Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso , Tx.

[Guest guest]

I don't know. It all depends on the rules in that jurisdiction. Lawyers may or

may not be allowed, depending on what state you're in. If no lawyer, then some

designated person would represent the city.

G

Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El

Paso , Tx.

would the city have to respond to a Small Claims Court?

IIRC, that's what happened in Monroe a decade or so ago.

ck

In a message dated 7/30/2010 19:14:10 Central Daylight Time,

_wegandy@..._ (mailto:wegandy@...) writes:

Liability for what? Damage to the car? I know of no lawyers who would take

such a case without a hefty ratainer in advance. Who's going to spend

$5,000 to pay a lawyer to get a $200 judgment? This does not compute.

Litigation costs a lot of money. Even if somebody files a pro se case

against the PD, it's going to cost them more than they would ever get, and

I

don't see a valid claim.

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[Guest guest]

Wouldn't that be a form of phone triage? I thought we agreed that this has never

worked, even with well trained medical professionals. How would this possibly

work with minimally trained dispatchers? I fail to see this as a valid option.

Sent from my iPhone,

McGee, EMT-P, EMT-T

On Jul 30, 2010, at 6:22 PM, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

On Friday, July 30, 2010 09:56, " lwd7734@... " lwd7734@...> said:

> Execellent points Gene, but what do we do in the mean time to educate the

public

> when it is appropriate to call 911?

After many years of pondering this question, I have concluded that public

education is not the answer. It just doesn't work. Instead, we should focus on

educating 911 operators to properly provide the needed resources and referrals

to the public when they call.

Rob

[Guest guest]

Most departments have a policy to only respond if there is a life threat

involved. You will not get a locksmith to respond in under 45 minutes in most

cases. That’s why they call us. If you could get a locksmith in 5-7 minutes,

there would be no need to call us.

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From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of rob.davis@...

Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:15 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: RE: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso

, Tx.

On Friday, July 30, 2010 10:30, rick.moore@...

said:

> why is there liability? Too damn many lawyers that's why (sorry Gene and Wes).

We

> should not have the ability to sue someone who came to our aid and performed a

> service in good faith and to the best of their ability.

It's not about being sued. It's about your attempt at " customer satisfaction "

backfiring on you, and having an irate citizen calling the mayor because you

scratched his $200 dollar window tinting, scratched or broke his glass, shorted

out his electric windows or locks, broke the linkage, or popped his air bag just

because you wanted to pull a cheap political stunt. Now, the city is either

going to man-up and pay for the damages, still leaving the citizen pissed off,

or else stiff them and piss them off even more.

Not to mention the number of times that the fire department is unable to unlock

the car, and ends up calling a locksmith anyhow, after an hour of wasting the

customer's time.

If the numbers for this " service " are as low as everyone says, then it's simply

not worth the risk. If the numbers are as high as I hear from the Dallas, Fort

Worth, and Arlington Fire Departments, then they are heavily screwing local

locksmith services, who by they way, are also taxpaying citizens.

If the fire department wants to play politics like this, trying to be all things

to all people, let them limit it to services that do not compete with the local

businessmen who pay their salaries. After all, they are " customers " too, and

there seems to be no interest in their " satisfaction " .

Rob

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On Saturday, July 31, 2010 23:55, " McGee " summedic@...> said:

> Wouldn't that be a form of phone triage? I thought we agreed that this has

never

> worked, even with well trained medical professionals. How would this possibly

work

> with minimally trained dispatchers? I fail to see this as a valid option.

You are absolutely correct. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I do not advocate

phone triage, for all of the reasons that Mr. Grady covered. What I was

referring to was calls to 911 for non-medical service, such as lock-outs.

Rob

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[Guest guest]

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

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[Guest guest]

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

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[Guest guest]

We don't blow stop signs or lights. EVERY intersection is checked to

see if it is clear. At stop signs and lights, that almost always means

a complete stop. You can't help someone if you are involved in a

collision en route to the scene. And we don't run code for simple (no

one locked inside) unlocks, water leaks, etc.

If a child is locked inside and is in distress, then breaking the glass

may be appropriate. If the child is alert and not in distress, breaking

the glass just traumatizes them. We usually have the doors open by the

time the owner has signed the release.

Dick

>

> I agree with this as well. Why are fire engines responding in an

> emergency mode, blowing stop signs/lights and getting to the scene and

> then pull out the lock kit or slim jim. If you have to respond in an

> emergency mode then pop the glass, this is a " rescue. " These

> departments never even consider the liability they have if they end up

> in a wreck and hurt or kill someone.

> __________________________________________________________

> Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance

> If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program

> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4c52e7a0de0064b47abst04vuc

>

>

[Guest guest]

Breaking a small front " T " window is even more expensive. We had a child locked

in a car with about 85 F outside and punched out the small T window. It cost

the driver $500 vs. $350 for a regular window at the time, plus a ticket and a

visit to CPS.

-MH

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From: texasems-l [texasems-l ] On Behalf Of Dick

[dsmith@...]

Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 11:45 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso

, Tx.

We don't blow stop signs or lights. EVERY intersection is checked to

see if it is clear. At stop signs and lights, that almost always means

a complete stop. You can't help someone if you are involved in a

collision en route to the scene. And we don't run code for simple (no

one locked inside) unlocks, water leaks, etc.

If a child is locked inside and is in distress, then breaking the glass

may be appropriate. If the child is alert and not in distress, breaking

the glass just traumatizes them. We usually have the doors open by the

time the owner has signed the release.

Dick

>

> I agree with this as well. Why are fire engines responding in an

> emergency mode, blowing stop signs/lights and getting to the scene and

> then pull out the lock kit or slim jim. If you have to respond in an

> emergency mode then pop the glass, this is a " rescue. " These

> departments never even consider the liability they have if they end up

> in a wreck and hurt or kill someone.

> __________________________________________________________

> Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance

> If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program

> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4c52e7a0de0064b47abst04vuc

>

>