Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 As far as I know, her current living arrangements should not make a difference. However, you do bring a good point about mental status. But I think that would have to be declared by a court, if her civil liberties are to be taken away. I would think. Coug. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with assault. > > Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > > ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > > Who is the President? > > What year is it?.....etc.... > > CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > > I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't even know what day it is!! :) > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 no ethical dilemma in most states...once the kids hit 16 or so, they are allowed to seek treatment for many conditions, including, but not limited to sexually transmitted diseases; pregnancy; drug, alcohol and nicotine problems; sexual, psychological, physical or emotional abuse; and often psych problems without having a parent's permission for treatment....payment is often another story...and some of the conditions require notification of the child welfare authorities. Speak to your medical director for more information in your state, as they should be aware of the limitations (and should include those limitations and exceptions in your standing orders!). some states allow this down to age 13 for some conditions, but require notification of child welfare authorities much sooner. ck In a message dated 01/07/11 13:50:11 Central Standard Time, amwoods8644@... writes: The ethical dilemma to involve her parents was probably also experienced by her PCP, but he landed on the side of treating her and allowing her her privacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 no ethical dilemma in most states...once the kids hit 16 or so, they are allowed to seek treatment for many conditions, including, but not limited to sexually transmitted diseases; pregnancy; drug, alcohol and nicotine problems; sexual, psychological, physical or emotional abuse; and often psych problems without having a parent's permission for treatment....payment is often another story...and some of the conditions require notification of the child welfare authorities. Speak to your medical director for more information in your state, as they should be aware of the limitations (and should include those limitations and exceptions in your standing orders!). some states allow this down to age 13 for some conditions, but require notification of child welfare authorities much sooner. ck In a message dated 01/07/11 13:50:11 Central Standard Time, amwoods8644@... writes: The ethical dilemma to involve her parents was probably also experienced by her PCP, but he landed on the side of treating her and allowing her her privacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Okay, time for a clue, I think. You've been examining her for a while, and at this point, for no apparent reason, she starts to cry uncontrollably. She continues to cry for about 3 minutes before suddenly stopping, reporting no sadness, and apologizing for the event. Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor > Say what? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > > > > Just because she is 18 does not make her an adult. She is still a student and lives with her parents. She cannot refuse if the parents want her treated. And I have not read anything about what her mental status is. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with assault. > >> > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > >> > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > >> > >> Who is the President? > >> > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > >> > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > >> > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't even know what day it is!! :) > >> > >> Coug. > >> > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm thinking there may be something hormonal going on, perhaps issues compounded by blood sugar, thyroid, ovaries (or one of the other organs that influences hormone production). If patient agrees, package and transport. Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator Substance Abuse Services Unit Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division Re: Scenario from Alyssa Okay, time for a clue, I think. You've been examining her for a while, and at this point, for no apparent reason, she starts to cry uncontrollably. She continues to cry for about 3 minutes before suddenly stopping, reporting no sadness, and apologizing for the event. Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor > Say what? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > > > > Just because she is 18 does not make her an adult. She is still a student and lives with her parents. She cannot refuse if the parents want her treated. And I have not read anything about what her mental status is. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with assault. > >> > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > >> > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > >> > >> Who is the President? > >> > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > >> > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > >> > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't even know what day it is!! :) > >> > >> Coug. > >> > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I'm thinking there may be something hormonal going on, perhaps issues compounded by blood sugar, thyroid, ovaries (or one of the other organs that influences hormone production). If patient agrees, package and transport. Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator Substance Abuse Services Unit Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division Re: Scenario from Alyssa Okay, time for a clue, I think. You've been examining her for a while, and at this point, for no apparent reason, she starts to cry uncontrollably. She continues to cry for about 3 minutes before suddenly stopping, reporting no sadness, and apologizing for the event. Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor > Say what? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > LNMolino@... > > > > > Just because she is 18 does not make her an adult. She is still a student and lives with her parents. She cannot refuse if the parents want her treated. And I have not read anything about what her mental status is. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with assault. > >> > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > >> > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > >> > >> Who is the President? > >> > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > >> > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > >> > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't even know what day it is!! :) > >> > >> Coug. > >> > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 She sounds bi-polar to me. But I personally cannot get past the fact that she is coherent, and has refused treatment. As a medic, that immediately shuts me down. Time to put on the counselor's hat. I would talk to her, Re-assure her that what ever is bothering her, there are people that can help. I don't think her condition is physically medical. I would try to talk her into going to get checked out. I would ask her if she had any thoughts of hurting herself. If she still refuses, I would have to leave, due to the refusal, but leave info with the parents of where to seek help. United Way, Continuum, MHMR, etc. I would ask them to keep an eye on her and look for indications that she may try to hurt herself. Obviously something has happened that is messing her up mentally. Only LE can act on a mental health issue. This is hard to figure out, over the computer, a personal conversation may reveal that she had been raped or something. At that point, if that was the case, I would bring in LE. Coug. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with assault. > >> > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > >> > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > >> > >> Who is the President? > >> > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > >> > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > >> > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't even know what day it is!! :) > >> > >> Coug. > >> > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 She sounds bi-polar to me. But I personally cannot get past the fact that she is coherent, and has refused treatment. As a medic, that immediately shuts me down. Time to put on the counselor's hat. I would talk to her, Re-assure her that what ever is bothering her, there are people that can help. I don't think her condition is physically medical. I would try to talk her into going to get checked out. I would ask her if she had any thoughts of hurting herself. If she still refuses, I would have to leave, due to the refusal, but leave info with the parents of where to seek help. United Way, Continuum, MHMR, etc. I would ask them to keep an eye on her and look for indications that she may try to hurt herself. Obviously something has happened that is messing her up mentally. Only LE can act on a mental health issue. This is hard to figure out, over the computer, a personal conversation may reveal that she had been raped or something. At that point, if that was the case, I would bring in LE. Coug. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with assault. > >> > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > >> > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > >> > >> Who is the President? > >> > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > >> > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > >> > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't even know what day it is!! :) > >> > >> Coug. > >> > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 the question came up as to when she was started on the antidepressant medications and the problems that might arise if this had happened *before* she was 18. ck In a message dated 01/07/11 15:35:06 Central Standard Time, aggiesrwe03@... writes: Ok I'm Confused, why are we arguing about whether her refusal is legal or not?? She is 18 the legal age of consent living with parents or not. On a side note punching a pt in the face during a water rescue is still being taught in swift water rescue, secondary to dunking them under the water. I think that's a rescuer safety issue. If you ask me pt. Starts drowning me with them, I'm gonna start swinging too. Better to deal with the law suit from a pt. That lived with a black eye than being on top of a fire truck in a funeral procession. Just my two cents! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > no ethical dilemma in most states...once the kids hit 16 or so, they are > allowed to seek treatment for many conditions, including, but not limited to > sexually transmitted diseases; pregnancy; drug, alcohol and nicotine > problems; sexual, psychological, physical or emotional abuse; and often psych > problems without having a parent's permission for treatment....payment is > often another story...and some of the conditions require notification of the > child welfare authorities. Speak to your medical director for more > information in your state, as they should be aware of the limitations (and should > include those limitations and exceptions in your standing orders!). > > some states allow this down to age 13 for some conditions, but require > notification of child welfare authorities much sooner. > > ck > > > In a message dated 01/07/11 13:50:11 Central Standard Time, > amwoods8644@... writes: > > The ethical dilemma to involve her parents was probably also experienced by > her PCP, but he landed on the side of treating her and allowing her her > privacy. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 the question came up as to when she was started on the antidepressant medications and the problems that might arise if this had happened *before* she was 18. ck In a message dated 01/07/11 15:35:06 Central Standard Time, aggiesrwe03@... writes: Ok I'm Confused, why are we arguing about whether her refusal is legal or not?? She is 18 the legal age of consent living with parents or not. On a side note punching a pt in the face during a water rescue is still being taught in swift water rescue, secondary to dunking them under the water. I think that's a rescuer safety issue. If you ask me pt. Starts drowning me with them, I'm gonna start swinging too. Better to deal with the law suit from a pt. That lived with a black eye than being on top of a fire truck in a funeral procession. Just my two cents! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > no ethical dilemma in most states...once the kids hit 16 or so, they are > allowed to seek treatment for many conditions, including, but not limited to > sexually transmitted diseases; pregnancy; drug, alcohol and nicotine > problems; sexual, psychological, physical or emotional abuse; and often psych > problems without having a parent's permission for treatment....payment is > often another story...and some of the conditions require notification of the > child welfare authorities. Speak to your medical director for more > information in your state, as they should be aware of the limitations (and should > include those limitations and exceptions in your standing orders!). > > some states allow this down to age 13 for some conditions, but require > notification of child welfare authorities much sooner. > > ck > > > In a message dated 01/07/11 13:50:11 Central Standard Time, > amwoods8644@... writes: > > The ethical dilemma to involve her parents was probably also experienced by > her PCP, but he landed on the side of treating her and allowing her her > privacy. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Not hormonal. Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:23 AM, " Sharp, Barry " barry.sharp@...> wrote: > I'm thinking there may be something hormonal going on, perhaps issues > compounded by blood sugar, thyroid, ovaries (or one of the other organs > that influences hormone production). If patient agrees, package and > transport. > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator > Substance Abuse Services Unit > Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division > > > Re: Scenario from Alyssa > > Okay, time for a clue, I think. > > You've been examining her for a while, and at this point, for no > apparent reason, she starts to cry uncontrollably. She continues to cry > for about 3 minutes before suddenly stopping, reporting no sadness, and > apologizing for the event. > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > CPR Instructor > > > > > > Say what? > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > > > > Just because she is 18 does not make her an adult. She is still a > student and lives with her parents. She cannot refuse if the parents > want her treated. And I have not read anything about what her mental > status is. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the > diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of > treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be > treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with > assault. > > >> > > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go > of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > > >> > > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > > >> > > >> Who is the President? > > >> > > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > > >> > > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > > >> > > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't > even know what day it is!! :) > > >> > > >> Coug. > > >> > > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Not hormonal. Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone On Jan 7, 2011, at 10:23 AM, " Sharp, Barry " barry.sharp@...> wrote: > I'm thinking there may be something hormonal going on, perhaps issues > compounded by blood sugar, thyroid, ovaries (or one of the other organs > that influences hormone production). If patient agrees, package and > transport. > > Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES > Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator > Substance Abuse Services Unit > Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division > > > Re: Scenario from Alyssa > > Okay, time for a clue, I think. > > You've been examining her for a while, and at this point, for no > apparent reason, she starts to cry uncontrollably. She continues to cry > for about 3 minutes before suddenly stopping, reporting no sadness, and > apologizing for the event. > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > CPR Instructor > > > > > > Say what? > > > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > > Please excuse any typos. > > (Cell) > > LNMolino@... > > > > > > > > > Just because she is 18 does not make her an adult. She is still a > student and lives with her parents. She cannot refuse if the parents > want her treated. And I have not read anything about what her mental > status is. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the > diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of > treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be > treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with > assault. > > >> > > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go > of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > > >> > > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > > >> > > >> Who is the President? > > >> > > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > > >> > > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > > >> > > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't > even know what day it is!! :) > > >> > > >> Coug. > > >> > > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Possibility of a mild electrical shock...from a faulty switch, wire, cord, etc? > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the > > diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of > > treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be > > treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with > > assault. > > > >> > > > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go > > of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > > > >> > > > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > > > >> > > > >> Who is the President? > > > >> > > > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > > > >> > > > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > > > >> > > > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't > > even know what day it is!! :) > > > >> > > > >> Coug. > > > >> > > > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Possibility of a mild electrical shock...from a faulty switch, wire, cord, etc? > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the > > diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of > > treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be > > treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with > > assault. > > > >> > > > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go > > of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > > > >> > > > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > > > >> > > > >> Who is the President? > > > >> > > > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > > > >> > > > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > > > >> > > > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't > > even know what day it is!! :) > > > >> > > > >> Coug. > > > >> > > > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > >> > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Ok so aside from the help establishing that she leads a healthy lifestyle, is it safe to say all the athlete talk was to throw us for a loop? Second I'm thinking lesion around her brainstem may explain tachycardia, and " anxiety attack " which may actually be an improper activation of the sympathetic nervous system? Am I anywhere even in the ballpark? -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 Ok so aside from the help establishing that she leads a healthy lifestyle, is it safe to say all the athlete talk was to throw us for a loop? Second I'm thinking lesion around her brainstem may explain tachycardia, and " anxiety attack " which may actually be an improper activation of the sympathetic nervous system? Am I anywhere even in the ballpark? -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 No electrical shock. Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > Possibility of a mild electrical shock...from a faulty switch, wire, cord, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the > > > diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of > > > treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be > > > treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with > > > assault. > > > > >> > > > > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go > > > of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > > > > >> > > > > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > > > > >> > > > > >> Who is the President? > > > > >> > > > > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > > > > >> > > > > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > > > > >> > > > > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't > > > even know what day it is!! :) > > > > >> > > > > >> Coug. > > > > >> > > > > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > > > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > > >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 No electrical shock. Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > Possibility of a mild electrical shock...from a faulty switch, wire, cord, etc? > > > > > > > > > > > >> You guys are all missing the basics. You are skipping to the > > > diagnosis, And most of you are coming up with WONDERFUL ideas of > > > treatment. But remember. the girl is 18 years old, and refusing to be > > > treated. If you even TOUCH her after that, you could be charged with > > > assault. > > > > >> > > > > >> Coming up with what could be wrong, is admirable, but don't let go > > > of our EMT basic training. She is 18 and said " Go Away " . > > > > >> > > > > >> ANY patient then can pass a basic mental exam.... > > > > >> > > > > >> Who is the President? > > > > >> > > > > >> What year is it?.....etc.... > > > > >> > > > > >> CANNOT be treated, if they refuse, and they are conscious. > > > > >> > > > > >> I hate the " what day is it? questions, cause sometimes " I " don't > > > even know what day it is!! :) > > > > >> > > > > >> Coug. > > > > >> > > > > >> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > > > >> You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > > >> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I like the words " sympathetic nervous system " . The lifestyle information is important - all of it. Boyfriend, athletics, gpa, age and ability to make her own decisions... I mean... Doesn't she just sound like the perfect kid? How many of those do we see? Good socioeconomic background, perfect grades, notable athlete... Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > Ok so aside from the help establishing that she leads a healthy lifestyle, is it safe to say all the athlete talk was to throw us for a loop? Second I'm thinking lesion around her brainstem may explain tachycardia, and " anxiety attack " which may actually be an improper activation of the sympathetic nervous system? Am I anywhere even in the ballpark? > > -Chris > > Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I like the words " sympathetic nervous system " . The lifestyle information is important - all of it. Boyfriend, athletics, gpa, age and ability to make her own decisions... I mean... Doesn't she just sound like the perfect kid? How many of those do we see? Good socioeconomic background, perfect grades, notable athlete... Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > Ok so aside from the help establishing that she leads a healthy lifestyle, is it safe to say all the athlete talk was to throw us for a loop? Second I'm thinking lesion around her brainstem may explain tachycardia, and " anxiety attack " which may actually be an improper activation of the sympathetic nervous system? Am I anywhere even in the ballpark? > > -Chris > > Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 You say she is athletic but how much does she weight?? -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > I like the words " sympathetic nervous system " . > > The lifestyle information is important - all of it. Boyfriend, athletics, gpa, age and ability to make her own decisions... > > I mean... Doesn't she just sound like the perfect kid? How many of those do we see? Good socioeconomic background, perfect grades, notable athlete... > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > CPR Instructor > > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > > >> Ok so aside from the help establishing that she leads a healthy lifestyle, is it safe to say all the athlete talk was to throw us for a loop? Second I'm thinking lesion around her brainstem may explain tachycardia, and " anxiety attack " which may actually be an improper activation of the sympathetic nervous system? Am I anywhere even in the ballpark? >> >> -Chris >> >> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone >> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 You say she is athletic but how much does she weight?? -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > I like the words " sympathetic nervous system " . > > The lifestyle information is important - all of it. Boyfriend, athletics, gpa, age and ability to make her own decisions... > > I mean... Doesn't she just sound like the perfect kid? How many of those do we see? Good socioeconomic background, perfect grades, notable athlete... > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > CPR Instructor > > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > > >> Ok so aside from the help establishing that she leads a healthy lifestyle, is it safe to say all the athlete talk was to throw us for a loop? Second I'm thinking lesion around her brainstem may explain tachycardia, and " anxiety attack " which may actually be an improper activation of the sympathetic nervous system? Am I anywhere even in the ballpark? >> >> -Chris >> >> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone >> >> >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2011 Report Share Posted January 7, 2011 I got it! she is actually a robot bulit by her parents to show off, like in that movie stepford wives. The " shocks " are short circuits. It explains everything; her grades, her being a super athlete, her 50's tv family like views on sex, etc. etc...... I guessed it didn't I LOL!! -Chris Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > You say she is athletic but how much does she weight?? > > -Chris > > > > Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone > > > >> I like the words " sympathetic nervous system " . >> >> The lifestyle information is important - all of it. Boyfriend, athletics, gpa, age and ability to make her own decisions... >> >> I mean... Doesn't she just sound like the perfect kid? How many of those do we see? Good socioeconomic background, perfect grades, notable athlete... >> >> Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B >> CPR Instructor >> >> >> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone >> >> >> >>> Ok so aside from the help establishing that she leads a healthy lifestyle, is it safe to say all the athlete talk was to throw us for a loop? Second I'm thinking lesion around her brainstem may explain tachycardia, and " anxiety attack " which may actually be an improper activation of the sympathetic nervous system? Am I anywhere even in the ballpark? >>> >>> -Chris >>> >>> Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on the tiny keyboard on my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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