RE: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso, Tx.

[Guest guest]

When asked about firefighters and EMS fighting fire or trauma or heart

attacks or etc., I always point out that while we do those things, our

biggest enemy is time. When you arrive on a simple call and find a 500

pound patient, how long does it take to get help if they didn't come

with you? When you go to a small grass fire and a firefighter falls in

a ravine or is dropped by a STEMI, how long does it take to get the box

that didn't come with you? We send the ambulance and truck to

everything except a simple lockout. Even then, we want to know if

anyone is locked in the car or house. If so, they both go.

We spend a lot of money on equipment, personnel and expenses. A little

diesel and usage is small potatoes by comparison. Let's not waste (or

render ineffective) dollars to save pennies.

Dick - Captain/EMT

Celina Fire Department

>

> Only 1% of calls are for fire. That's an interesting stat. Are they

> going to rotate all firefighters onto the ambulance? Otherwise only a

> few will be working while the rest get to watch TV at the fire house.

> I am glad they see it is a waste to send so many people and so much

> equipment to most calls. This should save tax dollars if done right.

>

> Renny

>

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> > http://www.emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?id=14128

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> http://www.emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?id=14128&siteSection=1

http://www.emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?id=14128&siteSection=1>>

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> > Jim<

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well said!

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

>

> When asked about firefighters and EMS fighting fire or trauma or heart

> attacks or etc., I always point out that while we do those things, our

> biggest enemy is time. When you arrive on a simple call and find a 500

> pound patient, how long does it take to get help if they didn't come

> with you? When you go to a small grass fire and a firefighter falls in

> a ravine or is dropped by a STEMI, how long does it take to get the box

> that didn't come with you? We send the ambulance and truck to

> everything except a simple lockout. Even then, we want to know if

> anyone is locked in the car or house. If so, they both go.

>

> We spend a lot of money on equipment, personnel and expenses. A little

> diesel and usage is small potatoes by comparison. Let's not waste (or

> render ineffective) dollars to save pennies.

>

> Dick - Captain/EMT

> Celina Fire Department

>

>

> >

> > Only 1% of calls are for fire. That's an interesting stat. Are they

> > going to rotate all firefighters onto the ambulance? Otherwise only a

> > few will be working while the rest get to watch TV at the fire house.

> > I am glad they see it is a waste to send so many people and so much

> > equipment to most calls. This should save tax dollars if done right.

> >

> > Renny

> >

> >

> > >

> > > http://www.emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?id=14128

> > >

> > http://www.emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?id=14128&siteSection=1

http://www.emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?id=14128&siteSection=1>>

> > > &siteSection=1

> > >

> > > Jim<

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:17, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

> We send the ambulance and truck to everything except a simple lockout. Even

then,

> we want to know if anyone is locked in the car or house. If so, they both go.

>

> We spend a lot of money on equipment, personnel and expenses. A little

> diesel and usage is small potatoes by comparison. Let's not waste (or

> render ineffective) dollars to save pennies.

Sounds like you are already wasting a lot of dollars if you are responding fire

apparatus to a " simple lockout " . That's what locksmiths and AAA are for. Maybe

the locksmiths should start self-dispatching themselves to every fire call, just

in case they're needed.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:17, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

> We send the ambulance and truck to everything except a simple lockout. Even

then,

> we want to know if anyone is locked in the car or house. If so, they both go.

>

> We spend a lot of money on equipment, personnel and expenses. A little

> diesel and usage is small potatoes by comparison. Let's not waste (or

> render ineffective) dollars to save pennies.

Sounds like you are already wasting a lot of dollars if you are responding fire

apparatus to a " simple lockout " . That's what locksmiths and AAA are for. Maybe

the locksmiths should start self-dispatching themselves to every fire call, just

in case they're needed.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:17, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

> We send the ambulance and truck to everything except a simple lockout. Even

then,

> we want to know if anyone is locked in the car or house. If so, they both go.

>

> We spend a lot of money on equipment, personnel and expenses. A little

> diesel and usage is small potatoes by comparison. Let's not waste (or

> render ineffective) dollars to save pennies.

Sounds like you are already wasting a lot of dollars if you are responding fire

apparatus to a " simple lockout " . That's what locksmiths and AAA are for. Maybe

the locksmiths should start self-dispatching themselves to every fire call, just

in case they're needed.

Rob

[Guest guest]

oh, my...the hyperbole!

actually, I know of a number of medium sized cities (25K to 90K population)

which will NOT allow their FD or PD to provide lock out services UNLESS

there is life threat (extremes of weather, running car) and an uncooperative

child or elder locked in. Seems like there have been a number of lawsuits

over the years where the friendly FD ny trying to 'do a service' got the

city sued because of a broken window or power lock.

Monroe/West Monroe and Lake , Louisiana both come to mind.

that being said, dost thou remember how the fire departments became

practical here in America?

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 18:13:54 Central Daylight Time,

rick.moore@... writes:

Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private

enterprise continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by

AMR

and Acadian. That is one of the problems with our society today, too few

people believe in and provide public service.

Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

appreciate and support what you do.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

________________________________

From: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) >

To: _texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l )

_texasems-l _ (mailto:texasems-l ) >

Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El

Paso, Tx.

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

_rob.davis@..._ (mailto:rob.davis@...)

writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when

you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

If you don't think your citizens appreciate a quick unlock and hold you

in high regard for it, you haven't had the opportunity to help someone

who finds themselves in trouble. It's why our citizens fund us.

Service doesn't stop with a fire, auto accident or EMS call. We even

get snakes out of houses!

Dick

>

> On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:17, " Dick " dsmith@...

> > said:

>

> > We send the ambulance and truck to everything except a simple

> lockout. Even then,

> > we want to know if anyone is locked in the car or house. If so, they

> both go.

> >

> > We spend a lot of money on equipment, personnel and expenses. A little

> > diesel and usage is small potatoes by comparison. Let's not waste (or

> > render ineffective) dollars to save pennies.

>

> Sounds like you are already wasting a lot of dollars if you are

> responding fire apparatus to a " simple lockout " . That's what

> locksmiths and AAA are for. Maybe the locksmiths should start

> self-dispatching themselves to every fire call, just in case they're

> needed.

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you don't think your citizens appreciate a quick unlock and hold you

in high regard for it, you haven't had the opportunity to help someone

who finds themselves in trouble. It's why our citizens fund us.

Service doesn't stop with a fire, auto accident or EMS call. We even

get snakes out of houses!

Dick

>

> On Thursday, July 29, 2010 11:17, " Dick " dsmith@...

> > said:

>

> > We send the ambulance and truck to everything except a simple

> lockout. Even then,

> > we want to know if anyone is locked in the car or house. If so, they

> both go.

> >

> > We spend a lot of money on equipment, personnel and expenses. A little

> > diesel and usage is small potatoes by comparison. Let's not waste (or

> > render ineffective) dollars to save pennies.

>

> Sounds like you are already wasting a lot of dollars if you are

> responding fire apparatus to a " simple lockout " . That's what

> locksmiths and AAA are for. Maybe the locksmiths should start

> self-dispatching themselves to every fire call, just in case they're

> needed.

>

> Rob

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 16:18, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

>

> If you don't think your citizens appreciate a quick unlock and hold you

> in high regard for it, you haven't had the opportunity to help someone

> who finds themselves in trouble. It's why our citizens fund us.

I am positive that they appreciate it. But no, it is not why they fund you.

It's something you just do anyhow, for the reason you just mentioned, to justify

your funding. Politics. What other private industry do you think the fire

departments ought to compete with in order to schmooze the taxpayers? Maybe you

should deliver the mail too? How about you sell beer and cigarettes out of the

fire station? After all, 7-11 doesn't need that money. Can I call you to flush

out my septic tank for me? Hell, you might as well do something with all that

water you lug around for nothing. I remember when the fire departments were

whining and moaning about having to sell trash bags from the stations because it

wasn't their job and it was demeaning. But I guess if you get to ride to some

pretty lady's rescue, because she locked her keys in her car or house, that's

somehow less demeaning.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are taking

money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you go around

playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 16:18, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

>

> If you don't think your citizens appreciate a quick unlock and hold you

> in high regard for it, you haven't had the opportunity to help someone

> who finds themselves in trouble. It's why our citizens fund us.

I am positive that they appreciate it. But no, it is not why they fund you.

It's something you just do anyhow, for the reason you just mentioned, to justify

your funding. Politics. What other private industry do you think the fire

departments ought to compete with in order to schmooze the taxpayers? Maybe you

should deliver the mail too? How about you sell beer and cigarettes out of the

fire station? After all, 7-11 doesn't need that money. Can I call you to flush

out my septic tank for me? Hell, you might as well do something with all that

water you lug around for nothing. I remember when the fire departments were

whining and moaning about having to sell trash bags from the stations because it

wasn't their job and it was demeaning. But I guess if you get to ride to some

pretty lady's rescue, because she locked her keys in her car or house, that's

somehow less demeaning.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are taking

money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you go around

playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

Rob

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 16:18, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

>

> If you don't think your citizens appreciate a quick unlock and hold you

> in high regard for it, you haven't had the opportunity to help someone

> who finds themselves in trouble. It's why our citizens fund us.

I am positive that they appreciate it. But no, it is not why they fund you.

It's something you just do anyhow, for the reason you just mentioned, to justify

your funding. Politics. What other private industry do you think the fire

departments ought to compete with in order to schmooze the taxpayers? Maybe you

should deliver the mail too? How about you sell beer and cigarettes out of the

fire station? After all, 7-11 doesn't need that money. Can I call you to flush

out my septic tank for me? Hell, you might as well do something with all that

water you lug around for nothing. I remember when the fire departments were

whining and moaning about having to sell trash bags from the stations because it

wasn't their job and it was demeaning. But I guess if you get to ride to some

pretty lady's rescue, because she locked her keys in her car or house, that's

somehow less demeaning.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are taking

money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you go around

playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

Rob

[Guest guest]

_http://firechief.com/mag/firefighting_mrs_smiths_best/_

(http://firechief.com/mag/firefighting_mrs_smiths_best/)

An oldie (2000) but goodie. EMS could learn from at least one Fire Chief.

In case anyone wants a more modern treatise on the topic Essentials of Fire

Department Customer Service is a decent read and has applicability all

around in Public Safety.

_http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Essentials-of-Fire-Department-Customer-Ser

vice/Alan-V-Brunacini/e/9780879391270/?itm=2_

(http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Essentials-of-Fire-Department-Customer-Service\

/Alan-V-Brunacini/e/978087

9391270/?itm=2) .

Despite what the Bean Counters say it ain't just about beans.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/29/2010 4:52:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 16:18, " Dick " dsmith@...>

said:

>

> If you don't think your citizens appreciate a quick unlock and hold you

> in high regard for it, you haven't had the opportunity to help someone

> who finds themselves in trouble. It's why our citizens fund us.

I am positive that they appreciate it. But no, it is not why they fund

you. It's something you just do anyhow, for the reason you just mentioned,

to justify your funding. Politics. What other private industry do you

think the fire departments ought to compete with in order to schmooze the

taxpayers? Maybe you should deliver the mail too? How about you sell beer and

cigarettes out of the fire station? After all, 7-11 doesn't need that

money. Can I call you to flush out my septic tank for me? Hell, you might as

well do something with all that water you lug around for nothing. I

remember when the fire departments were whining and moaning about having to

sell

trash bags from the stations because it wasn't their job and it was

demeaning. But I guess if you get to ride to some pretty lady's rescue,

because

she locked her keys in her car or house, that's somehow less demeaning.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

Rob

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

[Guest guest]

_http://firechief.com/mag/firefighting_mrs_smiths_best/_

(http://firechief.com/mag/firefighting_mrs_smiths_best/)

An oldie (2000) but goodie. EMS could learn from at least one Fire Chief.

In case anyone wants a more modern treatise on the topic Essentials of Fire

Department Customer Service is a decent read and has applicability all

around in Public Safety.

_http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Essentials-of-Fire-Department-Customer-Ser

vice/Alan-V-Brunacini/e/9780879391270/?itm=2_

(http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Essentials-of-Fire-Department-Customer-Service\

/Alan-V-Brunacini/e/978087

9391270/?itm=2) .

Despite what the Bean Counters say it ain't just about beans.

Louis N. Molino, Sr., CET

FF/NREMT-B/FSI/EMSI

Freelance Consultant/Trainer/Author/Journalist/Fire Protection Consultant

LNMolino@...

(Cell Phone)

" A Texan with a Jersey Attitude "

" Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds

discuss people " Eleanor Roosevelt - US diplomat & reformer (1884 - 1962)

In a message dated 7/29/2010 4:52:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 16:18, " Dick " dsmith@...>

said:

>

> If you don't think your citizens appreciate a quick unlock and hold you

> in high regard for it, you haven't had the opportunity to help someone

> who finds themselves in trouble. It's why our citizens fund us.

I am positive that they appreciate it. But no, it is not why they fund

you. It's something you just do anyhow, for the reason you just mentioned,

to justify your funding. Politics. What other private industry do you

think the fire departments ought to compete with in order to schmooze the

taxpayers? Maybe you should deliver the mail too? How about you sell beer and

cigarettes out of the fire station? After all, 7-11 doesn't need that

money. Can I call you to flush out my septic tank for me? Hell, you might as

well do something with all that water you lug around for nothing. I

remember when the fire departments were whining and moaning about having to

sell

trash bags from the stations because it wasn't their job and it was

demeaning. But I guess if you get to ride to some pretty lady's rescue,

because

she locked her keys in her car or house, that's somehow less demeaning.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

Rob

------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

[Guest guest]

Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private enterprise

continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by AMR and

Acadian. That is one of the problems with our society today, too few people

believe in and provide public service.

Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

appreciate and support what you do.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

________________________________

From: texasems-l texasems-l >

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private enterprise

continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by AMR and

Acadian. That is one of the problems with our society today, too few people

believe in and provide public service.

Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

appreciate and support what you do.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

________________________________

From: texasems-l texasems-l >

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private enterprise

continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by AMR and

Acadian. That is one of the problems with our society today, too few people

believe in and provide public service.

Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

appreciate and support what you do.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

________________________________

From: texasems-l texasems-l >

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

Maybe if EMS adopted a " customer service " attitude and started running calls

instead of looking for ways NOT to transport, we'd have a better rapport with

the community -- and better support.  The fire service got really smart in

adopting Chief Brunacini's model (from Phoenix) and Chief Lasky's model from

ville.  They understand that satisfied citizens = supportive citizens.

Maybe the firefighters aren't so dumb....

-Wes Ogilvie

Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private enterprise

continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by AMR and

Acadian. That is one of the problems with our society today, too few people

believe in and provide public service.

Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

appreciate and support what you do.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

________________________________

From: texasems-l texasems-l >

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

Maybe if EMS adopted a " customer service " attitude and started running calls

instead of looking for ways NOT to transport, we'd have a better rapport with

the community -- and better support.  The fire service got really smart in

adopting Chief Brunacini's model (from Phoenix) and Chief Lasky's model from

ville.  They understand that satisfied citizens = supportive citizens.

Maybe the firefighters aren't so dumb....

-Wes Ogilvie

Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private enterprise

continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by AMR and

Acadian. That is one of the problems with our society today, too few people

believe in and provide public service.

Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

appreciate and support what you do.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

________________________________

From: texasems-l texasems-l >

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

Maybe if EMS adopted a " customer service " attitude and started running calls

instead of looking for ways NOT to transport, we'd have a better rapport with

the community -- and better support.  The fire service got really smart in

adopting Chief Brunacini's model (from Phoenix) and Chief Lasky's model from

ville.  They understand that satisfied citizens = supportive citizens.

Maybe the firefighters aren't so dumb....

-Wes Ogilvie

Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private enterprise

continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by AMR and

Acadian. That is one of the problems with our society today, too few people

believe in and provide public service.

Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

appreciate and support what you do.

Rick

Sent via Blackberry

________________________________

From: texasems-l texasems-l >

To: texasems-l texasems-l >

Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA, NMA,

their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's not

like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

ck

In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

rob.davis@... writes:

Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men when you

go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

[Guest guest]

Wes you do listen!

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

> Maybe if EMS adopted a " customer service " attitude and started

> running calls instead of looking for ways NOT to transport, we'd

> have a better rapport with the community -- and better support. The

> fire service got really smart in adopting Chief Brunacini's model

> (from Phoenix) and Chief Lasky's model from ville. They

> understand that satisfied citizens = supportive citizens.

>

> Maybe the firefighters aren't so dumb....

>

> -Wes Ogilvie

>

>

>

> Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the

> poor hard working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out

> a living, law enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure

> that private enterprise continues to make money and all EMS should

> probably be provided by AMR and Acadian. That is one of the problems

> with our society today, too few people believe in and provide public

> service.

> Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us

> that appreciate and support what you do.

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> ________________________________

> From: texasems-l texasems-l >

> To: texasems-l texasems-l >

> Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

> Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls

> in El Paso, Tx.

>

>

>

> and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with

> AAA, NMA,

> their auto insurance company or even their cell phone

> provider....it's not

> like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

>

> ck

>

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@...

> writes:

>

> Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you

> are

> taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men

> when you

> go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

>

>

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 18:13, rick.moore@... said:

> Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

> working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

> enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private enterprise

> continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by AMR and

> Acadian.

I fail to see the downside in that scenario.

[Guest guest]

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 18:13, rick.moore@... said:

> Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor hard

> working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a living, law

> enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that private enterprise

> continues to make money and all EMS should probably be provided by AMR and

> Acadian.

I fail to see the downside in that scenario.