Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud case

[Guest guest]

Who owns southwest general services

Binkley

EMT-Paramedic

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Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

>> Fraud

>>> case

>>>

>>> To: texasems-l

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>>>

>>> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>>>

>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...

>> said:

>>>

>>>> What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

>> up

>>> on this

>>>

>>>> and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

>> target.

>>>

>>> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

>> police

>>> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>>>

>>> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>>>

>>> Rob

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Who owns southwest general services

Binkley

EMT-Paramedic

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

>> Fraud

>>> case

>>>

>>> To: texasems-l

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>>>

>>> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>>>

>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...

>> said:

>>>

>>>> What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

>> up

>>> on this

>>>

>>>> and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

>> target.

>>>

>>> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

>> police

>>> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>>>

>>> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>>>

>>> Rob

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Or EKG's, etc. That would be a tremendous mistake on the part of any EMS

provider because the ZPIC's, RAC's and feds all actively mine data from the

National Claims History database in D.C. They already know the frequency of

ALS procedures in the field. Thus, any increase in the use of same would put

a provider on their radar and expose them to audits, prepayment review

and other (not so desirable) sanctions.

Bob

>

>

> Wonder how many unnecessary IVs will be the byproduct of this suit?

>

> Wes Ogilvie

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

>

> On Jul 1, 2010, at 9:37, Bob Kellow

kellow.bob@...>

> wrote:

>

> > " The auditor that found the problem stands to make out financially from

> the

> > lawsuit, and he said 'he just wants his job back'. "

> >

> > Of course. The federal government handsomely rewards those who prosecute

> > violations of the False Claims Act on behalf of the governemnt. That's

> what

> > qui tam suits are all about.

> >

> > What's really alarming is all those EMS providers who believe that a

> > Priority 1 dispatch + a paramedic evaluation = ALS1 base rate billable

> > claim. An interesting element of this suit is the use of DSHS' rules that

> > define ALS and BLS, thereby restricting ALS1 coding to only those calls

> that

> > result in an ALS intervention or invasive procedure. I've never seen that

> > before.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Hatfield <

> > michaelwhatfield@... >

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> The auditor that found the problem stands to make out financially from

> the

> >> lawsuit, and he said 'he just wants his job back'.

> >>

> >> Hatfield

> >> " The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts

> >> but learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

> >> www.michaelwhatfield.net

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> From: rob.davis@...

40armynursecorps.com>

>> 40armynursecorps.com> <

> >>> rob.davis@...

40armynursecorps.com>

> >> 40armynursecorps.com>>

> >>>

> >>> Subject: Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

> >> Fraud

> >>> case

> >>>

> >>> To: texasems-l

40yahoogroups.com>

> >> 40yahoogroups.com>

> >>>

> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

> >>>

> >>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...

>

> >> said:

> >>>

> >>>> What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

> >> up

> >>> on this

> >>>

> >>>> and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

> >> target.

> >>>

> >>> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

> >> police

> >>> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

> >>>

> >>> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

> >>>

> >>> Rob

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Or EKG's, etc. That would be a tremendous mistake on the part of any EMS

provider because the ZPIC's, RAC's and feds all actively mine data from the

National Claims History database in D.C. They already know the frequency of

ALS procedures in the field. Thus, any increase in the use of same would put

a provider on their radar and expose them to audits, prepayment review

and other (not so desirable) sanctions.

Bob

>

>

> Wonder how many unnecessary IVs will be the byproduct of this suit?

>

> Wes Ogilvie

>

> Sent from my iPad

>

>

> On Jul 1, 2010, at 9:37, Bob Kellow

kellow.bob@...>

> wrote:

>

> > " The auditor that found the problem stands to make out financially from

> the

> > lawsuit, and he said 'he just wants his job back'. "

> >

> > Of course. The federal government handsomely rewards those who prosecute

> > violations of the False Claims Act on behalf of the governemnt. That's

> what

> > qui tam suits are all about.

> >

> > What's really alarming is all those EMS providers who believe that a

> > Priority 1 dispatch + a paramedic evaluation = ALS1 base rate billable

> > claim. An interesting element of this suit is the use of DSHS' rules that

> > define ALS and BLS, thereby restricting ALS1 coding to only those calls

> that

> > result in an ALS intervention or invasive procedure. I've never seen that

> > before.

> >

> > Bob

> >

> > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Hatfield <

> > michaelwhatfield@... >

> wrote:

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> The auditor that found the problem stands to make out financially from

> the

> >> lawsuit, and he said 'he just wants his job back'.

> >>

> >> Hatfield

> >> " The main part of intellectual education is not the acquisition of facts

> >> but learning how to make facts live. " - Oliver Wendell Holmes

> >> www.michaelwhatfield.net

> >>

> >>

> >>>

> >>> From: rob.davis@...

40armynursecorps.com>

>> 40armynursecorps.com> <

> >>> rob.davis@...

40armynursecorps.com>

> >> 40armynursecorps.com>>

> >>>

> >>> Subject: Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

> >> Fraud

> >>> case

> >>>

> >>> To: texasems-l

40yahoogroups.com>

> >> 40yahoogroups.com>

> >>>

> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

> >>>

> >>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...

>

> >> said:

> >>>

> >>>> What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

> >> up

> >>> on this

> >>>

> >>>> and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

> >> target.

> >>>

> >>> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

> >> police

> >>> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

> >>>

> >>> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

> >>>

> >>> Rob

> >>>

> >>>

[Guest guest]

Indeed. Also, now I have it on good authority that the FBI has visited some of

the departments who use Southwest General seeking information about billing.

The FBI does not investigate civil matters normally.

This could become very interesting.

G

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

> case

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

Indeed. Also, now I have it on good authority that the FBI has visited some of

the departments who use Southwest General seeking information about billing.

The FBI does not investigate civil matters normally.

This could become very interesting.

G

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

> case

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

Its listing with the Dallas Better Business Bureau lists Fothgill as CEO

and Fothgill as COO.

GG

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

>> Fraud

>>> case

>>>

>>> To: texasems-l

> 40yahoogroups.com>

>>>

>>> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>>>

>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...

>> said:

>>>

>>>> What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

>> up

>>> on this

>>>

>>>> and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

>> target.

>>>

>>> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

>> police

>>> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>>>

>>> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>>>

>>> Rob

>>>

>>>

[Guest guest]

Marilyn,

Maybe once the facts are out you can say some of those things but broadcast

statements like " And if it is happening to one it is happening to all of

their clients! " is a pretty strong assumption since ultimately what gets

billed for what is the responsibility of the service provider. Now if you were

to have any knowledge of this to be true I would suggest taking that to the

feds.

Also the statement " I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. " is an opinion that you are 100% entitled to both

have and express I tend to think that more often than not you will find a

certain level of collusion and that may or may not rise to the level of

criminal wrong doing on both sides. If that is the case (and considering the

FBI

is in the mix it sounds as if the feds at least think it is) then that

needs to be elevated to the criminal courts.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:40:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

mollarzabal@... writes:

I wonder how would I find out who those companies are so I could over them

extremely safe and reliable billing while they were trying to save

themselves during all of this. Surely they wouldn't want to continue with them.

This company has been in it for money not to make the services survive and be

there when needed. As a billing company and among the top ten in the US and

Mexico, I am totally appalled that this could be happening. And if it is

happening to one it is happening to all of their clients!

What a mess. And I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. Just wanted to say my thoughts.

Marilyn

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

Fraud

> case

>

> To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39, _wegandy1938@..._

(mailto:wegandy1938@...) said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

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>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>

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I wonder how would I find out who those companies are so I could over them

extremely safe and reliable billing while they were trying to save themselves

during all of this. Surely they wouldn't want to continue with them. This

company has been in it for money not to make the services survive and be there

when needed. As a billing company and among the top ten in the US and Mexico, I

am totally appalled that this could be happening. And if it is happening to one

it is happening to all of their clients!

What a mess. And I do believe the billing company should be held responsible!

Not the service. Just wanted to say my thoughts.

Marilyn

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

> case

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wonder how would I find out who those companies are so I could over them

extremely safe and reliable billing while they were trying to save themselves

during all of this. Surely they wouldn't want to continue with them. This

company has been in it for money not to make the services survive and be there

when needed. As a billing company and among the top ten in the US and Mexico, I

am totally appalled that this could be happening. And if it is happening to one

it is happening to all of their clients!

What a mess. And I do believe the billing company should be held responsible!

Not the service. Just wanted to say my thoughts.

Marilyn

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

> case

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

Having been involved in a similar situation a few years back, my thoughts and

prayers go out to those innocent employees and their families. Regardless of

the final outcome of all of this, the actions of a few will impact the lives of

many, and they will be forever changed. Greed and corruption have no place in

medicine or public service.

Sent from my iPhone,

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

Indeed. Also, now I have it on good authority that the FBI has visited some of

the departments who use Southwest General seeking information about billing. The

FBI does not investigate civil matters normally.

This could become very interesting.

G

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

> case

>

> To: texasems-l

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39,

wegandy1938@...said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

I find your use of 3 as the numbered bullet " innocent until proven guilty "

interesting.

Always thought that was the prime tenet of US law

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 11:05:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wegandy@... writes:

Let's remember some basics:

1. Because a suit is filed, it doesn't mean the plaintiffs can prove their

case. That remains to be seen.

2. Just because the FBI may be investigating does not mean that charges

will be filed. Some investigations do not uncover chargeable crimes, or the

U. S. Attorney may not think the evidence is sufficient to obtain a

conviction and decline prosecution.

3. All are innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

But also remember this: The burden of proof in a civil case is only to the

extent of a preponderance of the evidence ((50.00001 %), not beyond a

reasonable doubt as in a criminal case.

It may be many months or years before this all plays out.

Gene G.

-----Original Message-----

From: _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:58 pm

Subject: Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

case

Marilyn,

Maybe once the facts are out you can say some of those things but

broadcast

statements like " And if it is happening to one it is happening to all of

their clients! " is a pretty strong assumption since ultimately what gets

billed for what is the responsibility of the service provider. Now if you

were

to have any knowledge of this to be true I would suggest taking that to

the

feds.

Also the statement " I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. " is an opinion that you are 100% entitled to

both

have and express I tend to think that more often than not you will find a

certain level of collusion and that may or may not rise to the level of

criminal wrong doing on both sides. If that is the case (and considering

the FBI

is in the mix it sounds as if the feds at least think it is) then that

needs to be elevated to the criminal courts.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:40:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_mollarzabal@..._ (mailto:mollarzabal@...) writes:

I wonder how would I find out who those companies are so I could over them

extremely safe and reliable billing while they were trying to save

themselves during all of this. Surely they wouldn't want to continue with

them.

This company has been in it for money not to make the services survive and

be

there when needed. As a billing company and among the top ten in the US

and

Mexico, I am totally appalled that this could be happening. And if it is

happening to one it is happening to all of their clients!

What a mess. And I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. Just wanted to say my thoughts.

Marilyn

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

Fraud

> case

>

> To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _

(mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) )

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39, __wegandy1938@..._

(mailto:_wegandy1938@...) _

(mailto:_wegandy1938@..._ (mailto:wegandy1938@...) )

said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

I find your use of 3 as the numbered bullet " innocent until proven guilty "

interesting.

Always thought that was the prime tenet of US law

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 11:05:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wegandy@... writes:

Let's remember some basics:

1. Because a suit is filed, it doesn't mean the plaintiffs can prove their

case. That remains to be seen.

2. Just because the FBI may be investigating does not mean that charges

will be filed. Some investigations do not uncover chargeable crimes, or the

U. S. Attorney may not think the evidence is sufficient to obtain a

conviction and decline prosecution.

3. All are innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

But also remember this: The burden of proof in a civil case is only to the

extent of a preponderance of the evidence ((50.00001 %), not beyond a

reasonable doubt as in a criminal case.

It may be many months or years before this all plays out.

Gene G.

-----Original Message-----

From: _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 8:58 pm

Subject: Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

case

Marilyn,

Maybe once the facts are out you can say some of those things but

broadcast

statements like " And if it is happening to one it is happening to all of

their clients! " is a pretty strong assumption since ultimately what gets

billed for what is the responsibility of the service provider. Now if you

were

to have any knowledge of this to be true I would suggest taking that to

the

feds.

Also the statement " I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. " is an opinion that you are 100% entitled to

both

have and express I tend to think that more often than not you will find a

certain level of collusion and that may or may not rise to the level of

criminal wrong doing on both sides. If that is the case (and considering

the FBI

is in the mix it sounds as if the feds at least think it is) then that

needs to be elevated to the criminal courts.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:40:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_mollarzabal@..._ (mailto:mollarzabal@...) writes:

I wonder how would I find out who those companies are so I could over them

extremely safe and reliable billing while they were trying to save

themselves during all of this. Surely they wouldn't want to continue with

them.

This company has been in it for money not to make the services survive and

be

there when needed. As a billing company and among the top ten in the US

and

Mexico, I am totally appalled that this could be happening. And if it is

happening to one it is happening to all of their clients!

What a mess. And I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. Just wanted to say my thoughts.

Marilyn

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

Fraud

> case

>

> To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l ) _

(mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) )

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39, __wegandy1938@..._

(mailto:_wegandy1938@...) _

(mailto:_wegandy1938@..._ (mailto:wegandy1938@...) )

said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

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I am thinking Freudian Slip on your part Good Counselor.

My Girlfriends Mother was once called for Jury Duty in what was then a very

rural Hillsboro Texas area.It was a very heinous and publicized murder

case from the Big D, She told the judge she had the rope in her car, she did

not serve it happens ton the best of us

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 11:29:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

wegandy@... writes:

Ha. Well, not necessarily in that order.

G

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From: _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...)

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

Sent: Thu, Jul 1, 2010 9:08 pm

Subject: Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

case

I find your use of 3 as the numbered bullet " innocent until proven guilty "

interesting.

Always thought that was the prime tenet of US law

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 11:05:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

_wegandy@..._ (mailto:wegandy@...) writes:

Let's remember some basics:

1. Because a suit is filed, it doesn't mean the plaintiffs can prove their

case. That remains to be seen.

2. Just because the FBI may be investigating does not mean that charges

will be filed. Some investigations do not uncover chargeable crimes, or

the

U. S. Attorney may not think the evidence is sufficient to obtain a

conviction and decline prosecution.

3. All are innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

But also remember this: The burden of proof in a civil case is only to the

extent of a preponderance of the evidence ((50.00001 %), not beyond a

reasonable doubt as in a criminal case.

It may be many months or years before this all plays out.

Gene G.

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud

case

Marilyn,

Maybe once the facts are out you can say some of those things but

broadcast

statements like " And if it is happening to one it is happening to all of

their clients! " is a pretty strong assumption since ultimately what gets

billed for what is the responsibility of the service provider. Now if you

were

to have any knowledge of this to be true I would suggest taking that to

the

feds.

Also the statement " I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. " is an opinion that you are 100% entitled to

both

have and express I tend to think that more often than not you will find a

certain level of collusion and that may or may not rise to the level of

criminal wrong doing on both sides. If that is the case (and considering

the FBI

is in the mix it sounds as if the feds at least think it is) then that

needs to be elevated to the criminal courts.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

__LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _ (mailto:_LNMolino@..._

(mailto:LNMolino@...) )

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:40:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

__mollarzabal@..._ (mailto:_mollarzabal@...) _

(mailto:_mollarzabal@..._ (mailto:mollarzabal@...) ) writes:

I wonder how would I find out who those companies are so I could over them

extremely safe and reliable billing while they were trying to save

themselves during all of this. Surely they wouldn't want to continue with

them.

This company has been in it for money not to make the services survive and

be

there when needed. As a billing company and among the top ten in the US

and

Mexico, I am totally appalled that this could be happening. And if it is

happening to one it is happening to all of their clients!

What a mess. And I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. Just wanted to say my thoughts.

Marilyn

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

Fraud

> case

>

> To: ___texasems-l _ (mailto:__texasems-l )

_ (mailto:__texasems-l _

(mailto:_texasems-l ) ) _

(mailto:__texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l )

_ (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

) )

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39, ___wegandy1938@..._

(mailto:__wegandy1938@...) _

(mailto:__wegandy1938@..._ (mailto:_wegandy1938@...) ) _

(mailto:__wegandy1938@..._ (mailto:_wegandy1938@...) _

(mailto:_wegandy1938@..._ (mailto:wegandy1938@...) ) )

said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

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Let's remember some basics:

1. Because a suit is filed, it doesn't mean the plaintiffs can prove their

case. That remains to be seen.

2. Just because the FBI may be investigating does not mean that charges will be

filed. Some investigations do not uncover chargeable crimes, or the U. S.

Attorney may not think the evidence is sufficient to obtain a conviction and

decline prosecution.

3. All are innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

But also remember this: The burden of proof in a civil case is only to the

extent of a preponderance of the evidence ((50.00001 %), not beyond a reasonable

doubt as in a criminal case.

It may be many months or years before this all plays out.

Gene G.

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud case

Marilyn,

Maybe once the facts are out you can say some of those things but broadcast

statements like " And if it is happening to one it is happening to all of

their clients! " is a pretty strong assumption since ultimately what gets

billed for what is the responsibility of the service provider. Now if you were

to have any knowledge of this to be true I would suggest taking that to the

feds.

Also the statement " I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. " is an opinion that you are 100% entitled to both

have and express I tend to think that more often than not you will find a

certain level of collusion and that may or may not rise to the level of

criminal wrong doing on both sides. If that is the case (and considering the

FBI

is in the mix it sounds as if the feds at least think it is) then that

needs to be elevated to the criminal courts.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:40:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

mollarzabal@... writes:

I wonder how would I find out who those companies are so I could over them

extremely safe and reliable billing while they were trying to save

themselves during all of this. Surely they wouldn't want to continue with them.

This company has been in it for money not to make the services survive and be

there when needed. As a billing company and among the top ten in the US and

Mexico, I am totally appalled that this could be happening. And if it is

happening to one it is happening to all of their clients!

What a mess. And I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. Just wanted to say my thoughts.

Marilyn

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

Fraud

> case

>

> To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39, _wegandy1938@..._

(mailto:wegandy1938@...) said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

Let's remember some basics:

1. Because a suit is filed, it doesn't mean the plaintiffs can prove their

case. That remains to be seen.

2. Just because the FBI may be investigating does not mean that charges will be

filed. Some investigations do not uncover chargeable crimes, or the U. S.

Attorney may not think the evidence is sufficient to obtain a conviction and

decline prosecution.

3. All are innocent until proved guilty in a court of law.

But also remember this: The burden of proof in a civil case is only to the

extent of a preponderance of the evidence ((50.00001 %), not beyond a reasonable

doubt as in a criminal case.

It may be many months or years before this all plays out.

Gene G.

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare Fraud case

Marilyn,

Maybe once the facts are out you can say some of those things but broadcast

statements like " And if it is happening to one it is happening to all of

their clients! " is a pretty strong assumption since ultimately what gets

billed for what is the responsibility of the service provider. Now if you were

to have any knowledge of this to be true I would suggest taking that to the

feds.

Also the statement " I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. " is an opinion that you are 100% entitled to both

have and express I tend to think that more often than not you will find a

certain level of collusion and that may or may not rise to the level of

criminal wrong doing on both sides. If that is the case (and considering the

FBI

is in the mix it sounds as if the feds at least think it is) then that

needs to be elevated to the criminal courts.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/1/2010 10:40:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

mollarzabal@... writes:

I wonder how would I find out who those companies are so I could over them

extremely safe and reliable billing while they were trying to save

themselves during all of this. Surely they wouldn't want to continue with them.

This company has been in it for money not to make the services survive and be

there when needed. As a billing company and among the top ten in the US and

Mexico, I am totally appalled that this could be happening. And if it is

happening to one it is happening to all of their clients!

What a mess. And I do believe the billing company should be held

responsible! Not the service. Just wanted to say my thoughts.

Marilyn

Re: Breaking News: Dallas Fire Rescue Medicare

Fraud

> case

>

> To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

>

> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2010, 7:44 PM

>

> On Wednesday, June 30, 2010 21:39, _wegandy1938@..._

(mailto:wegandy1938@...) said:

>

> > What's going to be interesting is whether or not the US Attorney picks

up

> on this

>

> > and goes for criminal charges. The City Manager would be a great

target.

>

> Wait... don't get rid of her until she gets a chance to fire the new

police

> chief! Fire chief too, while she's at it.

>

> I wonder if Billie Myrick is the whistleblower?

>

> Rob

>

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