Re: Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

October 12, 2011

Honestly, this is probably a great response to the original question. There does

exist a subset of paramedics who aren't current on treatment modalities and have

little desire to become current. While I don't think that is necessarily an " old

v. new " issue, it is more difficult for " new " people to be out of date, and they

are generally more accepting of " book learnin'' " then older 'medics might be. It

may be wrong-headed and stupid, but we can't deny that people who don't want to

learn don't exist.

" Cougar " that wasn't all addressed specifically at you, as it is somewhat

admirable to be willing to retreat (even if only slightly) when so many decide

to throw the smack down. However, you need to get over the " reading " problem.

Using judgement is important when assessing research (because I do disagree with

Gene's statement that " science is science " ) but the judgement used isn't a

social skill of evaluating the speaker but rather evaluating the written study

for relevancy, bias, and omission. It's no surprise that you haven't developed

those skills, as honestly throughout all levels of medicine this is an area that

more often lip-service is paid then anything else. Research drives practice

though, so if you want to do best by your patients, it's important to read,

understand and evaluate the science.

Austin

> Cougar:

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> Did you read any of the scientific literature behind the new CPR changes?

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> -Wes Ogilvie

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> Gene,

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> I'll be going into much more schooling soon. I do look forward to discussing

the subject with some one who has more knowledge of the new way. Just right now.

I don't see it. BUT....that will prolly change, I just have a lot of questions

about it. Please do not think that I posted that as an argument. The guy asked

for opinions about old school v. new school, and well...I just gave him my

current opinion......which is not set in concrete, it is simply a current

opinion. To be honest. I have not yet talked with anyone who is in favor of the

new method, so that was not meant to be a " stance " on the subject, only how I

currently view it, and my reasoning behind my views. I have read about it but

have not yet had the op to actually discuss the pros and cons with anyone.

Looking forward to that.

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> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> You can keep the " CHANGE. "

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> Subject: Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

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> To: " texasems-L " texasems-L >

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> Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 8:08 PM

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> Peers,

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> I am writing a position paper and the topic is Old Medics vs. New Medics. I

understand " Old " is subjective, so let me just say I consider myself an old

medic (twentieth year). For those of you not familiar with a Position Essay let

me explain. Basically, there are two sides and each must be weighed objectively

and a conclusion made. You of course are permitted to make voice opinion, but

remember to substantiate your argument while being careful to weigh both sides

of the argument.

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> So, what I am asking of those of you willing to help me is your position on

" Old Medics vs. New Medics. " Tell me why one is better or worse than the other

and why. I sincerely appreciate the assistance. This should make for an

interesting discussion.

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> May the battle begin!

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> Tony , EMT-P

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> Old School

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October 13, 2011

Well, I am reading now. What prompted my " turned up nose " at the new CPR

protocols, is that bI was told, AND read, that they were changed, not based on

any scientific or medical basis, but another reason. They were changed on the

premise that " Any CPR is better than NO CPR. " And a mandate was sent down to

American Heart and ARC to simplify and combine all the levels, to one " across

the board " method for EVERYONE. It was in the hopes that if it was EASIER, then

more people would get certified. There was no longer a level A, B, C,....etc.

Back when I read that, it was 15-1 (or 2) across the board, adults and children.

Then I saw it go to 30, and I just went :PPPPPP!!! BUT......I am reading up

on it now, not finished with it yet. Before.......I read that the decisions were

made on only an " easier way " for people to learn it, not on a medical/science

basis. THAT was where I was basing my protest. I got a bunch of stuff going on

right now, so reading is

slow, but I will read it all, before I post again, on the subject.

Mike aka Cougar!!

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

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