Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

[Guest guest]

Incidentally,......I have a question about the officer's conduct in this matter.

it's called " Interference with an Emergency Call " , a class A Misdemeanor charge

which caries up to a year in jail and a 4,000.00 fine.

Why was this not brought to light? He pulled you over, and detained you, while

you were legitimately patient loaded, and continued to detain you once he was

informed that it was an emergency transport.

OMG....I would hate to be that cop.

Cougar!! 

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

To: texasems-l

Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:47 PM

 

I'm glad you posted references from the Texas Transportation Code,

Alyssa. It was nice to refresh my memory on some sections of it. Looking

through it, however, I noticed something that I am curious if anyone

else has noticed, or if there is another section to cover this.

§ 546.002 states that the permissible conduct as defined in §

546.001 only applies when " responding TO an emergency call " . Out of

curiosity, where in the statues does it allow ambulances that are

authorized emergency vehicles to exercise this " permissible conduct "

when transporting a patient TO the receiving facility?? Surely this

isn't something that was left out?? Just wondering!

Best Wishes,

Ben Oakley, LP

> > >

> > > From: jimmnn@...

> > > Subject: RE: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> > > To: texasems-l

> > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:12 PM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 16 over running non-emergent I almost have to wonder why your even

asking

> > >

> > > this question Marcus and what is your companies position on this

obvious

> > >

> > > violation of the traffic laws?

> > >

> > > Jim<

> > >

> > > Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> > >

> > > I am still dumbfounded over 24 hours after receiving a citation

from Houston

> > >

> > > PD for speeding in an ambulance while transporting a patient to

the Houston

> > >

> > > Medical Center yesterday. I was cited for 76 in a 60. A $245.00

fine. The

> > >

> > > flow of traffic was pretty much traveling at the same speed, I was

passing

> > >

> > > vehicles on the road and at the same time was was being passed by

vehicles.

> > >

> > > This occurred about 1/2 mile from the speed limit changing from 65

to 60

> > >

> > > miles an hour.

> > >

> > > I am a paramedic with over 16 years experience. 13 years of this

in the

> > >

> > > Gulf Coast Area transporting numerous patients into the medical

center. An

> > >

> > > EVOC instructor for over 6 years, so before you say it, YES I

should have

> > >

> > > known better.

> > >

> > > Here is my justification for my actions. The patient I was

transporting had

> > >

> > > a femur fracture from a fall that occurred on 01/10/2011, but was

not

> > >

> > > transported to our local ER for evaluation until 01/11/2011. This

patient

> > >

> > > was then being transferred to a hospital in the Medical Center for

further

> > >

> > > evaluation and treatment. The patient had a low H&H, and therefore

was in

> > >

> > > need of blood products. The patient has a history of HTN and

anxiety (more

> > >

> > > about that later). The patient started with a blood pressure

around

> > >

> > > 100/60 with a heart rate in the 120's, obvious signs of

compensating shock.

> > >

> > > We are transporting from a rural hospital about an hour from the

medical

> > >

> > > center. The patient in my professional opinion meets the criteria

for a

> > >

> > > priority emergency transport. Due to the increased risk of

transporting a

> > >

> > > patient priority traffic and the patient's history of anxiety; I

chose to

> > >

> > > transport the patient non-priority traffic. While on the highway

to the

> > >

> > > Medical Center the traffic as stated earlier was moving very well

and

> > >

> > > traffic was for the most part light in nature for about 15:30. I

was

> > >

> > > traveling in the left hand lane of the road with a group of

vehicles that

> > >

> > > were all traveling about the same speed. We had just passed 2

other patrol

> > >

> > > cars that were sitting on the side of the road, but they chose to

leave us

> > >

> > > alone. This officer chose me out of the group to pull over.

> > >

> > > He asked what is the reason for the excessive speed, and I advised

him that

> > >

> > > we were transporting a patient to the medical center that is in

need of

> > >

> > > blood products. He asked, " oh so you have a patient in the back? "

and I

> > >

> > > advised him that we did. He responded " but they are not bad enough

to need

> > >

> > > the lights and siren? " I advised him that I did not want to use

the lights

> > >

> > > and sirens and before I could explain why, given the patient's

anxiety, he

> > >

> > > asked for my license and proceeded to his patrol car. Upon

returning he

> > >

> > > stated that being that there is no explanation for the speed, I

was getting

> > >

> > > a citation. " Please sign here. "

> > >

> > > I can assure you that the look on my face was priceless,

non-verbally it

> > >

> > > read " REALLY? YOU ARE GIVING ME A CITATION....REALLY?.....NO

REALLY...A

> > >

> > > CITATION!!!! "

> > >

> > > I am just venting, and also putting the word out that obviously

you can and

> > >

> > > will be pulled over and receive a citation in the City of Houston

for

> > >

> > > speeding while transporting a patient to the hospital IN an

ambulance if you

> > >

> > > are not following ALL traffic laws.

> > >

> > > Questions:

> > >

> > > 1. Has anyone else had this happen?

> > >

> > > 2. If so, what did you do about it? Did you go to court and fight,

or did

> > >

> > > you just take it as a lesson learned and pay the fine?

> > >

> > > Mr. Marcus Finney

> > >

> > > mdfinney@...

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

That is possible... old man backing out a private drive, did not see the

ambulance, ambulance did not have audible warning device activate and

hit papa, papa died... family won over $1M lawsuit because law reads if

vehicle is in motion and visual warning devices are activated, audible

warning devices must also be in use.... True Story...

Les

NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

Chlor-Alkali Project Safety Represenative

Westlake Chemical

P.O. Box 228

36045 LA 30

Geismar, LA 70734-0228

e-Mail: lpowell@...

Telephone:

Fax:

Cell: 225.439-6552

http://www.texasemsat.org/>

" Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

Abraham Lincoln

________________________________

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Cougar!!

Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:35

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

Thats not possible, because there are times we NEED to run code 2.

Unstable cardiac, residential neighborhoods, hospital zones, etc.

Now.....through major intersections....absolutely. Full stop, lights,

sirens, eye contact with other drivers, and proceed with caution.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

> > BINGO...My thoughts exactly!

> >

> >__________________________________________________________

> > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!

> > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

That is possible... old man backing out a private drive, did not see the

ambulance, ambulance did not have audible warning device activate and

hit papa, papa died... family won over $1M lawsuit because law reads if

vehicle is in motion and visual warning devices are activated, audible

warning devices must also be in use.... True Story...

Les

NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

Chlor-Alkali Project Safety Represenative

Westlake Chemical

P.O. Box 228

36045 LA 30

Geismar, LA 70734-0228

e-Mail: lpowell@...

Telephone:

Fax:

Cell: 225.439-6552

http://www.texasemsat.org/>

" Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

Abraham Lincoln

________________________________

From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

Behalf Of Cougar!!

Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:35

To: texasems-l

Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

Thats not possible, because there are times we NEED to run code 2.

Unstable cardiac, residential neighborhoods, hospital zones, etc.

Now.....through major intersections....absolutely. Full stop, lights,

sirens, eye contact with other drivers, and proceed with caution.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

> > BINGO...My thoughts exactly!

> >

> >__________________________________________________________

> > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!

> > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This goes back to EMS driver education.

Lights and sirens are not a " license " they are a " request "

All precautions should be made, while running hot. If you hit someone while

running " hot " 99% of the time, you will be found to be " out of control "

The EVOC training explains all this. An EMS driver does NOT have the right of

way, and I mean right to just " blow' through. If someone is pulling out of a

drive, the EMS driver has duty to apply the brakes. Code 3 or not.

I guess, an EMT would just have to have actual experience, in this matter. To be

running full lights and sirens, and edge out across Hwy 6, and watch people just

blow past, disregarding you. And honking their horn, like you are an intruder in

their path. 

The lights and sirens are only a request. Unfortunately, a lot of people do not

give a hoot about that request.

Coug.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

> > BINGO...My thoughts exactly!

> >

> >__________________________________________________________

> > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!

> > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

This goes back to EMS driver education.

Lights and sirens are not a " license " they are a " request "

All precautions should be made, while running hot. If you hit someone while

running " hot " 99% of the time, you will be found to be " out of control "

The EVOC training explains all this. An EMS driver does NOT have the right of

way, and I mean right to just " blow' through. If someone is pulling out of a

drive, the EMS driver has duty to apply the brakes. Code 3 or not.

I guess, an EMT would just have to have actual experience, in this matter. To be

running full lights and sirens, and edge out across Hwy 6, and watch people just

blow past, disregarding you. And honking their horn, like you are an intruder in

their path. 

The lights and sirens are only a request. Unfortunately, a lot of people do not

give a hoot about that request.

Coug.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

> > BINGO...My thoughts exactly!

> >

> >__________________________________________________________

> > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!

> > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Is that a municipal law or a state law?

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

Sent from the itty bitty keyboard on my iPhone

> That is possible... old man backing out a private drive, did not see the

> ambulance, ambulance did not have audible warning device activate and

> hit papa, papa died... family won over $1M lawsuit because law reads if

> vehicle is in motion and visual warning devices are activated, audible

> warning devices must also be in use.... True Story...

>

> Les

>

> NREMT-Paramedic, HM-M, CSST, SAPA, RSO, AHA-TCF

>

> Senior Safety Coordinator / Emergency Response Chief

>

> Chlor-Alkali Project Safety Represenative

>

> Westlake Chemical

>

> P.O. Box 228

>

> 36045 LA 30

>

> Geismar, LA 70734-0228

>

> e-Mail: lpowell@...

>

> Telephone:

>

> Fax:

>

> Cell: 225.439-6552

>

> http://www.texasemsat.org/>

>

> " Next to creating a life, the finest thing a man can do is save one. " -

> Abraham Lincoln

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: texasems-l [mailto:texasems-l ] On

> Behalf Of Cougar!!

> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:35

> To: texasems-l

> Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> Thats not possible, because there are times we NEED to run code 2.

> Unstable cardiac, residential neighborhoods, hospital zones, etc.

> Now.....through major intersections....absolutely. Full stop, lights,

> sirens, eye contact with other drivers, and proceed with caution.

>

> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

>

>

> >

>

> > > BINGO...My thoughts exactly!

>

> > >

>

> > >__________________________________________________________

>

> > > Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat!

>

> > > http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210

>

> > >

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

The statute of real interest to me during this entire discussion is thr

applicability Section 81.102 of the Texas Government Code.

Wes, the Jew lawyer on the list

On the move from my iPhone

> Incidentally,......I have a question about the officer's conduct in this

matter.

>

> it's called " Interference with an Emergency Call " , a class A Misdemeanor

charge which caries up to a year in jail and a 4,000.00 fine.

> Why was this not brought to light? He pulled you over, and detained you, while

you were legitimately patient loaded, and continued to detain you once he was

informed that it was an emergency transport.

> OMG....I would hate to be that cop.

> Cougar!!

> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> To: texasems-l

> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:47 PM

>

>

>

> I'm glad you posted references from the Texas Transportation Code,

>

> Alyssa. It was nice to refresh my memory on some sections of it. Looking

>

> through it, however, I noticed something that I am curious if anyone

>

> else has noticed, or if there is another section to cover this.

>

> § 546.002 states that the permissible conduct as defined in §

>

> 546.001 only applies when " responding TO an emergency call " . Out of

>

> curiosity, where in the statues does it allow ambulances that are

>

> authorized emergency vehicles to exercise this " permissible conduct "

>

> when transporting a patient TO the receiving facility?? Surely this

>

> isn't something that was left out?? Just wondering!

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Ben Oakley, LP

>

>

>

> > > >

>

> > > > From: jimmnn@...

>

> > > > Subject: RE: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> > > > To: texasems-l

>

> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:12 PM

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 16 over running non-emergent I almost have to wonder why your even

>

> asking

>

> > > >

>

> > > > this question Marcus and what is your companies position on this

>

> obvious

>

> > > >

>

> > > > violation of the traffic laws?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Jim<

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am still dumbfounded over 24 hours after receiving a citation

>

> from Houston

>

> > > >

>

> > > > PD for speeding in an ambulance while transporting a patient to

>

> the Houston

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Medical Center yesterday. I was cited for 76 in a 60. A $245.00

>

> fine. The

>

> > > >

>

> > > > flow of traffic was pretty much traveling at the same speed, I was

>

> passing

>

> > > >

>

> > > > vehicles on the road and at the same time was was being passed by

>

> vehicles.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > This occurred about 1/2 mile from the speed limit changing from 65

>

> to 60

>

> > > >

>

> > > > miles an hour.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am a paramedic with over 16 years experience. 13 years of this

>

> in the

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Gulf Coast Area transporting numerous patients into the medical

>

> center. An

>

> > > >

>

> > > > EVOC instructor for over 6 years, so before you say it, YES I

>

> should have

>

> > > >

>

> > > > known better.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Here is my justification for my actions. The patient I was

>

> transporting had

>

> > > >

>

> > > > a femur fracture from a fall that occurred on 01/10/2011, but was

>

> not

>

> > > >

>

> > > > transported to our local ER for evaluation until 01/11/2011. This

>

> patient

>

> > > >

>

> > > > was then being transferred to a hospital in the Medical Center for

>

> further

>

> > > >

>

> > > > evaluation and treatment. The patient had a low H&H, and therefore

>

> was in

>

> > > >

>

> > > > need of blood products. The patient has a history of HTN and

>

> anxiety (more

>

> > > >

>

> > > > about that later). The patient started with a blood pressure

>

> around

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 100/60 with a heart rate in the 120's, obvious signs of

>

> compensating shock.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > We are transporting from a rural hospital about an hour from the

>

> medical

>

> > > >

>

> > > > center. The patient in my professional opinion meets the criteria

>

> for a

>

> > > >

>

> > > > priority emergency transport. Due to the increased risk of

>

> transporting a

>

> > > >

>

> > > > patient priority traffic and the patient's history of anxiety; I

>

> chose to

>

> > > >

>

> > > > transport the patient non-priority traffic. While on the highway

>

> to the

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Medical Center the traffic as stated earlier was moving very well

>

> and

>

> > > >

>

> > > > traffic was for the most part light in nature for about 15:30. I

>

> was

>

> > > >

>

> > > > traveling in the left hand lane of the road with a group of

>

> vehicles that

>

> > > >

>

> > > > were all traveling about the same speed. We had just passed 2

>

> other patrol

>

> > > >

>

> > > > cars that were sitting on the side of the road, but they chose to

>

> leave us

>

> > > >

>

> > > > alone. This officer chose me out of the group to pull over.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > He asked what is the reason for the excessive speed, and I advised

>

> him that

>

> > > >

>

> > > > we were transporting a patient to the medical center that is in

>

> need of

>

> > > >

>

> > > > blood products. He asked, " oh so you have a patient in the back? "

>

> and I

>

> > > >

>

> > > > advised him that we did. He responded " but they are not bad enough

>

> to need

>

> > > >

>

> > > > the lights and siren? " I advised him that I did not want to use

>

> the lights

>

> > > >

>

> > > > and sirens and before I could explain why, given the patient's

>

> anxiety, he

>

> > > >

>

> > > > asked for my license and proceeded to his patrol car. Upon

>

> returning he

>

> > > >

>

> > > > stated that being that there is no explanation for the speed, I

>

> was getting

>

> > > >

>

> > > > a citation. " Please sign here. "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I can assure you that the look on my face was priceless,

>

> non-verbally it

>

> > > >

>

> > > > read " REALLY? YOU ARE GIVING ME A CITATION....REALLY?.....NO

>

> REALLY...A

>

> > > >

>

> > > > CITATION!!!! "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am just venting, and also putting the word out that obviously

>

> you can and

>

> > > >

>

> > > > will be pulled over and receive a citation in the City of Houston

>

> for

>

> > > >

>

> > > > speeding while transporting a patient to the hospital IN an

>

> ambulance if you

>

> > > >

>

> > > > are not following ALL traffic laws.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Questions:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 1. Has anyone else had this happen?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 2. If so, what did you do about it? Did you go to court and fight,

>

> or did

>

> > > >

>

> > > > you just take it as a lesson learned and pay the fine?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Mr. Marcus Finney

>

> > > >

>

> > > > mdfinney@...

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

The statute of real interest to me during this entire discussion is thr

applicability Section 81.102 of the Texas Government Code.

Wes, the Jew lawyer on the list

On the move from my iPhone

> Incidentally,......I have a question about the officer's conduct in this

matter.

>

> it's called " Interference with an Emergency Call " , a class A Misdemeanor

charge which caries up to a year in jail and a 4,000.00 fine.

> Why was this not brought to light? He pulled you over, and detained you, while

you were legitimately patient loaded, and continued to detain you once he was

informed that it was an emergency transport.

> OMG....I would hate to be that cop.

> Cougar!!

> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> To: texasems-l

> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:47 PM

>

>

>

> I'm glad you posted references from the Texas Transportation Code,

>

> Alyssa. It was nice to refresh my memory on some sections of it. Looking

>

> through it, however, I noticed something that I am curious if anyone

>

> else has noticed, or if there is another section to cover this.

>

> § 546.002 states that the permissible conduct as defined in §

>

> 546.001 only applies when " responding TO an emergency call " . Out of

>

> curiosity, where in the statues does it allow ambulances that are

>

> authorized emergency vehicles to exercise this " permissible conduct "

>

> when transporting a patient TO the receiving facility?? Surely this

>

> isn't something that was left out?? Just wondering!

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Ben Oakley, LP

>

>

>

> > > >

>

> > > > From: jimmnn@...

>

> > > > Subject: RE: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> > > > To: texasems-l

>

> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:12 PM

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 16 over running non-emergent I almost have to wonder why your even

>

> asking

>

> > > >

>

> > > > this question Marcus and what is your companies position on this

>

> obvious

>

> > > >

>

> > > > violation of the traffic laws?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Jim<

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am still dumbfounded over 24 hours after receiving a citation

>

> from Houston

>

> > > >

>

> > > > PD for speeding in an ambulance while transporting a patient to

>

> the Houston

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Medical Center yesterday. I was cited for 76 in a 60. A $245.00

>

> fine. The

>

> > > >

>

> > > > flow of traffic was pretty much traveling at the same speed, I was

>

> passing

>

> > > >

>

> > > > vehicles on the road and at the same time was was being passed by

>

> vehicles.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > This occurred about 1/2 mile from the speed limit changing from 65

>

> to 60

>

> > > >

>

> > > > miles an hour.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am a paramedic with over 16 years experience. 13 years of this

>

> in the

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Gulf Coast Area transporting numerous patients into the medical

>

> center. An

>

> > > >

>

> > > > EVOC instructor for over 6 years, so before you say it, YES I

>

> should have

>

> > > >

>

> > > > known better.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Here is my justification for my actions. The patient I was

>

> transporting had

>

> > > >

>

> > > > a femur fracture from a fall that occurred on 01/10/2011, but was

>

> not

>

> > > >

>

> > > > transported to our local ER for evaluation until 01/11/2011. This

>

> patient

>

> > > >

>

> > > > was then being transferred to a hospital in the Medical Center for

>

> further

>

> > > >

>

> > > > evaluation and treatment. The patient had a low H&H, and therefore

>

> was in

>

> > > >

>

> > > > need of blood products. The patient has a history of HTN and

>

> anxiety (more

>

> > > >

>

> > > > about that later). The patient started with a blood pressure

>

> around

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 100/60 with a heart rate in the 120's, obvious signs of

>

> compensating shock.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > We are transporting from a rural hospital about an hour from the

>

> medical

>

> > > >

>

> > > > center. The patient in my professional opinion meets the criteria

>

> for a

>

> > > >

>

> > > > priority emergency transport. Due to the increased risk of

>

> transporting a

>

> > > >

>

> > > > patient priority traffic and the patient's history of anxiety; I

>

> chose to

>

> > > >

>

> > > > transport the patient non-priority traffic. While on the highway

>

> to the

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Medical Center the traffic as stated earlier was moving very well

>

> and

>

> > > >

>

> > > > traffic was for the most part light in nature for about 15:30. I

>

> was

>

> > > >

>

> > > > traveling in the left hand lane of the road with a group of

>

> vehicles that

>

> > > >

>

> > > > were all traveling about the same speed. We had just passed 2

>

> other patrol

>

> > > >

>

> > > > cars that were sitting on the side of the road, but they chose to

>

> leave us

>

> > > >

>

> > > > alone. This officer chose me out of the group to pull over.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > He asked what is the reason for the excessive speed, and I advised

>

> him that

>

> > > >

>

> > > > we were transporting a patient to the medical center that is in

>

> need of

>

> > > >

>

> > > > blood products. He asked, " oh so you have a patient in the back? "

>

> and I

>

> > > >

>

> > > > advised him that we did. He responded " but they are not bad enough

>

> to need

>

> > > >

>

> > > > the lights and siren? " I advised him that I did not want to use

>

> the lights

>

> > > >

>

> > > > and sirens and before I could explain why, given the patient's

>

> anxiety, he

>

> > > >

>

> > > > asked for my license and proceeded to his patrol car. Upon

>

> returning he

>

> > > >

>

> > > > stated that being that there is no explanation for the speed, I

>

> was getting

>

> > > >

>

> > > > a citation. " Please sign here. "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I can assure you that the look on my face was priceless,

>

> non-verbally it

>

> > > >

>

> > > > read " REALLY? YOU ARE GIVING ME A CITATION....REALLY?.....NO

>

> REALLY...A

>

> > > >

>

> > > > CITATION!!!! "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am just venting, and also putting the word out that obviously

>

> you can and

>

> > > >

>

> > > > will be pulled over and receive a citation in the City of Houston

>

> for

>

> > > >

>

> > > > speeding while transporting a patient to the hospital IN an

>

> ambulance if you

>

> > > >

>

> > > > are not following ALL traffic laws.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Questions:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 1. Has anyone else had this happen?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 2. If so, what did you do about it? Did you go to court and fight,

>

> or did

>

> > > >

>

> > > > you just take it as a lesson learned and pay the fine?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Mr. Marcus Finney

>

> > > >

>

> > > > mdfinney@...

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

The statute of real interest to me during this entire discussion is thr

applicability Section 81.102 of the Texas Government Code.

Wes, the Jew lawyer on the list

On the move from my iPhone

> Incidentally,......I have a question about the officer's conduct in this

matter.

>

> it's called " Interference with an Emergency Call " , a class A Misdemeanor

charge which caries up to a year in jail and a 4,000.00 fine.

> Why was this not brought to light? He pulled you over, and detained you, while

you were legitimately patient loaded, and continued to detain you once he was

informed that it was an emergency transport.

> OMG....I would hate to be that cop.

> Cougar!!

> I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

>

>

>

> Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> To: texasems-l

> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:47 PM

>

>

>

> I'm glad you posted references from the Texas Transportation Code,

>

> Alyssa. It was nice to refresh my memory on some sections of it. Looking

>

> through it, however, I noticed something that I am curious if anyone

>

> else has noticed, or if there is another section to cover this.

>

> § 546.002 states that the permissible conduct as defined in §

>

> 546.001 only applies when " responding TO an emergency call " . Out of

>

> curiosity, where in the statues does it allow ambulances that are

>

> authorized emergency vehicles to exercise this " permissible conduct "

>

> when transporting a patient TO the receiving facility?? Surely this

>

> isn't something that was left out?? Just wondering!

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Ben Oakley, LP

>

>

>

> > > >

>

> > > > From: jimmnn@...

>

> > > > Subject: RE: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> > > > To: texasems-l

>

> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:12 PM

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 16 over running non-emergent I almost have to wonder why your even

>

> asking

>

> > > >

>

> > > > this question Marcus and what is your companies position on this

>

> obvious

>

> > > >

>

> > > > violation of the traffic laws?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Jim<

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am still dumbfounded over 24 hours after receiving a citation

>

> from Houston

>

> > > >

>

> > > > PD for speeding in an ambulance while transporting a patient to

>

> the Houston

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Medical Center yesterday. I was cited for 76 in a 60. A $245.00

>

> fine. The

>

> > > >

>

> > > > flow of traffic was pretty much traveling at the same speed, I was

>

> passing

>

> > > >

>

> > > > vehicles on the road and at the same time was was being passed by

>

> vehicles.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > This occurred about 1/2 mile from the speed limit changing from 65

>

> to 60

>

> > > >

>

> > > > miles an hour.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am a paramedic with over 16 years experience. 13 years of this

>

> in the

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Gulf Coast Area transporting numerous patients into the medical

>

> center. An

>

> > > >

>

> > > > EVOC instructor for over 6 years, so before you say it, YES I

>

> should have

>

> > > >

>

> > > > known better.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Here is my justification for my actions. The patient I was

>

> transporting had

>

> > > >

>

> > > > a femur fracture from a fall that occurred on 01/10/2011, but was

>

> not

>

> > > >

>

> > > > transported to our local ER for evaluation until 01/11/2011. This

>

> patient

>

> > > >

>

> > > > was then being transferred to a hospital in the Medical Center for

>

> further

>

> > > >

>

> > > > evaluation and treatment. The patient had a low H&H, and therefore

>

> was in

>

> > > >

>

> > > > need of blood products. The patient has a history of HTN and

>

> anxiety (more

>

> > > >

>

> > > > about that later). The patient started with a blood pressure

>

> around

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 100/60 with a heart rate in the 120's, obvious signs of

>

> compensating shock.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > We are transporting from a rural hospital about an hour from the

>

> medical

>

> > > >

>

> > > > center. The patient in my professional opinion meets the criteria

>

> for a

>

> > > >

>

> > > > priority emergency transport. Due to the increased risk of

>

> transporting a

>

> > > >

>

> > > > patient priority traffic and the patient's history of anxiety; I

>

> chose to

>

> > > >

>

> > > > transport the patient non-priority traffic. While on the highway

>

> to the

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Medical Center the traffic as stated earlier was moving very well

>

> and

>

> > > >

>

> > > > traffic was for the most part light in nature for about 15:30. I

>

> was

>

> > > >

>

> > > > traveling in the left hand lane of the road with a group of

>

> vehicles that

>

> > > >

>

> > > > were all traveling about the same speed. We had just passed 2

>

> other patrol

>

> > > >

>

> > > > cars that were sitting on the side of the road, but they chose to

>

> leave us

>

> > > >

>

> > > > alone. This officer chose me out of the group to pull over.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > He asked what is the reason for the excessive speed, and I advised

>

> him that

>

> > > >

>

> > > > we were transporting a patient to the medical center that is in

>

> need of

>

> > > >

>

> > > > blood products. He asked, " oh so you have a patient in the back? "

>

> and I

>

> > > >

>

> > > > advised him that we did. He responded " but they are not bad enough

>

> to need

>

> > > >

>

> > > > the lights and siren? " I advised him that I did not want to use

>

> the lights

>

> > > >

>

> > > > and sirens and before I could explain why, given the patient's

>

> anxiety, he

>

> > > >

>

> > > > asked for my license and proceeded to his patrol car. Upon

>

> returning he

>

> > > >

>

> > > > stated that being that there is no explanation for the speed, I

>

> was getting

>

> > > >

>

> > > > a citation. " Please sign here. "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I can assure you that the look on my face was priceless,

>

> non-verbally it

>

> > > >

>

> > > > read " REALLY? YOU ARE GIVING ME A CITATION....REALLY?.....NO

>

> REALLY...A

>

> > > >

>

> > > > CITATION!!!! "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am just venting, and also putting the word out that obviously

>

> you can and

>

> > > >

>

> > > > will be pulled over and receive a citation in the City of Houston

>

> for

>

> > > >

>

> > > > speeding while transporting a patient to the hospital IN an

>

> ambulance if you

>

> > > >

>

> > > > are not following ALL traffic laws.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Questions:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 1. Has anyone else had this happen?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 2. If so, what did you do about it? Did you go to court and fight,

>

> or did

>

> > > >

>

> > > > you just take it as a lesson learned and pay the fine?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Mr. Marcus Finney

>

> > > >

>

> > > > mdfinney@...

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I don't think you can make a lawyer honest by an act of legislature. You've got

to work on his conscience. And his lack of conscience is what makes him a

lawyer.

- Will

Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be

made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled o'er, should undo a man?

- Shakespeare

***These quotes are intended as friendly ribbing, and nothing to be taken

seriously.***

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

> The statute of real interest to me during this entire discussion is thr

applicability Section 81.102 of the Texas Government Code.

>

> Wes, the Jew lawyer on the list

>

> On the move from my iPhone

>

>

>

> > Incidentally,......I have a question about the officer's conduct in this

matter.

> >

> > it's called " Interference with an Emergency Call " , a class A Misdemeanor

charge which caries up to a year in jail and a 4,000.00 fine.

> > Why was this not brought to light? He pulled you over, and detained you,

while you were legitimately patient loaded, and continued to detain you once he

was informed that it was an emergency transport.

> > OMG....I would hate to be that cop.

> > Cougar!!

> > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> > You can keep the " CHANGE. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> > To: texasems-l

> > Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:47 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm glad you posted references from the Texas Transportation Code,

> >

> > Alyssa. It was nice to refresh my memory on some sections of it. Looking

> >

> > through it, however, I noticed something that I am curious if anyone

> >

> > else has noticed, or if there is another section to cover this.

> >

> > § 546.002 states that the permissible conduct as defined in §

> >

> > 546.001 only applies when " responding TO an emergency call " . Out of

> >

> > curiosity, where in the statues does it allow ambulances that are

> >

> > authorized emergency vehicles to exercise this " permissible conduct "

> >

> > when transporting a patient TO the receiving facility?? Surely this

> >

> > isn't something that was left out?? Just wondering!

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> > Ben Oakley, LP

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > From: jimmnn@...

> >

> > > > > Subject: RE: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> >

> > > > > To: texasems-l

> >

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:12 PM

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 16 over running non-emergent I almost have to wonder why your even

> >

> > asking

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > this question Marcus and what is your companies position on this

> >

> > obvious

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > violation of the traffic laws?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Jim<

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I am still dumbfounded over 24 hours after receiving a citation

> >

> > from Houston

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > PD for speeding in an ambulance while transporting a patient to

> >

> > the Houston

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Medical Center yesterday. I was cited for 76 in a 60. A $245.00

> >

> > fine. The

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > flow of traffic was pretty much traveling at the same speed, I was

> >

> > passing

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > vehicles on the road and at the same time was was being passed by

> >

> > vehicles.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > This occurred about 1/2 mile from the speed limit changing from 65

> >

> > to 60

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > miles an hour.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I am a paramedic with over 16 years experience. 13 years of this

> >

> > in the

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Gulf Coast Area transporting numerous patients into the medical

> >

> > center. An

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > EVOC instructor for over 6 years, so before you say it, YES I

> >

> > should have

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > known better.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Here is my justification for my actions. The patient I was

> >

> > transporting had

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > a femur fracture from a fall that occurred on 01/10/2011, but was

> >

> > not

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > transported to our local ER for evaluation until 01/11/2011. This

> >

> > patient

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > was then being transferred to a hospital in the Medical Center for

> >

> > further

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > evaluation and treatment. The patient had a low H&H, and therefore

> >

> > was in

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > need of blood products. The patient has a history of HTN and

> >

> > anxiety (more

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > about that later). The patient started with a blood pressure

> >

> > around

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 100/60 with a heart rate in the 120's, obvious signs of

> >

> > compensating shock.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > We are transporting from a rural hospital about an hour from the

> >

> > medical

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > center. The patient in my professional opinion meets the criteria

> >

> > for a

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > priority emergency transport. Due to the increased risk of

> >

> > transporting a

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > patient priority traffic and the patient's history of anxiety; I

> >

> > chose to

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > transport the patient non-priority traffic. While on the highway

> >

> > to the

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Medical Center the traffic as stated earlier was moving very well

> >

> > and

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > traffic was for the most part light in nature for about 15:30. I

> >

> > was

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > traveling in the left hand lane of the road with a group of

> >

> > vehicles that

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > were all traveling about the same speed. We had just passed 2

> >

> > other patrol

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > cars that were sitting on the side of the road, but they chose to

> >

> > leave us

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > alone. This officer chose me out of the group to pull over.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > He asked what is the reason for the excessive speed, and I advised

> >

> > him that

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > we were transporting a patient to the medical center that is in

> >

> > need of

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > blood products. He asked, " oh so you have a patient in the back? "

> >

> > and I

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > advised him that we did. He responded " but they are not bad enough

> >

> > to need

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > the lights and siren? " I advised him that I did not want to use

> >

> > the lights

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > and sirens and before I could explain why, given the patient's

> >

> > anxiety, he

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > asked for my license and proceeded to his patrol car. Upon

> >

> > returning he

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > stated that being that there is no explanation for the speed, I

> >

> > was getting

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > a citation. " Please sign here. "

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I can assure you that the look on my face was priceless,

> >

> > non-verbally it

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > read " REALLY? YOU ARE GIVING ME A CITATION....REALLY?.....NO

> >

> > REALLY...A

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > CITATION!!!! "

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I am just venting, and also putting the word out that obviously

> >

> > you can and

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > will be pulled over and receive a citation in the City of Houston

> >

> > for

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > speeding while transporting a patient to the hospital IN an

> >

> > ambulance if you

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > are not following ALL traffic laws.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Questions:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 1. Has anyone else had this happen?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 2. If so, what did you do about it? Did you go to court and fight,

> >

> > or did

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > you just take it as a lesson learned and pay the fine?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Mr. Marcus Finney

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > mdfinney@...

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

I don't think you can make a lawyer honest by an act of legislature. You've got

to work on his conscience. And his lack of conscience is what makes him a

lawyer.

- Will

Is not this a lamentable thing, that of the skin of an innocent lamb should be

made parchment? that parchment, being scribbled o'er, should undo a man?

- Shakespeare

***These quotes are intended as friendly ribbing, and nothing to be taken

seriously.***

Alyssa Woods, NREMT-B

CPR Instructor

> The statute of real interest to me during this entire discussion is thr

applicability Section 81.102 of the Texas Government Code.

>

> Wes, the Jew lawyer on the list

>

> On the move from my iPhone

>

>

>

> > Incidentally,......I have a question about the officer's conduct in this

matter.

> >

> > it's called " Interference with an Emergency Call " , a class A Misdemeanor

charge which caries up to a year in jail and a 4,000.00 fine.

> > Why was this not brought to light? He pulled you over, and detained you,

while you were legitimately patient loaded, and continued to detain you once he

was informed that it was an emergency transport.

> > OMG....I would hate to be that cop.

> > Cougar!!

> > I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

> > You can keep the " CHANGE. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> > To: texasems-l

> > Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:47 PM

> >

> >

> >

> > I'm glad you posted references from the Texas Transportation Code,

> >

> > Alyssa. It was nice to refresh my memory on some sections of it. Looking

> >

> > through it, however, I noticed something that I am curious if anyone

> >

> > else has noticed, or if there is another section to cover this.

> >

> > § 546.002 states that the permissible conduct as defined in §

> >

> > 546.001 only applies when " responding TO an emergency call " . Out of

> >

> > curiosity, where in the statues does it allow ambulances that are

> >

> > authorized emergency vehicles to exercise this " permissible conduct "

> >

> > when transporting a patient TO the receiving facility?? Surely this

> >

> > isn't something that was left out?? Just wondering!

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> > Ben Oakley, LP

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > From: jimmnn@...

> >

> > > > > Subject: RE: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> >

> > > > > To: texasems-l

> >

> > > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:12 PM

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 16 over running non-emergent I almost have to wonder why your even

> >

> > asking

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > this question Marcus and what is your companies position on this

> >

> > obvious

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > violation of the traffic laws?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Jim<

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I am still dumbfounded over 24 hours after receiving a citation

> >

> > from Houston

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > PD for speeding in an ambulance while transporting a patient to

> >

> > the Houston

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Medical Center yesterday. I was cited for 76 in a 60. A $245.00

> >

> > fine. The

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > flow of traffic was pretty much traveling at the same speed, I was

> >

> > passing

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > vehicles on the road and at the same time was was being passed by

> >

> > vehicles.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > This occurred about 1/2 mile from the speed limit changing from 65

> >

> > to 60

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > miles an hour.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I am a paramedic with over 16 years experience. 13 years of this

> >

> > in the

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Gulf Coast Area transporting numerous patients into the medical

> >

> > center. An

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > EVOC instructor for over 6 years, so before you say it, YES I

> >

> > should have

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > known better.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Here is my justification for my actions. The patient I was

> >

> > transporting had

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > a femur fracture from a fall that occurred on 01/10/2011, but was

> >

> > not

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > transported to our local ER for evaluation until 01/11/2011. This

> >

> > patient

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > was then being transferred to a hospital in the Medical Center for

> >

> > further

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > evaluation and treatment. The patient had a low H&H, and therefore

> >

> > was in

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > need of blood products. The patient has a history of HTN and

> >

> > anxiety (more

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > about that later). The patient started with a blood pressure

> >

> > around

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 100/60 with a heart rate in the 120's, obvious signs of

> >

> > compensating shock.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > We are transporting from a rural hospital about an hour from the

> >

> > medical

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > center. The patient in my professional opinion meets the criteria

> >

> > for a

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > priority emergency transport. Due to the increased risk of

> >

> > transporting a

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > patient priority traffic and the patient's history of anxiety; I

> >

> > chose to

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > transport the patient non-priority traffic. While on the highway

> >

> > to the

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Medical Center the traffic as stated earlier was moving very well

> >

> > and

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > traffic was for the most part light in nature for about 15:30. I

> >

> > was

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > traveling in the left hand lane of the road with a group of

> >

> > vehicles that

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > were all traveling about the same speed. We had just passed 2

> >

> > other patrol

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > cars that were sitting on the side of the road, but they chose to

> >

> > leave us

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > alone. This officer chose me out of the group to pull over.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > He asked what is the reason for the excessive speed, and I advised

> >

> > him that

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > we were transporting a patient to the medical center that is in

> >

> > need of

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > blood products. He asked, " oh so you have a patient in the back? "

> >

> > and I

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > advised him that we did. He responded " but they are not bad enough

> >

> > to need

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > the lights and siren? " I advised him that I did not want to use

> >

> > the lights

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > and sirens and before I could explain why, given the patient's

> >

> > anxiety, he

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > asked for my license and proceeded to his patrol car. Upon

> >

> > returning he

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > stated that being that there is no explanation for the speed, I

> >

> > was getting

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > a citation. " Please sign here. "

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I can assure you that the look on my face was priceless,

> >

> > non-verbally it

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > read " REALLY? YOU ARE GIVING ME A CITATION....REALLY?.....NO

> >

> > REALLY...A

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > CITATION!!!! "

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > I am just venting, and also putting the word out that obviously

> >

> > you can and

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > will be pulled over and receive a citation in the City of Houston

> >

> > for

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > speeding while transporting a patient to the hospital IN an

> >

> > ambulance if you

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > are not following ALL traffic laws.

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Questions:

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 1. Has anyone else had this happen?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > 2. If so, what did you do about it? Did you go to court and fight,

> >

> > or did

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > you just take it as a lesson learned and pay the fine?

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > Mr. Marcus Finney

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > mdfinney@...

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> >

> > > > >

> >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Oh.....I was just thinking out loud....nevermind that, I just got carried away a

bit.

Coug.

I'll keep my Guns, my Freedom and my MONEY,

You can keep the " CHANGE. "

>

>

> Subject: Re: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

> To: texasems-l

> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 1:47 PM

>

>

>

> I'm glad you posted references from the Texas Transportation Code,

>

> Alyssa. It was nice to refresh my memory on some sections of it. Looking

>

> through it, however, I noticed something that I am curious if anyone

>

> else has noticed, or if there is another section to cover this.

>

> § 546.002 states that the permissible conduct as defined in §

>

> 546.001 only applies when " responding TO an emergency call " . Out of

>

> curiosity, where in the statues does it allow ambulances that are

>

> authorized emergency vehicles to exercise this " permissible conduct "

>

> when transporting a patient TO the receiving facility?? Surely this

>

> isn't something that was left out?? Just wondering!

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Ben Oakley, LP

>

>

>

> > > >

>

> > > > From: jimmnn@...

>

> > > > Subject: RE: Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> > > > To: texasems-l

>

> > > > Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 10:12 PM

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 16 over running non-emergent I almost have to wonder why your even

>

> asking

>

> > > >

>

> > > > this question Marcus and what is your companies position on this

>

> obvious

>

> > > >

>

> > > > violation of the traffic laws?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Jim<

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Given a Speeding Ticket in an Ambulance

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am still dumbfounded over 24 hours after receiving a citation

>

> from Houston

>

> > > >

>

> > > > PD for speeding in an ambulance while transporting a patient to

>

> the Houston

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Medical Center yesterday. I was cited for 76 in a 60. A $245.00

>

> fine. The

>

> > > >

>

> > > > flow of traffic was pretty much traveling at the same speed, I was

>

> passing

>

> > > >

>

> > > > vehicles on the road and at the same time was was being passed by

>

> vehicles.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > This occurred about 1/2 mile from the speed limit changing from 65

>

> to 60

>

> > > >

>

> > > > miles an hour.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am a paramedic with over 16 years experience. 13 years of this

>

> in the

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Gulf Coast Area transporting numerous patients into the medical

>

> center. An

>

> > > >

>

> > > > EVOC instructor for over 6 years, so before you say it, YES I

>

> should have

>

> > > >

>

> > > > known better.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Here is my justification for my actions. The patient I was

>

> transporting had

>

> > > >

>

> > > > a femur fracture from a fall that occurred on 01/10/2011, but was

>

> not

>

> > > >

>

> > > > transported to our local ER for evaluation until 01/11/2011. This

>

> patient

>

> > > >

>

> > > > was then being transferred to a hospital in the Medical Center for

>

> further

>

> > > >

>

> > > > evaluation and treatment. The patient had a low H&H, and therefore

>

> was in

>

> > > >

>

> > > > need of blood products. The patient has a history of HTN and

>

> anxiety (more

>

> > > >

>

> > > > about that later). The patient started with a blood pressure

>

> around

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 100/60 with a heart rate in the 120's, obvious signs of

>

> compensating shock.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > We are transporting from a rural hospital about an hour from the

>

> medical

>

> > > >

>

> > > > center. The patient in my professional opinion meets the criteria

>

> for a

>

> > > >

>

> > > > priority emergency transport. Due to the increased risk of

>

> transporting a

>

> > > >

>

> > > > patient priority traffic and the patient's history of anxiety; I

>

> chose to

>

> > > >

>

> > > > transport the patient non-priority traffic. While on the highway

>

> to the

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Medical Center the traffic as stated earlier was moving very well

>

> and

>

> > > >

>

> > > > traffic was for the most part light in nature for about 15:30. I

>

> was

>

> > > >

>

> > > > traveling in the left hand lane of the road with a group of

>

> vehicles that

>

> > > >

>

> > > > were all traveling about the same speed. We had just passed 2

>

> other patrol

>

> > > >

>

> > > > cars that were sitting on the side of the road, but they chose to

>

> leave us

>

> > > >

>

> > > > alone. This officer chose me out of the group to pull over.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > He asked what is the reason for the excessive speed, and I advised

>

> him that

>

> > > >

>

> > > > we were transporting a patient to the medical center that is in

>

> need of

>

> > > >

>

> > > > blood products. He asked, " oh so you have a patient in the back? "

>

> and I

>

> > > >

>

> > > > advised him that we did. He responded " but they are not bad enough

>

> to need

>

> > > >

>

> > > > the lights and siren? " I advised him that I did not want to use

>

> the lights

>

> > > >

>

> > > > and sirens and before I could explain why, given the patient's

>

> anxiety, he

>

> > > >

>

> > > > asked for my license and proceeded to his patrol car. Upon

>

> returning he

>

> > > >

>

> > > > stated that being that there is no explanation for the speed, I

>

> was getting

>

> > > >

>

> > > > a citation. " Please sign here. "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I can assure you that the look on my face was priceless,

>

> non-verbally it

>

> > > >

>

> > > > read " REALLY? YOU ARE GIVING ME A CITATION....REALLY?.....NO

>

> REALLY...A

>

> > > >

>

> > > > CITATION!!!! "

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I am just venting, and also putting the word out that obviously

>

> you can and

>

> > > >

>

> > > > will be pulled over and receive a citation in the City of Houston

>

> for

>

> > > >

>

> > > > speeding while transporting a patient to the hospital IN an

>

> ambulance if you

>

> > > >

>

> > > > are not following ALL traffic laws.

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Questions:

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 1. Has anyone else had this happen?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > 2. If so, what did you do about it? Did you go to court and fight,

>

> or did

>

> > > >

>

> > > > you just take it as a lesson learned and pay the fine?

>

> > > >

>

> > > > Mr. Marcus Finney

>

> > > >

>

> > > > mdfinney@...

>

> > > >

>

> > > > ------------------------------------

>

> > > >

>

> > > >