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Alyssa watch the TV show Mystery Diagnosis which my CIV no medical training

GF watches. Drives me nuts as I think most of the stuff is over dramatized

as most situations are non life threats but then again I've had my share

of drama in my personal medical life ;)

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

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discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 6/13/2010 8:42:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

amwoods8644@... writes:

They still did it faster than the doctors in the ER! It took a total

of nearly five months for her to be properly diagnosed. Ironically,

her saving grace was her inability to control her alcoholism.

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> How far was the ED?

>

> With the time you guys spent on this Val DeFrance in Alaska would have

> been back in service for an hour by now ;)

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> Consultant

>

> LNMolino@...

>

> (Cell Phone)

>

> " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

>

> " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

> discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> 1962)

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 8:03:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> amwoods8644@... writes:

>

> And it goes to Wes!

>

> Congratulations!

>

> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

>

>

>

> > Delerium tremens?

> >

> > Wes

> >

> > Sent from my iPad

> >

> >

> >

> > > nope...the problem is something more common than lithium toxicity.

> > >

> > > ck

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 19:48:42 Central Daylight Time,

> > > ExLngHrn@... writes:

> > >

> > > If it's an actual lithium OD, I have. My patient was in cardiac

> > arrest,

> > > though. Sodium bicarb brought back ROSC, probably because of the

> > chemistry of

> > > it binding at the electron level with the positive lithium ions.

> > >

> > > Wes Ogilvie

> > >

> > > Sent from my iPad

> > >

> > > On Jun 13, 2010, at 19:38, _krin135@..._

> > (mailto:krin135@...)

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > yes, Wesley, I am jerking your chain again....I'm sure that you

> > have

> > > seen

> > > > this condition before.

> > > >

> > > > ck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 19:35:48 Central Daylight Time,

> > > > _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) writes:

> > > >

> > > > I'm waiting for Wes to chime back in. I jerked his chain pretty

> > hard

> > > > earlier, so I'm betting that he's been doing some research. I'd

> > wait at

> > > > least

> > > > another half hour.

> > > >

> > > > I'm also waiting for someone to ask the obvious question, about

> > how

> > > > closely

> > > > you and I are working together...some of them know how devious I

> > can

> > > be...

> > > >

> > > > ck

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 19:33:09 Central Daylight Time,

> > > > __amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:_amwoods8644@...) _

> > > (mailto:_amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) )

> > writes:

> > > >

> > > > Think it's time for another hint?

> > > >

> > > > Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> > > >

> > > > On Jun 13, 2010, at 6:57 PM, __krin135@..._

> (mailto:_krin135@...

> > )

> > > _ (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) )

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > chuckle...then you are missing something.

> > > > >

> > > > > Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that

> > while the

> > > > > lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side

> > effect of the

> > > > > medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute

> > problem.

> > > > >

> > > > > and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just* for

> > lithium

> > > > > toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that

> is

> > > > > staring you in

> > > > > the face.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ck

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

> > > > > __rob.davis@..._

> (mailto:_rob.davis@...

> > )

> > > _ (mailto:_rob.davis@..._

> > > (mailto:rob.davis@...) )

> > > > writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, ___krin135@..._

> > > (mailto:__krin135@...) _

> > > > (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) ) _

> > > > (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) _

> > > (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) )

> > > > > )

> > > > > said:

> > > > >

> > > > > > OH? and what was your diagnosis?

> > > > >

> > > > > Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should

> > have

> > > > > told her

> > > > > to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rob

> > > > >

> > > > >

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yep.

paraldehyde can also be used for detox, but because of problems with

plastics, is rarely available these days. I remember the little blue bottles on

the med carts when I first started back in the 1970s.

and the sedative detox problem?

ck

In a message dated 6/13/2010 21:22:08 Central Daylight Time,

amwoods8644@... writes:

Propofol?

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> if benzos are contra indicated for some reason, what other two drugs

> are

> still available for assistance in detoxing the DTs?

>

> and why is the detox of sedative drugs used long term (including,

> but not

> limited to alcohol and benzos) so much more dangerous than the detox

> of

> folks who have been on cocaine or methamphetamine?

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 20:39:18 Central Daylight Time,

> ExLngHrn@... writes:

>

> Typically with benzodiazepines or in extreme cases, low doses of

> antipsychotics.

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 8:37:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> _amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) writes:

>

> It has been brought to my attention that the treatment was not noted.

> Wes, I'm sure you know this, so, take it away...

>

> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 8:33 PM, _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...

> )

> wrote:

>

> > How far was the ED?

> >

> > With the time you guys spent on this Val DeFrance in Alaska would

> have

> > been back in service for an hour by now ;)

> >

> > Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

> > FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

> > Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection

> > Consultant

> >

> > _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

> >

> > (Cell Phone)

> >

> > " A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

> >

> > " Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small

> minds

> > discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 -

> > 1962)

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 8:03:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > _amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) writes:

> >

> > And it goes to Wes!

> >

> > Congratulations!

> >

> > Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> >

> >

> >

> > > Delerium tremens?

> > >

> > > Wes

> > >

> > > Sent from my iPad

> > >

> > > On Jun 13, 2010, at 19:49, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...

> )

> wrote:

> > >

> > > > nope...the problem is something more common than lithium

> toxicity.

> > > >

> > > > ck

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 19:48:42 Central Daylight Time,

> > > > _ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:ExLngHrn@...) writes:

> > > >

> > > > If it's an actual lithium OD, I have. My patient was in cardiac

> > > arrest,

> > > > though. Sodium bicarb brought back ROSC, probably because of the

> > > chemistry of

> > > > it binding at the electron level with the positive lithium ions.

> > > >

> > > > Wes Ogilvie

> > > >

> > > > Sent from my iPad

> > > >

> > > > On Jun 13, 2010, at 19:38, __krin135@..._

> (mailto:_krin135@...) _

> > > (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) )

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > yes, Wesley, I am jerking your chain again....I'm sure that

> you

> > > have

> > > > seen

> > > > > this condition before.

> > > > >

> > > > > ck

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 19:35:48 Central Daylight Time,

> > > > > __krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) _

> (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) ) writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm waiting for Wes to chime back in. I jerked his chain

> pretty

> > > hard

> > > > > earlier, so I'm betting that he's been doing some research.

> I'd

> > > wait at

> > > > > least

> > > > > another half hour.

> > > > >

> > > > > I'm also waiting for someone to ask the obvious question,

> about

> > > how

> > > > > closely

> > > > > you and I are working together...some of them know how

> devious I

> > > can

> > > > be...

> > > > >

> > > > > ck

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 19:33:09 Central Daylight Time,

> > > > > ___amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:__amwoods8644@...) _

> (mailto:__amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:_amwoods8644@...) ) _

> > > > (mailto:__amwoods8644@..._

> (mailto:_amwoods8644@...) _

> (mailto:_amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) ) )

> > > writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > Think it's time for another hint?

> > > > >

> > > > > Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> > > > >

> > > > > On Jun 13, 2010, at 6:57 PM, ___krin135@..._

> (mailto:__krin135@...) _

> > (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...)

> > > )

> > > > _ (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) _

> (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) ) )

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > chuckle...then you are missing something.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that

> > > while the

> > > > > > lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side

> > > effect of the

> > > > > > medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute

> > > problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just*

> for

> > > lithium

> > > > > > toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that

> > is

> > > > > > staring you in

> > > > > > the face.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ck

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

> > > > > > ___rob.davis@..._

> (mailto:__rob.davis@...) _

> > (mailto:__rob.davis@..._

> (mailto:_rob.davis@...)

> > > )

> > > > _ (mailto:__rob.davis@..._

> (mailto:_rob.davis@...) _

> > > > (mailto:_rob.davis@..._

> (mailto:rob.davis@...) ) )

> > > > > writes:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, ____krin135@..._

> (mailto:___krin135@...) _

> > > > (mailto:___krin135@..._ (mailto:__krin135@...) ) _

> > > > > (mailto:___krin135@..._ (mailto:__krin135@...) _

> (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) ) ) _

> > > > > (mailto:___krin135@..._ (mailto:__krin135@...) _

> (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) ) _

> > > > (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) _

> (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) ) )

> > > > > > )

> > > > > > said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > OH? and what was your diagnosis?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should

> > > have

> > > > > > told her

> > > > > > to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rob

> > > > > >

> > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

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Wow, you guys have gotten farther than I thought you would!

However, I see a herd of zebras. And a bunch of people looking at the

trees before trying to name what forest they're in.

So, as requested, your first clue:

Your patient was taken to the ER, where she was diagnosed with heat

exhaustion, and given fluids. A couple of hours later, her symptoms

went away. The docs, snickering at your over-thinking, sent her home

two hours later. She was discharged with instructions to take more

frequent breaks.

About three or four weeks later, you are dispatched for a 58 y/o

female, possible stroke. En route, your dispatch is changed to AMS.

Upon arrival, you find the patient and a 17 y/o female just outside of

a restaurant. The 17 y/o girl is holding the woman's hand, but looking

away from the pt. The girl states: " She's having some sort of

neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. " She seems

nervous. Upon questioning, she reluctantly admits to being the

patient's daughter. The patient herself cannot form responses. She'll

say things such as, " That sign is really bright! " With much alarm,

looking away, when there is nothing in front of her. She'll also mix

up items, such as calling an oxygen cylinder a purse, and your

ambulance a space ship. She seems quite alarmed and distressed.

So, what would you ask? What would you do? What do you want to know?

And, of course, what's happening to your patient, and why?

> nope. I double checked the history with AW, who had access to an

> excellent

> historian for the case.

>

> the skin is described as hot and dry, and there is no evidence of

> active

> salivation, lacrimation, urinary or fecal incontinence or emesis.

>

> Oh, and where would the Acetylcystine come in?

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 16:41:54 Central Daylight Time,

> lnmolino@... writes:

>

> SLUDGEM actually Doc.

> Emesis and Miosis with some modern (post 9/11) literature adding a P

> for Physcological as well.

>

> A typo I bet on hour part with your " history " .

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

> Please excuse any typos.

> (Cell)

> _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 14:55, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

> wrote:

>

> > Asked and answered, counselor. no contact with toxic substances at

> > work per

> > AW.

> >

> > What are the s/s of organophosphate poisoning? (again a hint from

> > me: SLUD)

> >

> > ck

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:52:16 Central Daylight Time,

> > _summedic@..._ (mailto:summedic@...) writes:

> >

> > I agree with atropine. Can you tell us what the patient has recently

> > ingested? Is this possibly a nicotinic reaction to some sort of

> > organophosphate?

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone,

> > McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

> >

> > On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, __rick.moore@..._

> (mailto:_rick.moore@...) _

> > (mailto:_rick.moore@..._

> (mailto:rick.moore@...) ) >

> wrote:

> >

> > Atropine?

> > Rick

> > Sent via Blackberry

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l

> )

> _ (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l

> ) )

> > __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-

> l ) _

> (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l

> ) ) >

> > To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l

> ) _

> (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l

> ) )

> > __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-

> l ) _

> (mailto:_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l

> ) ) >

> > Sent: Sun Jun 13 14:42:40 2010

> > Subject: Re: EMS Challenge (2)

> >

> > BZZZT!

> >

> > Look up the medications in G&G (or even a nursing text) and try

> again.

> >

> > Your medication order would make this patient worse- somnolent,

> > markedly

> > tachycardic, and cause a very dry mouth.

> >

> > Choose another selection

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:35:27 Central Daylight Time,

> > __ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:_ExLngHrn@...) _

> (mailto:_ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:ExLngHrn@...) )

>

> %40aol.com>

> > writes:

> >

> > Extrapyramidal reaction to her schizophrenia meds? 50 mg of

> > Benadryl, IV

> > push?

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 2:30:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > ___krin135@..._ (mailto:__krin135@...) _

> (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) )

> > _

> > (mailto:__krin135@..._ (mailto:_krin135@...) _

> (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) )

> > ) writes:

> >

> > ok, I'm going to jump in here a bit. Alyssa does NOT have to

> consider

> > these

> >

> > official hints.

> >

> > 1: based on her medication list, what common psychiatric diagnosis

> > does

> > the

> > patient suffer?

> >

> > 2: Why would this make her reluctant to describe her visual problems

> > in

> > front of her co workers?

> >

> > 3: What kind of dietary indiscretions would make this diagnosis

> worse?

> >

> > 4: Knowing that there is a field treatment for the patient's acute

> > process,

> > what common ALS medication would be indicated?

> >

> > ck

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:00:30 Central Daylight Time,

> > ____ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:___ExLngHrn@...) _

> (mailto:___ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:__ExLngHrn@...) )

> > _ (mailto:___ExLngHrn@..._

> (mailto:__ExLngHrn@...) _ (mailto:__ExLngHrn@..._

(mailto:_ExLngHrn@...

> )

> > )

> > ) _ (mailto:___ExLngHrn@..._

> (mailto:__ExLngHrn@...) _ (mailto:__ExLngHrn@..._

(mailto:_ExLngHrn@...

> )

> > )

> > _

> > (mailto:__ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:_ExLngHrn@...) _

> (mailto:_ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:ExLngHrn@...) )

> > ) ) writes:

> >

> > Can I have one of the four promised hints now?

> >

> > -Wes

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 1:58:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > _____amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:____amwoods8644@...) _

> (mailto:____amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:___amwoods8644@...) )

> > _

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> > _

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> (mailto:__amwoods8644@...) _

> > (mailto:__amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:_amwoods8644@...) )

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> > (mailto:___amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:__amwoods8644@...) _

> (mailto:__amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:_amwoods8644@...) )

> > _ (mailto:__amwoods8644@..._

> (mailto:_amwoods8644@...) _

> > (mailto:amwoo

> > _ds8644@..._ (mailto:ds8644@...) )

> ) ) ) writes:

> >

> > Believe it or not, you can treat this disease in the field.

> >

> > Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> >

> > Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

> >

> > On Jun 13, 2010, at 1:45 PM, ______ExLngHrn@..._

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> > > -Wes Ogilvie

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Wow, you guys have gotten farther than I thought you would!

However, I see a herd of zebras. And a bunch of people looking at the

trees before trying to name what forest they're in.

So, as requested, your first clue:

Your patient was taken to the ER, where she was diagnosed with heat

exhaustion, and given fluids. A couple of hours later, her symptoms

went away. The docs, snickering at your over-thinking, sent her home

two hours later. She was discharged with instructions to take more

frequent breaks.

About three or four weeks later, you are dispatched for a 58 y/o

female, possible stroke. En route, your dispatch is changed to AMS.

Upon arrival, you find the patient and a 17 y/o female just outside of

a restaurant. The 17 y/o girl is holding the woman's hand, but looking

away from the pt. The girl states: " She's having some sort of

neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. " She seems

nervous. Upon questioning, she reluctantly admits to being the

patient's daughter. The patient herself cannot form responses. She'll

say things such as, " That sign is really bright! " With much alarm,

looking away, when there is nothing in front of her. She'll also mix

up items, such as calling an oxygen cylinder a purse, and your

ambulance a space ship. She seems quite alarmed and distressed.

So, what would you ask? What would you do? What do you want to know?

And, of course, what's happening to your patient, and why?

> nope. I double checked the history with AW, who had access to an

> excellent

> historian for the case.

>

> the skin is described as hot and dry, and there is no evidence of

> active

> salivation, lacrimation, urinary or fecal incontinence or emesis.

>

> Oh, and where would the Acetylcystine come in?

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 16:41:54 Central Daylight Time,

> lnmolino@... writes:

>

> SLUDGEM actually Doc.

> Emesis and Miosis with some modern (post 9/11) literature adding a P

> for Physcological as well.

>

> A typo I bet on hour part with your " history " .

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

> Please excuse any typos.

> (Cell)

> _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 14:55, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

> wrote:

>

> > Asked and answered, counselor. no contact with toxic substances at

> > work per

> > AW.

> >

> > What are the s/s of organophosphate poisoning? (again a hint from

> > me: SLUD)

> >

> > ck

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:52:16 Central Daylight Time,

> > _summedic@..._ (mailto:summedic@...) writes:

> >

> > I agree with atropine. Can you tell us what the patient has recently

> > ingested? Is this possibly a nicotinic reaction to some sort of

> > organophosphate?

> >

> > Sent from my iPhone,

> > McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

> >

> > On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, __rick.moore@..._

> (mailto:_rick.moore@...) _

> > (mailto:_rick.moore@..._

> (mailto:rick.moore@...) ) >

> wrote:

> >

> > Atropine?

> > Rick

> > Sent via Blackberry

> >

> > ________________________________

> > From: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l

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> > To: __texasems-l _ (mailto:_texasems-l

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> > Sent: Sun Jun 13 14:42:40 2010

> > Subject: Re: EMS Challenge (2)

> >

> > BZZZT!

> >

> > Look up the medications in G&G (or even a nursing text) and try

> again.

> >

> > Your medication order would make this patient worse- somnolent,

> > markedly

> > tachycardic, and cause a very dry mouth.

> >

> > Choose another selection

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:35:27 Central Daylight Time,

> > __ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:_ExLngHrn@...) _

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> > writes:

> >

> > Extrapyramidal reaction to her schizophrenia meds? 50 mg of

> > Benadryl, IV

> > push?

> >

> > -Wes Ogilvie

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 2:30:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> > ___krin135@..._ (mailto:__krin135@...) _

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> > ) writes:

> >

> > ok, I'm going to jump in here a bit. Alyssa does NOT have to

> consider

> > these

> >

> > official hints.

> >

> > 1: based on her medication list, what common psychiatric diagnosis

> > does

> > the

> > patient suffer?

> >

> > 2: Why would this make her reluctant to describe her visual problems

> > in

> > front of her co workers?

> >

> > 3: What kind of dietary indiscretions would make this diagnosis

> worse?

> >

> > 4: Knowing that there is a field treatment for the patient's acute

> > process,

> > what common ALS medication would be indicated?

> >

> > ck

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:00:30 Central Daylight Time,

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> >

> > Can I have one of the four promised hints now?

> >

> > -Wes

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 1:58:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

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> > Believe it or not, you can treat this disease in the field.

> >

> > Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> >

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> >

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> > > IV access,

> > > and cardiac monitoring. Based on some of the neurological aspects,

> > > I'll be

> > > heading towards someplace with neuro capabilities.

> > >

> > > -Wes Ogilvie

> > >

> > >

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On Sunday, June 13, 2010 17:39, " Alyssa Woods " amwoods8644@...> said:

> The girl states: " She's having some sort of

> neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

> of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

> got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. "

Wait... a 17 year old girl said all that? Who is she, Dougette Howser?

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On Sunday, June 13, 2010 17:39, " Alyssa Woods " amwoods8644@...> said:

> The girl states: " She's having some sort of

> neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

> of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

> got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. "

Wait... a 17 year old girl said all that? Who is she, Dougette Howser?

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This particular 17 year old girl happens to love studying neurology.

She can't tell you what an EKG is, but she can talk for hours about

serotonergic agents, and what's wrong with modern psychiatry.

And no, she doesn't know what's wrong with your patient.

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> On Sunday, June 13, 2010 17:39, " Alyssa Woods "

> amwoods8644@...> said:

>

> > The girl states: " She's having some sort of

> > neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

> > of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and

> she's

> > got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. "

>

> Wait... a 17 year old girl said all that? Who is she, Dougette Howser?

>

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Come on Rob, play along. Lol. She is a future nurse or physician, or maybe even

a paramedic-in-training.

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rob.davis@...> wrote:

On Sunday, June 13, 2010 17:39, " Alyssa Woods " amwoods8644@...> said:

> The girl states: " She's having some sort of

> neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

> of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

> got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. "

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Though I will add that ironically enough, she did earn the nickname

" Doogie Howser " , is referred to as " Doogie " even to this day, and

occasionally marks items which belong to her with " DH " .

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> On Sunday, June 13, 2010 17:39, " Alyssa Woods "

> amwoods8644@...> said:

>

> > The girl states: " She's having some sort of

> > neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

> > of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and

> she's

> > got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. "

>

> Wait... a 17 year old girl said all that? Who is she, Dougette Howser?

>

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Ok, I now believe this patient is suffering from Wernicke's-Korsakav syndrome

and needs some thiamine stat.

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McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

Wow, you guys have gotten farther than I thought you would!

However, I see a herd of zebras. And a bunch of people looking at the

trees before trying to name what forest they're in.

So, as requested, your first clue:

Your patient was taken to the ER, where she was diagnosed with heat

exhaustion, and given fluids. A couple of hours later, her symptoms

went away. The docs, snickering at your over-thinking, sent her home

two hours later. She was discharged with instructions to take more

frequent breaks.

About three or four weeks later, you are dispatched for a 58 y/o

female, possible stroke. En route, your dispatch is changed to AMS.

Upon arrival, you find the patient and a 17 y/o female just outside of

a restaurant. The 17 y/o girl is holding the woman's hand, but looking

away from the pt. The girl states: " She's having some sort of

neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. " She seems

nervous. Upon questioning, she reluctantly admits to being the

patient's daughter. The patient herself cannot form responses. She'll

say things such as, " That sign is really bright! " With much alarm,

looking away, when there is nothing in front of her. She'll also mix

up items, such as calling an oxygen cylinder a purse, and your

ambulance a space ship. She seems quite alarmed and distressed.

So, what would you ask? What would you do? What do you want to know?

And, of course, what's happening to your patient, and why?

nope. I double checked the history with AW, who had access to an

excellent

historian for the case.

the skin is described as hot and dry, and there is no evidence of

active

salivation, lacrimation, urinary or fecal incontinence or emesis.

Oh, and where would the Acetylcystine come in?

ck

In a message dated 6/13/2010 16:41:54 Central Daylight Time,

lnmolino@... writes:

SLUDGEM actually Doc.

Emesis and Miosis with some modern (post 9/11) literature adding a P

for Physcological as well.

A typo I bet on hour part with your " history " .

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

_LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

On Jun 13, 2010, at 14:55, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

wrote:

Asked and answered, counselor. no contact with toxic substances at

work per

AW.

What are the s/s of organophosphate poisoning? (again a hint from

me: SLUD)

ck

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_summedic@..._ (mailto:summedic@...) writes:

I agree with atropine. Can you tell us what the patient has recently

ingested? Is this possibly a nicotinic reaction to some sort of

organophosphate?

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McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

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Atropine?

Rick

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BZZZT!

Look up the medications in G&G (or even a nursing text) and try

again.

Your medication order would make this patient worse- somnolent,

markedly

tachycardic, and cause a very dry mouth.

Choose another selection

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Extrapyramidal reaction to her schizophrenia meds? 50 mg of

Benadryl, IV

push?

-Wes Ogilvie

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ok, I'm going to jump in here a bit. Alyssa does NOT have to

consider

these

official hints.

1: based on her medication list, what common psychiatric diagnosis

does

the

patient suffer?

2: Why would this make her reluctant to describe her visual problems

in

front of her co workers?

3: What kind of dietary indiscretions would make this diagnosis

worse?

4: Knowing that there is a field treatment for the patient's acute

process,

what common ALS medication would be indicated?

ck

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Can I have one of the four promised hints now?

-Wes

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Believe it or not, you can treat this disease in the field.

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

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I'll be

heading towards someplace with neuro capabilities.

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So close! ... And yet so far...

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

> Ok, I now believe this patient is suffering from Wernicke's-Korsakav

> syndrome and needs some thiamine stat.

>

> Sent from my iPhone,

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Alyssa Woods amwoods8644@...>

> wrote:

>

> Wow, you guys have gotten farther than I thought you would!

>

> However, I see a herd of zebras. And a bunch of people looking at the

> trees before trying to name what forest they're in.

>

> So, as requested, your first clue:

>

> Your patient was taken to the ER, where she was diagnosed with heat

> exhaustion, and given fluids. A couple of hours later, her symptoms

> went away. The docs, snickering at your over-thinking, sent her home

> two hours later. She was discharged with instructions to take more

> frequent breaks.

>

> About three or four weeks later, you are dispatched for a 58 y/o

> female, possible stroke. En route, your dispatch is changed to AMS.

>

> Upon arrival, you find the patient and a 17 y/o female just outside of

> a restaurant. The 17 y/o girl is holding the woman's hand, but looking

> away from the pt. The girl states: " She's having some sort of

> neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

> of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

> got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. " She seems

> nervous. Upon questioning, she reluctantly admits to being the

> patient's daughter. The patient herself cannot form responses. She'll

> say things such as, " That sign is really bright! " With much alarm,

> looking away, when there is nothing in front of her. She'll also mix

> up items, such as calling an oxygen cylinder a purse, and your

> ambulance a space ship. She seems quite alarmed and distressed.

>

> So, what would you ask? What would you do? What do you want to know?

>

> And, of course, what's happening to your patient, and why?

>

>

>

> nope. I double checked the history with AW, who had access to an

> excellent

> historian for the case.

>

> the skin is described as hot and dry, and there is no evidence of

> active

> salivation, lacrimation, urinary or fecal incontinence or emesis.

>

> Oh, and where would the Acetylcystine come in?

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 16:41:54 Central Daylight Time,

> lnmolino@... writes:

>

> SLUDGEM actually Doc.

> Emesis and Miosis with some modern (post 9/11) literature adding a P

> for Physcological as well.

>

> A typo I bet on hour part with your " history " .

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

> Please excuse any typos.

> (Cell)

> _LNMolino@..._ (mailto:LNMolino@...)

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 14:55, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

> wrote:

>

> Asked and answered, counselor. no contact with toxic substances at

> work per

> AW.

>

> What are the s/s of organophosphate poisoning? (again a hint from

> me: SLUD)

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:52:16 Central Daylight Time,

> _summedic@..._ (mailto:summedic@...) writes:

>

> I agree with atropine. Can you tell us what the patient has recently

> ingested? Is this possibly a nicotinic reaction to some sort of

> organophosphate?

>

> Sent from my iPhone,

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, __rick.moore@..._

> (mailto:_rick.moore@...) _

> (mailto:_rick.moore@..._

> (mailto:rick.moore@...) ) >

> wrote:

>

> Atropine?

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

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> Sent: Sun Jun 13 14:42:40 2010

> Subject: Re: EMS Challenge (2)

>

> BZZZT!

>

> Look up the medications in G&G (or even a nursing text) and try

> again.

>

> Your medication order would make this patient worse- somnolent,

> markedly

> tachycardic, and cause a very dry mouth.

>

> Choose another selection

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:35:27 Central Daylight Time,

> __ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:_ExLngHrn@...) _

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>

%40aol.com>

> writes:

>

> Extrapyramidal reaction to her schizophrenia meds? 50 mg of

> Benadryl, IV

> push?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 2:30:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> ___krin135@..._ (mailto:__krin135@...) _

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> ) writes:

>

> ok, I'm going to jump in here a bit. Alyssa does NOT have to

> consider

> these

>

> official hints.

>

> 1: based on her medication list, what common psychiatric diagnosis

> does

> the

> patient suffer?

>

> 2: Why would this make her reluctant to describe her visual problems

> in

> front of her co workers?

>

> 3: What kind of dietary indiscretions would make this diagnosis

> worse?

>

> 4: Knowing that there is a field treatment for the patient's acute

> process,

> what common ALS medication would be indicated?

>

> ck

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> -Wes Ogilvie

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More importantly, do your units (or I suppose for you, ck, do the

units that bring pts to you) carry thiamine?

Mine don't.

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

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> is there any proof that thiamine will improve Korsakov/Wernicke

> encephalopathy?

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:27:56 Central Daylight Time,

> summedic@... writes:

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> Ok, I now believe this patient is suffering from Wernicke's-Korsakav

> syndrome and needs some thiamine stat.

>

> Sent from my iPhone,

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@..._

> (mailto:amwoods8644@...) > wrote:

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> Wow, you guys have gotten farther than I thought you would!

>

> However, I see a herd of zebras. And a bunch of people looking at the

> trees before trying to name what forest they're in.

>

> So, as requested, your first clue:

>

> Your patient was taken to the ER, where she was diagnosed with heat

> exhaustion, and given fluids. A couple of hours later, her symptoms

> went away. The docs, snickering at your over-thinking, sent her home

> two hours later. She was discharged with instructions to take more

> frequent breaks.

>

> About three or four weeks later, you are dispatched for a 58 y/o

> female, possible stroke. En route, your dispatch is changed to AMS.

>

> Upon arrival, you find the patient and a 17 y/o female just outside of

> a restaurant. The 17 y/o girl is holding the woman's hand, but looking

> away from the pt. The girl states: " She's having some sort of

> neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

> of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

> got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. " She seems

> nervous. Upon questioning, she reluctantly admits to being the

> patient's daughter. The patient herself cannot form responses. She'll

> say things such as, " That sign is really bright! " With much alarm,

> looking away, when there is nothing in front of her. She'll also mix

> up items, such as calling an oxygen cylinder a purse, and your

> ambulance a space ship. She seems quite alarmed and distressed.

>

> So, what would you ask? What would you do? What do you want to know?

>

> And, of course, what's happening to your patient, and why?

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:47 PM, _krin135@..._

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> wrote:

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> nope. I double checked the history with AW, who had access to an

> excellent

> historian for the case.

>

> the skin is described as hot and dry, and there is no evidence of

> active

> salivation, lacrimation, urinary or fecal incontinence or emesis.

>

> Oh, and where would the Acetylcystine come in?

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 16:41:54 Central Daylight Time,

> _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) writes:

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> SLUDGEM actually Doc.

> Emesis and Miosis with some modern (post 9/11) literature adding a P

> for Physcological as well.

>

> A typo I bet on hour part with your " history " .

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

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> Please excuse any typos.

> (Cell)

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> Asked and answered, counselor. no contact with toxic substances at

> work per

> AW.

>

> What are the s/s of organophosphate poisoning? (again a hint from

> me: SLUD)

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:52:16 Central Daylight Time,

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> I agree with atropine. Can you tell us what the patient has recently

> ingested? Is this possibly a nicotinic reaction to some sort of

> organophosphate?

>

> Sent from my iPhone,

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

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> Atropine?

> Rick

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> Subject: Re: EMS Challenge (2)

>

> BZZZT!

>

> Look up the medications in G&G (or even a nursing text) and try

> again.

>

> Your medication order would make this patient worse- somnolent,

> markedly

> tachycardic, and cause a very dry mouth.

>

> Choose another selection

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> Extrapyramidal reaction to her schizophrenia meds? 50 mg of

> Benadryl, IV

> push?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

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> ok, I'm going to jump in here a bit. Alyssa does NOT have to

> consider

> these

>

> official hints.

>

> 1: based on her medication list, what common psychiatric diagnosis

> does

> the

> patient suffer?

>

> 2: Why would this make her reluctant to describe her visual problems

> in

> front of her co workers?

>

> 3: What kind of dietary indiscretions would make this diagnosis

> worse?

>

> 4: Knowing that there is a field treatment for the patient's acute

> process,

> what common ALS medication would be indicated?

>

> ck

>

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> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

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> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

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Mine do, and so has every service I have ever worked for.

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McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

More importantly, do your units (or I suppose for you, ck, do the

units that bring pts to you) carry thiamine?

Mine don't.

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

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> is there any proof that thiamine will improve Korsakov/Wernicke

> encephalopathy?

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:27:56 Central Daylight Time,

> summedic@... writes:

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> Ok, I now believe this patient is suffering from Wernicke's-Korsakav

> syndrome and needs some thiamine stat.

>

> Sent from my iPhone,

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Alyssa Woods _amwoods8644@..._

> (mailto:amwoods8644@...) > wrote:

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> Wow, you guys have gotten farther than I thought you would!

>

> However, I see a herd of zebras. And a bunch of people looking at the

> trees before trying to name what forest they're in.

>

> So, as requested, your first clue:

>

> Your patient was taken to the ER, where she was diagnosed with heat

> exhaustion, and given fluids. A couple of hours later, her symptoms

> went away. The docs, snickering at your over-thinking, sent her home

> two hours later. She was discharged with instructions to take more

> frequent breaks.

>

> About three or four weeks later, you are dispatched for a 58 y/o

> female, possible stroke. En route, your dispatch is changed to AMS.

>

> Upon arrival, you find the patient and a 17 y/o female just outside of

> a restaurant. The 17 y/o girl is holding the woman's hand, but looking

> away from the pt. The girl states: " She's having some sort of

> neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

> of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

> got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. " She seems

> nervous. Upon questioning, she reluctantly admits to being the

> patient's daughter. The patient herself cannot form responses. She'll

> say things such as, " That sign is really bright! " With much alarm,

> looking away, when there is nothing in front of her. She'll also mix

> up items, such as calling an oxygen cylinder a purse, and your

> ambulance a space ship. She seems quite alarmed and distressed.

>

> So, what would you ask? What would you do? What do you want to know?

>

> And, of course, what's happening to your patient, and why?

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:47 PM, _krin135@..._

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> wrote:

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> nope. I double checked the history with AW, who had access to an

> excellent

> historian for the case.

>

> the skin is described as hot and dry, and there is no evidence of

> active

> salivation, lacrimation, urinary or fecal incontinence or emesis.

>

> Oh, and where would the Acetylcystine come in?

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 16:41:54 Central Daylight Time,

> _lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) writes:

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> SLUDGEM actually Doc.

> Emesis and Miosis with some modern (post 9/11) literature adding a P

> for Physcological as well.

>

> A typo I bet on hour part with your " history " .

>

> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

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> Please excuse any typos.

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> On Jun 13, 2010, at 14:55, __krin135@..._

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> wrote:

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> Asked and answered, counselor. no contact with toxic substances at

> work per

> AW.

>

> What are the s/s of organophosphate poisoning? (again a hint from

> me: SLUD)

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:52:16 Central Daylight Time,

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> I agree with atropine. Can you tell us what the patient has recently

> ingested? Is this possibly a nicotinic reaction to some sort of

> organophosphate?

>

> Sent from my iPhone,

> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, ___rick.moore@..._

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> Atropine?

> Rick

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> Sent: Sun Jun 13 14:42:40 2010

> Subject: Re: EMS Challenge (2)

>

> BZZZT!

>

> Look up the medications in G&G (or even a nursing text) and try

> again.

>

> Your medication order would make this patient worse- somnolent,

> markedly

> tachycardic, and cause a very dry mouth.

>

> Choose another selection

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:35:27 Central Daylight Time,

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> Extrapyramidal reaction to her schizophrenia meds? 50 mg of

> Benadryl, IV

> push?

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 2:30:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

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> ok, I'm going to jump in here a bit. Alyssa does NOT have to

> consider

> these

>

> official hints.

>

> 1: based on her medication list, what common psychiatric diagnosis

> does

> the

> patient suffer?

>

> 2: Why would this make her reluctant to describe her visual problems

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> front of her co workers?

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> 3: What kind of dietary indiscretions would make this diagnosis

> worse?

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> 4: Knowing that there is a field treatment for the patient's acute

> process,

> what common ALS medication would be indicated?

>

> ck

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> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:00:30 Central Daylight Time,

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> Can I have one of the four promised hints now?

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> -Wes

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> Believe it or not, you can treat this disease in the field.

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> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

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> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

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> From a treatment standpoint, I'm not seeing anything that I can

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> -Wes Ogilvie

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Rob was one of the nurses that worked at the first hospital she was taken to and

sent home that was the diagnosis " hours ago "

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> there is a reason why thiamine is no longer routinely carried in ALS

> medical kits...where it used to be part of the 'coma cocktail' given to folks

> with unexplained loss of consciousness (100 mg thiamine, 0.4 of Narcan, and an

> amp of D50W)...

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:34:50 Central Daylight Time,

> amwoods8644@... writes:

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>

>

> More importantly, do your units (or I suppose for you, ck, do the

> units that bring pts to you) carry thiamine?

>

> Mine don't.

>

> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

>

> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

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> On Jun 13, 2010, at 6:29 PM, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

> wrote:

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>> is there any proof that thiamine will improve Korsakov/Wernicke

>> encephalopathy?

>>

>> ck

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:27:56 Central Daylight Time,

>> _summedic@..._ (mailto:summedic@...) writes:

>>

>> Ok, I now believe this patient is suffering from Wernicke's-Korsakav

>> syndrome and needs some thiamine stat.

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone,

>> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>>

>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Alyssa Woods __amwoods8644@..._

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>> Wow, you guys have gotten farther than I thought you would!

>>

>> However, I see a herd of zebras. And a bunch of people looking at the

>> trees before trying to name what forest they're in.

>>

>> So, as requested, your first clue:

>>

>> Your patient was taken to the ER, where she was diagnosed with heat

>> exhaustion, and given fluids. A couple of hours later, her symptoms

>> went away. The docs, snickering at your over-thinking, sent her home

>> two hours later. She was discharged with instructions to take more

>> frequent breaks.

>>

>> About three or four weeks later, you are dispatched for a 58 y/o

>> female, possible stroke. En route, your dispatch is changed to AMS.

>>

>> Upon arrival, you find the patient and a 17 y/o female just outside of

>> a restaurant. The 17 y/o girl is holding the woman's hand, but looking

>> away from the pt. The girl states: " She's having some sort of

>> neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

>> of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

>> got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. " She seems

>> nervous. Upon questioning, she reluctantly admits to being the

>> patient's daughter. The patient herself cannot form responses. She'll

>> say things such as, " That sign is really bright! " With much alarm,

>> looking away, when there is nothing in front of her. She'll also mix

>> up items, such as calling an oxygen cylinder a purse, and your

>> ambulance a space ship. She seems quite alarmed and distressed.

>>

>> So, what would you ask? What would you do? What do you want to know?

>>

>> And, of course, what's happening to your patient, and why?

>>

>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:47 PM, __krin135@..._

> (mailto:_krin135@...) _

>> (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) )

>> wrote:

>>

>> nope. I double checked the history with AW, who had access to an

>> excellent

>> historian for the case.

>>

>> the skin is described as hot and dry, and there is no evidence of

>> active

>> salivation, lacrimation, urinary or fecal incontinence or emesis.

>>

>> Oh, and where would the Acetylcystine come in?

>>

>> ck

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 16:41:54 Central Daylight Time,

>> __lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _

> (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) writes:

>>

>> SLUDGEM actually Doc.

>> Emesis and Miosis with some modern (post 9/11) literature adding a P

>> for Physcological as well.

>>

>> A typo I bet on hour part with your " history " .

>>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

>> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

>> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

>> Please excuse any typos.

>> (Cell)

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>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 14:55, ___krin135@..._

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>> wrote:

>>

>> Asked and answered, counselor. no contact with toxic substances at

>> work per

>> AW.

>>

>> What are the s/s of organophosphate poisoning? (again a hint from

>> me: SLUD)

>>

>> ck

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:52:16 Central Daylight Time,

>> ___summedic@..._ (mailto:__summedic@...) _

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>>

>> I agree with atropine. Can you tell us what the patient has recently

>> ingested? Is this possibly a nicotinic reaction to some sort of

>> organophosphate?

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone,

>> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>>

>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, ____rick.moore@..._

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>> wrote:

>>

>> Atropine?

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

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>> Sent: Sun Jun 13 14:42:40 2010

>> Subject: Re: EMS Challenge (2)

>>

>> BZZZT!

>>

>> Look up the medications in G&G (or even a nursing text) and try

>> again.

>>

>> Your medication order would make this patient worse- somnolent,

>> markedly

>> tachycardic, and cause a very dry mouth.

>>

>> Choose another selection

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:35:27 Central Daylight Time,

>> ____ExLngHrn@..._ (mailto:___ExLngHrn@...) _

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>>

>> Extrapyramidal reaction to her schizophrenia meds? 50 mg of

>> Benadryl, IV

>> push?

>>

>> -Wes Ogilvie

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 2:30:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

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>>

>> ok, I'm going to jump in here a bit. Alyssa does NOT have to

>> consider

>> these

>>

>> official hints.

>>

>> 1: based on her medication list, what common psychiatric diagnosis

>> does

>> the

>> patient suffer?

>>

>> 2: Why would this make her reluctant to describe her visual problems

>> in

>> front of her co workers?

>>

>> 3: What kind of dietary indiscretions would make this diagnosis

>> worse?

>>

>> 4: Knowing that there is a field treatment for the patient's acute

>> process,

>> what common ALS medication would be indicated?

>>

>> ck

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:00:30 Central Daylight Time,

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>> Can I have one of the four promised hints now?

>>

>> -Wes

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 1:58:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

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>> Believe it or not, you can treat this disease in the field.

>>

>> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

>>

>> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

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Rob was one of the nurses that worked at the first hospital she was taken to and

sent home that was the diagnosis " hours ago "

-Chris

Sorry for the spelling and punctuation this was typed on tge tiny keyboard on my

iPhone

> there is a reason why thiamine is no longer routinely carried in ALS

> medical kits...where it used to be part of the 'coma cocktail' given to folks

> with unexplained loss of consciousness (100 mg thiamine, 0.4 of Narcan, and an

> amp of D50W)...

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:34:50 Central Daylight Time,

> amwoods8644@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> More importantly, do your units (or I suppose for you, ck, do the

> units that bring pts to you) carry thiamine?

>

> Mine don't.

>

> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

>

> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 6:29 PM, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

> wrote:

>

>> is there any proof that thiamine will improve Korsakov/Wernicke

>> encephalopathy?

>>

>> ck

>>

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:27:56 Central Daylight Time,

>> _summedic@..._ (mailto:summedic@...) writes:

>>

>> Ok, I now believe this patient is suffering from Wernicke's-Korsakav

>> syndrome and needs some thiamine stat.

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone,

>> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>>

>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Alyssa Woods __amwoods8644@..._

> (mailto:_amwoods8644@...) _

>> (mailto:_amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) ) >

> wrote:

>>

>> Wow, you guys have gotten farther than I thought you would!

>>

>> However, I see a herd of zebras. And a bunch of people looking at the

>> trees before trying to name what forest they're in.

>>

>> So, as requested, your first clue:

>>

>> Your patient was taken to the ER, where she was diagnosed with heat

>> exhaustion, and given fluids. A couple of hours later, her symptoms

>> went away. The docs, snickering at your over-thinking, sent her home

>> two hours later. She was discharged with instructions to take more

>> frequent breaks.

>>

>> About three or four weeks later, you are dispatched for a 58 y/o

>> female, possible stroke. En route, your dispatch is changed to AMS.

>>

>> Upon arrival, you find the patient and a 17 y/o female just outside of

>> a restaurant. The 17 y/o girl is holding the woman's hand, but looking

>> away from the pt. The girl states: " She's having some sort of

>> neurological event. She hasn't been acting quite right, and then all

>> of a sudden, she started saying that everything is melting, and she's

>> got some sort of aphasia. Her pupils are good, though. " She seems

>> nervous. Upon questioning, she reluctantly admits to being the

>> patient's daughter. The patient herself cannot form responses. She'll

>> say things such as, " That sign is really bright! " With much alarm,

>> looking away, when there is nothing in front of her. She'll also mix

>> up items, such as calling an oxygen cylinder a purse, and your

>> ambulance a space ship. She seems quite alarmed and distressed.

>>

>> So, what would you ask? What would you do? What do you want to know?

>>

>> And, of course, what's happening to your patient, and why?

>>

>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 4:47 PM, __krin135@..._

> (mailto:_krin135@...) _

>> (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...) )

>> wrote:

>>

>> nope. I double checked the history with AW, who had access to an

>> excellent

>> historian for the case.

>>

>> the skin is described as hot and dry, and there is no evidence of

>> active

>> salivation, lacrimation, urinary or fecal incontinence or emesis.

>>

>> Oh, and where would the Acetylcystine come in?

>>

>> ck

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 16:41:54 Central Daylight Time,

>> __lnmolino@..._ (mailto:_lnmolino@...) _

> (mailto:_lnmolino@..._ (mailto:lnmolino@...) ) writes:

>>

>> SLUDGEM actually Doc.

>> Emesis and Miosis with some modern (post 9/11) literature adding a P

>> for Physcological as well.

>>

>> A typo I bet on hour part with your " history " .

>>

>> Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

>> FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

>> Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

>> Please excuse any typos.

>> (Cell)

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>>

>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 14:55, ___krin135@..._

> (mailto:__krin135@...) _

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>> wrote:

>>

>> Asked and answered, counselor. no contact with toxic substances at

>> work per

>> AW.

>>

>> What are the s/s of organophosphate poisoning? (again a hint from

>> me: SLUD)

>>

>> ck

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:52:16 Central Daylight Time,

>> ___summedic@..._ (mailto:__summedic@...) _

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>> (mailto:__summedic@..._ (mailto:_summedic@...) _

> (mailto:_summedic@..._ (mailto:summedic@...) ) ) writes:

>>

>> I agree with atropine. Can you tell us what the patient has recently

>> ingested? Is this possibly a nicotinic reaction to some sort of

>> organophosphate?

>>

>> Sent from my iPhone,

>> McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

>>

>> On Jun 13, 2010, at 2:46 PM, ____rick.moore@..._

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>>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Atropine?

>> Rick

>> Sent via Blackberry

>>

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>> Sent: Sun Jun 13 14:42:40 2010

>> Subject: Re: EMS Challenge (2)

>>

>> BZZZT!

>>

>> Look up the medications in G&G (or even a nursing text) and try

>> again.

>>

>> Your medication order would make this patient worse- somnolent,

>> markedly

>> tachycardic, and cause a very dry mouth.

>>

>> Choose another selection

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:35:27 Central Daylight Time,

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>> writes:

>>

>> Extrapyramidal reaction to her schizophrenia meds? 50 mg of

>> Benadryl, IV

>> push?

>>

>> -Wes Ogilvie

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 2:30:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

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>>

>> ok, I'm going to jump in here a bit. Alyssa does NOT have to

>> consider

>> these

>>

>> official hints.

>>

>> 1: based on her medication list, what common psychiatric diagnosis

>> does

>> the

>> patient suffer?

>>

>> 2: Why would this make her reluctant to describe her visual problems

>> in

>> front of her co workers?

>>

>> 3: What kind of dietary indiscretions would make this diagnosis

>> worse?

>>

>> 4: Knowing that there is a field treatment for the patient's acute

>> process,

>> what common ALS medication would be indicated?

>>

>> ck

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 14:00:30 Central Daylight Time,

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>> Can I have one of the four promised hints now?

>>

>> -Wes

>>

>> In a message dated 6/13/2010 1:58:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

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>> Believe it or not, you can treat this disease in the field.

>>

>> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

>>

>> Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

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it does include those changes, but more significantly, it's the problem

with the brain trying to compensate for the depression (with increased

internal stimulation levels) vs the brain trying to recover from external

stimulation.

the problem being that the unrestrained internal 'up' leads to the various

problems with DTs, which can be life threatening if not treated.

to the best of my knowledge (covering 35 years of working with various

detox programs), no one has died from a pure opioid or stimulant detox, but a

fair number still die each year from improperly managed sedative detox.

To add insult to injury, the three different classes (ethanol, benzos, and

barbs) of primary sedatives are often mixed and matched by the patient, and

while alcohol and barbs will detox benzos, and benzos and barbs will detox

alcohol, you have to be very careful with barbs, as alcohol will help, but

benzos don't always work.

Since Propofol (in short supply right now for technical reasons) is an

alcohol...

Additionally, alcohol and nicotine are the two most commonly abused self

medications, complicating many other psychological problems.

ck

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summedic@... writes:

Is it because of the changes to the neurotransmitters, including

gamma-aminobutyric acid (GABA)

and glutamate?

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

> > > > >

> > > > > > chuckle...then you are missing something.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that

> > > while the

> > > > > > lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side

> > > effect of the

> > > > > > medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute

> > > problem.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just*

> for

> > > lithium

> > > > > > toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that

> > is

> > > > > > staring you in

> > > > > > the face.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ck

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

> > > > > > ____rob.davis@..._

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> (mailto:___rob.davis@..._

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> > (mailto:___rob.davis@..._

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> > > )

> > > > _ (mailto:___rob.davis@..._

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> > > > > > On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, _____krin135@..._

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> > > > (mailto:___krin135@..._ (mailto:__krin135@...) _

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> > > > > > )

> > > > > > said:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > OH? and what was your diagnosis?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should

> > > have

> > > > > > told her

> > > > > > to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rob

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On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, krin135@... said:

> OH? and what was your diagnosis?

Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should have told her to

lay off the Tums while taking Li.

Rob

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Also, can you treat Lithium Toxicity with what you have in the field?

What are the best treatments for lithium toxicity?

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> chuckle...then you are missing something.

>

> Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that while the

> lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side effect of the

> medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute problem.

>

> and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just* for lithium

> toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that is

> staring you in

> the face.

>

>

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@... writes:

>

> On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...

> )

> said:

>

> > OH? and what was your diagnosis?

>

> Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should have

> told her

> to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

>

> Rob

>

>

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Think it's time for another hint?

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

> chuckle...then you are missing something.

>

> Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that while the

> lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side effect of the

> medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute problem.

>

> and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just* for lithium

> toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that is

> staring you in

> the face.

>

>

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@... writes:

>

> On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...

> )

> said:

>

> > OH? and what was your diagnosis?

>

> Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should have

> told her

> to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

>

> Rob

>

>

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Here you go doc.

http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/288379-treatment

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McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

Think it's time for another hint?

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

chuckle...then you are missing something.

Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that while the

lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side effect of the

medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute problem.

and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just* for lithium

toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that is

staring you in

the face.

ck

In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...

)

said:

OH? and what was your diagnosis?

Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should have

told her

to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

Rob

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Alyssa,

Does this patient have a history of alcohol abuse or malnutrition?

Sent from my iPhone,

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

Think it's time for another hint?

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

chuckle...then you are missing something.

Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that while the

lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side effect of the

medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute problem.

and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just* for lithium

toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that is

staring you in

the face.

ck

In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...

)

said:

OH? and what was your diagnosis?

Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should have

told her

to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

Rob

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Alyssa,

Does this patient have a history of alcohol abuse or malnutrition?

Sent from my iPhone,

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

Think it's time for another hint?

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

chuckle...then you are missing something.

Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that while the

lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side effect of the

medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute problem.

and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just* for lithium

toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that is

staring you in

the face.

ck

In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...

)

said:

OH? and what was your diagnosis?

Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should have

told her

to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

Rob

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Alyssa,

Does this patient have a history of alcohol abuse or malnutrition?

Sent from my iPhone,

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

Think it's time for another hint?

Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

chuckle...then you are missing something.

Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that while the

lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side effect of the

medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute problem.

and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just* for lithium

toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that is

staring you in

the face.

ck

In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...

)

said:

OH? and what was your diagnosis?

Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should have

told her

to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

Rob

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If it's an actual lithium OD, I have. My patient was in cardiac arrest, though.

Sodium bicarb brought back ROSC, probably because of the chemistry of it binding

at the electron level with the positive lithium ions.

Wes Ogilvie

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> yes, Wesley, I am jerking your chain again....I'm sure that you have seen

> this condition before.

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 19:35:48 Central Daylight Time,

> krin135@... writes:

>

> I'm waiting for Wes to chime back in. I jerked his chain pretty hard

> earlier, so I'm betting that he's been doing some research. I'd wait at

> least

> another half hour.

>

> I'm also waiting for someone to ask the obvious question, about how

> closely

> you and I are working together...some of them know how devious I can be...

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 6/13/2010 19:33:09 Central Daylight Time,

> _amwoods8644@..._ (mailto:amwoods8644@...) writes:

>

> Think it's time for another hint?

>

> Alyssa Woods, FF/NREMT-B

>

> On Jun 13, 2010, at 6:57 PM, _krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

> wrote:

>

> > chuckle...then you are missing something.

> >

> > Even without inside knowledge, I can reasonably predict that while the

> > lithium levels may be elevated to a toxic (a common side effect of the

> > medication and dehydration), the Tums didn't cause her acute problem.

> >

> > and if you were to persist in treating the patient *just* for lithium

> > toxicity, you will miss a life threatening complication that is

> > staring you in

> > the face.

> >

> >

> >

> > ck

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 6/13/2010 18:50:08 Central Daylight Time,

> > _rob.davis@..._ (mailto:rob.davis@...)

> writes:

> >

> > On Sunday, June 13, 2010 18:18, __krin135@..._

> (mailto:_krin135@...) _

> (mailto:_krin135@..._ (mailto:krin135@...)

> > )

> > said:

> >

> > > OH? and what was your diagnosis?

> >

> > Too early to spoil the whole shebang yet. But someone should have

> > told her

> > to lay off the Tums while taking Li.

> >

> > Rob

> >

> >

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