RE: top ems gagets of all time

[Guest guest]

I feel your pain Dave. I am a card carrying member of that group too.

Bernie Stafford

EMT in 1974

Medic since 1980

Re: top ems gagets of all time

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> Barry when did you start in EMS?

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> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

>

> Training Program Manager

> Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

>

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

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> Please excuse any typos.

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> (Office)

> (Office Fax)

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> LNMolino@...

> Lou@...

[Guest guest]

A carpenter's pencil worked well

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Re: top ems gagets of all time

> >

> > you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

> > Splint...

> >

> > ck

> >

> > In a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

> > barry.sharp@...

> >

> >

> > writes:

> >

> > But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my

> > colleagues on this list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do

> > the half-ring as part of my state certification test in front

> > of a TDH skills examiner for ECA as a senior in high school.)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Doc,

I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes to place on

the patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

time spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board

splints and rapid transport. Oh well we live and learn. As Wes said in 20 or

30 years someone on this list will make fun of the technology of today.

BTW I have only used a traction splint of any brand or style 5 times in my

over 30 years of EMS. I suspect that these devices may have seen there day

and time.

Bernie

Re: top ems gagets of all time

you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

Splint...

ck

In a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

barry.sharp@...

writes:

But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

this list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

as part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner

for ECA as a senior in high school.)

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[Guest guest]

I once had a guy claim to have put on a traction splint over 30 times on his 20

years in EMS. I figure his service had the highest per capita single point femur

fracture rate on the planet or he's an idiot that puts them on everything.

I've seen dozens of likely busted femurs but mist are not single point.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

On Aug 26, 2011, at 14:51, " Bernie Stafford " staffdoc9109@...>

wrote:

> Doc,

>

> I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes to place on

> the patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

> time spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board

> splints and rapid transport. Oh well we live and learn. As Wes said in 20 or

> 30 years someone on this list will make fun of the technology of today.

> BTW I have only used a traction splint of any brand or style 5 times in my

> over 30 years of EMS. I suspect that these devices may have seen there day

> and time.

> Bernie

>

> Re: top ems gagets of all time

>

> you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

> Splint...

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

> barry.sharp@...

> writes:

>

> But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

> this list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

> as part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner

> for ECA as a senior in high school.)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I once had a guy claim to have put on a traction splint over 30 times on his 20

years in EMS. I figure his service had the highest per capita single point femur

fracture rate on the planet or he's an idiot that puts them on everything.

I've seen dozens of likely busted femurs but mist are not single point.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Training Program Manager

Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc.

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

(Office)

(Office Fax)

LNMolino@...

Lou@...

On Aug 26, 2011, at 14:51, " Bernie Stafford " staffdoc9109@...>

wrote:

> Doc,

>

> I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes to place on

> the patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

> time spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board

> splints and rapid transport. Oh well we live and learn. As Wes said in 20 or

> 30 years someone on this list will make fun of the technology of today.

> BTW I have only used a traction splint of any brand or style 5 times in my

> over 30 years of EMS. I suspect that these devices may have seen there day

> and time.

> Bernie

>

> Re: top ems gagets of all time

>

> you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

> Splint...

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

> barry.sharp@...

> writes:

>

> But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

> this list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

> as part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner

> for ECA as a senior in high school.)

>

>

[Guest guest]

Bernie wrote: " I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes

to place on

the patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

time spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board

splints and rapid transport. " Twice on patients in 30+ years, myself. A

(or other traction splints) may have had their place in the battlefields of WW1,

but we have gotten way past that now. Today, battle field casualties receive

initial treatment (including surgery) and are on their way from Afghanistan to

Germany in the time it used to take to get casualties from the trenches to the

closest field hospitals in WW1. �The ignorance of one voter in a

democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963

----- Re: top ems gagets of all time

you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

Splint...

ck

In a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

barry.sharp@...

writes:

But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

this list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

as part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner

for ECA as a senior in high school.)

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[Guest guest]

Bernie wrote: " I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes

to place on

the patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

time spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board

splints and rapid transport. " Twice on patients in 30+ years, myself. A

(or other traction splints) may have had their place in the battlefields of WW1,

but we have gotten way past that now. Today, battle field casualties receive

initial treatment (including surgery) and are on their way from Afghanistan to

Germany in the time it used to take to get casualties from the trenches to the

closest field hospitals in WW1. �The ignorance of one voter in a

democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963

----- Re: top ems gagets of all time

you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

Splint...

ck

In a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

barry.sharp@...

writes:

But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

this list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

as part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner

for ECA as a senior in high school.)

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[Guest guest]

I remember having to state skills test on the thomas half ring when I went to

basic EMT back in 1977!

RE: top ems gagets of all time

Doc,

I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes to place on

he patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

ime spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board

plints and rapid transport. Oh well we live and learn. As Wes said in 20 or

0 years someone on this list will make fun of the technology of today.

TW I have only used a traction splint of any brand or style 5 times in my

ver 30 years of EMS. I suspect that these devices may have seen there day

nd time.

ernie

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rom: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

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ent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:24 PM

o: texasems-l

ubject: Re: top ems gagets of all time

eh...the big problem with the full ring splint was how to maintain traction

hile slipping the ring up the leg....

ever had to use it on a (real) patient, but one of the old orthopods

nsisted we learn to use it 'just in case we ran out of anything else....'

k

n a message dated 08/26/11 10:21:00 Central Daylight Time,

arry.sharp@... writes:

I bow in the presence of my learned elders from whom I can learn at their

eet.

I never got to play with that but heard stories. I thought we were in

eaven when the Hare came out, I can only imagine how those who played with

he ring must have felt.

arry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, MCHES

Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator

Substance Abuse Services Unit

Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

ehalf Of krin135@...

ent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:01 AM

o: texasems-l

ubject: Re: top ems gagets of all time

you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

plint...

ck

n a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

arry.sharp@...

rites:

But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

his list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

s part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner

or ECA as a senior in high school.)

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[Guest guest]

I used a half-ring only once, and that was in 1970. I seem to recall

that the pavement was hot; unpacking and configuring all of the cravats took

an eternity; the LEO's were constantly yelling at us to hurry up; and, the

transport time to Arlington Memorial was about 3 minutes. At least I can say

that I did it once - as primitive as it was at the time.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Bernie Stafford staffdoc9109@...

> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Doc,

>

> I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes to place

> on

> the patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount

> of

> time spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board

> splints and rapid transport. Oh well we live and learn. As Wes said in 20

> or

> 30 years someone on this list will make fun of the technology of today.

> BTW I have only used a traction splint of any brand or style 5 times in my

> over 30 years of EMS. I suspect that these devices may have seen there day

> and time.

> Bernie

>

> Re: top ems gagets of all time

>

> you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

> Splint...

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

> barry.sharp@...

> writes:

>

> But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

> this list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

> as part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner

> for ECA as a senior in high school.)

>

>

[Guest guest]

I remember the names of my state examiners, Larry and Rick Murry!

Bernie

RE: top ems gagets of all time

Doc,

I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes to place on

he patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

ime spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board plints

and rapid transport. Oh well we live and learn. As Wes said in 20 or

0 years someone on this list will make fun of the technology of today.

TW I have only used a traction splint of any brand or style 5 times in my

ver 30 years of EMS. I suspect that these devices may have seen there day

nd time.

ernie

-----Original Message-----

rom: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On ehalf

Of krin135@...

ent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:24 PM

o: texasems-l

ubject: Re: top ems gagets of all time eh...the big problem

with the full ring splint was how to maintain traction hile slipping the

ring up the leg....

ever had to use it on a (real) patient, but one of the old orthopods nsisted

we learn to use it 'just in case we ran out of anything else....'

k

n a message dated 08/26/11 10:21:00 Central Daylight Time,

arry.sharp@... writes:

I bow in the presence of my learned elders from whom I can learn at their

eet.

I never got to play with that but heard stories. I thought we were in eaven

when the Hare came out, I can only imagine how those who played with he

ring must have felt.

arry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, MCHES

Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator Substance Abuse Services

Unit Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

ehalf Of krin135@...

ent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:01 AM

o: texasems-l

ubject: Re: top ems gagets of all time

you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

plint...

ck

n a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

arry.sharp@...

rites:

But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

his list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

s part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner or

ECA as a senior in high school.) [Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]

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[Guest guest]

I remember the names of my state examiners, Larry and Rick Murry!

Bernie

RE: top ems gagets of all time

Doc,

I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes to place on

he patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

ime spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board plints

and rapid transport. Oh well we live and learn. As Wes said in 20 or

0 years someone on this list will make fun of the technology of today.

TW I have only used a traction splint of any brand or style 5 times in my

ver 30 years of EMS. I suspect that these devices may have seen there day

nd time.

ernie

-----Original Message-----

rom: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On ehalf

Of krin135@...

ent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:24 PM

o: texasems-l

ubject: Re: top ems gagets of all time eh...the big problem

with the full ring splint was how to maintain traction hile slipping the

ring up the leg....

ever had to use it on a (real) patient, but one of the old orthopods nsisted

we learn to use it 'just in case we ran out of anything else....'

k

n a message dated 08/26/11 10:21:00 Central Daylight Time,

arry.sharp@... writes:

I bow in the presence of my learned elders from whom I can learn at their

eet.

I never got to play with that but heard stories. I thought we were in eaven

when the Hare came out, I can only imagine how those who played with he

ring must have felt.

arry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, MCHES

Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator Substance Abuse Services

Unit Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

ehalf Of krin135@...

ent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:01 AM

o: texasems-l

ubject: Re: top ems gagets of all time

you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

plint...

ck

n a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

arry.sharp@...

rites:

But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

his list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

s part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner or

ECA as a senior in high school.) [Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]

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[Guest guest]

I remember the names of my state examiners, Larry and Rick Murry!

Bernie

RE: top ems gagets of all time

Doc,

I can say I used one on a patient once. It took about 20 minutes to place on

he patient and the windless had be tighten several times. For the amount of

ime spent, in hind sight it would have been better to have used board plints

and rapid transport. Oh well we live and learn. As Wes said in 20 or

0 years someone on this list will make fun of the technology of today.

TW I have only used a traction splint of any brand or style 5 times in my

ver 30 years of EMS. I suspect that these devices may have seen there day

nd time.

ernie

-----Original Message-----

rom: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On ehalf

Of krin135@...

ent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:24 PM

o: texasems-l

ubject: Re: top ems gagets of all time eh...the big problem

with the full ring splint was how to maintain traction hile slipping the

ring up the leg....

ever had to use it on a (real) patient, but one of the old orthopods nsisted

we learn to use it 'just in case we ran out of anything else....'

k

n a message dated 08/26/11 10:21:00 Central Daylight Time,

arry.sharp@... writes:

I bow in the presence of my learned elders from whom I can learn at their

eet.

I never got to play with that but heard stories. I thought we were in eaven

when the Hare came out, I can only imagine how those who played with he

ring must have felt.

arry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, MCHES

Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator Substance Abuse Services

Unit Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

ehalf Of krin135@...

ent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:01 AM

o: texasems-l

ubject: Re: top ems gagets of all time

you are not old unless you have played with the original Ring

plint...

ck

n a message dated 08/26/11 09:52:28 Central Daylight Time,

arry.sharp@...

rites:

But, I admit, I'm a very young Dino compared to some of my colleagues on

his list. (But I am old enough to recall having to do the half-ring

s part of my state certification test in front of a TDH skills examiner or

ECA as a senior in high school.) [Non-text portions of this message have

been removed]

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