Re: Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

[Guest guest]

Gene,

I'll be going into much more schooling soon. I do look forward to discussing the

subject with some one who has more knowledge of the new way. Just right now. I

don't see it. BUT....that will prolly change, I just have a lot of questions

about it. Please do not think that I posted that as an argument. The guy asked

for opinions about old school v. new school, and well....I just gave him my

current opinion......which is not set in concrete, it is simply a current

opinion. To be honest. I have not yet talked with anyone who is in favor of the

new method, so that was not meant to be a " stance " on the subject, only how I

currently view it, and my reasoning behind my views. I have read about it but

have not yet had the op to actually discuss the pros and cons with anyone.

Looking forward to that.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

Subject: Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

To: " texasems-L " texasems-L >

Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 8:08 PM

Peers,

I am writing a position paper and the topic is Old Medics vs. New Medics. I

understand " Old " is subjective, so let me just say I consider myself an old

medic (twentieth year). For those of you not familiar with a Position Essay let

me explain. Basically, there are two sides and each must be weighed objectively

and a conclusion made. You of course are permitted to make voice opinion, but

remember to substantiate your argument while being careful to weigh both sides

of the argument.

So, what I am asking of those of you willing to help me is your position on " Old

Medics vs. New Medics. " Tell me why one is better or worse than the other and

why. I sincerely appreciate the assistance. This should make for an

interesting discussion.

May the battle begin!

Tony , EMT-P

Old School

[Guest guest]

Coug,

Here's the paper that explains it.

http://www.clinicaldecisionmaking.com/sites/clinicaldecisionmaking.com/UserFiles\

/File/WEINGART-%20%20Ponte%20handout%202010.pdf Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

To: " texasems-L " texasems-L >

Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 8:08 PM

Peers,

I am writing a position paper and the topic is Old Medics vs. New Medics. I

understand " Old " is subjective, so let me just say I consider myself an old

medic (twentieth year). For those of you not familiar with a Position Essay let

me explain. Basically, there are two sides and each must be weighed objectively

and a conclusion made. You of course are permitted to make voice opinion, but

remember to substantiate your argument while being careful to weigh both sides

of the argument.

So, what I am asking of those of you willing to help me is your position on " Old

Medics vs. New Medics. " Tell me why one is better or worse than the other and

why. I sincerely appreciate the assistance. This should make for an

interesting discussion.

May the battle begin!

Tony , EMT-P

Old School

[Guest guest]

Cougar:

Did you read any of the scientific literature behind the new CPR changes?

-Wes Ogilvie

Gene,

I'll be going into much more schooling soon. I do look forward to discussing the

subject with some one who has more knowledge of the new way. Just right now. I

don't see it. BUT....that will prolly change, I just have a lot of questions

about it. Please do not think that I posted that as an argument. The guy asked

for opinions about old school v. new school, and well...I just gave him my

current opinion......which is not set in concrete, it is simply a current

opinion. To be honest. I have not yet talked with anyone who is in favor of the

new method, so that was not meant to be a " stance " on the subject, only how I

currently view it, and my reasoning behind my views. I have read about it but

have not yet had the op to actually discuss the pros and cons with anyone.

Looking forward to that.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

Subject: Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

To: " texasems-L " texasems-L >

Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 8:08 PM

Peers,

I am writing a position paper and the topic is Old Medics vs. New Medics. I

understand " Old " is subjective, so let me just say I consider myself an old

medic (twentieth year). For those of you not familiar with a Position Essay let

me explain. Basically, there are two sides and each must be weighed objectively

and a conclusion made. You of course are permitted to make voice opinion, but

remember to substantiate your argument while being careful to weigh both sides

of the argument.

So, what I am asking of those of you willing to help me is your position on " Old

Medics vs. New Medics. " Tell me why one is better or worse than the other and

why. I sincerely appreciate the assistance. This should make for an interesting

discussion.

May the battle begin!

Tony , EMT-P

Old School

[Guest guest]

Yes, I did, but it was a while back. Gene just sent me a link to study. I am

still looking forward to just sitting down and talking face to face with someone

about the issue though. Reading is great, but it does lack the ability of

actually knowing the person, hearing their tone.....being able to see the facial

expressions, and body language. Just reading print.....it is easy to

misinterpret what the person is really trying to say. That is why I enjoyed

" Lectures " so much, as opposed to reading text. But I will read the latest...on

the link that Gene sent me, I will hit that first thing in the morning.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

Subject: Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

To: " texasems-L " texasems-L >

Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 8:08 PM

Peers,

I am writing a position paper and the topic is Old Medics vs. New Medics. I

understand " Old " is subjective, so let me just say I consider myself an old

medic (twentieth year). For those of you not familiar with a Position Essay let

me explain. Basically, there are two sides and each must be weighed objectively

and a conclusion made. You of course are permitted to make voice opinion, but

remember to substantiate your argument while being careful to weigh both sides

of the argument.

So, what I am asking of those of you willing to help me is your position on " Old

Medics vs. New Medics. " Tell me why one is better or worse than the other and

why. I sincerely appreciate the assistance. This should make for an interesting

discussion.

May the battle begin!

Tony , EMT-P

Old School

[Guest guest]

Yes, I did, but it was a while back. Gene just sent me a link to study. I am

still looking forward to just sitting down and talking face to face with someone

about the issue though. Reading is great, but it does lack the ability of

actually knowing the person, hearing their tone.....being able to see the facial

expressions, and body language. Just reading print.....it is easy to

misinterpret what the person is really trying to say. That is why I enjoyed

" Lectures " so much, as opposed to reading text. But I will read the latest...on

the link that Gene sent me, I will hit that first thing in the morning.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

Subject: Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

To: " texasems-L " texasems-L >

Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 8:08 PM

Peers,

I am writing a position paper and the topic is Old Medics vs. New Medics. I

understand " Old " is subjective, so let me just say I consider myself an old

medic (twentieth year). For those of you not familiar with a Position Essay let

me explain. Basically, there are two sides and each must be weighed objectively

and a conclusion made. You of course are permitted to make voice opinion, but

remember to substantiate your argument while being careful to weigh both sides

of the argument.

So, what I am asking of those of you willing to help me is your position on " Old

Medics vs. New Medics. " Tell me why one is better or worse than the other and

why. I sincerely appreciate the assistance. This should make for an interesting

discussion.

May the battle begin!

Tony , EMT-P

Old School

[Guest guest]

Honestly, this is probably a great response to the original question. There does

exist a subset of paramedics who aren't current on treatment modalities and have

little desire to become current. While I don't think that is necessarily an " old

v. new " issue, it is more difficult for " new " people to be out of date, and they

are generally more accepting of " book learnin'' " then older 'medics might be. It

may be wrong-headed and stupid, but we can't deny that people who don't want to

learn don't exist.

" Cougar " that wasn't all addressed specifically at you, as it is somewhat

admirable to be willing to retreat (even if only slightly) when so many decide

to throw the smack down. However, you need to get over the " reading " problem.

Using judgement is important when assessing research (because I do disagree with

Gene's statement that " science is science " ) but the judgement used isn't a

social skill of evaluating the speaker but rather evaluating the written study

for relevancy, bias, and omission. It's no surprise that you haven't developed

those skills, as honestly throughout all levels of medicine this is an area that

more often lip-service is paid then anything else. Research drives practice

though, so if you want to do best by your patients, it's important to read,

understand and evaluate the science.

Austin

> Cougar:

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> Did you read any of the scientific literature behind the new CPR changes?

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> -Wes Ogilvie

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> Gene,

>

> I'll be going into much more schooling soon. I do look forward to discussing

the subject with some one who has more knowledge of the new way. Just right now.

I don't see it. BUT....that will prolly change, I just have a lot of questions

about it. Please do not think that I posted that as an argument. The guy asked

for opinions about old school v. new school, and well...I just gave him my

current opinion......which is not set in concrete, it is simply a current

opinion. To be honest. I have not yet talked with anyone who is in favor of the

new method, so that was not meant to be a " stance " on the subject, only how I

currently view it, and my reasoning behind my views. I have read about it but

have not yet had the op to actually discuss the pros and cons with anyone.

Looking forward to that.

>

> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Position Paper: Old Medics vs. New Medics

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> To: " texasems-L " texasems-L >

>

> Date: Wednesday, October 5, 2011, 8:08 PM

>

> Peers,

>

> I am writing a position paper and the topic is Old Medics vs. New Medics. I

understand " Old " is subjective, so let me just say I consider myself an old

medic (twentieth year). For those of you not familiar with a Position Essay let

me explain. Basically, there are two sides and each must be weighed objectively

and a conclusion made. You of course are permitted to make voice opinion, but

remember to substantiate your argument while being careful to weigh both sides

of the argument.

>

> So, what I am asking of those of you willing to help me is your position on

" Old Medics vs. New Medics. " Tell me why one is better or worse than the other

and why. I sincerely appreciate the assistance. This should make for an

interesting discussion.

>

> May the battle begin!

>

> Tony , EMT-P

>

> Old School

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