Re: How long does resurfacing usually last?-suspicious

[Guest guest]

Hilarious!!

First of all, no one does " hemi-resurfacing " anymore because of the high

failure rate. So, a " mean " of 5 years would be pretty darn good.

Hip resurfacing is far superior to either " hemi's " or THR. Hip resurfacing

has been around for around 12 years and although you don't have official

published results for the surgeries from all the international locations, it is

well known that the failure/revision rate is very low. All you have to do is go

over the archives of the ten's of thousands of email postings and you will

see very few reports of problems-much less the very very rare failure.

If you go on the THR email site " Totally Hip Support " you will see reports

of problems and failures on every daily posting.

I had simultaneous bilateral in July 2002 and my x-rays are so good that the

OS's couldn't believe it, especially when they see a 52 year old winning

Open age division tournament matches.

There is no way that a THR patient can match the athletic impacts of events

like tennis and other running sports. Some have shown that they can

participate but resurface patients have been winning " international' marathon

and

Ironman events such as Dr. Drew Dixon of St. Louis.

Saeed

Madison, WI

[Guest guest]

WHY AM I SUSPICIOUS? I've been to the Zimmer website, been through

all the Zimmer hip products...and I don't see anywhere a reference,

notation or suggestion that Zimmer offers any product for hip

resurfacing, or plans to. Lots of stuff for THR. (After seeing the

resurfacing devices, those THR implant actually seem pretty crude and

barbaric, don't they?) Do you suppose maybe the Zimmer rep is

worried he might be left to sell the orthopedic equivalent of buggy

whips if resurfacing really is the future?

(I've been to Biomet's website, too...and even for the hemi-

resurfing, their results study has a " mean " length of five years post-

op. For what that's worth)

Alan

> I had a Zimmer sales rep tell me that resurfacing only lasts 24-36

> months before it needs to be revised with a THR. He said he saw

this

> in Biomet's data. Could this be true? How about Corin & ?

>

> Marie

[Guest guest]

This is a great progress report on your condition, Steve. You've become

really full of it, which is a sign that you feel great. I'm delighted.

Des

In a message dated 6/16/2004 10:23:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,

sog@... writes:

>

> if such a " rep " did actually say these things,

> perhaps we should realize that he/she could be just

> a salesperson (i.e. used cars, soggy land, it really

> doesn't matter as long as you " sell " it).

In a previous life, I did technical support for a certain manufacturer

of very large-scale scientific computer systems. The inside joke

amongst those of us in company " X " who had to deal with our

salespeople on a regular basis was:

" How can you tell when an 'X " saleman is lying? "

" His lips are moving "

" Truth enhancement " is just part of the job description.

Even more cynical than thou,

[Guest guest]

This is a great progress report on your condition, Steve. You've become

really full of it, which is a sign that you feel great. I'm delighted.

Des

In a message dated 6/16/2004 10:23:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,

sog@... writes:

>

> if such a " rep " did actually say these things,

> perhaps we should realize that he/she could be just

> a salesperson (i.e. used cars, soggy land, it really

> doesn't matter as long as you " sell " it).

In a previous life, I did technical support for a certain manufacturer

of very large-scale scientific computer systems. The inside joke

amongst those of us in company " X " who had to deal with our

salespeople on a regular basis was:

" How can you tell when an 'X " saleman is lying? "

" His lips are moving "

" Truth enhancement " is just part of the job description.

Even more cynical than thou,

[Guest guest]

hi-

i hate this thread.

speculation will get us nowhere. whatever an alledged

rep alledgedly said......it's heresay, not substance.

if such a " rep " did actually say these things,

perhaps we should realize that he/she could be just

a salesperson (i.e. used cars, soggy land, it really

doesn't matter as long as you " sell " it).

i ran into problems with a rep from one of the big 3

resurfacing companies. i realized that the individual

that i was dealing with just did not have enough

knowledge to effectively answer my questions.

the result was all to familiar. as i asked questions that

were outside the little sphere of knowledge of the rep,

he quickly tried to shift the conversation in such a way

as to mask the fact that " i don't know " was the only

honest response he could have given.

this is when i stopped bush-whacking that path.

is it possible this " trained salesperson " was programmed

to keep trying new angles.... " never let the customer get

away without buying something they don't want " mentality?

i say, reconize and ignore such uselessness.

as someone recently put it " separate wheat from chaffe " .

well now, what catagory would those comments be in?

my advise, don't listen to salemen or saleswomen with

regards to hip replacement parts. i believe you can get

much better information elsewhere...easily.

also, try to have more knowledge than anyone but your

surgeon with regards to your hip surgery and componentry.

this way you won't get de-railed by someone dispensing

bad information.

also, also..... " trust " .....only yourself, your surgeon and

non-speculative hippies, scrutinize everything else you

hear or read about this topic.

sincerely,

jeff lbhr desmet 11/03

p.s. these are only the opinions of a happy humble cynic.

Re: How long does resurfacing usually last?-suspicious

WHY AM I SUSPICIOUS? I've been to the Zimmer website, been through

all the Zimmer hip products...and I don't see anywhere a reference,

notation or suggestion that Zimmer offers any product for hip

resurfacing, or plans to. Lots of stuff for THR. (After seeing the

resurfacing devices, those THR implant actually seem pretty crude and

barbaric, don't they?) Do you suppose maybe the Zimmer rep is

worried he might be left to sell the orthopedic equivalent of buggy

whips if resurfacing really is the future?

(I've been to Biomet's website, too...and even for the hemi-

resurfing, their results study has a " mean " length of five years post-

op. For what that's worth)

Alan

> I had a Zimmer sales rep tell me that resurfacing only lasts 24-36

> months before it needs to be revised with a THR. He said he saw

this

> in Biomet's data. Could this be true? How about Corin & ?

>

> Marie

[Guest guest]

hi-

as someone just mentioned " hemi-surfacings " ,

perhaps the origional data from the rep was

referring to statistics of hemi-surfacing only,

not with an acetabular cup?

if this is the case, then it's maybe easy to see how

information can get mis-interpreted or mis-used.

jeff lbhr desmet 11/03

Re: How long does resurfacing usually

last?-suspicious

WHY AM I SUSPICIOUS? I've been to the Zimmer website, been through

all the Zimmer hip products...and I don't see anywhere a reference,

notation or suggestion that Zimmer offers any product for hip

resurfacing, or plans to. Lots of stuff for THR. (After seeing the

resurfacing devices, those THR implant actually seem pretty crude and

barbaric, don't they?) Do you suppose maybe the Zimmer rep is

worried he might be left to sell the orthopedic equivalent of buggy

whips if resurfacing really is the future?

(I've been to Biomet's website, too...and even for the hemi-

resurfing, their results study has a " mean " length of five years post-

op. For what that's worth)

Alan

> I had a Zimmer sales rep tell me that resurfacing only lasts 24-36

> months before it needs to be revised with a THR. He said he saw

this

> in Biomet's data. Could this be true? How about Corin & ?

>

> Marie

[Guest guest]

hi-

as someone just mentioned " hemi-surfacings " ,

perhaps the origional data from the rep was

referring to statistics of hemi-surfacing only,

not with an acetabular cup?

if this is the case, then it's maybe easy to see how

information can get mis-interpreted or mis-used.

jeff lbhr desmet 11/03

Re: How long does resurfacing usually

last?-suspicious

WHY AM I SUSPICIOUS? I've been to the Zimmer website, been through

all the Zimmer hip products...and I don't see anywhere a reference,

notation or suggestion that Zimmer offers any product for hip

resurfacing, or plans to. Lots of stuff for THR. (After seeing the

resurfacing devices, those THR implant actually seem pretty crude and

barbaric, don't they?) Do you suppose maybe the Zimmer rep is

worried he might be left to sell the orthopedic equivalent of buggy

whips if resurfacing really is the future?

(I've been to Biomet's website, too...and even for the hemi-

resurfing, their results study has a " mean " length of five years post-

op. For what that's worth)

Alan

> I had a Zimmer sales rep tell me that resurfacing only lasts 24-36

> months before it needs to be revised with a THR. He said he saw

this

> in Biomet's data. Could this be true? How about Corin & ?

>

> Marie

[Guest guest]

>

> if such a " rep " did actually say these things,

> perhaps we should realize that he/she could be just

> a salesperson (i.e. used cars, soggy land, it really

> doesn't matter as long as you " sell " it).

In a previous life, I did technical support for a certain manufacturer

of very large-scale scientific computer systems. The inside joke

amongst those of us in company " X " who had to deal with our

salespeople on a regular basis was:

" How can you tell when an 'X " saleman is lying? "

" His lips are moving "

" Truth enhancement " is just part of the job description.

Even more cynical than thou,

Steve (bilat C+ 4/20/04, Amstutz)

[Guest guest]

We asked Dr. DeSmet about the life expectancy of the BHR. First he

said there is, of course, no very long term data. Mechanically

tested, the BHR itself should last 500 years - so he divides that by

4 and said 125 years. His (educated) guess was that it should never

need replacement, because it appears to build bone, not deteriorate

it like a THR - he said he would expect our unoperated hips to be a

bigger problem.

At the very least it seems to have less failure than THR in the

first 10 years, so it is already a winning choice in my book. Even

if he is wrong about the 30 or 40 years I have left, I think I am

still ahead of the game.

Bev Mushinsky rbhr 2/19/03.

> Hilarious!!

> First of all, no one does " hemi-resurfacing " anymore because of

the high

> failure rate. So, a " mean " of 5 years would be pretty darn good.

> Hip resurfacing is far superior to either " hemi's " or THR. Hip

resurfacing

> has been around for around 12 years and although you don't have

official

> published results for the surgeries from all the international

locations, it is

> well known that the failure/revision rate is very low. All you

have to do is go

> over the archives of the ten's of thousands of email postings and

you will

> see very few reports of problems-much less the very very rare

failure.

> If you go on the THR email site " Totally Hip Support " you will see

reports

> of problems and failures on every daily posting.

> I had simultaneous bilateral in July 2002 and my x-rays are so

good that the

> OS's couldn't believe it, especially when they see a 52 year old

winning

> Open age division tournament matches.

> There is no way that a THR patient can match the athletic impacts

of events

> like tennis and other running sports. Some have shown that they

can

> participate but resurface patients have been

winning " international' marathon and

> Ironman events such as Dr. Drew Dixon of St. Louis.

>

> Saeed

> Madison, WI

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We asked Dr. DeSmet about the life expectancy of the BHR. First he

said there is, of course, no very long term data. Mechanically

tested, the BHR itself should last 500 years - so he divides that by

4 and said 125 years. His (educated) guess was that it should never

need replacement, because it appears to build bone, not deteriorate

it like a THR - he said he would expect our unoperated hips to be a

bigger problem.

At the very least it seems to have less failure than THR in the

first 10 years, so it is already a winning choice in my book. Even

if he is wrong about the 30 or 40 years I have left, I think I am

still ahead of the game.

Bev Mushinsky rbhr 2/19/03.

> Hilarious!!

> First of all, no one does " hemi-resurfacing " anymore because of

the high

> failure rate. So, a " mean " of 5 years would be pretty darn good.

> Hip resurfacing is far superior to either " hemi's " or THR. Hip

resurfacing

> has been around for around 12 years and although you don't have

official

> published results for the surgeries from all the international

locations, it is

> well known that the failure/revision rate is very low. All you

have to do is go

> over the archives of the ten's of thousands of email postings and

you will

> see very few reports of problems-much less the very very rare

failure.

> If you go on the THR email site " Totally Hip Support " you will see

reports

> of problems and failures on every daily posting.

> I had simultaneous bilateral in July 2002 and my x-rays are so

good that the

> OS's couldn't believe it, especially when they see a 52 year old

winning

> Open age division tournament matches.

> There is no way that a THR patient can match the athletic impacts

of events

> like tennis and other running sports. Some have shown that they

can

> participate but resurface patients have been

winning " international' marathon and

> Ironman events such as Dr. Drew Dixon of St. Louis.

>

> Saeed

> Madison, WI

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't believe I didn't reply to the previous post, Des...but now I

see why - you did it for me! ) Too dang funny, y'all!

L

In surfacehippy , destuck@a... wrote:

> This is a great progress report on your condition, Steve. You've

become

> really full of it, which is a sign that you feel great. I'm

delighted.

>

> Des

>

>

> In a message dated 6/16/2004 10:23:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> sog@s... writes:

> >

> > if such a " rep " did actually say these things,

> > perhaps we should realize that he/she could be just

> > a salesperson (i.e. used cars, soggy land, it really

> > doesn't matter as long as you " sell " it).

>

> In a previous life, I did technical support for a certain

manufacturer

> of very large-scale scientific computer systems. The inside joke

> amongst those of us in company " X " who had to deal with our

> salespeople on a regular basis was:

>

> " How can you tell when an 'X " saleman is lying? "

>

> " His lips are moving "

>

> " Truth enhancement " is just part of the job description.

>

> Even more cynical than thou,

>

>

>