Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates (useful for forging identities) are public record. ck In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, ems_cougar@... writes: Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the actual death occurred in Louisiana. Coug. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates (useful for forging identities) are public record. ck In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, ems_cougar@... writes: Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the actual death occurred in Louisiana. Coug. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 That's just it,....we (DeDe and I) do not know where the death occurred, all we have is an obscure obit from Houston Chronical news paper, from 2008. I'm not trying to bring this mystery to the board, Just trying to find out if Death Records are considered public records, like medical records are considered " Public " records by HIPPA, if the person is dead. Was hoping Gene would jump on this one. We have verified his death, but thats it, and I did not know any of his family, just curious of the cause of death of my friend, and how to go about getting this info. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " Subject: Re: Privacy Question To: texasems-l Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 6:57 PM Â contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates (useful for forging identities) are public record. ck In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, ems_cougar@... writes: Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the actual death occurred in Louisiana. Coug. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 ok, then contact the central registry in Baton Rouge with the information you have (full name, birth date if possible, age if not, and approximate date of death)- they should be able to access an abstract that will allow you to figure out who to contact for more information. Grayson might be able to help you with some names and numbers- it's been 5 going on 6 years since I've been active down there. ck In a message dated 10/13/2011 9:58:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ems_cougar@... writes: That's just it,....we (DeDe and I) do not know where the death occurred, all we have is an obscure obit from Houston Chronical news paper, from 2008. I'm not trying to bring this mystery to the board, Just trying to find out if Death Records are considered public records, like medical records are considered " Public " records by HIPPA, if the person is dead. Was hoping Gene would jump on this one. We have verified his death, but thats it, and I did not know any of his family, just curious of the cause of death of my friend, and how to go about getting this info. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " S. Krin, DO Retired FM/EM/EMS Physician; Author and Educator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 ok, then contact the central registry in Baton Rouge with the information you have (full name, birth date if possible, age if not, and approximate date of death)- they should be able to access an abstract that will allow you to figure out who to contact for more information. Grayson might be able to help you with some names and numbers- it's been 5 going on 6 years since I've been active down there. ck In a message dated 10/13/2011 9:58:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ems_cougar@... writes: That's just it,....we (DeDe and I) do not know where the death occurred, all we have is an obscure obit from Houston Chronical news paper, from 2008. I'm not trying to bring this mystery to the board, Just trying to find out if Death Records are considered public records, like medical records are considered " Public " records by HIPPA, if the person is dead. Was hoping Gene would jump on this one. We have verified his death, but thats it, and I did not know any of his family, just curious of the cause of death of my friend, and how to go about getting this info. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " S. Krin, DO Retired FM/EM/EMS Physician; Author and Educator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 HIPAA not HIPPA does not have anything to do with death certificates. Death certificates are not a public record in Louisiana for 50 years after a death, they are not public records in most states. http://new.dhh.louisiana.gov/index.cfm/page/640 AJL Sent from my iPad > That's just it,....we (DeDe and I) do not know where the death occurred, all we have is an obscure obit from Houston Chronical news paper, from 2008. I'm not trying to bring this mystery to the board, Just trying to find out if Death Records are considered public records, like medical records are considered " Public " records by HIPPA, if the person is dead. Was hoping Gene would jump on this one. We have verified his death, but thats it, and I did not know any of his family, just curious of the cause of death of my friend, and how to go about getting this info. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > > > Subject: Re: Privacy Question > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 6:57 PM > > > > contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. > > I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates > > (useful for forging identities) are public record. > > ck > > In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, > > ems_cougar@... writes: > > Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being > > taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far > > as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to > > ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it > > possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing > > the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the > > actual death occurred in Louisiana. > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 HIPAA not HIPPA does not have anything to do with death certificates. Death certificates are not a public record in Louisiana for 50 years after a death, they are not public records in most states. http://new.dhh.louisiana.gov/index.cfm/page/640 AJL Sent from my iPad > That's just it,....we (DeDe and I) do not know where the death occurred, all we have is an obscure obit from Houston Chronical news paper, from 2008. I'm not trying to bring this mystery to the board, Just trying to find out if Death Records are considered public records, like medical records are considered " Public " records by HIPPA, if the person is dead. Was hoping Gene would jump on this one. We have verified his death, but thats it, and I did not know any of his family, just curious of the cause of death of my friend, and how to go about getting this info. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > > > Subject: Re: Privacy Question > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 6:57 PM > > > > contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. > > I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates > > (useful for forging identities) are public record. > > ck > > In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, > > ems_cougar@... writes: > > Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being > > taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far > > as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to > > ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it > > possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing > > the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the > > actual death occurred in Louisiana. > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 ok...I was under a misapprehension then, as I was able to access them when needed...but it was a rare event, and in a formal capacity. thank you for the correction. ck In a message dated 10/14/11 07:17:48 Central Daylight Time, ajl442@... writes: HIPAA not HIPPA does not have anything to do with death certificates. Death certificates are not a public record in Louisiana for 50 years after a death, they are not public records in most states. http://new.dhh.louisiana.gov/index.cfm/page/640 AJL Sent from my iPad > That's just it,....we (DeDe and I) do not know where the death occurred, all we have is an obscure obit from Houston Chronical news paper, from 2008. I'm not trying to bring this mystery to the board, Just trying to find out if Death Records are considered public records, like medical records are considered " Public " records by HIPPA, if the person is dead. Was hoping Gene would jump on this one. We have verified his death, but thats it, and I did not know any of his family, just curious of the cause of death of my friend, and how to go about getting this info. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > > > Subject: Re: Privacy Question > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 6:57 PM > > > > contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. > > I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates > > (useful for forging identities) are public record. > > ck > > In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, > > ems_cougar@... writes: > > Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being > > taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far > > as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to > > ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it > > possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing > > the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the > > actual death occurred in Louisiana. > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yeah, we noticed that a lot of the info does not show up for many years. findadeath.com has a LOT of death certificates online, for famous people. I could have sworn that Gene taught that decadents had no privacy rights. But then again, I also remembered the Law as Health Insurance Privacy and Portability Act, but you just proved me wrong on that one....it is Portability and Accountability Act. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > Subject: Re: Privacy Question > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 6:57 PM > > > > contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. > > I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates > > (useful for forging identities) are public record. > > ck > > In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, > > ems_cougar@... writes: > > Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being > > taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far > > as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to > > ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it > > possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing > > the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the > > actual death occurred in Louisiana. > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2011 Report Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yeah, we noticed that a lot of the info does not show up for many years. findadeath.com has a LOT of death certificates online, for famous people. I could have sworn that Gene taught that decadents had no privacy rights. But then again, I also remembered the Law as Health Insurance Privacy and Portability Act, but you just proved me wrong on that one....it is Portability and Accountability Act. I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > > Subject: Re: Privacy Question > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 6:57 PM > > > > contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. > > I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates > > (useful for forging identities) are public record. > > ck > > In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, > > ems_cougar@... writes: > > Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being > > taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far > > as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to > > ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it > > possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing > > the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the > > actual death occurred in Louisiana. > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Whether or not death certificates are public records varies from state to state and is governed by state law. At common law a dead body possessed no rights of any sort and become a chattel at the time of death, owned by the next of kin. There are interesting cases where a corpse was lost during shipping, and for the most part the damages that could be collected were limited to the value of the body as a piece of property. Usually the casket had more value than the body. There are over 200 privacy laws (probably way more than that) in the US and its 57 states (if you use Obama's count). I have not looked into all of them. Some of them may apply to medical information involving a dead patient. Hospitals will treat medical records as requiring authorization for release by the person having the legal power to do so, either the executor of a will or the administrator of the estate of the deceased. HIPAA simply handles records of deceased patients by requiring that the person seeking the records be the one authorized by state law to do so, and it leaves it up to the states to determine how that works. For example, in some instances the surviving children may not be the ones authorized to obtain the records if administration of the estate is proceeding in the courts. There can be conflicts among those claiming to have the legal right to the records, in which case the healthcare provider can ask the courts for clarification. Here is an informative article on the subject: http://journal.ahima.org/2009/08/04/rights-to-deceased-patient-records/ Gene Gandy Re: Privacy Question > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 6:57 PM > > > > contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. > > I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates > > (useful for forging identities) are public record. > > ck > > In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, > > ems_cougar@... writes: > > Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being > > taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far > > as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to > > ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it > > possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing > > the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the > > actual death occurred in Louisiana. > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Whether or not death certificates are public records varies from state to state and is governed by state law. At common law a dead body possessed no rights of any sort and become a chattel at the time of death, owned by the next of kin. There are interesting cases where a corpse was lost during shipping, and for the most part the damages that could be collected were limited to the value of the body as a piece of property. Usually the casket had more value than the body. There are over 200 privacy laws (probably way more than that) in the US and its 57 states (if you use Obama's count). I have not looked into all of them. Some of them may apply to medical information involving a dead patient. Hospitals will treat medical records as requiring authorization for release by the person having the legal power to do so, either the executor of a will or the administrator of the estate of the deceased. HIPAA simply handles records of deceased patients by requiring that the person seeking the records be the one authorized by state law to do so, and it leaves it up to the states to determine how that works. For example, in some instances the surviving children may not be the ones authorized to obtain the records if administration of the estate is proceeding in the courts. There can be conflicts among those claiming to have the legal right to the records, in which case the healthcare provider can ask the courts for clarification. Here is an informative article on the subject: http://journal.ahima.org/2009/08/04/rights-to-deceased-patient-records/ Gene Gandy Re: Privacy Question > To: texasems-l > Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 6:57 PM > > > > contact the health department of the parish in question and find out. > > I believe that death certificates, unlike certified birth certificates > > (useful for forging identities) are public record. > > ck > > In a message dated 10/13/11 18:55:09 Central Daylight Time, > > ems_cougar@... writes: > > Back when I was studying the privacy laws of HIPPA, I remember being > > taught (If I remember correctly) that a decedent, HAD no privacy rights, as far > > as records go. This question has NOTHING to do with EMS, but I wanted to > > ask it here, cause I have a feeling someone here might have the answer. Is it > > possible.....legally, ...to obtain a friend's death certificate, showing > > the cause of death, when you are not a relative? According to research, the > > actual death occurred in Louisiana. > > Coug. > > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY, > > You can keep the " CHANGE. " > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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