Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I meant “wouldn’t†From: Ron Haussecker Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:58 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash I’ll go back to the basic fact. Someone, somewhere that has the power needs to step up and get this under control, because it can be controlled. Attending funerals and passing the ball back and forth or mixing it up with other issues will not fix the problem. If you held the folks that called the helo responsible I bet you would see many of them fly. Ron From: Larry Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:50 PM To: mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash If the federal government were to object to a state attempting to secure its borders with the arguement that it is a federal responsibility, then what state would have the authority to interfere with interstate commerce? The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I meant “wouldn’t†From: Ron Haussecker Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:58 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash I’ll go back to the basic fact. Someone, somewhere that has the power needs to step up and get this under control, because it can be controlled. Attending funerals and passing the ball back and forth or mixing it up with other issues will not fix the problem. If you held the folks that called the helo responsible I bet you would see many of them fly. Ron From: Larry Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:50 PM To: mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash If the federal government were to object to a state attempting to secure its borders with the arguement that it is a federal responsibility, then what state would have the authority to interfere with interstate commerce? The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I meant “wouldn’t†From: Ron Haussecker Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:58 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash I’ll go back to the basic fact. Someone, somewhere that has the power needs to step up and get this under control, because it can be controlled. Attending funerals and passing the ball back and forth or mixing it up with other issues will not fix the problem. If you held the folks that called the helo responsible I bet you would see many of them fly. Ron From: Larry Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:50 PM To: mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash If the federal government were to object to a state attempting to secure its borders with the arguement that it is a federal responsibility, then what state would have the authority to interfere with interstate commerce? The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all. -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 I thought that was what you meant. I read it that way. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 We’ll I guess I expect to much when the air traffic controls are sleeping all the time. State Directors could and really have the responsibility to meet with FAA and inquire what they can do with their licensing process to make it safer. Lord knows a State Agency would talk to a Federal Agency or vice versa. All I’ve heard since 9/11 is how well all the agency communicate and work together. Yeah right! Ron From: Larry Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:01 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2011 Report Share Posted August 26, 2011 Yes, but Texas gives them an EMS Provider License if they are operating in Texas. A license is a privilege and not a right. So Texas controls that privilege, and license. FAA cannot make Texas give them a State EMS Provider License. RH. From: krin135@... Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 12:09 AM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash For a variety of reasons, the Feds have sole jurisdiction over this matter...something that has been discussed on a regular basis on this and other fora... ck In a message dated 08/26/11 23:33:58 Central Daylight Time, mailto:haussecker87%40cebridge.net writes: If the Feds down step in they why won’t the State? Gov. where are you? Ron From: Ron Haussecker Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:32 PM To: mailto:texasems-l%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash If you had as many civilian passenger planes crash this often they would ground all the airlines and have the largest investigation in history of the country. Enough is Enough. I have no doubt that the number of crashes can be reduced. So how many unnecessary lives will have to be lost? Ron From: Louis N. Molino, Sr. Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:08 PM To: Texas EMS List ; New Jersey EMS List ; EMS-L List Subject: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI Training Program Manager Fire & Safety Specialists, Inc. Typed by my fingers on my iPhone. Please excuse any typos. (Cell) (Office) (Office Fax) mailto:LNMolino%40aol.com mailto:Lou%40fireworld.com Begin forwarded message: > From: " " > Date: August 26, 2011 21:16:00 CDT > To: > Cc: > Subject: EMS Helo Crash > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > was reported. > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > passenger. > > Jim< > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA will not implement. f Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA will not implement. f Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA will not implement. f Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 ----- EMS Helo Crash > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department stating > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the crash > > was reported. > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were killed > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > passenger. > > > > Jim< > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 The way to stop this is for government and third-party payers to reimburse HEMS at the same rate as ground ambulances, while citing the absence of established medical necessity as their reason. Bob > ** > > > No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The > NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA > will not implement. > > f > > Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. > > > > The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The > ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� > -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > ----- EMS Helo Crash > > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department > stating > > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the > crash > > > was reported. > > > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were > killed > > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > > passenger. > > > > > > Jim< > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 I agree with you. Sam Scarborough LP , B.A.A.S. Bob Kellow kellow.bob@...> wrote: >The way to stop this is for government and third-party payers to >reimburse HEMS at the same rate as ground ambulances, while citing the >absence of established medical necessity as their reason. > >Bob > > > >> ** >> >> >> No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The >> NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA >> will not implement. >> >> f >> >> Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. >> >> >> >> The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The >> ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� >> -- F. Kennedy, 1963 >> >> ----- EMS Helo Crash >> > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com >> > > >> > >> > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in >> > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. >> > > >> > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department >> stating >> > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the >> crash >> > > was reported. >> > > >> > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were >> killed >> > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a >> > > passenger. >> > > >> > > Jim< >> > > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 I agree with you. Sam Scarborough LP , B.A.A.S. Bob Kellow kellow.bob@...> wrote: >The way to stop this is for government and third-party payers to >reimburse HEMS at the same rate as ground ambulances, while citing the >absence of established medical necessity as their reason. > >Bob > > > >> ** >> >> >> No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The >> NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA >> will not implement. >> >> f >> >> Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. >> >> >> >> The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The >> ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� >> -- F. Kennedy, 1963 >> >> ----- EMS Helo Crash >> > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com >> > > >> > >> > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in >> > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. >> > > >> > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department >> stating >> > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the >> crash >> > > was reported. >> > > >> > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were >> killed >> > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a >> > > passenger. >> > > >> > > Jim< >> > > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Wow, that's a show-stopper! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash The way to stop this is for government and third-party payers to reimburse HEMS at the same rate as ground ambulances, while citing the absence of established medical necessity as their reason. Bob > ** > > > No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The > NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA > will not implement. > > f > > Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. > > > > The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The > ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� > -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > ----- EMS Helo Crash > > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department > stating > > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the > crash > > > was reported. > > > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were > killed > > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > > passenger. > > > > > > Jim< > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Wow, that's a show-stopper! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash The way to stop this is for government and third-party payers to reimburse HEMS at the same rate as ground ambulances, while citing the absence of established medical necessity as their reason. Bob > ** > > > No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The > NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA > will not implement. > > f > > Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. > > > > The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The > ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� > -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > ----- EMS Helo Crash > > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department > stating > > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the > crash > > > was reported. > > > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were > killed > > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > > passenger. > > > > > > Jim< > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Wow, that's a show-stopper! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash The way to stop this is for government and third-party payers to reimburse HEMS at the same rate as ground ambulances, while citing the absence of established medical necessity as their reason. Bob > ** > > > No, it's not. The FAA is responsible for promoting the air industry. The > NTSB is responsible for safety. Often, they male recommendations the FAA > will not implement. > > f > > Sent from a phone. Please excuse the typos and brevity. > > > > The person (or organization) with that ball is the FAA. �The > ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all.� > -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > ----- EMS Helo Crash > > > Reply-To: mailto:Paramedicine%40yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > KANSAS CITY, Mo. - A Lifenet helicopter crashed near Mosby Airport in > > > Excelsior Springs, Missouri Friday evening around 7 p.m. > > > > > > At 6:55 p.m. Lifenet called the Clay County Sheriff's Department > stating > > > that they had a helicopter that was missing. Shortly thereafter the > crash > > > was reported. > > > > > > NBC Action News has confirmed that all four on board the flight were > killed > > > in the crash. Three of the individuals were crewmembers and one was a > > > passenger. > > > > > > Jim< > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Safety is not dependent on medical necessity. My experience is that NTSB does a very thorough evaluation of every crash resulting in fatalities. Is there any consistent theme in air medical crashes? On a per-mile basis, is air transport actually more dangerous than ground transport. It seems that I read every week about an ambulance involved in a traffic crash. Dick Celina Fire *** * > > As a former flight paramedic I can remember close calls on flights > that had not medical necesity for air transport. Facilities and > providers need to keep this in mind when requesting air transport. I > also agree something needs to be done. God bless all that were > involved and their families. > > Sam Scarborough LP , B.A.A.S. > > Ron Haussecker haussecker87@... > > wrote: > > >I meant it for all Governors, so I was asking my governor since I > live in Texas and think we have quiet a few crashes. So once again > Gov. are you doing to do anything to make air medical safer for > the public? > >Ron > > > >From: Larry > >Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:36 PM > >To: texasems-l > >Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash > > > > > >Ask the governor of Missouri, happened in his state. �The > ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of > all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Safety is not dependent on medical necessity. My experience is that NTSB does a very thorough evaluation of every crash resulting in fatalities. Is there any consistent theme in air medical crashes? On a per-mile basis, is air transport actually more dangerous than ground transport. It seems that I read every week about an ambulance involved in a traffic crash. Dick Celina Fire *** * > > As a former flight paramedic I can remember close calls on flights > that had not medical necesity for air transport. Facilities and > providers need to keep this in mind when requesting air transport. I > also agree something needs to be done. God bless all that were > involved and their families. > > Sam Scarborough LP , B.A.A.S. > > Ron Haussecker haussecker87@... > > wrote: > > >I meant it for all Governors, so I was asking my governor since I > live in Texas and think we have quiet a few crashes. So once again > Gov. are you doing to do anything to make air medical safer for > the public? > >Ron > > > >From: Larry > >Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 11:36 PM > >To: texasems-l > >Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash > > > > > >Ask the governor of Missouri, happened in his state. �The > ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of > all.� -- F. Kennedy, 1963 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 On Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:45, " Dick " dsmith@...> said: > My experience is that NTSB does a very thorough evaluation of every crash > resulting in fatalities. That's the illusion they want you to buy into, but trust me, it is far from reality. The NTSB cherry-picks what they do and do not want to be thorough on. And unless political pressure is present, they're most likely to walk away with a " good guess " being good enough. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 On Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:45, " Dick " dsmith@...> said: > My experience is that NTSB does a very thorough evaluation of every crash > resulting in fatalities. That's the illusion they want you to buy into, but trust me, it is far from reality. The NTSB cherry-picks what they do and do not want to be thorough on. And unless political pressure is present, they're most likely to walk away with a " good guess " being good enough. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 I worked on investigations with NTSB for two years and that is true. As far as number of ground accidents vs air medical is apples and oranges. How many ground EMS calls are made compared to air medical. We don’t compare auto accidents to aircraft crashes do we. It’s just apples and oranges. NTSB are political appointees also and are not necessary the best folks to investigate what they are investigating. Let’s not for get appointee Brown during Katrina. We are getting away from the SAFETY issue which we in the EMS community need to address and really don’t have to have state or federal involvement if we can clean it up in our communities at the local level. It’s the person on the ground asking for activation. Is it not? It’s the State giving the Provider License, is it not? So it seems that would be the most logical place to start from grassroots up. Just my opinion and everyone has one. Ron From: rob.davis@... Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:30 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash On Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:45, " Dick " said: > My experience is that NTSB does a very thorough evaluation of every crash > resulting in fatalities. That's the illusion they want you to buy into, but trust me, it is far from reality. The NTSB cherry-picks what they do and do not want to be thorough on. And unless political pressure is present, they're most likely to walk away with a " good guess " being good enough. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 I worked on investigations with NTSB for two years and that is true. As far as number of ground accidents vs air medical is apples and oranges. How many ground EMS calls are made compared to air medical. We don’t compare auto accidents to aircraft crashes do we. It’s just apples and oranges. NTSB are political appointees also and are not necessary the best folks to investigate what they are investigating. Let’s not for get appointee Brown during Katrina. We are getting away from the SAFETY issue which we in the EMS community need to address and really don’t have to have state or federal involvement if we can clean it up in our communities at the local level. It’s the person on the ground asking for activation. Is it not? It’s the State giving the Provider License, is it not? So it seems that would be the most logical place to start from grassroots up. Just my opinion and everyone has one. Ron From: rob.davis@... Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:30 PM To: texasems-l Subject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash On Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:45, " Dick " said: > My experience is that NTSB does a very thorough evaluation of every crash > resulting in fatalities. That's the illusion they want you to buy into, but trust me, it is far from reality. The NTSB cherry-picks what they do and do not want to be thorough on. And unless political pressure is present, they're most likely to walk away with a " good guess " being good enough. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2011 Report Share Posted August 27, 2011 Before we start castigating the air EMS industry let's find out what happened. Was there a problem with the aircraft that wasn't properly handled by the pilot? Did the pilot push weather, etc.? The FAA is the sole authority on aviation in this country because if you had every political entity wanting to regulate the airspace around them, no pilot would be able to fly because no one can remember all of the different rules. Something that is perfectly legal in one airspace would be illegal in another. It would be tantamount to allowing ambulances to drive 20 over the speed limit in one municipality but not allow any over the limit in the next. Your driver would be stopped for speeding when he had just left an area that speeding was allowed. Its too confusing for the operator. Unfortunately the FAA is a political organization and like all political organizations, they yield to the money. Air ambulance operators have a lot a sway with congress, who controls the purse strings. The NTSB recommends to the FAA. The FAA wants to implement a change but the lobbyist step in and a regulation gets watered down or deleted altogether. Its a sad fact of life but mistakes get made. Pilots will perceive pressure to fly a flight, either because of the " pilot to the rescue " syndrome or higher management is telling them that their numbers are too low and if more flights aren't generated, then the base may close. Pilots are human and as humans, they occassionally make mistakes. Just like ground crews make mistakes. We try to avoid them but mistakes happen. We don't have massive calls to do away with ground ambulances when one is involved in an accident. We don't have calls to do away with paramedics just because some use the wrong drug or procedure. Kirk EMT-B ATP COMM ASMEL-I Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash I worked on investigations with NTSB for two years and that is true. As far as umber of ground accidents vs air medical is apples and oranges. How many ground MS calls are made compared to air medical. We don’t compare autBefo accidents to ircraft crashes do we. It’s just apples and oranges. NTSB are political ppointees also and are not necessary the best folks to investigate what they re investigating. Let’s not for get appointee Brown during Katrina. We are etting away from the SAFETY issue which we in the EMS community need to address nd really don’t have to have state or federal involvement if we can clean it up n our communities at the local level. It’s the person on the ground asking for ctivation. Is it not? It’s the State giving the Provider License, is it not? So t seems that would be the most logical place to start from grassroots up. Just y opinion and everyone has one. on From: rob.davis@... ent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:30 PM o: texasems-l ubject: Re: Fwd: EMS Helo Crash n Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:45, " Dick " aid: > My experience is that NTSB does a very thorough evaluation of every crash resulting in fatalities. That's the illusion they want you to buy into, but trust me, it is far from eality. The NTSB cherry-picks what they do and do not want to be thorough on. nd unless political pressure is present, they're most likely to walk away with " good guess " being good enough. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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