Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 if it is, then it's one that neither you, me, Gene, Donn, Henry or a bunch of others ever managed to attain. ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 17:54:00 Central Daylight Time, lnmolino@... writes: Is Cute Medic a new level of certification? Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) > wrote: > I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) > about something called vascular flush. > > I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a > minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I > would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that > the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected > area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away > more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular > flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing > the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. > > However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you > should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and > challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. > > I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The > only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - > I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. > > However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and > a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - > > What does everyone here think? > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 cutesy, not cute, ! unless you are playing an inebriated patron in a drinking establishment of uncertain patronage.... cf The Blue Oyster Bar... ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 20:06:41 Central Daylight Time, Grayson902@... writes: As opposed to me, who has been a cute medic since EMT school. _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) wrote: > > > if it is, then it's one that neither you, me, Gene, Donn, Henry or a > bunch > of others ever managed to attain. > > ck > > > In a message dated 7/3/2010 17:54:00 Central Daylight Time, > _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) writes: > > Is Cute Medic a new level of certification? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > __LNMolino@..._ (mailto:_LNMolino@...) _ > (mailto:_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) < mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com>) > > On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods __amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:_amwoods8644@...) > _ > (mailto:_amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) ) > wrote: > > > I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) > > about something called vascular flush. > > > > I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a > > minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I > > would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that > > the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected > > area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away > > more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular > > flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing > > the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. > > > > However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you > > should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and > > challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. > > > > I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The > > only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - > > I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. > > > > However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and > > a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - > > > > What does everyone here think? > > > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > -- Grayson www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Is Cute Medic a new level of certification? Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) > about something called vascular flush. > > I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a > minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I > would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that > the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected > area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away > more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular > flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing > the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. > > However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you > should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and > challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. > > I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The > only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - > I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. > > However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and > a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - > > What does everyone here think? > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Is Cute Medic a new level of certification? Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) LNMolino@... > I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) > about something called vascular flush. > > I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a > minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I > would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that > the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected > area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away > more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular > flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing > the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. > > However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you > should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and > challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. > > I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The > only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - > I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. > > However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and > a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - > > What does everyone here think? > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 If you look what the NFL does ice pack and whirlpool. Think its along the same line. Just got the ice and heat out of order. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Vascular Flush I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - What does everyone here think? Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 If it is, where can I sign up to teach the refreshers! -Brad Sent via BlackBerry, the office that follows you. Re: Vascular Flush if it is, then it's one that neither you, me, Gene, Donn, Henry or a bunch of others ever managed to attain. ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 17:54:00 Central Daylight Time, lnmolino@... writes: Is Cute Medic a new level of certification? Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...) On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) > wrote: > I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) > about something called vascular flush. > > I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a > minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I > would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that > the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected > area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away > more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular > flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing > the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. > > However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you > should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and > challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. > > I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The > only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - > I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. > > However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and > a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - > > What does everyone here think? > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 As opposed to me, who has been a cute medic since EMT school. krin135@... wrote: > > > if it is, then it's one that neither you, me, Gene, Donn, Henry or a > bunch > of others ever managed to attain. > > ck > > > In a message dated 7/3/2010 17:54:00 Central Daylight Time, > lnmolino@... writes: > > Is Cute Medic a new level of certification? > > Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET > FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI > Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. > Please excuse any typos. > (Cell) > _LNMolino@... _ > (mailto:LNMolino@... ) > > On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@... > _ > (mailto:amwoods8644@... ) > wrote: > > > I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) > > about something called vascular flush. > > > > I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a > > minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I > > would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that > > the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected > > area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away > > more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular > > flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing > > the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. > > > > However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you > > should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and > > challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. > > > > I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The > > only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - > > I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. > > > > However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and > > a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - > > > > What does everyone here think? > > > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 In humility, you must be #1! As opposed to me, who has been a cute medic since EMT school. krin135@... wrote: > > > if it is, then it's one that neither you, me, Gene, Donn, Henry or a... > lnmolino@... > writes: > > Is Cute Medic a new level of certificatio... > _LNMolino@... <_LNMolino%40aol.com> _ > (mailto:LNMolino@... >) > > On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@... > _ > (mailto:amwoods8644@... >) > wrote: > > > I was having a bit... -- Grayson www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 I'm a very humble, self-effacing man, Bob. In fact, get a beer or two in me, and I'll spend hours telling you how humble and self-effacing I am. Bob Kellow wrote: > In humility, you must be #1! > > > > > > As opposed to me, who has been a cute medic since EMT school. > > krin135@... wrote: > > > if it is, then it's one that neither you, me, > Gene, Donn, Henry or a... > > >> lnmolino@... > >> > writes: > > Is Cute Medic a new level of certificatio... > >> _LNMolino@... <_LNMolino%40aol.com> _ >> (mailto:LNMolino@... >> ) >> > > >>> On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@... >>> >> _ >> > > >> (mailto:amwoods8644@... >) >> wrote: > > > I was having a bit... >> -- Grayson www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 LOL! I'm a very humble, self-effacing man, Bob. In fact, get a beer or two in me, and I'll spend hours telling you how humble and self-effacing I am. Bob Kellow wrote: > In humility, you must be #1! > > On Jul 3, 2010 8:06 PM, " Grayson " > lnmolino@... > >> > writes: > > Is Cute Medic a new level of certificatio... > >> _LNMolino@... <_LNMolino%40aol.com> <_LNMolino%40aol.com> _ >> (mailto:LNMolino@... >> ) >> > > >>> On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods <_ amwoods8644@... >>> >> > (mailto:amwoods8644@... >) >> wrote: > > > I was having a bit... >> -- Grayson www.kellygrayson.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Only a beer or two?? Wes Ogilvie Sent from my iPhone > I'm a very humble, self-effacing man, Bob. > > In fact, get a beer or two in me, and I'll spend hours telling you how > humble and self-effacing I am. > > Bob Kellow wrote: > > In humility, you must be #1! > > > > > > > > > > > > As opposed to me, who has been a cute medic since EMT school. > > > > krin135@... wrote: > > > if it is, then it's one that neither you, me, > > Gene, Donn, Henry or a... > > > > > >> lnmolino@... > > >> > > writes: > > Is Cute Medic a new level of certificatio... > > > >> _LNMolino@... <_LNMolino%40aol.com> _ > >> (mailto:LNMolino@... > >> ) > >> > > > > > >>> On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@... > >>> > >> _ > >> > > > > > >> (mailto:amwoods8644@... >) > >> wrote: > > > I was having a bit... > >> > > -- > Grayson > www.kellygrayson.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 On topic, it is one of the suggested methods for dealing with an infiltrate of IV CT contrast. I've heard several protocols, but they all involved some alternation between hot and cold. Austin > I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. > > I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. > > However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. > > I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. > > However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - > > What does everyone here think? > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 Hahaha! In fact, it's a continuing education course! Like Critical Care Paramedic; C-EMT. Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > Only a beer or two?? > > Wes Ogilvie > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > I'm a very humble, self-effacing man, Bob. > > > > In fact, get a beer or two in me, and I'll spend hours telling you how > > humble and self-effacing I am. > > > > Bob Kellow wrote: > > > In humility, you must be #1! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As opposed to me, who has been a cute medic since EMT school. > > > > > > krin135@... wrote: > > > if it is, then it's one that neither you, me, > > > Gene, Donn, Henry or a... > > > > > > > > >> lnmolino@... > > > >> > > > writes: > > Is Cute Medic a new level of certificatio... > > > > > >> _LNMolino@... <_LNMolino%40aol.com> _ > > >> (mailto:LNMolino@... > > >> ) > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> On Jul 3, 2010, at 16:45, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@... > > >>> > > >> _ > > >> > > > > > > > > >> (mailto:amwoods8644@... >) > > >> wrote: > > > I was having a bit... > > >> > > > > -- > > Grayson > > www.kellygrayson.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2010 Report Share Posted July 4, 2010 On topic? Why would anyone want that! Well, to settle the argument, of course. So, do you think that alternating between heat and cold would do anything for a minor traumatic injury within the first forty-eight hours after trauma? Or should you, as he argued ONLY EVER use ice for the first forty-eight hours? Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > On topic, it is one of the suggested methods for dealing with an infiltrate of IV CT contrast. I've heard several protocols, but they all involved some alternation between hot and cold. > > Austin > > > > > I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. > > > > I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. > > > > However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. > > > > I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. > > > > However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - > > > > What does everyone here think? > > > > Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B > > > > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 my understanding is that the pro trainers generally treat with ice packs for 48 hours and then start heat therapy. the explanation that I received while working with the trainers (as the field medical resource for a HS football team) is that the cold in the first 48 hours reduces the capillary weeping, thereby reducing the swelling. After that, you want to encourage blood flow, so you use the heat. ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 16:45:48 Central Daylight Time, amwoods8644@... writes: I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - What does everyone here think? Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 my understanding is that the pro trainers generally treat with ice packs for 48 hours and then start heat therapy. the explanation that I received while working with the trainers (as the field medical resource for a HS football team) is that the cold in the first 48 hours reduces the capillary weeping, thereby reducing the swelling. After that, you want to encourage blood flow, so you use the heat. ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 16:45:48 Central Daylight Time, amwoods8644@... writes: I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - What does everyone here think? Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 There might be something newer, but I found this: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_12_57/ai_n31159333/?tag=content;c\ ol1 Sent from my iPhone, McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T my understanding is that the pro trainers generally treat with ice packs for 48 hours and then start heat therapy. the explanation that I received while working with the trainers (as the field medical resource for a HS football team) is that the cold in the first 48 hours reduces the capillary weeping, thereby reducing the swelling. After that, you want to encourage blood flow, so you use the heat. ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 16:45:48 Central Daylight Time, amwoods8644@... writes: I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - What does everyone here think? Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 There might be something newer, but I found this: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_12_57/ai_n31159333/?tag=content;c\ ol1 Sent from my iPhone, McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T my understanding is that the pro trainers generally treat with ice packs for 48 hours and then start heat therapy. the explanation that I received while working with the trainers (as the field medical resource for a HS football team) is that the cold in the first 48 hours reduces the capillary weeping, thereby reducing the swelling. After that, you want to encourage blood flow, so you use the heat. ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 16:45:48 Central Daylight Time, amwoods8644@... writes: I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - What does everyone here think? Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 You might want to look at articles in the Journal of Athletic Training, they publish extensive research (peer reviewed) that will answer you question on the Ice/Heat question. Lots of debate on the efficacy of the Contrast treatment you were describing, but I will tell you that if done in a clinically effective way, it just plain HURTS, regardless of the effect. (Chinese Torture) L. Gaines M.Ed. A.T.,C./L.A.T. NREMT-P Athletic Trainer Huntsville Hospital/ High School jlgatc@... To: texasems-l From: summedic@... Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:43:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Vascular Flush There might be something newer, but I found this: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_12_57/ai_n31159333/?tag=content;c\ ol1 Sent from my iPhone, McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T my understanding is that the pro trainers generally treat with ice packs for 48 hours and then start heat therapy. the explanation that I received while working with the trainers (as the field medical resource for a HS football team) is that the cold in the first 48 hours reduces the capillary weeping, thereby reducing the swelling. After that, you want to encourage blood flow, so you use the heat. ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 16:45:48 Central Daylight Time, amwoods8644@... writes: I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - What does everyone here think? Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 You might want to look at articles in the Journal of Athletic Training, they publish extensive research (peer reviewed) that will answer you question on the Ice/Heat question. Lots of debate on the efficacy of the Contrast treatment you were describing, but I will tell you that if done in a clinically effective way, it just plain HURTS, regardless of the effect. (Chinese Torture) L. Gaines M.Ed. A.T.,C./L.A.T. NREMT-P Athletic Trainer Huntsville Hospital/ High School jlgatc@... To: texasems-l From: summedic@... Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 10:43:02 -0700 Subject: Re: Vascular Flush There might be something newer, but I found this: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0689/is_12_57/ai_n31159333/?tag=content;c\ ol1 Sent from my iPhone, McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T my understanding is that the pro trainers generally treat with ice packs for 48 hours and then start heat therapy. the explanation that I received while working with the trainers (as the field medical resource for a HS football team) is that the cold in the first 48 hours reduces the capillary weeping, thereby reducing the swelling. After that, you want to encourage blood flow, so you use the heat. ck In a message dated 7/3/2010 16:45:48 Central Daylight Time, amwoods8644@... writes: I was having a bit of an argument with a cute medic ( Crocker) about something called vascular flush. I was asked by a friend what I would do if I were to undergo a minor, acute traumatic injury (sprain, strain, bruising). I said I would alternate between a hot pack and a cold pack. The idea is that the hot pack increases blood flow, sending nutrients to the affected area, and then the cold causes waste products to be carried away more effectively. From what I understand, it's called vascular flush. It's not changing any process in your body, just maximizing the efficiency of the process that's already occurring. However, whilst discussing this with Crocker, he argued that you should never initiate such a treatment within 48 hours, and challenged me to put it on the listserver and see who agreed with me. I didn't want to, because, to be honest, I thought he was right. The only reason I like it is that it's worked well for me in the past - I have no real clinical evidence to back up my view. However, on deployment for , I discussed it with some nurses and a doctor, who sided with me, so what the heck - What does everyone here think? Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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