RE: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso, Tx.

July 30, 2010

Yep PR that can price to be pretty handy.

Mrs. will likely bitch about anything until one day a nice helpful fella

or gal foes something for her. Then 3 4 6 Yeats layer some mean Mayor wants to

cut the nice fella or gals budget so instead of bitching she writes or calls

City Hall. Maybe goes to a meeting supporting that fella and gal and the guy or

gal that needs Mrs. 's vote just night hear her.

Stranger things happen.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

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Please excuse any typos.

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LNMolino@...

> yep...just like the *patient* is able to decide what is an emergency, up

> until the time comes for them to pay the bill for the ED....

>

> most of the stuff we are discussing should be properly billed by the

> department under " Public Relations. "

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 22:50:10 Central Daylight Time,

> dsmith@... writes:

>

> Yes, it is our job. And responding to people in distress is what we

> do. It's not politics, it's service. Do you really think the elderly

> need to call an electrician to change the battery in their smoke

> detector? Who do you call when the water is coming up to your house

> because the runoff water drains are plugged? And to the person who

> needs to leave for work and has a critical meeting and now finds his

> keys locked in his car, it is an emergency! It's all about service and

> exactly what the citizens are funding.

>

> Dick

>

July 30, 2010

No I do not know that. My response is based on my perception of what Rob

said. I believe his argument is a straw man argument as it indicates that

because the Fire Department performs a lock out service they are putting

Locksmiths out of business. I doubt there is any data whatsoever to support

that.

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of Grayson

Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:05 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

That's a straw man argument, Rick and you know it. You know that wasn't

what Rob was advocating.

While he delivered his opinion with his customary tact and charm (or

lack thereof), he's right. Unlocking cars is not the fire department's

job. This is not the public service tax dollars were intended for. The

only reason the cops or firefighters ought to be using their slim jim is

if the call includes the phrase " baby locked inside. "

On 7/29/2010 6:13 PM, rick.moore@...

wrote:

>

> Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor

> hard working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a

> living, law enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that

> private enterprise continues to make money and all EMS should probably

> be provided by AMR and Acadian. That is one of the problems with our

> society today, too few people believe in and provide public service.

> Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

> appreciate and support what you do.

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> ________________________________

> From: texasems-l

> texasems-l

>

> To: texasems-l

> texasems-l

>

> Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

> Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls

> in El Paso, Tx.

>

> and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA,

> NMA,

> their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's

> not

> like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@...

>

> writes:

>

> Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

> taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men

> when you

> go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

>

July 30, 2010

No I do not know that. My response is based on my perception of what Rob

said. I believe his argument is a straw man argument as it indicates that

because the Fire Department performs a lock out service they are putting

Locksmiths out of business. I doubt there is any data whatsoever to support

that.

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of Grayson

Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:05 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

That's a straw man argument, Rick and you know it. You know that wasn't

what Rob was advocating.

While he delivered his opinion with his customary tact and charm (or

lack thereof), he's right. Unlocking cars is not the fire department's

job. This is not the public service tax dollars were intended for. The

only reason the cops or firefighters ought to be using their slim jim is

if the call includes the phrase " baby locked inside. "

On 7/29/2010 6:13 PM, rick.moore@...

wrote:

>

> Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor

> hard working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a

> living, law enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that

> private enterprise continues to make money and all EMS should probably

> be provided by AMR and Acadian. That is one of the problems with our

> society today, too few people believe in and provide public service.

> Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

> appreciate and support what you do.

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> ________________________________

> From: texasems-l

> texasems-l

>

> To: texasems-l

> texasems-l

>

> Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

> Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls

> in El Paso, Tx.

>

> and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA,

> NMA,

> their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's

> not

> like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@...

>

> writes:

>

> Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

> taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men

> when you

> go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

>

July 30, 2010

I am with you there Rob. I am sure there are some fine county and VA hospitals

out there but they are not the norm and yes given the SAME budget and support

private industry would probably do a great job, but there are some things that I

just donâ€™t think should be put in the hands of for profit business and fire

protection, law enforcement and emergency medical services are on that list.

Rick

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of rob.davis@...

Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:15 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 19:06,

rick.moore@... said:

> I am not surprised.

You don't think that, given the same budget and support, private industry could

do every bit as good a job as the public sector? If this were true, why is it

that everyone wants to go to PRIVATE hospitals instead of the county hospital?

Why is it that I choose to go to a PRIVATE doctor instead of the VA?

Rob

July 30, 2010

If you are using a slim jim for a baby locked inside a locked car...then to

quote from a DI I once had in Basic " Your wrong! "

Proper tool for that job is a window punch.

>>> Grayson Grayson902@...> 7/29/2010 9:04 PM >>>

That's a straw man argument, Rick and you know it. You know that wasn't

what Rob was advocating.

While he delivered his opinion with his customary tact and charm (or

lack thereof), he's right. Unlocking cars is not the fire department's

job. This is not the public service tax dollars were intended for. The

only reason the cops or firefighters ought to be using their slim jim is

if the call includes the phrase " baby locked inside. "

>

> Using this logic municipal fire departments should go away so the poor

> hard working small business men who own Rural Metro can eek out a

> living, law enforcement should be replaced by Wackenhut to insure that

> private enterprise continues to make money and all EMS should probably

> be provided by AMR and Acadian. That is one of the problems with our

> society today, too few people believe in and provide public service.

> Keep running those lock out calls Dick there are still some of us that

> appreciate and support what you do.

> Rick

> Sent via Blackberry

>

> ________________________________

> From: texasems-l

> texasems-l >

> To: texasems-l

> texasems-l >

> Sent: Thu Jul 29 17:14:55 2010

> Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls

> in El Paso, Tx.

>

> and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA,

> NMA,

> their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's

> not

> like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@...

>

> writes:

>

> Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

> taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men

> when you

> go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

>

July 30, 2010

don't know about Marine DIs directly, but most of the Army Drill Sgts that I was

familiar with would spell it out.... " You ARE wrong.... "

rather than just making you take possesion of the incorrect act....

and if there is no enviormental reason (extremes of heat or cold) for the damage

to the window, why do it?

We are generally talking about PR moves here...not true emergencies

ck

Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls

> in El Paso, Tx.

>

> and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA,

> NMA,

> their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's

> not

> like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@...

>

;

> writes:

>

> Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

> taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men

> when you

> go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

>

July 30, 2010

don't know about Marine DIs directly, but most of the Army Drill Sgts that I was

familiar with would spell it out.... " You ARE wrong.... "

rather than just making you take possesion of the incorrect act....

and if there is no enviormental reason (extremes of heat or cold) for the damage

to the window, why do it?

We are generally talking about PR moves here...not true emergencies

ck

Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls

> in El Paso, Tx.

>

> and since many if not most drivers have a 'lock out' policy with AAA,

> NMA,

> their auto insurance company or even their cell phone provider....it's

> not

> like your constituents are out of a lot of money....

>

> ck

>

> In a message dated 7/29/2010 16:56:50 Central Daylight Time,

> rob.davis@...

>

;

> writes:

>

> Just because you can do something does not mean you should. And you are

> taking money out of the pockets of hard working small business men

> when you

> go around playing the hero with your slim jim. It's not your job.

>

July 30, 2010

If you have to respond in an emergency mode then pop the glass, this is a

" rescue. "

We don't always need to pop the window. If there is no medical necessity for

popping the window, i.e. the child is awake, acting appropriately, then we

should give the lock kit or slim jim a chance. If these tools don't work or the

kid starts going downhill, then pop the window as the logical next step.

Just because it's a rescue doesn't mean we have to de-construct the vehicle.

That's why we check to see if the doors are unlocked before cranking up the

jaws.

Barry

Barry Sharp, MSHP, CHES

Tobacco Prevention & Control Program Coordinator

Substance Abuse Services Unit

Mental Health and Substance Abuse Division

________________________________

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of lwd7734@...

Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 9:54 AM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

I agree with this as well. Why are fire engines responding in an emergency mode,

blowing stop signs/lights and getting to the scene and then pull out the lock

kit or slim jim. If you have to respond in an emergency mode then pop the glass,

this is a " rescue. " These departments never even consider the liability they

have if they end up in a wreck and hurt or kill someone.

__________________________________________________________

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July 30, 2010

Maybe folks who leave their kids or pets locked in the vehicle deserve to have

us use it for extrication tool practice. Just clip the roof off and that might

make a lasting impression on these morons.

GG

Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

I agree with this as well. Why are fire engines responding in an emergency mode,

blowing stop signs/lights and getting to the scene and then pull out the lock

kit or slim jim. If you have to respond in an emergency mode then pop the glass,

this is a " rescue. " These departments never even consider the liability they

have if they end up in a wreck and hurt or kill someone.

__________________________________________________________

Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance

If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program

http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4c52e7a0de0064b47abst04vuc

July 30, 2010

Amen Gene!!!

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On Behalf

Of wegandy@...

Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 7:10 PM

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

Maybe folks who leave their kids or pets locked in the vehicle deserve to have

us use it for extrication tool practice. Just clip the roof off and that might

make a lasting impression on these morons.

GG

Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El Paso,

Tx.

I agree with this as well. Why are fire engines responding in an emergency mode,

blowing stop signs/lights and getting to the scene and then pull out the lock

kit or slim jim. If you have to respond in an emergency mode then pop the glass,

this is a " rescue. " These departments never even consider the liability they

have if they end up in a wreck and hurt or kill someone.

__________________________________________________________

Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance

If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program

http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/4c52e7a0de0064b47abst04vuc

July 30, 2010

On Thursday, July 29, 2010 22:49, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

> And to the person who

> needs to leave for work and has a critical meeting and now finds his

> keys locked in his car, it is an emergency!

Can you share with us the training process your men undergo in lockout

mitigation? Certainly, they undergo a significant process that teaches them to

do the process quickly, competently, and safely, right? I can't imagine that

you would be just sending any old guy out with a Slim Jim and saying, " Figure it

out! "

> It's all about service and exactly what the citizens are funding.

Do you have any numbers on that claim? I'd be willing to bet that, if you

polled your citizens, the number of them who are aware they are funding a

locksmith service would be extremely small.

I'm all for customer service and satisfaction. I have always made that a

priority. But it is also important to stay in our own lane. And the locksmiths

of your community are customers, just like the rest of your citizens. They

deserve the same consideration, not to have food taken out of their families

mouths.

Rob

July 30, 2010

Where is the locksmith revolt?

As far as proving the value of the PR stuff we are discussing I refer you or

anyone to the books and articles I cited earlier.

Despite what is said FD's across America have had many good and positive things

come from these types of Programs and I seriously doubt the negatives that are

oft cited in phantom ways out weigh the good overall.

I am somehow reminded of an old saying about wrestling with a pig. (no, I am not

calling any person on this list a pig if I were it would be direct and very

clear as to my motive, it's called a metaphor.)

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Jul 30, 2010, at 19:26, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Thursday, July 29, 2010 22:49, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

>

>> And to the person who

>> needs to leave for work and has a critical meeting and now finds his

>> keys locked in his car, it is an emergency!

>

> Can you share with us the training process your men undergo in lockout

mitigation? Certainly, they undergo a significant process that teaches them to

do the process quickly, competently, and safely, right? I can't imagine that

you would be just sending any old guy out with a Slim Jim and saying, " Figure it

out! "

>

>> It's all about service and exactly what the citizens are funding.

>

> Do you have any numbers on that claim? I'd be willing to bet that, if you

polled your citizens, the number of them who are aware they are funding a

locksmith service would be extremely small.

>

> I'm all for customer service and satisfaction. I have always made that a

priority. But it is also important to stay in our own lane. And the locksmiths

of your community are customers, just like the rest of your citizens. They

deserve the same consideration, not to have food taken out of their families

mouths.

>

> Rob

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 30, 2010

Where is the locksmith revolt?

As far as proving the value of the PR stuff we are discussing I refer you or

anyone to the books and articles I cited earlier.

Despite what is said FD's across America have had many good and positive things

come from these types of Programs and I seriously doubt the negatives that are

oft cited in phantom ways out weigh the good overall.

I am somehow reminded of an old saying about wrestling with a pig. (no, I am not

calling any person on this list a pig if I were it would be direct and very

clear as to my motive, it's called a metaphor.)

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Jul 30, 2010, at 19:26, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Thursday, July 29, 2010 22:49, " Dick " dsmith@...> said:

>

>> And to the person who

>> needs to leave for work and has a critical meeting and now finds his

>> keys locked in his car, it is an emergency!

>

> Can you share with us the training process your men undergo in lockout

mitigation? Certainly, they undergo a significant process that teaches them to

do the process quickly, competently, and safely, right? I can't imagine that

you would be just sending any old guy out with a Slim Jim and saying, " Figure it

out! "

>

>> It's all about service and exactly what the citizens are funding.

>

> Do you have any numbers on that claim? I'd be willing to bet that, if you

polled your citizens, the number of them who are aware they are funding a

locksmith service would be extremely small.

>

> I'm all for customer service and satisfaction. I have always made that a

priority. But it is also important to stay in our own lane. And the locksmiths

of your community are customers, just like the rest of your citizens. They

deserve the same consideration, not to have food taken out of their families

mouths.

>

> Rob

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 30, 2010

On Friday, July 30, 2010 19:39, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said:

> Where is the locksmith revolt?

Have you asked any of them? I'm betting that they would ask you before they set

up a competing fire department or ambulance service. Why not the same

consideration for them?

> As far as proving the value of the PR stuff we are discussing I refer you or

> anyone to the books and articles I cited earlier.

I don't believe anyone here has questioned the value of it. We are questioning

the ethics of it. Some of us don't believe that narcissistic value outweighs

the ethics involved.

Rob

July 30, 2010

Rob,

Where I hail from if a locksmith or anyone puts out a fire or does a good deed

EMS wise we gave them awards. I know this is also done in Texas EMS and I am

sure by FD's as well.

If anyone were to complain say a locksmith again where I come from we'd address

that too. Civilly.

As far as the ethics why have I never once in a near 30 year fire service career

heard of any City Attorney telling his Fire Chief to stop these kinds of things

save in the vases where the one or two complaints or suits (if ever?) were

brought to bear based on an ethics issue?

As far as narcissism well to be frank some folks who think they walk on water

and all others below are a waste and sees a noble profession and calling as a

seeming waste of time, effort and money. Well I've wasted enough of those

resources on this thread.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Jul 30, 2010, at 19:50, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Friday, July 30, 2010 19:39, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> Where is the locksmith revolt?

>

> Have you asked any of them? I'm betting that they would ask you before they

set up a competing fire department or ambulance service. Why not the same

consideration for them?

>

>> As far as proving the value of the PR stuff we are discussing I refer you or

>> anyone to the books and articles I cited earlier.

>

> I don't believe anyone here has questioned the value of it. We are

questioning the ethics of it. Some of us don't believe that narcissistic value

outweighs the ethics involved.

>

> Rob

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 30, 2010

Rob,

Where I hail from if a locksmith or anyone puts out a fire or does a good deed

EMS wise we gave them awards. I know this is also done in Texas EMS and I am

sure by FD's as well.

If anyone were to complain say a locksmith again where I come from we'd address

that too. Civilly.

As far as the ethics why have I never once in a near 30 year fire service career

heard of any City Attorney telling his Fire Chief to stop these kinds of things

save in the vases where the one or two complaints or suits (if ever?) were

brought to bear based on an ethics issue?

As far as narcissism well to be frank some folks who think they walk on water

and all others below are a waste and sees a noble profession and calling as a

seeming waste of time, effort and money. Well I've wasted enough of those

resources on this thread.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Jul 30, 2010, at 19:50, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Friday, July 30, 2010 19:39, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> Where is the locksmith revolt?

>

> Have you asked any of them? I'm betting that they would ask you before they

set up a competing fire department or ambulance service. Why not the same

consideration for them?

>

>> As far as proving the value of the PR stuff we are discussing I refer you or

>> anyone to the books and articles I cited earlier.

>

> I don't believe anyone here has questioned the value of it. We are

questioning the ethics of it. Some of us don't believe that narcissistic value

outweighs the ethics involved.

>

> Rob

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 30, 2010

On Friday, July 30, 2010 20:14, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said:

> As far as the ethics why have I never once in a near 30 year fire service

career

> heard of any City Attorney telling his Fire Chief to stop these kinds of

things

> save in the vases where the one or two complaints or suits (if ever?) were

brought

> to bear based on an ethics issue?

I'm surprised. I would expect that you were much more closely attuned to the

goings-on of the fire service than Doc Krin or I, yet we have heard of them.

> As far as narcissism well to be frank some folks who think they walk on water

and

> all others below are a waste and sees a noble profession and calling as a

seeming

> waste of time, effort and money.

Au contraire! I see locksmithing as a very noble profession. Not at all a

waste of time, effort, or money. That is why I have a hard time understanding

why firemen choose to take food out of their families's mouths to score cheap

political points.

Why stop at locksmithing and EMS? What other businesses do you believe the fire

service should get into in order to justify their existence? Heck, you're

cooking three meals a day anyhow, why not open a restaurant at every station?

It only takes half an hour to clean a station, so why not start a pop-in maid

service to spend the other 23 1/2 hours on? And all that water could certainly

be used to flush septic systems, fill stock tanks, water farms and gardens, wash

the streets. Heck, wash 18 wheelers at the truck stop! Don't you think your

" customers " would appreciate that?

Where does it end? Personally, as a former professional firefighter, I take

offence to the notion that putting my life on the line isn't enough to justify

my salary.

Rob

July 30, 2010

Rob I doubt I'd have seen you as a professional. You were paid.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

(Cell)

LNMolino@...

On Jul 30, 2010, at 20:25, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Friday, July 30, 2010 20:14, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> As far as the ethics why have I never once in a near 30 year fire service

career

>> heard of any City Attorney telling his Fire Chief to stop these kinds of

things

>> save in the vases where the one or two complaints or suits (if ever?) were

brought

>> to bear based on an ethics issue?

>

> I'm surprised. I would expect that you were much more closely attuned to the

goings-on of the fire service than Doc Krin or I, yet we have heard of them.

>

>> As far as narcissism well to be frank some folks who think they walk on water

and

>> all others below are a waste and sees a noble profession and calling as a

seeming

>> waste of time, effort and money.

>

> Au contraire! I see locksmithing as a very noble profession. Not at all a

waste of time, effort, or money. That is why I have a hard time understanding

why firemen choose to take food out of their families's mouths to score cheap

political points.

>

> Why stop at locksmithing and EMS? What other businesses do you believe the

fire service should get into in order to justify their existence? Heck, you're

cooking three meals a day anyhow, why not open a restaurant at every station?

It only takes half an hour to clean a station, so why not start a pop-in maid

service to spend the other 23 1/2 hours on? And all that water could certainly

be used to flush septic systems, fill stock tanks, water farms and gardens, wash

the streets. Heck, wash 18 wheelers at the truck stop! Don't you think your

" customers " would appreciate that?

>

> Where does it end? Personally, as a former professional firefighter, I take

offence to the notion that putting my life on the line isn't enough to justify

my salary.

>

> Rob

>

> ------------------------------------

>

July 30, 2010

Rob I doubt I'd have seen you as a professional. You were paid.

Louis N. Molino, Sr. CET

FF/NREMT/FSI/EMSI

Typed by my fingers on my iPhone.

Please excuse any typos.

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On Jul 30, 2010, at 20:25, " rob.davis@... "

rob.davis@...> wrote:

> On Friday, July 30, 2010 20:14, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...>

said:

>

>> As far as the ethics why have I never once in a near 30 year fire service

career

>> heard of any City Attorney telling his Fire Chief to stop these kinds of

things

>> save in the vases where the one or two complaints or suits (if ever?) were

brought

>> to bear based on an ethics issue?

>

> I'm surprised. I would expect that you were much more closely attuned to the

goings-on of the fire service than Doc Krin or I, yet we have heard of them.

>

>> As far as narcissism well to be frank some folks who think they walk on water

and

>> all others below are a waste and sees a noble profession and calling as a

seeming

>> waste of time, effort and money.

>

> Au contraire! I see locksmithing as a very noble profession. Not at all a

waste of time, effort, or money. That is why I have a hard time understanding

why firemen choose to take food out of their families's mouths to score cheap

political points.

>

> Why stop at locksmithing and EMS? What other businesses do you believe the

fire service should get into in order to justify their existence? Heck, you're

cooking three meals a day anyhow, why not open a restaurant at every station?

It only takes half an hour to clean a station, so why not start a pop-in maid

service to spend the other 23 1/2 hours on? And all that water could certainly

be used to flush septic systems, fill stock tanks, water farms and gardens, wash

the streets. Heck, wash 18 wheelers at the truck stop! Don't you think your

" customers " would appreciate that?

>

> Where does it end? Personally, as a former professional firefighter, I take

offence to the notion that putting my life on the line isn't enough to justify

my salary.

>

> Rob

>

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July 30, 2010

On Friday, July 30, 2010 20:36, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said:

> Rob I doubt I'd have seen you as a professional. You were paid.

Actually, " scab " was the word that was used, since I refused to join the union.

So much for " The Brotherhood " . Thank God for a Right To Work state.

But yeah, I figured you would think me unprofessional, since I don't think

firemen " walk on water and all others below are a waste " , as you put it. After

all, if we don't believe our own hype, who else will?

Rob

July 30, 2010

On Friday, July 30, 2010 20:36, " Louis N. Molino, Sr. " lnmolino@...> said:

> Rob I doubt I'd have seen you as a professional. You were paid.

Actually, " scab " was the word that was used, since I refused to join the union.

So much for " The Brotherhood " . Thank God for a Right To Work state.

But yeah, I figured you would think me unprofessional, since I don't think

firemen " walk on water and all others below are a waste " , as you put it. After

all, if we don't believe our own hype, who else will?

Rob

July 31, 2010

I think that sounds nice and fair.

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

> Maybe folks who leave their kids or pets locked in the vehicle deserve to have

us use it for extrication tool practice. Just clip the roof off and that might

make a lasting impression on these morons.

>

> GG

>

> Re: Re: Fewer Firefighters to Respond to Calls in El

Paso, Tx.

>

> I agree with this as well. Why are fire engines responding in an emergency

mode, blowing stop signs/lights and getting to the scene and then pull out the

lock kit or slim jim. If you have to respond in an emergency mode then pop the

glass, this is a " rescue. " These departments never even consider the liability

they have if they end up in a wreck and hurt or kill someone.

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August 2, 2010

Sorry - I've been in class for a few days with no chance to read the list.

It's true that the PR benefit is fantastic, but what motivates me is the

look on people's faces and the feeling in my heart when I can help

someone. Louis makes a wonderful point, and I do appreciate the

positive feedback we get. But it's helping others that really counts

for me. I hope that every day will bring one or two little things that

I can do because I know that structure fires, heart attacks, massive

bleeds, etc. are few and far between. I am still amazed at how

appreciative people are for what we do. My God, why are you in this

business if it is not for that?

Dick

>

> In fact most career departments will tell you 80 to 90 % of a given

> budget is in salaries and benifits. Slightly less in combination

> departments.

>

> If you look at the links I provided and read some of that stuff even

> the stuff that's 100% fire oriented could be changed up to an EMS only

> operation.

>

> A firefighter that takes 5 minutes to put a kids bike chain back on in

> the Wal-mart parking lot does more good than a lot of things done by

> some agencies in Government service.

>

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August 2, 2010