Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Jane Call at Good Shepherd Med. Center He was at the roll out. You can call the main number and ask for his extension. Eddie In a message dated 10/17/2010 7:43:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, texas.paramedic@... writes: Ahhhh, I thought it was supposed to be rolled out but I hadn't heard for sure. I guess next I need to know if someone is offering a PHTLS instructor update within the next few months. Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: jimmnn@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:28:56 -0600 Subject: RE: PASG pants Believe the new PHTLS 7th edition was recently rolled out at the NAEMT conference in Dallas, anyone? Jim< RE: PASG pants It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Jane Call at Good Shepherd Med. Center He was at the roll out. You can call the main number and ask for his extension. Eddie In a message dated 10/17/2010 7:43:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, texas.paramedic@... writes: Ahhhh, I thought it was supposed to be rolled out but I hadn't heard for sure. I guess next I need to know if someone is offering a PHTLS instructor update within the next few months. Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: jimmnn@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:28:56 -0600 Subject: RE: PASG pants Believe the new PHTLS 7th edition was recently rolled out at the NAEMT conference in Dallas, anyone? Jim< RE: PASG pants It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Which leads me to ask, not to you, Jane, but to the EMS world at large: Why are we still training people on the PASG? Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P Skeptic, Grade IV PASG pants Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . Thanks, Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Which leads me to ask, not to you, Jane, but to the EMS world at large: Why are we still training people on the PASG? Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P Skeptic, Grade IV PASG pants Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . Thanks, Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I heard that PASG is making a comeback, but have been too busy to investigate that claim further. Plus, it's important to understand old treatments because some people don't do as much CE as they should (I was quizzed in pressure points by one department as a part of bleeding control, but never taught them, as a result of the latest curriculum.) Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor > Which leads me to ask, not to you, Jane, but to the EMS world at large: Why are we still training people on the PASG? > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P > Skeptic, Grade IV > > PASG pants > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . > > Thanks, > Jane Dinsmore > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I heard that PASG is making a comeback, but have been too busy to investigate that claim further. Plus, it's important to understand old treatments because some people don't do as much CE as they should (I was quizzed in pressure points by one department as a part of bleeding control, but never taught them, as a result of the latest curriculum.) Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B CPR Instructor > Which leads me to ask, not to you, Jane, but to the EMS world at large: Why are we still training people on the PASG? > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P > Skeptic, Grade IV > > PASG pants > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . > > Thanks, > Jane Dinsmore > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 They are on the skills list for Texas for folks who are recertifying as EMT-Basic but have let their certifications lapse or are having to have skills verified for various reasons. They were still in the last version of PHTLS (I haven't had the update yet and am not sure when that is set to transpire so I am unsure of whether they are still in that curriculum?). They are still in use in some systems. Jane Dinsmore > To: texasems-l > From: amwoods8644@... > Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:20:10 -0500 > Subject: Re: PASG pants > > I heard that PASG is making a comeback, but have been too busy to investigate that claim further. > > Plus, it's important to understand old treatments because some people don't do as much CE as they should (I was quizzed in pressure points by one department as a part of bleeding control, but never taught them, as a result of the latest curriculum.) > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > CPR Instructor > > > > > > > Which leads me to ask, not to you, Jane, but to the EMS world at large: Why are we still training people on the PASG? > > > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P > > Skeptic, Grade IV > > > > PASG pants > > > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . > > > > Thanks, > > Jane Dinsmore > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 > I was quizzed in pressure points by one department as a > part of bleeding control, but never taught them, as a result of the latest > curriculum. Is there a legitimate EMT school in this country that does NOT teach pressure points?? That's part of the 8 hour Red Cross curriculum! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 > I was quizzed in pressure points by one department as a > part of bleeding control, but never taught them, as a result of the latest > curriculum. Is there a legitimate EMT school in this country that does NOT teach pressure points?? That's part of the 8 hour Red Cross curriculum! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I realize that, and there still is no scientific evidence for their use, that I know of. Can anybody cite me a study showing improved outcomes with their use? GG PASG pants > > > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . > > > > Thanks, > > Jane Dinsmore > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 I realize that, and there still is no scientific evidence for their use, that I know of. Can anybody cite me a study showing improved outcomes with their use? GG PASG pants > > > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . > > > > Thanks, > > Jane Dinsmore > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Gene wrote: " ...studies? " (chirping crickets) Larry MS LP NMCEM Director, EMS Management Program Eastern New Mexico University - Portales �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ____________________________________________________________ Go Back to School Grant Funding May Be Available to Those Who Qualify http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cbb92412708d2cb406st03vuc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Gene wrote: " ...studies? " (chirping crickets) Larry MS LP NMCEM Director, EMS Management Program Eastern New Mexico University - Portales �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ____________________________________________________________ Go Back to School Grant Funding May Be Available to Those Who Qualify http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cbb92412708d2cb406st03vuc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: wegandy@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:14:29 -0400 Subject: Re: PASG pants Which leads me to ask, not to you, Jane, but to the EMS world at large: Why are we still training people on the PASG? Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P Skeptic, Grade IV PASG pants Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . Thanks, Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: wegandy@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 19:14:29 -0400 Subject: Re: PASG pants Which leads me to ask, not to you, Jane, but to the EMS world at large: Why are we still training people on the PASG? Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P Skeptic, Grade IV PASG pants Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . Thanks, Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Believe the new PHTLS 7th edition was recently rolled out at the NAEMT conference in Dallas, anyone? Jim< RE: PASG pants It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Believe the new PHTLS 7th edition was recently rolled out at the NAEMT conference in Dallas, anyone? Jim< RE: PASG pants It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Ahhhh, I thought it was supposed to be rolled out but I hadn't heard for sure. I guess next I need to know if someone is offering a PHTLS instructor update within the next few months. Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: jimmnn@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:28:56 -0600 Subject: RE: PASG pants Believe the new PHTLS 7th edition was recently rolled out at the NAEMT conference in Dallas, anyone? Jim< RE: PASG pants It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Ahhhh, I thought it was supposed to be rolled out but I hadn't heard for sure. I guess next I need to know if someone is offering a PHTLS instructor update within the next few months. Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: jimmnn@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:28:56 -0600 Subject: RE: PASG pants Believe the new PHTLS 7th edition was recently rolled out at the NAEMT conference in Dallas, anyone? Jim< RE: PASG pants It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Thanks, Eddie. I might do that if I don't find one closer. But does anyone know of one from DFW west? Or maybe one between Abilene and Austin? Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: PRECEPTER@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: Re: PASG pants Jane Call at Good Shepherd Med. Center He was at the roll out. You can call the main number and ask for his extension. Eddie In a message dated 10/17/2010 7:43:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, texas.paramedic@... writes: Ahhhh, I thought it was supposed to be rolled out but I hadn't heard for sure. I guess next I need to know if someone is offering a PHTLS instructor update within the next few months. Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: jimmnn@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:28:56 -0600 Subject: RE: PASG pants Believe the new PHTLS 7th edition was recently rolled out at the NAEMT conference in Dallas, anyone? Jim< RE: PASG pants It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 Thanks, Eddie. I might do that if I don't find one closer. But does anyone know of one from DFW west? Or maybe one between Abilene and Austin? Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: PRECEPTER@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 20:48:00 -0400 Subject: Re: PASG pants Jane Call at Good Shepherd Med. Center He was at the roll out. You can call the main number and ask for his extension. Eddie In a message dated 10/17/2010 7:43:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, texas.paramedic@... writes: Ahhhh, I thought it was supposed to be rolled out but I hadn't heard for sure. I guess next I need to know if someone is offering a PHTLS instructor update within the next few months. Jane Dinsmore To: texasems-l From: jimmnn@... Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:28:56 -0600 Subject: RE: PASG pants Believe the new PHTLS 7th edition was recently rolled out at the NAEMT conference in Dallas, anyone? Jim< RE: PASG pants It will be interesting to see if it is in the new PHTLS curriculum. Does anyone know? Jane Dinsmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2010 Report Share Posted October 17, 2010 It's one thing to teach what pressure points are and another thing to advocate their use to control hemorrhage. There are many things that one should know and understand in order to be a good practitioner and to understand the implications of various conditions and injuries. Understanding pressure points is " good to know " knowledge, but current practice does not indicate using them to stop a serious hemorrhage. Therefore, knowledge of pressure points probably is not essential although a part of what would normally be taught in an A&P course. There are many other examples. For example, at one time rotating tourniquets were thought to aid in suppression of hydrostatic pressure overload in heart failure patients with pulmonary edema. Nobody seriously advocates their use today that I know of, and their use has no scientific basis in valid studies that I have ever seen. Should we teach them? I have not heard that PASG is making a comeback. I have not read any literature or heard of any studies in progress that would lead to that happening. Again, I ask for anyone who has solid new evidence pointing to the efficacy of PASG to please post it. I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just asking folks to think critically about what we do. Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P EMS Educator Tucson PASG pants > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at programdirector@... . > > Thanks, > Jane Dinsmore > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 I was merely passing along some good, old-fashioned heresay. I would also love to see any studies, yet have not had the time to even search for them, due to what can only be described as " Terminal Scheduling Failure " . I'm not advocating teaching them as a part of necessary knowledge. Forgive the implication of my words; I could also say it's important to read Shakespeare with an eye for historical context, yet will probably continue to not read it at all. What I was attempting to convey is that I think it's useful information under certain circumstances (as is a lot of information). Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > It's one thing to teach what pressure points are and another thing to advocate their use to control hemorrhage. There are many things that one should know and understand in order to be a good practitioner and to understand the implications of various conditions and injuries. Understanding pressure points is " good to know " knowledge, but current practice does not indicate using them to stop a serious hemorrhage. Therefore, knowledge of pressure points probably is not essential although a part of what would normally be taught in an A&P course. There are many other examples. For example, at one time rotating tourniquets were thought to aid in suppression of hydrostatic pressure overload in heart failure patients with pulmonary edema. Nobody seriously advocates their use today that I know of, and their use has no scientific basis in valid studies that I have ever seen. Should we teach them? > > I have not heard that PASG is making a comeback. I have not read any literature or heard of any studies in progress that would lead to that happening. Again, I ask for anyone who has solid new evidence pointing to the efficacy of PASG to please post it. > > I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just asking folks to think critically about what we do. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P > EMS Educator > Tucson > > PASG pants > > > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work > for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at > programdirector@... . > > > > Thanks, > > Jane Dinsmore > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 I was merely passing along some good, old-fashioned heresay. I would also love to see any studies, yet have not had the time to even search for them, due to what can only be described as " Terminal Scheduling Failure " . I'm not advocating teaching them as a part of necessary knowledge. Forgive the implication of my words; I could also say it's important to read Shakespeare with an eye for historical context, yet will probably continue to not read it at all. What I was attempting to convey is that I think it's useful information under certain circumstances (as is a lot of information). Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > It's one thing to teach what pressure points are and another thing to advocate their use to control hemorrhage. There are many things that one should know and understand in order to be a good practitioner and to understand the implications of various conditions and injuries. Understanding pressure points is " good to know " knowledge, but current practice does not indicate using them to stop a serious hemorrhage. Therefore, knowledge of pressure points probably is not essential although a part of what would normally be taught in an A&P course. There are many other examples. For example, at one time rotating tourniquets were thought to aid in suppression of hydrostatic pressure overload in heart failure patients with pulmonary edema. Nobody seriously advocates their use today that I know of, and their use has no scientific basis in valid studies that I have ever seen. Should we teach them? > > I have not heard that PASG is making a comeback. I have not read any literature or heard of any studies in progress that would lead to that happening. Again, I ask for anyone who has solid new evidence pointing to the efficacy of PASG to please post it. > > I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just asking folks to think critically about what we do. > > Gene Gandy, JD, LP, NREMT-P > EMS Educator > Tucson > > PASG pants > > > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work > for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at > programdirector@... . > > > > Thanks, > > Jane Dinsmore > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2010 Report Share Posted October 18, 2010 Good hearsay is always great! Some of it even turns out to be true. You made your point well and clearly. One can never know too much. As for reading Shakespeare, I could never get into it. I opted for the Cliff Notes. LOL. GG PASG pants > > > > Does anyone out there have a set of adult PASG pants and pump that would work > for training that they would like to sell? If so, please email me at > programdirector@... . > > > > Thanks, > > Jane Dinsmore > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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