " . I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " >> >>> Oh.....and I do mean " argument " on an adult level, a discussion. No offense to anyone, but there has been a recent trend towards EMT-B's being considered " non-medics " I disagree with this. Anyone care to talk about this? >>> >>> Coug. >>> >>> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, >>> You can keep the " CHANGE. " >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 On Wednesday, June 29, 2011 09:03, " Toni Crippen " toni_crippen@...> said: > Thanks for the clarification. I only asked because I, personally, haven’t > see it. I work on an EMT/Paramedic truck and our EMTs (either Basic or > Intermediate) are a crucial part of the team. While I understand that there is > this thing about referring to the lower levels as EMT and the paramedic as > “medic†(as currently seen in a post on another forum), I believe we > are all medical in what we do. Sure. And in public discussion, it's silly to quibble over semantics, since the public has not the slightest clue who or what any of us are. Medic, Paramedic, EMT, ambulance driver... they are all synonymous to the average man/woman/it on the street. Trying to educate them about the differences is pointless and futile. Unless it is a focused discussion with the community regarding EMS itself, requiring such specificity, I don't understand anyone getting worked up over it. Patients refer to everyone from a CNA to a Phd Nurse Practitioner as a " nurse " , and few nurses get bent out of shape over it. I certainly don't. On the other hand, discussion within the profession SHOULD be done with specificity. If I as a practitioner say I need medics, that does not mean that just anyone who shows up in an ambulance. It means paramedics. Just as if I were in the hospital and asked for a doctor, I would be pretty pissed if the sent me an PhD English professor. Context is everything. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I TOTALLY concur with this. But I also feel that we are all " Medics " Some with more ecperience than others..... but all medics. I just find it offensive to hear an EMT-B called a " non Medic " because they do not yet have a -P after it. How many times have we heard complaints from (All levels) personnel about being called " Ambulance Drivers " ? Same thing.... I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " Subject: RE: I want to know To: texasems-l Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 2:43 PM  On Wednesday, June 29, 2011 09:03, " Toni Crippen " toni_crippen@...> said: > Thanks for the clarification. I only asked because I, personally, haven’t > see it. I work on an EMT/Paramedic truck and our EMTs (either Basic or > Intermediate) are a crucial part of the team. While I understand that there is > this thing about referring to the lower levels as EMT and the paramedic as > “medic†(as currently seen in a post on another forum), I believe we > are all medical in what we do. Sure. And in public discussion, it's silly to quibble over semantics, since the public has not the slightest clue who or what any of us are. Medic, Paramedic, EMT, ambulance driver... they are all synonymous to the average man/woman/it on the street. Trying to educate them about the differences is pointless and futile. Unless it is a focused discussion with the community regarding EMS itself, requiring such specificity, I don't understand anyone getting worked up over it. Patients refer to everyone from a CNA to a Phd Nurse Practitioner as a " nurse " , and few nurses get bent out of shape over it. I certainly don't. On the other hand, discussion within the profession SHOULD be done with specificity. If I as a practitioner say I need medics, that does not mean that just anyone who shows up in an ambulance. It means paramedics. Just as if I were in the hospital and asked for a doctor, I would be pretty pissed if the sent me an PhD English professor. Context is everything. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2011 Report Share Posted June 29, 2011 I TOTALLY concur with this. But I also feel that we are all " Medics " Some with more ecperience than others..... but all medics. I just find it offensive to hear an EMT-B called a " non Medic " because they do not yet have a -P after it. How many times have we heard complaints from (All levels) personnel about being called " Ambulance Drivers " ? Same thing.... I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " Subject: RE: I want to know To: texasems-l Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 2:43 PM  On Wednesday, June 29, 2011 09:03, " Toni Crippen " toni_crippen@...> said: > Thanks for the clarification. I only asked because I, personally, haven’t > see it. I work on an EMT/Paramedic truck and our EMTs (either Basic or > Intermediate) are a crucial part of the team. While I understand that there is > this thing about referring to the lower levels as EMT and the paramedic as > “medic†(as currently seen in a post on another forum), I believe we > are all medical in what we do. Sure. And in public discussion, it's silly to quibble over semantics, since the public has not the slightest clue who or what any of us are. Medic, Paramedic, EMT, ambulance driver... they are all synonymous to the average man/woman/it on the street. Trying to educate them about the differences is pointless and futile. Unless it is a focused discussion with the community regarding EMS itself, requiring such specificity, I don't understand anyone getting worked up over it. Patients refer to everyone from a CNA to a Phd Nurse Practitioner as a " nurse " , and few nurses get bent out of shape over it. I certainly don't. On the other hand, discussion within the profession SHOULD be done with specificity. If I as a practitioner say I need medics, that does not mean that just anyone who shows up in an ambulance. It means paramedics. Just as if I were in the hospital and asked for a doctor, I would be pretty pissed if the sent me an PhD English professor. Context is everything. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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