Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Sorry to hear about your pain, Sunita. It's awful to have gone through this and not feel like you think it is supposed to. I have muscle pain, but none at the ROM limits. My ROM was always bad, even as a kid, and when I get to the limit now, it kind of stops but doesn't hurt. I get my pain when I raise the one leg, and I can isolate on the muscle with my finger exactly the hot spot where it hurts. You need to have DeSmet comment asap because I'm sure he will have a response. Des In a message dated 6/8/2004 11:48:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, sead1@... writes: am still struggling with pain in my BHR hip as some of you know and my head spins around all kinds of questions and I find myself almost obssessing with the thoughts of what could have gone wrong... One of my questions is about the ROM and pain at the edge: when you say that your ROM is limited in this way or that way (after resurf), do you mean that you cannot go beyond a certain point cause it just does not go there? or do you mean that when you get to that certain point there is pain and therefore you cannot go beyond? I am asking cause for me, the ROM in all directions is not bad but there are sharp pains when I get to the edge, even before " pushing it " . and I wonder if that is the norm or not?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Hi Sunita, If me and mine are anything to go by it is what is fairly normal if the joint has been seized up for any length of time preop.......... The hardest thing for me has been to bear the pain of what I call 'playing at the edges'............. It gets me 2 ways......... both because it is significantly painful and psychologically as I can panic myself without too much trouble that 'I may have hurt it'............ This pain has been one of the constants that have been with me since day 1......... and I have been one of the odd ones where I went from absolutely no pain in the hip before to extensive pain post op............. To regain ROM you have to stretch a collection of muscles, ligaments, tissues etc............when - and IF, with if being the operative word, you can do this, it ruptures the cells of these muscles etal............ like anything ruptured the body gets busy investigating/protesting etc..........which is then the pain...........one can get buritis as well which from what I understand is an over supply of white blood cells rushing there to see what happening and joining in........... so the muscles get tight as well......... But back to the operative word IF............for I can put any amount of pressure on my leg in an effort to force it to bend passed 85% and most of the time about all that gains me is stressed muscles in my back........i.e. the bits just don't have enough flexibility to go past that point under normal circumstances - it isn't really painful to push, rather it just doesn't go anywhere no matter how hard I push............ However, if the body has been busy and the bits are feeling stretchy it does move and yipee the bonus is a nice lump of hip pain........... and that pain is a nasty slicy quick pain as I am doing it and then a fair bit later........... This then hangs around and will pop up at times when I hit that point for a few days.........then it goes - which means that my body has built the structure to that point again............. I have a rest and then repeat the process.............. You can get a similiar pain if you bend your fingers back or in as a little test.....and sometimes it feels a bit like hitting the nerve in a tooth with cold...........which may suggest nerves are involved in the stretch too......... Sadly with muscles one has to go through this sort of process, then give them a rest for a day or so and do it again etc until one reaches another point............. I suspect this isn't quite as bad for the 40 yr olds either...........smile. I am sure age has a bit to do with how long the rebuilding process takes.........i.e. hours rather than days............. Oh and Sunita you need ROM to walk properly and I notice that as the body pushes to walk better it finds places where the ROM isn't the best and funny little tweaks of pain happen as it pushes into those places too........... I have found that that roll over one does to take the next step is one of those areas that apparently needs extensive ROM............. so sometimes it isn't a matter of something you do in a controlled manner like stretching but something that just happens as the body tries to adjust...........I used to get a real fright with those bits (again a slicy sharp pain a bit like tooth nerve pain) but now try to celebrate them as meaning that the body is automatically searching for and building more ROM.......... Hope this helps............. Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02 > I am still struggling with pain in my BHR hip as some of you know and my head spins around all kinds of questions and I find myself almost obssessing with the thoughts of what could have gone wrong... > One of my questions is about the ROM and pain at the edge: > when you say that your ROM is limited in this way or that way (after resurf), do you mean that you cannot go beyond a certain point cause it just does not go there? or do you mean that when you get to that certain point there is pain and therefore you cannot go beyond? > I am asking cause for me, the ROM in all directions is not bad but there are sharp pains when I get to the edge, even before " pushing it " . and I wonder if that is the norm or not?? > thanks > Sunita > RBHR De Smet Jan 6, 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 I understand that with dysplasa, ROM is often greater than normal. Not sure what's going on and while I'm sure your GP is just fine, there's nothing like going straight to the surgeon. Sounds like you're doing that. Good luck. In a message dated 6/8/2004 6:59:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, sead1@... writes: I have always had hyper flexible joints! so it is almost the opposite and maybe my muscles are not up to it anymore?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 That's dysplasia. In a message dated 6/8/2004 9:19:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, destuck@... writes: dysplasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 That's dysplasia. In a message dated 6/8/2004 9:19:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, destuck@... writes: dysplasa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 Hi Edith thanks that really helps! I had my blood test results and it came back OK meaning no sign of infection! whoopeeee! at least I can breathe that one out. My GP has ordered a bone scan to try to see if there is any possibility of AVN. But my physio thinks, there is a good chance that all this pain around the hip is related to " soft tissue " . That would be the best answer eventhough that does not resolve the pain and I don't know how long it will take to " heal " ! Anyway to night (this morning for you!) I am hopeful (that is the yoyo effect... who knows where I will be tomorrow or even in one hour!). thanks again Sunita Re: ROM and pain Hi Sunita, If me and mine are anything to go by it is what is fairly normal if the joint has been seized up for any length of time preop.......... The hardest thing for me has been to bear the pain of what I call 'playing at the edges'............. It gets me 2 ways......... both because it is significantly painful and psychologically as I can panic myself without too much trouble that 'I may have hurt it'............ This pain has been one of the constants that have been with me since day 1......... and I have been one of the odd ones where I went from absolutely no pain in the hip before to extensive pain post op............. To regain ROM you have to stretch a collection of muscles, ligaments, tissues etc............when - and IF, with if being the operative word, you can do this, it ruptures the cells of these muscles etal............ like anything ruptured the body gets busy investigating/protesting etc..........which is then the pain...........one can get buritis as well which from what I understand is an over supply of white blood cells rushing there to see what happening and joining in........... so the muscles get tight as well......... But back to the operative word IF............for I can put any amount of pressure on my leg in an effort to force it to bend passed 85% and most of the time about all that gains me is stressed muscles in my back........i.e. the bits just don't have enough flexibility to go past that point under normal circumstances - it isn't really painful to push, rather it just doesn't go anywhere no matter how hard I push............ However, if the body has been busy and the bits are feeling stretchy it does move and yipee the bonus is a nice lump of hip pain........... and that pain is a nasty slicy quick pain as I am doing it and then a fair bit later........... This then hangs around and will pop up at times when I hit that point for a few days.........then it goes - which means that my body has built the structure to that point again............. I have a rest and then repeat the process.............. You can get a similiar pain if you bend your fingers back or in as a little test.....and sometimes it feels a bit like hitting the nerve in a tooth with cold...........which may suggest nerves are involved in the stretch too......... Sadly with muscles one has to go through this sort of process, then give them a rest for a day or so and do it again etc until one reaches another point............. I suspect this isn't quite as bad for the 40 yr olds either...........smile. I am sure age has a bit to do with how long the rebuilding process takes.........i.e. hours rather than days............. Oh and Sunita you need ROM to walk properly and I notice that as the body pushes to walk better it finds places where the ROM isn't the best and funny little tweaks of pain happen as it pushes into those places too........... I have found that that roll over one does to take the next step is one of those areas that apparently needs extensive ROM............. so sometimes it isn't a matter of something you do in a controlled manner like stretching but something that just happens as the body tries to adjust...........I used to get a real fright with those bits (again a slicy sharp pain a bit like tooth nerve pain) but now try to celebrate them as meaning that the body is automatically searching for and building more ROM.......... Hope this helps............. Edith LBHR Dr. L Walter Syd Aust 8/02 > I am still struggling with pain in my BHR hip as some of you know and my head spins around all kinds of questions and I find myself almost obssessing with the thoughts of what could have gone wrong... > One of my questions is about the ROM and pain at the edge: > when you say that your ROM is limited in this way or that way (after resurf), do you mean that you cannot go beyond a certain point cause it just does not go there? or do you mean that when you get to that certain point there is pain and therefore you cannot go beyond? > I am asking cause for me, the ROM in all directions is not bad but there are sharp pains when I get to the edge, even before " pushing it " . and I wonder if that is the norm or not?? > thanks > Sunita > RBHR De Smet Jan 6, 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 thanks Des. I have always had hyper flexible joints! so it is almost the opposite and maybe my muscles are not up to it anymore?? and yes I will email De Smet, I am waiting to have some more info on what is happening here with my GP. Sunita Re: ROM and pain Sorry to hear about your pain, Sunita. It's awful to have gone through this and not feel like you think it is supposed to. I have muscle pain, but none at the ROM limits. My ROM was always bad, even as a kid, and when I get to the limit now, it kind of stops but doesn't hurt. I get my pain when I raise the one leg, and I can isolate on the muscle with my finger exactly the hot spot where it hurts. You need to have DeSmet comment asap because I'm sure he will have a response. Des In a message dated 6/8/2004 11:48:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, sead1@... writes: am still struggling with pain in my BHR hip as some of you know and my head spins around all kinds of questions and I find myself almost obssessing with the thoughts of what could have gone wrong... One of my questions is about the ROM and pain at the edge: when you say that your ROM is limited in this way or that way (after resurf), do you mean that you cannot go beyond a certain point cause it just does not go there? or do you mean that when you get to that certain point there is pain and therefore you cannot go beyond? I am asking cause for me, the ROM in all directions is not bad but there are sharp pains when I get to the edge, even before " pushing it " . and I wonder if that is the norm or not?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 That's GREAT news Sunita - no infection! YIPPEEE!!! Keep us posted, and keep your thoughts postiive toward the healing! In surfacehippy , " Sunita Romeder " wrote: > Hi Edith > thanks that really helps! > I had my blood test results and it came back OK meaning no sign of infection! whoopeeee! at least I can breathe that one out. > My GP has ordered a bone scan to try to see if there is any possibility of AVN. But my physio thinks, there is a good chance that all this pain around the hip is related to " soft tissue " . That would be the best answer eventhough that does not resolve the pain and I don't know how long it will take to " heal " ! > Anyway to night (this morning for you!) I am hopeful (that is the yoyo effect... who knows where I will be tomorrow or even in one hour!). > thanks again > Sunita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2004 Report Share Posted June 8, 2004 That's GREAT news Sunita - no infection! YIPPEEE!!! Keep us posted, and keep your thoughts postiive toward the healing! In surfacehippy , " Sunita Romeder " wrote: > Hi Edith > thanks that really helps! > I had my blood test results and it came back OK meaning no sign of infection! whoopeeee! at least I can breathe that one out. > My GP has ordered a bone scan to try to see if there is any possibility of AVN. But my physio thinks, there is a good chance that all this pain around the hip is related to " soft tissue " . That would be the best answer eventhough that does not resolve the pain and I don't know how long it will take to " heal " ! > Anyway to night (this morning for you!) I am hopeful (that is the yoyo effect... who knows where I will be tomorrow or even in one hour!). > thanks again > Sunita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Hi Sunita I'm so glad to hear that you don't have an infection. Hopefully the bone scan will be negative, too. I have a weird question for you: have you tried just lying around on the sofa for a couple of days a week? I recently had a bad virus and had to laze around for 10 days, didn't do any exercise at all, other than walking around the house a bit. Well, my back got sore after a few days, but my legs and hips didn't hurt much. And of course, my leg muscles all got soft. When I tried to take a long walk once I thought I was recovered, my legs could do it, but my stamina was no so good at first. However, interestingly enough, when I did go back to my mild fitness classes, I noticed I was more flexible, and when I visited my physiotherapist, he said my ROM had really improved. Whether letting the muscles rest and soften up a bit (and then reusing them with my new hip joint) maybe helped my brain relax some of the restrictions it had held for four years, I don't know. But I have heard from some of the other older women hippies that they recovered faster (even though they were out of shape) than some of the more athletic types like yourself. Is it possible your muscles might be too tight? I know you had to rest a lot at first, but now you are trying to do more. I wonder if a massage therapist or an osteopath might be able to help. I had some muscle pain relief from osteopathic treatment before my operation. Regarding your ROM question, when I pull my leg to a certain point, it just won't move any further. But it doesn't hurt. And after stretching for months, the ROM is gradually improving. Whether it would have improved anyway just with walking and leading a normal life, and without the physiotherapy, I don't know. But it feels better to be trying to do something, doesn't it? Hang in there! Your progress is bound to be slower because you do have problems with your other hip, even if the surgeon doesn't think it's bad enough to operate on yet. All the best, n rBHR McMinn Oct.17/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2004 Report Share Posted June 9, 2004 Hey Sunita.....glad you're checking out those symptoms....I've another suggestion for whatever it's worth...have you tried a modified version of water aerobics? I'm pre-surgery and have been going and I do like the way it loosens up my hips just ever so subtly....no impact...I think that massage idea is a good one too. It might be worth a try to rest it, too. My heart goes out to you Sunita...best of luck. S in M > Hi Sunita > I'm so glad to hear that you don't have an infection. Hopefully > the bone scan will be negative, too. > I have a weird question for you: have you tried just lying around > on the sofa for a couple of days a week? I recently had a bad virus > and had to laze around for 10 days, didn't do any exercise at all, > other than walking around the house a bit. Well, my back got sore > after a few days, but my legs and hips didn't hurt much. And of > course, my leg muscles all got soft. When I tried to take a long walk > once I thought I was recovered, my legs could do it, but my stamina > was no so good at first. > However, interestingly enough, when I did go back to my mild fitness > classes, I noticed I was more flexible, and when I visited my > physiotherapist, he said my ROM had really improved. Whether letting > the muscles rest and soften up a bit (and then reusing them with my > new hip joint) maybe helped my brain relax some of the restrictions it > had held for four years, I don't know. But I have heard from some of > the other older women hippies that they recovered faster (even though > they were out of shape) than some of the more athletic types like > yourself. Is it possible your muscles might be too tight? I know you > had to rest a lot at first, but now you are trying to do more. I > wonder if a massage therapist or an osteopath might be able to help. I > had some muscle pain relief from osteopathic treatment before my > operation. > Regarding your ROM question, when I pull my leg to a certain > point, it just won't move any further. But it doesn't hurt. And after > stretching for months, the ROM is gradually improving. Whether it > would have improved anyway just with walking and leading a normal > life, and without the physiotherapy, I don't know. But it feels better > to be trying to do something, doesn't it? > Hang in there! Your progress is bound to be slower because you do > have problems with your other hip, even if the surgeon doesn't think > it's bad enough to operate on yet. > All the best, > n > rBHR McMinn Oct.17/03 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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