Guest guest Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 To be perfectly clear, I was saying that mandatory state protocols are a TERRIBLE IDEA, that they hold back progress, and that they are one of the reasons AZ EMS stinks. We will have collectively lost our minds if we ever allow Texas to adopt such a system. GG Re: new NR skills sheets >>>we do not have mandatory state protocols in Texas<<< Be careful about what you wish for (if that's what you're wishing for). Don >>> knavarro141 kenneth.navarro@...> 7/12/2011 8:08 AM >>> >>> Texas is not perfect by any means, but it's a whole lot closer to it than lots of other places. <<< And probably further away still than other places. >>> I attribute that in large measure to the fact that we do not have mandatory state protocols in Texas nor do we have a mandatory base hospital system. Those are the two worst aspects of EMS in Arizona and they kill any efforts to improve. <<< Are you talking about education or operations? I don't know of any educational prohibition against advanced anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, or alternative interventions. The only thing that prevents an instructor from introducing students to new concepts is inadequate instructor qualification and lack of preparation. But, that is what happens when you let third graders teach second grade. >>> " I have no need to know about that because it's not in protocol. " Now you get the idea. Never, for God's sake, let this happen in Texas. <<< That attitude is not unique to nurses or Arizona. Kenny Navarro Dallas =========================================================== This message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your computer. ETMC has implemented secure messaging for certain types of messages. For more information about our secure messaging system, go to: http://www.etmc.org/mail/ Thank you. =========================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 To be perfectly clear, I was saying that mandatory state protocols are a TERRIBLE IDEA, that they hold back progress, and that they are one of the reasons AZ EMS stinks. We will have collectively lost our minds if we ever allow Texas to adopt such a system. GG Re: new NR skills sheets >>>we do not have mandatory state protocols in Texas<<< Be careful about what you wish for (if that's what you're wishing for). Don >>> knavarro141 kenneth.navarro@...> 7/12/2011 8:08 AM >>> >>> Texas is not perfect by any means, but it's a whole lot closer to it than lots of other places. <<< And probably further away still than other places. >>> I attribute that in large measure to the fact that we do not have mandatory state protocols in Texas nor do we have a mandatory base hospital system. Those are the two worst aspects of EMS in Arizona and they kill any efforts to improve. <<< Are you talking about education or operations? I don't know of any educational prohibition against advanced anatomy, physiology, pathophysiology, or alternative interventions. The only thing that prevents an instructor from introducing students to new concepts is inadequate instructor qualification and lack of preparation. But, that is what happens when you let third graders teach second grade. >>> " I have no need to know about that because it's not in protocol. " Now you get the idea. Never, for God's sake, let this happen in Texas. <<< That attitude is not unique to nurses or Arizona. Kenny Navarro Dallas =========================================================== This message is confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you received this message in error, or are not the named recipient(s), please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your computer. ETMC has implemented secure messaging for certain types of messages. For more information about our secure messaging system, go to: http://www.etmc.org/mail/ Thank you. =========================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 And that is the case in AZ. They form the ceiling, not the base. G Re: Re: new NR skills sheets state mandates, national curricula, etc are only good if they function as *floors* and *minimal requirements.* Sadly, they are more often cast in stone as 'all that is acceptable' or 'all that is required.' ck In a message dated 07/12/11 10:08:21 Central Daylight Time, delbert@... writes: >>>we do not have mandatory state protocols in Texas<<< Be careful about what you wish for (if that's what you're wishing for). Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 And that is the case in AZ. They form the ceiling, not the base. G Re: Re: new NR skills sheets state mandates, national curricula, etc are only good if they function as *floors* and *minimal requirements.* Sadly, they are more often cast in stone as 'all that is acceptable' or 'all that is required.' ck In a message dated 07/12/11 10:08:21 Central Daylight Time, delbert@... writes: >>>we do not have mandatory state protocols in Texas<<< Be careful about what you wish for (if that's what you're wishing for). Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 And that is the case in AZ. They form the ceiling, not the base. G Re: Re: new NR skills sheets state mandates, national curricula, etc are only good if they function as *floors* and *minimal requirements.* Sadly, they are more often cast in stone as 'all that is acceptable' or 'all that is required.' ck In a message dated 07/12/11 10:08:21 Central Daylight Time, delbert@... writes: >>>we do not have mandatory state protocols in Texas<<< Be careful about what you wish for (if that's what you're wishing for). Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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