Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

[Guest guest]

LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a bit

different.

If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I should be

grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in every joint

that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of arthritic joints!

Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to give the dumb

docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all in our

heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

(Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been reported many

times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure felt good to " carry on " a

bit today. )

CindyH

Wisc.

[Guest guest]

LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a bit

different.

If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I should be

grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in every joint

that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of arthritic joints!

Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to give the dumb

docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all in our

heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

(Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been reported many

times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure felt good to " carry on " a

bit today. )

CindyH

Wisc.

[Guest guest]

God, I'm with ya Cindy!!! I am FUMING that articles like this are

allowed to come out!! Why don't they go to 'THE' source - meaning

EDSers and probably Marfans?!?!?!? It's crap like this that makes

doctors THINK they know what they're reading/talking about! I may

try to write a letter to this doctor - I am really pi - -ed off!

Love Lana

p.s. my hands hurt all the time, esp. my thumbs.

> LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

> They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a

bit different.

>

> If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I

should be grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

> Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in

every joint that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of

arthritic joints!

>

> Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to

give the dumb docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all

in our heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

> (Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been

reported many times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure

felt good to " carry on " a bit today. )

> CindyH

> Wisc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't help but notice they seemed to base their results soley on X-

rays. From what I've read on EDS, many times x-rays appear normal,

even when damage is present (I know I've experienced this first-hand

in more than one joint). I wonder how many of the people in the

study had x-rays that showed no arthritis but still had pain,

stiffness or other symptoms in their finger joints. Hmmm...

>

> Each volunteer's joints were examined and scored for the degree of

> double-jointedness. X-rays of the finger joints determined the

existence of

> joint damage from osteoarthritis.

>

[Guest guest]

My EDS son's doctors, the genecticist, rheumy, and the osteo all

told me not to allow hyperextension of his joints because that can

cause arthritis in the future. I'm glad they are well informed at

least about that. Now about the other stuff...

~Duv

[Guest guest]

My EDS son's doctors, the genecticist, rheumy, and the osteo all

told me not to allow hyperextension of his joints because that can

cause arthritis in the future. I'm glad they are well informed at

least about that. Now about the other stuff...

~Duv

[Guest guest]

I thought I would poke around and find a bit more about who wrote the

article; and who reviewed it. I am wondering after looking at some of the

other articles she has written who funds her writing; and WebMD

http://my.webmd.com/content/biography/7/1756_50703

Jeanie Lerche has been with WebMD since 1999. She researches, reports,

and writes daily news stories and health features.

Ms. handled media relations for several museums in Illinois and

Virginia before focusing her writing career on health and medicine in 1990.

In Houston, she wrote for the University of Texas M.D. Cancer

Center and St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital/Texas Heart Institute. She moved to

Atlanta in early 1996 and wrote for the American Cancer Society, Emory

University Health Sciences Center, the Atlanta Business Chronicle, and

others.

She has received numerous awards, most recently a 2003 Circle of Exellence

Media Award from the American Society for Plastic Surgeons for a feature on

trends in cosmetic surgery.

http://my.webmd.com/content/Biography/7/40428.htm

Brunilda Nazario, MD, is responsible for reviewing WebMD news and feature

stories and graphics to ensure their medical accuracy. She joined WebMD in

2002.

After obtaining her medical degree at the University of Noreste School of

Medicine in Mexico, Brunilda Nazario, MD, completed her residency in

internal medicine at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City and a

fellowship in endocrinology and metabolism at the University of California

in Irvine. Her fellowship involved research of vascular peptides and their

interaction, for which she received the Merck Fellow Award in 1994. After

her fellowship, Nazario joined the faculty of the University of California

in Irvine. Later, she joined the faculty at the University of New Mexico in

Albuquerque. She also had a private practice in Santa Fe, N.M.

In 1995, Dr. Nazario accepted a position as a consultant in endocrinology,

focusing on hypertension, lipid and diabetes management, nutritional and

weight management, and endocrine gland disorders. She also worked with many

women suffering from reproductive endocrine issues such as polycystic ovary

syndrome, hirsutism, basic infertility management, and menopausal management

with special focus on osteoporosis. She was invited to be a consultant for

the Therapeutic Options for Menopausal Health in 1999 and 2000 and the

Council on Hormone Education in 2002. Recently, special interest in lipid

disorders has led to her involvement in the s Hopkins University of

Medicine Lipid Disorders Training Center Program.

Dr. Nazario is board-certified in both internal medicine, and endocrinology

and metabolism. She is also affiliated with numerous organizations including

the American college of Physicians, The Endocrine Society, and the American

Diabetes Association for Health Professionals.

http://www.vrselfhelp.com/education/articles/general.asp

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/83/97714.htm

http://webcenter.health.webmd.netscape.com/content/article/61/67347.htm

Chemicals Not Linked to Gulf War Illness

No Evidence That Solvents, Insecticides Caused Veterans' Symptoms

by Jeanie Lerche 

http://my.webmd.com/content/pages/8/3045_143

Since its inception, WebMD has sought sponsorships from trusted and credible

research organizations, manufacturers, and other leaders dedicated to

treating and managing your health. Although there is a commercial benefit

for WebMD, sponsor information also benefits WebMD users by providing them

with the most up-to-date information on medications, medical devices, health

services, and therapies in the marketplace. ... Many times, third parties

offer to provide funding for the creation of WebMD original Editorial

content without having any influence over it. ...

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/60/67018.htm

The WebMD Editorial staff gets its stories from an array of sources:

peer-reviewed medical journals, medical conferences, federal or state

government actions, and enterprise material derived from interviews with

medical experts. The majority of stories originate from studies published in

peer-reviewed medical journals. WebMD also believes that valuable content is

available from WebMD sponsors, advertisers, and partners, but that such

content must be clearly labeled.

Each completed story to be published is reviewed by a medical editor for

accuracy, appropriateness of medical language, and proper characterization

of the findings. The story is next reviewed by an Assistant Managing Editor

who edits it for style, flow, punctuation, and readability. Finally, the

story moves from editing to publishing, where it is converted to HTML and

published to the site...

On 7/7/04 2:15 PM, " ceda " ceda > wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

>

> ...! I may

> try to write a letter to this doctor ...

[Guest guest]

I thought I would poke around and find a bit more about who wrote the

article; and who reviewed it. I am wondering after looking at some of the

other articles she has written who funds her writing; and WebMD

http://my.webmd.com/content/biography/7/1756_50703

Jeanie Lerche has been with WebMD since 1999. She researches, reports,

and writes daily news stories and health features.

Ms. handled media relations for several museums in Illinois and

Virginia before focusing her writing career on health and medicine in 1990.

In Houston, she wrote for the University of Texas M.D. Cancer

Center and St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital/Texas Heart Institute. She moved to

Atlanta in early 1996 and wrote for the American Cancer Society, Emory

University Health Sciences Center, the Atlanta Business Chronicle, and

others.

She has received numerous awards, most recently a 2003 Circle of Exellence

Media Award from the American Society for Plastic Surgeons for a feature on

trends in cosmetic surgery.

http://my.webmd.com/content/Biography/7/40428.htm

Brunilda Nazario, MD, is responsible for reviewing WebMD news and feature

stories and graphics to ensure their medical accuracy. She joined WebMD in

2002.

After obtaining her medical degree at the University of Noreste School of

Medicine in Mexico, Brunilda Nazario, MD, completed her residency in

internal medicine at Mount Sinai Medical Center in New York City and a

fellowship in endocrinology and metabolism at the University of California

in Irvine. Her fellowship involved research of vascular peptides and their

interaction, for which she received the Merck Fellow Award in 1994. After

her fellowship, Nazario joined the faculty of the University of California

in Irvine. Later, she joined the faculty at the University of New Mexico in

Albuquerque. She also had a private practice in Santa Fe, N.M.

In 1995, Dr. Nazario accepted a position as a consultant in endocrinology,

focusing on hypertension, lipid and diabetes management, nutritional and

weight management, and endocrine gland disorders. She also worked with many

women suffering from reproductive endocrine issues such as polycystic ovary

syndrome, hirsutism, basic infertility management, and menopausal management

with special focus on osteoporosis. She was invited to be a consultant for

the Therapeutic Options for Menopausal Health in 1999 and 2000 and the

Council on Hormone Education in 2002. Recently, special interest in lipid

disorders has led to her involvement in the s Hopkins University of

Medicine Lipid Disorders Training Center Program.

Dr. Nazario is board-certified in both internal medicine, and endocrinology

and metabolism. She is also affiliated with numerous organizations including

the American college of Physicians, The Endocrine Society, and the American

Diabetes Association for Health Professionals.

http://www.vrselfhelp.com/education/articles/general.asp

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/83/97714.htm

http://webcenter.health.webmd.netscape.com/content/article/61/67347.htm

Chemicals Not Linked to Gulf War Illness

No Evidence That Solvents, Insecticides Caused Veterans' Symptoms

by Jeanie Lerche 

http://my.webmd.com/content/pages/8/3045_143

Since its inception, WebMD has sought sponsorships from trusted and credible

research organizations, manufacturers, and other leaders dedicated to

treating and managing your health. Although there is a commercial benefit

for WebMD, sponsor information also benefits WebMD users by providing them

with the most up-to-date information on medications, medical devices, health

services, and therapies in the marketplace. ... Many times, third parties

offer to provide funding for the creation of WebMD original Editorial

content without having any influence over it. ...

http://my.webmd.com/content/article/60/67018.htm

The WebMD Editorial staff gets its stories from an array of sources:

peer-reviewed medical journals, medical conferences, federal or state

government actions, and enterprise material derived from interviews with

medical experts. The majority of stories originate from studies published in

peer-reviewed medical journals. WebMD also believes that valuable content is

available from WebMD sponsors, advertisers, and partners, but that such

content must be clearly labeled.

Each completed story to be published is reviewed by a medical editor for

accuracy, appropriateness of medical language, and proper characterization

of the findings. The story is next reviewed by an Assistant Managing Editor

who edits it for style, flow, punctuation, and readability. Finally, the

story moves from editing to publishing, where it is converted to HTML and

published to the site...

On 7/7/04 2:15 PM, " ceda " ceda > wrote:

>

> Subject: Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

>

> ...! I may

> try to write a letter to this doctor ...

[Guest guest]

All my docs have said the same thing. Advances the chances of having more

bone on bone with causes the inflammation.

Keeping it in the socket is always the best!

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

My EDS son's doctors, the genecticist, rheumy, and the osteo all

told me not to allow hyperextension of his joints because that can

cause arthritis in the future. I'm glad they are well informed at

least about that. Now about the other stuff...

~Duv

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

[Guest guest]

You are right however NORMAL joints will show this on an x-ray. It

is just about the only way to Dx save the symptoms of pain and clicking and

swelling. That is why EDS is so silent especially as we age.

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

I can't help but notice they seemed to base their results soley on X-

rays. From what I've read on EDS, many times x-rays appear normal,

even when damage is present (I know I've experienced this first-hand

in more than one joint). I wonder how many of the people in the

study had x-rays that showed no arthritis but still had pain,

stiffness or other symptoms in their finger joints. Hmmm...

>

> Each volunteer's joints were examined and scored for the degree of

> double-jointedness. X-rays of the finger joints determined the

existence of

> joint damage from osteoarthritis.

>

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

[Guest guest]

You are right however NORMAL joints will show this on an x-ray. It

is just about the only way to Dx save the symptoms of pain and clicking and

swelling. That is why EDS is so silent especially as we age.

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

I can't help but notice they seemed to base their results soley on X-

rays. From what I've read on EDS, many times x-rays appear normal,

even when damage is present (I know I've experienced this first-hand

in more than one joint). I wonder how many of the people in the

study had x-rays that showed no arthritis but still had pain,

stiffness or other symptoms in their finger joints. Hmmm...

>

> Each volunteer's joints were examined and scored for the degree of

> double-jointedness. X-rays of the finger joints determined the

existence of

> joint damage from osteoarthritis.

>

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

[Guest guest]

You are right however NORMAL joints will show this on an x-ray. It

is just about the only way to Dx save the symptoms of pain and clicking and

swelling. That is why EDS is so silent especially as we age.

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

I can't help but notice they seemed to base their results soley on X-

rays. From what I've read on EDS, many times x-rays appear normal,

even when damage is present (I know I've experienced this first-hand

in more than one joint). I wonder how many of the people in the

study had x-rays that showed no arthritis but still had pain,

stiffness or other symptoms in their finger joints. Hmmm...

>

> Each volunteer's joints were examined and scored for the degree of

> double-jointedness. X-rays of the finger joints determined the

existence of

> joint damage from osteoarthritis.

>

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

[Guest guest]

Remember Lana..

As much as we have had bad experiences with docs. The one thing they DO

have in common is that they take what they read *and they do read a bunch*

with a grain of salt. If they took what they read as gospel all the time

there would be EVEN more confusion in the *practice* of medicine.

In my years of teaching physicians the one common thread is that they

questioned EVERYTHING and never let an article or two or study or three sway

them. That is.. Of course.. If they were diligent and that is the ONLY

kind of docs we want to be managing our EDS.

Debbi

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

God, I'm with ya Cindy!!! I am FUMING that articles like this are

allowed to come out!! Why don't they go to 'THE' source - meaning

EDSers and probably Marfans?!?!?!? It's crap like this that makes

doctors THINK they know what they're reading/talking about! I may

try to write a letter to this doctor - I am really pi - -ed off!

Love Lana

p.s. my hands hurt all the time, esp. my thumbs.

> LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

> They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a

bit different.

>

> If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I

should be grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

> Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in

every joint that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of

arthritic joints!

>

> Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to

give the dumb docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all

in our heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

> (Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been

reported many times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure

felt good to " carry on " a bit today. )

> CindyH

> Wisc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Remember Lana..

As much as we have had bad experiences with docs. The one thing they DO

have in common is that they take what they read *and they do read a bunch*

with a grain of salt. If they took what they read as gospel all the time

there would be EVEN more confusion in the *practice* of medicine.

In my years of teaching physicians the one common thread is that they

questioned EVERYTHING and never let an article or two or study or three sway

them. That is.. Of course.. If they were diligent and that is the ONLY

kind of docs we want to be managing our EDS.

Debbi

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

God, I'm with ya Cindy!!! I am FUMING that articles like this are

allowed to come out!! Why don't they go to 'THE' source - meaning

EDSers and probably Marfans?!?!?!? It's crap like this that makes

doctors THINK they know what they're reading/talking about! I may

try to write a letter to this doctor - I am really pi - -ed off!

Love Lana

p.s. my hands hurt all the time, esp. my thumbs.

> LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

> They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a

bit different.

>

> If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I

should be grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

> Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in

every joint that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of

arthritic joints!

>

> Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to

give the dumb docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all

in our heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

> (Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been

reported many times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure

felt good to " carry on " a bit today. )

> CindyH

> Wisc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, Deb, that is true also. Whew, glad you pointed that out to me. It

still makes me mad they don't try to find the real sufferers when doing this

kind of a study.

Love Lana 0:-)

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

God, I'm with ya Cindy!!! I am FUMING that articles like this are

allowed to come out!! Why don't they go to 'THE' source - meaning

EDSers and probably Marfans?!?!?!? It's crap like this that makes

doctors THINK they know what they're reading/talking about! I may

try to write a letter to this doctor - I am really pi - -ed off!

Love Lana

p.s. my hands hurt all the time, esp. my thumbs.

> LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

> They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a

bit different.

>

> If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I

should be grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

> Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in

every joint that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of

arthritic joints!

>

> Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to

give the dumb docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all

in our heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

> (Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been

reported many times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure

felt good to " carry on " a bit today. )

> CindyH

> Wisc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, Deb, that is true also. Whew, glad you pointed that out to me. It

still makes me mad they don't try to find the real sufferers when doing this

kind of a study.

Love Lana 0:-)

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

God, I'm with ya Cindy!!! I am FUMING that articles like this are

allowed to come out!! Why don't they go to 'THE' source - meaning

EDSers and probably Marfans?!?!?!? It's crap like this that makes

doctors THINK they know what they're reading/talking about! I may

try to write a letter to this doctor - I am really pi - -ed off!

Love Lana

p.s. my hands hurt all the time, esp. my thumbs.

> LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

> They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a

bit different.

>

> If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I

should be grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

> Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in

every joint that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of

arthritic joints!

>

> Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to

give the dumb docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all

in our heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

> (Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been

reported many times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure

felt good to " carry on " a bit today. )

> CindyH

> Wisc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all this information!! I've cooled down, but I still do want to

write to them, just to point out a few things about 'us'. I appreciate it!

Love Lana 0:-)

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

>

> ...! I may

> try to write a letter to this doctor ...

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

[Guest guest]

Thanks for all this information!! I've cooled down, but I still do want to

write to them, just to point out a few things about 'us'. I appreciate it!

Love Lana 0:-)

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

>

> ...! I may

> try to write a letter to this doctor ...

To learn more about EDS, visit our website: http://www.ehlersdanlos.ca

[Guest guest]

Yea I agree!

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

God, I'm with ya Cindy!!! I am FUMING that articles like this are

allowed to come out!! Why don't they go to 'THE' source - meaning

EDSers and probably Marfans?!?!?!? It's crap like this that makes

doctors THINK they know what they're reading/talking about! I may

try to write a letter to this doctor - I am really pi - -ed off!

Love Lana

p.s. my hands hurt all the time, esp. my thumbs.

> LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

> They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a

bit different.

>

> If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I

should be grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

> Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in

every joint that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of

arthritic joints!

>

> Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to

give the dumb docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all

in our heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

> (Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been

reported many times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure

felt good to " carry on " a bit today. )

> CindyH

> Wisc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yea I agree!

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

God, I'm with ya Cindy!!! I am FUMING that articles like this are

allowed to come out!! Why don't they go to 'THE' source - meaning

EDSers and probably Marfans?!?!?!? It's crap like this that makes

doctors THINK they know what they're reading/talking about! I may

try to write a letter to this doctor - I am really pi - -ed off!

Love Lana

p.s. my hands hurt all the time, esp. my thumbs.

> LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

> They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a

bit different.

>

> If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I

should be grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

> Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in

every joint that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of

arthritic joints!

>

> Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to

give the dumb docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all

in our heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

> (Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been

reported many times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure

felt good to " carry on " a bit today. )

> CindyH

> Wisc.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yea I agree!

Re: Double-Jointed? You May Have Less Arthritis

God, I'm with ya Cindy!!! I am FUMING that articles like this are

allowed to come out!! Why don't they go to 'THE' source - meaning

EDSers and probably Marfans?!?!?!? It's crap like this that makes

doctors THINK they know what they're reading/talking about! I may

try to write a letter to this doctor - I am really pi - -ed off!

Love Lana

p.s. my hands hurt all the time, esp. my thumbs.

> LOL!! What a laugh that is!!!

> They should try talking to some of us....their results may end up a

bit different.

>

> If this is accurate---I should have less arthritis...so guess I

should be grateful I do have loose joints or it would be worse!!!!

> Pray tell how it could be worse at 54..... I have arthritis in

every joint that's been hypermobile. .That's a heck of alot of

arthritic joints!

>

> Geez.....this ticks me off!!! And it keeps cropping up---just to

give the dumb docs a chance to see it, and to go on thinking it's all

in our heads..........grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>

> (Now that I've blown off some steam over something that's been

reported many times from many studies,my rant is over....BUT it sure

felt good to " carry on " a bit today. )

> CindyH

> Wisc.

>

>

>